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You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginWe need to stay united, in between us the older forum-members, because most probably we will see more tabloid-TROLLS like this trying to attack the forum (admins) and disintegrate our group.Now more than ever we need to support Souza in her actions and decisions, unless we want to see the forum closed! I think Souza's patience and energy are close to an end, and NOBODY could blame her... watching all the bizarre users/comments lately!!New forum-members are welcome, but they need to watch out how they behave if they don't want to be mistaken/confused with forum-haters/trolls!I just hope, we can get back to our purely investigative and funny talks again.I for one, I am sick and and tired of ALL the whining, drama-stories, wives-wannabes, sexy-dreams about Mike, hysterical trolls attacking and accusing us of all the world atrocities! I think that we are stronger and ABOVE that, we, as a group of this forum! Let's get over with this CIRCUS once and for all and look at the amazing things that are unfolding in FRONT of our eyes!! There are still so many interesting, unheard of things to discover, YET we are stopped/blocked by superficial, naive , useless and time-consuming "conflicts".@Sim and everyone else, I've been quiet recently and have not been spending much time here because I've really had it with all the fighting and drama (and obsessed 'fans' as well). I've almost got to the point where my 'deadline' that I talked about a few days ago actually will not come into play because I'll have left the forum long before that time comes.Then I read Sim's post above and think 'do I really want to be forced out by the workings of troublemakers?' Isn't that giving them just what they want?Which leads me to wondering if there's not a different/better way of tackling these 'interruptions' than getting into pages and pages of public arguing.Souza, I've spoken to you before about my experiences on another forum (non MJ related) where the admin/mods actually read and moderate EVERY SINGLE POST before allowing them to be seen! Obviously this is extremely time-consuming and actually in reality, spoils the free-flowing nature of conversation (so I stopped posting there!), but it did keep the site safe and on-topic. I'm not suggesting you do this!But I wonder if you'd consider a different course of action when you come across a post you're not happy about. How about if instead of questioning the poster publicly on the thread and thus opening the floodgates to god-knows-what, you were to (temporarily) delete it from the thread, question the poster in PM, and then depending on their response, either re-instate their post or leave it permanently deleted. I don't think this would be more time-consuming than your current way of dealing with things - in fact it could be a far quicker way of sussing out a member's true intentions. By doing it in private, a troublemaker would not be getting the public attention they crave, while a genuine poster with a genuine point would be happy to clear up any misunderstanding before going public. So, firstly, would this be possible techie-wise, you know, with your awesome admin superpowers?! And secondly, would this, or some other approach, be something you would be willing to consider in order to keep your house clean?
We need to stay united, in between us the older forum-members, because most probably we will see more tabloid-TROLLS like this trying to attack the forum (admins) and disintegrate our group.Now more than ever we need to support Souza in her actions and decisions, unless we want to see the forum closed! I think Souza's patience and energy are close to an end, and NOBODY could blame her... watching all the bizarre users/comments lately!!New forum-members are welcome, but they need to watch out how they behave if they don't want to be mistaken/confused with forum-haters/trolls!I just hope, we can get back to our purely investigative and funny talks again.I for one, I am sick and and tired of ALL the whining, drama-stories, wives-wannabes, sexy-dreams about Mike, hysterical trolls attacking and accusing us of all the world atrocities! I think that we are stronger and ABOVE that, we, as a group of this forum! Let's get over with this CIRCUS once and for all and look at the amazing things that are unfolding in FRONT of our eyes!! There are still so many interesting, unheard of things to discover, YET we are stopped/blocked by superficial, naive , useless and time-consuming "conflicts".
Isn't there a third way to allow the forum to remain as it is and simply change our reactions? Can we not just step back and ignore posts that are expressing a mindset we don't agree with? Wouldn't it be more than fair to support Souza in her tremendous workload if we would agree and align in refraining from any emotional argy-bargy OURSELVES? We 1) know what it leads to and 2) have better to do than spend our precious time and resources on feather-picking. Trolls and troublemakers can only be ignored. There's no other way to get rid of them. They feed on attention. They get away when they don't succeed.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginIsn't there a third way to allow the forum to remain as it is and simply change our reactions? Can we not just step back and ignore posts that are expressing a mindset we don't agree with? Wouldn't it be more than fair to support Souza in her tremendous workload if we would agree and align in refraining from any emotional argy-bargy OURSELVES? We 1) know what it leads to and 2) have better to do than spend our precious time and resources on feather-picking. Trolls and troublemakers can only be ignored. There's no other way to get rid of them. They feed on attention. They get away when they don't succeed.@Grace, I wasn't on the forum for a few days, so I guess I've missed the latest fight. I think that what you described would be the best way: totally ignore such posts. No arguments, no fighting, no nothing. Don't give them what they want. It's way too much work for our admin/moderators to preview every post. And besides, WE have a responsibility TOO on this forum. I should think that we learned a lot about all of this these past three years. And it's not what Michael stands for: don't give them their way, simply IGNORE them (like Michael tried to ignore the crap in the tabloids). We have to stand above the provocation.
[...]Can we not just step back and ignore posts that are expressing a mindset we don't agree with? Wouldn't it be more than fair to support Souza in her tremendous workload if we would agree and align in refraining from any emotional argy-bargy OURSELVES?
[...] 1. Freedom and flow of conversation - this will invite troublesome souls as we saw it happen many times. This is our current approach as I understand it and enables everybody to join and post without being "managed". Or is it 2. a fully moderated forum that we want - this will diminish the aggressions from the beginning but also lead to rumors of "censorship behind closed doors" (and requires additional mods or a tremendous workload for the existing ones.) Isn't there a 3rd way to allow the forum to remain as it is and simply change our reactions?
I think MJ himself provided an excellent example in the course of this hoax for dealing with trolls: let them show the world who the asshole really is.I think the absolute world of you guys, you really have no idea. I couldn't be more proud to be surrounded by such a group of intelligent, analytical, sharp minded people such as yourselves and your suggestions are very valuable to me, as I know they are to Souza as well.However, I really like how each and every one of you handle yourselves on the forum and I would hate to see any of you change your individual styles. As far as I'm concerned, personally, keep doing what each one of you naturally does here. I feel as though everyone has their own style of personal management and it results in an incredible mixing pot of synergy and cohesiveness on the forum. So please, keep on keeping on.As far as the trolls n troublemakers, don't sweat it, and don't let them get to you. They will flush themselves out and they will expose themselves to the world (we are public, after all), and then they will deal their own final blow.So, to sum it all up, it's all good in the hood. Keep calm and carry on.
Oh Ps. one way you can help me out, if you see a suspected troll, just hit Report to Mod on their post so I can watch them :animal0017: