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MJonmind

Just a thought, you know how MJ's face seemed to literally change so much, even the same year?  Well, from Botox, Wiki:
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The results of cosmetic procedures vary, but can last up to eight months.
If AK was giving him Botox treatment, it would alter his face slightly but eventually change back.

But the daily trips MJ was taking to his clinic, in the months before his 'death', have to be hoax related.  If AK is in on the hoax, only then could MJ be using those daily visits lasting several hours, for other purposes. Some options are him having hoax related medical consultation times, or going out the back door incognito to do other things.  Of course MJ wanted the public to totally be convinced he was a drug addict, reportedly going in to the office fine and coming out groggy from the Demerol shots.

Just a refresher on AK and hoax info. Please add to this if you remember other things:
MJ was saying good-bye to everyone at the office (but maybe because of the London trip).
AK wants his green jacket back that MJ borrowed (and used in the mirrors pic that led people to think doubles).
MJ peed into cups in his office, and that's how Gavin Arvizo identified the markings, so MJ was innocent.
MJ had gay relationship with Jason Pfeiffer, later denied.
AK's house had a fire in the kitchen, "Let it all burn".
AK is/is not the father of Prince and Paris.
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The parallels in these stories is not lost on me.....
being sold out by ex-employees
lurid details about Arnie's /MJ's private lives
media slander and mockery
shared love of art....both collectors of art
frivolous law suits designed to drain bank accounts
for-closure on houses / neverland
ripped off by accountants /lawyers
and I'm sure there are many more

I can't help thinking that Arnie is trying to tell us that the same thing that happened to Michael is now happening to him. The difference being that MJ has a world of fans and soldiers of LOVE who are active in doing their part to defend and vindicate Him......but Arnie seems almost abandoned to his fate to me.  I feel sorry for him.   


Yes, I sort of feel the same.  There are many parallels and like Mjonmind said in the recent TMZ thread, if Arnie is a whistle-blower about certain Botox "recipes", like MJ was about the music industry, then his career/reputation/financial situation would be in danger. 

He has to know about the hoax.  Like voiceforthesilent said, he has linked to this forum before recently, I think it was a couple years ago or so.  Since MJ "died", he seems to be doing everything he can to have MJ's fans turn against him with all the utterly ridiculous claims he's made, that MJonmind listed above.  So was he doing this for attention or because MJ gave him the go ahead to make up these stories to get people talking and speculating, something Michael has dealt with his entire life so it's nothing "new" to him.  The more contradicting stories out there about him, the better.  Because people just don't know the truth or what to expect next.  Certainly some people would hear these stories and not think they're true and it may lead them to question what else isn't true about Michael.  And if Arnie is helping Michael somehow, then it's not obvious because of the things Arnie has said.  Same with TMZ, many of their stories about Michael and the Jacksons have been ridiculous as well - most wouldn't expect them to be actually be working with Michael.
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@MJonmind...... :th_bravo:

Things like you listed really seem to make much more sense......
thank you!

Blessings!
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Just a thought, you know how MJ's face seemed to literally change so much, even the same year?  Well, from Botox, Wiki:
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The results of cosmetic procedures vary, but can last up to eight months.
If AK was giving him Botox treatment, it would alter his face slightly but eventually change back


I think ur spot on. Remember the 30th anniversary era? His face changed a lot then and then changed back.


Just want to say and this is completely only my IMHO and I understand each to their own, but I really hate it when I hear Klein judged harshly by believers and fans. I honestly think he's in.

One member on our forum said something like 'I can't help but not trust him and think his bad look at his disgusting evil face'

(Klein always has photos of the worst angry and unflattering looking facial expressions posted on media when ppl are quoting him. To the ignorant and shallow mind they may translate as He is a baddy, which means you played right into tabloids hands)

When I read the comment I thought 'wow how ignorant' how many times were unflattering photos of MJ posted in articles. How many times was he misquoted or flat out judged? And what now, the very fans who hate that being done to Michael jackson do it to Klein with no proof at all he is a bad guy??

We need to remember we learn the lesson on all this. Time will tell truth. Til then let's not make assumptions


IMHO I think he's in and was a definite resource to MJ re: establishing drug addict persona, Alibi or at least questions around all the appointments, Plastic surgery, disguise / Botox assistance and the like and perhaps even in more ways like plastic surgery assistance to doubles??
Last Edit: January 29, 2013, 09:49:12 AM by Australian MJ BeLIEver
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People laugh when I explain. And though they may laugh, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the truth.


