Quote from: Jowayria on December 13, 2012, 09:43:21 AMOne last thing , if Michael is to BAM in December , why did he say " see you in July" ? :animal0017:
That was about the Memorial in July... He was hinting to that... Also to the fact that he most probably attended his own "memorial" in disguise :icon_lol:
Quote from: Jowayria on December 13, 2012, 09:43:21 AM[...]But when you said that God plays a role in the hoax , what did you really mean ? [...]Obviously , Michael's message has and has always had some religious dimensions which can't be denied , but to say that God Himself is a part of the hoax ... well this is beyond me , so can anyone please explain that to me ? [...]
I think GOD is part of everyone's lives! whether you believe in Him or not.
For two men like Elvis and Michael who have such strong faith in God, very spiritual men, it is most natural that they had taken into consideration the signs that God left them.... including all the numerology indicators in their lives.
Quote from: Jowayria There's no doubt that Elvis and Michael ARE religious , but this doesn't necessarily mean that God Himself is a "part" of the hoax .
I think that it's PRECISELY because of that! :icon_e_wink:
Quote from: Jowayria We are all given signs by god in a particular time of our lives , but most of us just choose to ignore the signs , Michael didn't and that's exactly why I think he was chosen
I think he was chosen and given signs. And because he was God gifted he was able to SEE those signs and also transfer them into his ART through his god given talent! [Michael often said he felt he was an 'instrument of nature"- by "nature" here I understand natural (God) given talent! and the instrument was HIMSELF: his voice, his dance, his musical genius]
That's why I said he started to plan the numerological clues going from that number 7 for example! he didn't plan to be born the 7th child, did he? it was God! And from then on everything he did , he did starting from already God given paths like that ^^
Quote from: Jowayria I think that it was Michael's spirituality that pushed him to take these " divine coincidences" into consideration .
Well that's exactly what I am saying, too ! :icon_e_wink:
I don't think Elvis & Michael could have succeed in faking their deaths without God's help!
Because for example, look at those dates in the montages I posted above ^^:
- How could have Michael planned his birthday to add up to number 42 [777 777] - that turned out to be so important in Elvis' life/hoax? - August 29th, 1958 ---> 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42 [and this is only ONE example, the rest is on those montages]
- How could all the significant dates in both Elvis and Michael's lives FIT so perfectly into the Hoax-numerology? I mean no matter how good a mathematician your are and no matter how good a hoax-planner you are in terms of Numerology, the PERFECTION of these numbers fitting so well with the plans of the 2 kings is absolutely MIND BLOGGING! I mean God's help in all this is evident, at least to me. I mean the NUMBERS speak volumes!
Quote from: Jowayria But can numerology stand as a strong proof that God has a role in the hoax ?
I say ABSOLUTELY yes!
And then numerology does NOT apply only to the hoax. Think about this world and how God conceived it, think about the Bible and all the numerations of the chapters and verses. Think about how often number 7 occurs in the Bible. Everything evolves around numbers!
"The world is built upon the power of numbers" - Pythagoras
ELVIS: "People who put down God, don't realize there is an order in the universe: the seasons, the movements of the planets, the harmony of words and numbers. We have no order unless it is by design. -He smiled- And no design without a designer."
I mean clearly the hoax is part-PLANNED, based on INTENTIONAL numbers and events are meant to happen at a specific time! Why? maybe because:
1. doing everything by the numbers, namely doing calculated things, one can hardly make mistakes! carefully planned, calculated actions = the way to PERFECTION! I think we all know "someone" very dear to all of us, who has always been a PERFECTION seeker!
2. the belief that doing everything by the numbers, and not just any numbers, but the DIVINE ones, ensures the success of the plan
3. doing everything by the numbers represents the perfect proof that nothing was accidental, that there was a plan with a purpose and not just a capricious game
4. doing everything by the numbers made the perfect connection to Elvis' hoax!
and I could go on and on like this....
*** But I also think these intentional numbers ^^ were NOT just randomly chosen to plan the hoax, but these numbers were intentionally chosen to fit the DIVINE numbers already planned by God.
Why would Michael chose no. 7 and not no. 2 , for example?
