Neverland

[andrea_garay2005]

these are just my thoughts but i have to say i absolutely believed mj when he saud he would never go back,until he "died" that is! have you all noticed that Neverland gets no press? no one goes there exept workmen with concrete! thats weird to me. my point is because we all believe mj would never go back including the press, then isnt it the safest place for him to be now? its a big place, if he went back it dont mean to say he'd live in that big house with the bad memorys. i wont be suprised if that house is knocked down eventually

You took the words right out of my mouth! Agree!
You guys no need to be sad, Michael didn't like that place anymore! He'll have another just like that in no time.

[Eva R]

It looks so sad.. it was so beautiful.. Well, before his death he wanted to make a new home with park: Wonderland

[TheKingWillReturn]

Was Michael's GHOST on that news clip at Neverland, one of the first clues to check out his movie...
Michael Jackson's Ghost?
Also another thought, when he Came Back - Morphed in Moonwalker, it was his shadow on the wall that you seen, doesn't that remind you of the Neverland footage? Shadow on wall.

[DancingTheDream]

My feelings are they should raize it to the ground.

[jill]

I've read many different articles. Some claims that Christian bought, some that not. Example-"The owner of popular Ed Hardy clothing line is said to have paid 90 million dollars for his friend’s former home, but he insists he would never have bought a place that only held bad memories for the Thriller hitmaker."

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So i don't know who is the owner for sure. :?

Maybe they are trying to keep it quiet.

[jonnysgirldangerous]

It's so sad to see how the lies and the greed of some people destroyed everything MJ treasured. I think the way we see Neverland today all empty and destroyed is the way those horrible people left MJ's heart and soul. He was really destroyed after the trials and it seemed like he couldn't take it anymore. I wouldn't want either to go back to a place that people used to destroy me, but like you said, maybe he have some kind of facilities there where he's living, because after all that nobody expects anything to happen there.

[TheKingWillReturn]

The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?

[Kirsche]

The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?

yep it's still unsolved and it was never mentioned again.... :?  not by TMZ or anyone else

[DancingTheDream]

The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?

Do you have a link to this?  Who said this happened?  Any pictures?  :?

[mjboogie]

Maybe the concrete was used or is being used in the rebuilding process. It would help for us to research Neverland a bit more and find out exactly who owns it now. I mean once we find out exactly who owns the property now we will be able to go from there. People are saying Christian, but he bought the L.A. mansion where MJ was staying. But he has a lot of money maybe he bought both? It does look bare! :cry: But I do not feel Mj is there even if they have rebuilt it he could not possibly reside there without being in the public's eye right? SO....who really owns Neverland.. Colony Capital.? Christian? MJ? hmmmm

[CC]

I think MJ is there, at Neverland... i read an article about a house he rent in vegas and the owner sais that he rent this house, but he lived in the guests house with the kids... he doesn´t like the big house... :?
maybe he is living in the guest house at neverland, because the big house are empty... we saw that... so...

[Eva R]

I think MJ is there, at Neverland... i read an article about a house he rent in vegas and the owner sais that he rent this house, but he lived in the guests house with the kids... he doesn´t like the big house... :?
maybe he is living in the guest house at neverland, because the big house are empty... we saw that... so...

yeah it is possible. but I don't think he would like it there now without in the big house furniture. And without the attractions and animals. And that mess outside. But maybe it is more clean now. I don't know when those pics were taken. anyone knows?

[Christiana]

The concrete at Neverland issue has been discussed a lot. Work began at Neverland long before June. See info here that I have posted before in other Neverland threads:

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And Christian Audigier did NOT buy Neverland. The note to Neverland was bought by Colony Capital in 2008 (noted in article above). This was erroneous info reported by overzealous reporters who didn't have all their facts when they first reported that Audigier was buying MJ's home. They were talking about the Holmby Hills house, not Neverland.