Michael is Alive
The end of evil is nigh
Trust in God
The righteous will prevail

I keep remembering it being said that Michael visited Klein’s office regularly and stayed for hours on end.  This is where I’ve felt Klein came in, in that this created food for the rumor mill that he was doping.  But no one can prove what he was doing once he disappeared behind those doors.  I’ve always felt that he entered in one way and exited another in order to get some “me time” and Klein obliged him that freedom.  On the occasions he was “allegedly” seen exiting in a perceived drugged condition, well, that’s only a matter of opinion and possibly as planned to feed fuel to the fire.  There’s so much speculation about Michael & drugs & health issues that it would tickle me pink to know with certainty that he pranked the media on purpose and will leave them looking like fools once the reveal comes.
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"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Quote from hesouttamylife:

I keep remembering it being said that Michael visited Klein’s office regularly and stayed for hours on end.

And we have several photos and video on this forum that proves this point. 

I have the same feeling about the rest of your post.
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Enter the help of Ben Evenstad..."...his daily visits to the dermatologist" 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNOuxcIBj8s[/youtube]


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I keep remembering it being said that Michael visited Klein’s office regularly and stayed for hours on end.  This is where I’ve felt Klein came in, in that this created food for the rumor mill that he was doping.  But no one can prove what he was doing once he disappeared behind those doors.  I’ve always felt that he entered in one way and exited another in order to get some “me time” and Klein obliged him that freedom.  On the occasions he was “allegedly” seen exiting in a perceived drugged condition, well, that’s only a matter of opinion and possibly as planned to feed fuel to the fire.  There’s so much speculation about Michael & drugs & health issues that it would tickle me pink to know with certainty that he pranked the media on purpose and will leave them looking like fools once the reveal comes.

If Michael was fooling the media to make them think he was a drug addict the problem will be when Michael will comeback and explain that he was just kidding and he really is not a drug addict, will media believe him? or what is worse: will his fans believe he is not a real drug addict? I think when you play with fire you can get burned and this is being a dangerous game if it's so.

@Faithat777.... if you wanna quote someone you just have to click the "quote button" of the post you wanna quote and it will display the post automatically.
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I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!



@Faithat777.... if you wanna quote someone you just have to click the "quote button" of the post you wanna quote and it will display the post automatically.
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Thanks sweet, I did now. How would I quote only a part of someone's post, not all of it?
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@Faithat777.... if you wanna quote someone you just have to click the "quote button" of the post you wanna quote and it will display the post automatically.

Thanks sweet, I did now. How would I quote only a part of someone's post, not all of it?

You didn't quote my post correctly, if you wanna quote a portion of the post you just have to delete what you don't wanna quote.
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I keep remembering it being said that Michael visited Klein’s office regularly and stayed for hours on end.  This is where I’ve felt Klein came in, in that this created food for the rumor mill that he was doping.  But no one can prove what he was doing once he disappeared behind those doors.  I’ve always felt that he entered in one way and exited another in order to get some “me time” and Klein obliged him that freedom.  On the occasions he was “allegedly” seen exiting in a perceived drugged condition, well, that’s only a matter of opinion and possibly as planned to feed fuel to the fire.  There’s so much speculation about Michael & drugs & health issues that it would tickle me pink to know with certainty that he pranked the media on purpose and will leave them looking like fools once the reveal comes.

If Michael was fooling the media to make them think he was a drug addict the problem will be when Michael will comeback and explain that he was just kidding and he really is not a drug addict, will media believe him? or what is worse: will his fans believe he is not a real drug addict? I think when you play with fire you can get burned and this is being a dangerous game if it's so.

@Faithat777.... if you wanna quote someone you just have to click the "quote button" of the post you wanna quote and it will display the post automatically.

I don’t think he created the rumor or was trying to make the public think he was an addict, but since it had been put out there by the media he knew well that they were going to run with the story anyway.  So I just feel that he simply did very little to try to convince them otherwise, knowing any attempt would be futile and the people who had faith in him would know better.  That’s why I called it a rumor mill because that’s all it ever was.  No one has proven any differently.  I never believed Michael was an addict, so no matter what the media spewed, I held to my convictions that there was a method to the madness and one day it will be revealed. Does that make any sense?
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"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Hi sweet, sorry about this.  I guess this is not the right thread for these types of questions.  I will ask in the "Questions" thread. Thanks for your help.
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@Faithat777.... if you wanna quote someone you just have to click the "quote button" of the post you wanna quote and it will display the post automatically.

Thanks sweet, I did now. How would I quote only a part of someone's post, not all of it?

You didn't quote my post correctly, if you wanna quote a portion of the post you just have to delete what you don't wanna quote.

Thanks Sweet even though your reply is to faith.  I often wondered how people quoted only certain portions of a post.  Now I know.  Cheers!  :beerchug:
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"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Yeah, me too.....I just never saw him as a drug addict.  I think the media will run with anything...especially a negative. 
It seems a big name celebrity is an easy target to paint as a drug addict.  So I think the media's painting of Michael
as a druggie, is their own fault.  If they (the media) were to get mad at anyone, they have to get mad at themselves......
same goes for fans.  I don't think Michael set out on purpose to say he's an addict.  I think he gave just enough illusion
to set imaginations on fire....not his fault at all if people always assume the worst. 
Well...just my random thoughts anyways.......