Well here is a possible explanation... watch the following 2 videos :
About number 7 ---> Starting with minute 02:00
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Jowayria : from your comments above, I see that you have your mind set and that's ok. You're free to your own opinion. And I thank you for sharing it. But you asked me/us a question about why we think God has a role in the hoax and I did my best to try and answer it for you. God has a role in everything! IMO!
Nevertheless, I very much doubt that I am able to fully explain to you why some of us think/believe/feel that both Elvis and Michael are chosen/sent by God, and therefore their lives, careers and eventually death hoaxes, very much INCLUDED God and God's will!
I 100% believe that they are both divine missionaries here on Earth. And they are also very AWARE of that! And I don't care if that sounds stupid/hilarious or crazy to anyone. It's just my FIRM belief and I'm not trying to convince anyone of it. But if people ask WHY and say "it's beyond them " to understand that , then I try to explain my belief to them.
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Then... Regarding ELVIS
QuoteElvis strongly believed in numerology, the science of numbers. He recognized the unity of the universe, mapped in an interlacing pattern of Light, Form, Space and Dimension. The transformative power of this pattern is to be found in the vibration of numbers - a revelation of the life force within our Earth and our life potential. [...] http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/numbers_stars.htm
For instance, Elvis had sleepless nights thinking and breaking his brains , trying to explain to himself why certain numbers keep showing up in his life at important moments! he would wake up his wife, Priscilla in the middle of the night asking her "WHY? WHY? Why was I chosen? Why did God make me so talented and famous/ Why me? WHY was I the one who survived and not my twin brother!??" His friend and spiritual adviser Uri Geller told that Elvis was SO preoccupied with these existential problems, always seeking answers to this trying to make sense of his life and the purpose that God's wants him to fulfill! several of his close friends said that Elvis had healing powers and his own dentist stated [there's a video on youtube] that Elvis didn't need anesthesia because he could enter into a trance state where he didn't feel the surgery that his dentist performed on him.
QuoteElvis describes to Wanda Hill the most touching thing that happened to him in 1975:
"I-I-guess, when this little girl who is deaf, totally deaf, wrote to me a note and handed it to me at a concert and said she could hear me sing - my voice - and would I please speak to her. I leaned down - had to lay on the stage to reach her - and I said, 'I love you, you're beautiful,' into her ear. She shook all over and grabbed me. There was such a power surge, I mean, between us - like-like voltages of electricity, and there was like a bright Light around us. Charlie saw it, James and the rest too, and my whole body was jolted. And she looked into my eyes and said, 'I heard you!' then she kinda fell and the guards took her to her seat. Later at the hotel, her folks sent a letter up to me sayin' that she told them what I said. She couldn't have read my lips, she didn't see them. And they said in the letter she knew all the words to my records and claimed from childhood to be able to hear me! But she was totally deaf! I have to say that touched me in a unique way, more than anything that's happened since. But I understand it." - http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/mystical.html
QuoteJoe Esposito, who was a friend and employee of Elvis' through the '60's and '70's, reveals in his book, 'Good Rockin' Tonight', an incident in which it would appear that Elvis' healing touch was nothing short of miraculous. Sylvia, one of The Sweet Inspirations back-up singers had been diagnosed with cancer. Elvis came to her dressing room, put his hands on her stomach and began to pray. The next day, when Sylvia went the hospital further tests concluded that there was no sign of cancer in her body.
QuoteThe Healer - http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/mystical.html
From a news clipping:
"He (Elvis) firmly believed he had the powers of psychic healing by the laying on of hands. He believed he would be reincarnated. He believed he had the strength of will to move clouds in the air, and he was also convinced that there are beings on other planets. He firmly believed he was a prophet who was destined to lead, designated by God for a special role in Life."
Through Elvis' unconditional love of all peoples, he opened wide the door of his heart to the emotionally troubled and physically afflicted. As a result, those who had been given more than their share of rejection from others, flocked to his performances and often waited for him patiently outside his home. Even today, 20 years after his passing, many wheelchairs can be seen at the annual candlelight service at Graceland. He did not respond to these special ones with pity, nor did he interact with them through condescension. I have seen him enfold people in his arms who were in obvious emotional need; some physically marred, others only broken inside. Many were women who were quite homely. His communion with them was natural, and not self-conscious. He did not reach down to them, but across to them. As in the song he sang, "like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down."[...]