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There have also been reports since that time that CA changed his mind about the Holmby Hills home and is not moving into it.

[Idéalo]

I already asked, would like to know who owns neverland has given permission to enter into a neverland of journalists to believe the ghost of MJ?

[TheKingWillReturn]

Hello Dancing The Dream,

Here is one of the links i found...
Concrete Evidence Found at Neverland
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Maybe the family was planning on filling Joe's mouth with concrete to keep him from talking, ...But probably not enough concrete in the world for that.

I googled Never Never Land and i found this, i was wondering what Never Never Land meant, because Michael used that in "Threatened", Maybe Australia holds a clue??

Never-never land
Meaning

A utopian dreamland.

Origin

The term 'never-never land' is now usually applied with a sense of dismissiveness - used when someone is dreaming unrealistically about a utopian future.

Never Never Land is a real place though. The name was first recorded, in the late 19th century, describing the uninhabited regions of Australia - then called just 'The Never-Never'. The more remote outback regions of the Northern Territory and Queensland are still known by that name. This is as much a state of mind and a folk-memory that recalls the pre-settlement outback life with fondness as it is a precise geographical location.

The European emigrant's view of the 'Never-Never Land' was very different from that of the locals. The incomer saw it as somewhere you would never, never want to go. The earliest reference I can find to the name in print is in A. J. Boyd's Old Colonials, 1882:

"My soliloquy ends with the inquiry, 'What on earth is to be done in this wretched Never-never country?'"

In 1906 Henry Lawson published a poem - The Never-Never Country and in 1908, Jeannie Gunn published a popular autobiographical novel - 'We of the Never Never'. This was made into a film, starring Angela Punch McGregor, in 1982. In the text Gunn presents the contrary view as to how the place was named:

"Called the Never-Never, the Maluka loved to say, because they, who have lived in it and loved it Never-Never voluntarily leave it."

That's the same feeling used by later writers when they appropriated the term into their work as a metaphor for a fantasy land. In 1900, Israel Zangwill used the phrase in the title of a play, here described in the New York Dramatic Mirror, November 1900:

"At Wallack's on Tuesday evening Sarah Cowell Le Moyne supplemented The Greatest Thing in the World with the initial performance of THE MOMENT OF DEATH; or, The Never, Never Land, a drama in one act and three scenes, by Israel Zangwill."

Of course, the best-known use is in J. M. Barrie's Peter Pan, 1904:

Wendy: Where do you live now?
Peter: With the lost boys. They are the children who fall out of their prams when the nurse is looking the other way. If they are not claimed in seven days they are sent far away to the Never Land.

It is Barrie that brought the term to the everyday language and that's where we get the current meaning. Where did Barrie get it though - imagination or from Australia? 19th century emigrants' travels in Australia were well reported on back in England and, although Barrie's version is truncated to 'Never Land', it's unlikely that he was unaware of the Australian region when he coined the name for the play. It would have sounded remote and exotic to people in Edwardian England and it seems probable that Barrie adapted the name for use in the play.

The number of 'nevers' doesn't seem to be especially significant. In an early review, of a performance of Peter Pan in New York in 1905, the Fort Wayne Journal-Gazette dispenses with one and two and goes for three:

"When he [Peter Pan] was a very little fellow he RAN AWAY FROM THE HUMAN WORLD, and lived with the fairies in the NEVER NEVER LAND."

The dreamland utopia allusion of the phrase has been tarnished somewhat by the adoption by Michael Jackson of the name 'Neverland Valley' for his Californian ranch.

Another slightly less than positive use of the term 'never never' is its use as a name for payment by installments. This came about in the early 20th century. The reference here is to the apparently never-ending number of payments on a loan, and not in response to Barrie's play or from Australia.

In 1926 Edgar Wallace, in his novel More Educated Evans, described the term:

"Her uncle drove a taxi which he had purchased on the 'never never' system. You pay $80 down and more than you can afford for the rest of your life."