Blessings always
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I believe that there is a war between Harvey Levin and Arnold Klein, both are making allegations mutually, and other people who are defending Arnold.



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Michael Jackson's now-bankrupt former dermatologist Dr. Arnie Klein -- who fueled the singer with mass quantities of dangerous drugs -- has now been named in another sprawling drug controversy ... this time involving potentially dangerous Botox imported from foreign countries.

The FDA has issued a notification to more than 350 medical practices across the U.S. -- claiming they may have received unapproved meds, including Botox, from a foreign supplier -- and one of the docs on the giant list is none other than Arnie.

The suppliers in question are owned and operated by a company called Canada Drugs, though it's unclear where the drugs are manufactured.

According to the FDA, "These medications may be counterfeit, contaminated, improperly stored and transported, ineffective, and/or unsafe."

The notice continues, "Medical practices that purchase and administer illegal and unapproved medications from foreign sources are placing patients at risk."

But then again, Danger is Arnie's middle name ...

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Harvey Levin and Roy Cohn
Posted on January 29, 2013 by AWKMD

By Linda (who knows Harvey too well)

Arnie saved my face. When I met him I could not go out in public. He reversed and fixed
something no one else in the world could. As far as I am concerned Arnie walks on
Water.Arnie is a doctor, a genius and is gay.

Harvey Levin is a gay lawyer. To him life is all about the mighty buck.Conrad Murray who killed Michael Jackson tried to use Arnie as a scapegoat, to distract the jury’s attention from his own culpability. This time, fortunately, that strategy didn’t work. But a pattern was set into motion…inferences about Dr. Klein. Little did these idiots know that Arnie was in Paris During May of 2009 when they attributed all the Demerol Shots to Klein at the Murray trial. It was actually Doctors Rich and Raidar in Klein’s office who treated Michael during that period. Then lets talk about the witch Harvey Levin. Levin actually contacted Steven Hoefflin to drag Arnie into the entire mess. Harvey knew that Hoefflin had a cease and desist against him and was not permitted to speak\ or talk\ about Michael. Harvey,however, saw alot of money and may be tour buses. Hoefflin did over one-hundred surgeries on Michael and also was the one who got him addicted to Propofol. Harvey and his dear friends Howard Weitzman and John Branca were busy settling the Jackson estate with a phony Will so Harvey decided to blind the world by vastly increasing the doses of Demerol Arnie used. How did the records of Michael get released anyway. Attorneys Richard Charnley together with Brad Boyer, Muhammad Khilji and Jason Pfeiffer not only stole Klein’s millions they also released Michaels records. Of course Harvey the genius never figured it was the records of three doctors instead of one. So he took all the Demerol shots and added some and got a number. Did he ever bother to tell the world that Arnie employed a drug addiction specialist(Honzel) and Michael’s internist(Metzger) when determining the proper doses of Demerol to use? Just Google Harvey Levin and OJ Simpson to see what he did for Howard when he represented OJ.What most have not been aware of is that, before the death of Arnie’s beloved friend Michael Jackson, two of Arnie’s employees embezzled a king’s ransom from him through a bank, Private Bank of California,on which John Branca Law Firm has two seats. Quite a stunning conspiracy. It is even worse because this Bank has committed serious Bank Fraud which is a Federal Offense. A few days ago, Harvey’s gossip tv rag “TMZ” broadcast what amounts to a smear campaign on the heels of an alleged letter that was sent to 350 doctors across the nation.  One of those physicians is Dr. Klein.  But the TMZ “report” was all about targeted innuendo. Little did they know that:

 Arnie was sent a vial  of Botox by someone(probably Muhammad Khilji)and never used it. Because he is on the FDA Arnie discussed it with Keith Hadley a criminal investigator for the FDA. Remember Arnie got the Black- Box warning on Botox. Harvey made a big deal about it but I bet he gets his toxins for free.

 

Harvey reminds me very much of another gay lawyer Roy Cohn who years ago dated Barbara Walters.Federal investigations during the 1970s and 1980s charged Cohn three times with professional misconduct, including perjury and witness tampering. He was accused in New York of financial improprieties related to city contracts and private investments. He was never convicted of any charge. In 1986, a five-judge panel of the Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court disbarred Cohn for unethical and unprofessional conduct, including misappropriation of clients’ funds, lying on a bar application, and pressuring a client to amend his will. In this case in 1975, Cohn entered the hospital room of a dying and comatose Lewis Rosenstiel, the multi-millionaire founder of Schenley Industries, forced a pen to his hand and lifted it to the will in an attempt to make himself and Cathy Frank—Rosenstiel’s granddaughter—beneficiaries. The resulting marks were determined in court to be indecipherable and in no way a valid signature. He lost his law license during the last month of his life. At that time, National Review senior editor Jeffrey Hart referred to him as “an ice-cold sleaze.

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