He was reading the Bible and it has been well documented that throughout his life Elvis read over a thousand different books, encompassing a wide range of subjects related to philosophy, spiritual teachings and esoteric arts.
Quote"My father's library of spiritual books is amazing. I've gone through these books. They're covered with his notes. He wrote on the top of the page, on the bottom of the page, in the margins - everywhere. You can hear him thinking when you read those notes" ~Lisa-Mary Presley
Quote"Elvis believed that our 'Light' (soul) came from the light of God, but that Light (once spiritual) was now confined in the physical body - that same spiritual Light representing the sum total of knowledge. Realizing this and practicing this may explain why Elvis seemed to 'Glow', and why so many millions were and are attracted to this special man, how they automatically love him." - Gail Brewer-Giorgio
QuoteElvis' friend Larry Geller: - "From the moment we first met, I knew Elvis had a spiritual quality. I had never seen so much power in one person. The effect he had on people was tremendous. He could silence an entire room full of people just by walking in. It wasn't just his fame that caused that - it was his aura of power."
QuoteThe Birthmark - http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/birthmark.htm
The following passage is from Wanda June Hill:
"That cold January morning the woman's first son came into the world lifeless, but as the man wept their loss the mid-wife cried out, 'There's another baby to come out here!' Some minutes later the man went outside, raised his eyes to Heaven and thanked God for giving them one live child. As he turned back to the house, he saw streaming down from the sky a glowing blue light bathing the humble home where lay his wife and new born son. And the man said twenty-five years later, I knew Elvis had to be a special baby, he had the light of Heaven on him from birth. So said Vernon Presley of his famous son's entrance into the world. That 'special' baby grew to be a unique and special man whose talent ranged far from mere entertainer to that of one who was gifted, beloved of millions and one never to be forgotten.
"I knew Elvis for fifteen years. He had a quality one could only call magical and of a special nature. I believed him when he said, I'm not from here, I came from up there, from the Blue Star. One day you'll know that's true."
Several sources have told about the blue light which shone down upon the humble Tupelo shack the night of Elvis's birth, lighting his father's way to the well. It has further been stated that all the medicine bottles inside the house rattled violently on the shelves, several of them actually shattering. While the outside of the building was bathed in blue, the inner rooms were lit with a violet light. One can only imagine what must have gone through the minds and hearts of those who witnessed this event, keeping it largely a secret for the duration of Elvis's lifetime.
Such phenomena certainly fit the pattern of 'sacred births' throughout the ages. Those who are born to serve the masses in a unique way, beyond the normal role of leadership, have had situations of conception and birth that were far from normal in their circumstances. I do not imply here that Elvis was a 'god', but I do see his birth, life and death as paralleling other human beings who were destined as spiritual leaders in various degrees of brilliance. It would seem that select human souls are chosen in major cycles of planetary development, to enter into roles beyond their personal humanity. These souls are bestowed with a special grace. They are knighted to do battle with the dragons of our corruption, and emerge as symbols of the greatest good which we can and must strive to release from within ourselves. [...]
Quotehttp://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/archetype.html
[...]Photographer Sean Shaver in his book, 'Elvis In Focus' comments on Elvis' face thusly:
"His skin glowed, and his eyes had a shine to them that I had never seen before or since in any person's eyes. I was never able to get a photograph of him that did him justice. I have never had anyone who ever saw him in person tell me they thought the real Elvis had been caught on film.....Here was perfection in the male face. Adding to his looks was the fact that he never took himself seriously. He joked about how he looked....He was like something out of a dream....When Elvis entered the room everybody turned to see him, even those facing away from where he made his entrance somehow knew he was there. Without seeing him you knew he was near, you felt his presence. "It was not because he was Elvis the singer but because of some invisible power he had. It went far beyond being charismatic. It was a power. It was magnetic. If others had not made the same comment I could not say it, I would not want to sound like something was wrong with me."[..]
ELVIS: "If even one person can be led to God because of me, it will be worth it."
ELVIS: "[...] There's more to me than that guy up there on the stage: You know, Elvis the image. What my fans and everyone else need to know is that I'm a spiritual person. If they don't know that, they'll never really know who I am, and what makes me tick."
ELVIS: "I like to think of myself as a bridge on which people can travel and leave their troubles behind"
