Madonna Illuminati Superbowl vs Michael's Heal the World Superbowl 93

[thrillerdancinmachine]

I have work to do and have already spent more time than I planned on. My main interest was in pointing out the obvious vast difference in the entire underlying intent of each presentation, and the effect each had on the viewer, and in hearing the responses relevant to the DISCERNMENT of Illuminati/ritualistic/cult/code imagery which is prevalent in the music industry and unmistakeable in the production last night.

"But what do MY statements have to do with YOUR statements?  :shock:"

Your statements were a direct response to mine.
Yes, you have the right to stand by whatever great respect you may have for Madonna, or Jon Benet Ramsey as great "artists," but that does not alter the fact that they were both used and exploited by their handlers to serve a twisted agenda disturbing to anyone who cares to expect better.

 

[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.

Who said otherwise?  smiley_spider

No one said otherwise; the key words here are "merit," and "higher expectations," implying Michael is worthy of the status some misguidedly apply to Madonna, and that status should be given not by those with the above-discerned motives.

[...]There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between [....]

i didn't make any comparison between...
You did. And you are free to compare any artists you like.

Don't insult Michael by assuming I would compare him to Madonna. My point was that there IS no comparison.

"Yes that's true. One doesn't need to work in the business to notice that."

A comment was made which I was referring to, by another poster, that I had no knowledge of the technical aspects of a concert, which I addressed by sharing some of my extensive professional background performing Thriller and other choreography and music made popular by the above-mentioned entertainers and many others, at the time they were in the same circles as me in their height, so am keenly aware of the inner workings of show business as it relates to all of these performers as well as the fact that the lights go down before a show, hello.

Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer.

That's your opinion.

It was stated that any "objective" person agreed with the poster about Madonna's dubious accomplishments. I do not agree, and I have no personal bias against Madonna, just an educated assessment of her lack of ability and humility.

" continue to doubt that she left herself be manipulated like other artists."

I am not saying she involuntarily went along with the program; Michael said she
isn't a good person; she may well just be inclined to actually like being a puppet by now because their agenda complements her character.

" " are quotation marks, not "nverted commas." I didn't miss your criticisms of Ma.

or "bashing" her, just stating my observations.

Ok, if you say so.

I do say so. I think she has many good qualities. She works out, is rich enough to be disciplined about taking her Botox, helped her daughter get into a career, and for a while trained as a dancer. She was friends with Sandra B...once. She can give a pop bottle a blow job. That takes a lot of dedication and practice.

The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment,

Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it.   :roll:

You're welcome.

and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you [...]

No comment.

That's for the best.

just sayin. Peace.

yeah.  :roll:

'Peace." Sorry, forgot we were talking about Madonna. That should be spelled, "Piece."

[applehead250609]

She's really a great artist, great entertainer!
She's a beautiful woman, very original and very courageous to show a sexy , even vulgar side, without being dis-gracious!! And IMO, Lady Gaga is nothing but a grotesque and poor, pathetic copy of Madonna.

I will not commit the mistake to compare Michael to Madonna. (or vice-versa)
Nor have I ever compared Elvis to Michael (or vice-versa)
They simply CANNOT be compared!!!
Nevertheless they are all VALUABLE artists and no one, objective enough, can deny this!


Yes, I know all about what goes into a show and effects and rehearsals, wich is why I know she has worked hard, and appreciate the technical skill of my fellow dancers. I disagree with the above statements. 14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations. Many of us noticed that after the Superbowl in 3, when Michael lused hi worldwide audience to promote the message "Heal the World," directed toward children, and it could not be denied he was a figure of tremendous power to inspire people to take it upon themselves to change and empower themselves, MJ was taken down and the attacks never let up. There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between his legacy and what we were just served last night resembling a ceremony at Bohemian Grove. I am not a Christian and preoccupied with "anti-christ" dogma. I just think I have a taste level and awareness of what is behind the scenes in the "industry" and politics, and I'm just making the observation that the music industry, government, religion, are in fact highly controlled by the money interests who decide who they will train as a monkey to dance for the people and distract them, and who will serve the purpose of achieving their agenda, whatever that ends up being. Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. She stated, while we truly dedicated dancers were really working and taking any job we could get, that she did not want to be dancer because there was no money in it. She has been supported every step of the way by doing exactly what her handlers want her to do. Michael's spirit compelled him to reach beyond that. It is worth noting this because Michael should have been performing the last decade of his life in those venues, but he was a threat to their power structure as he himself stated many times, and he was replaced by what we saw last night and either gotten rid of as his family has openly claimed, or he outsmarted them. Anyone who lives in Hollywood or been in the industry finds this out in a week, or they are not privy to the circles that control what we see.

There is a great deal to compare between Elvis and Michael. It has been addressed on this site in great length. It is also fair to discuss Michael and Prince; both great artists. But the reason most people here are MJ fans is that he was beyond compare. I wasn't comparing Michael and Madonna or "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Michael did not like Madonna either for the same reasons I mentioned. Bette Midler is a great artist and entertainer who did outrageous, shocking, and what some consider vulgar things, but iit was with intelligence and wit. She also mocked Madonna and did not take her seriously.

The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you with over the years disguising it as "entertainment" programs you into accepting that as desirable in place of something higher. And they use it to instill their message into your mind. The way Michael used his TRUE talent and power to instill a totally different message. I'm just here to march in MJ's army of L.O.V.E. and not Madonna's Roman procession to the N.W.O.  Bilderberger meeting, just sayin. Peace.

typing/  "piece"

[SimPattyK]

[...]
Your statements were a direct response to mine.[...]

That's what you think.
If I'd wanted to reply to you , I would have quoted you.
Just try to accept the fact that I was only expressing my opinion, regardless of yours.

but that does not alter the fact that they were both used and exploited by their handlers to serve a twisted agenda disturbing to anyone who cares to expect better.[...]

And your opinion^^ does not alter my opinion.

[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.

Who said otherwise?  smiley_spider

No one said otherwise; the key words here are "merit," and "higher expectations,"[...]

And I'm asking again: who said Michael does not have merits? perhaps even greater merits!!
And "higher expectations" according to whose standards and opinions? Yours?
what about mine?
According to mine, Madonna has merits too!

Don't insult Michael by assuming I would compare him to Madonna. My point was that there IS no comparison.

:shock: Sorry , but I have the impression that you didn't read my message.  I said exactly the same thing: It is IMPOSSIBLE to compare them!!
So your "discussion" here just goes in useless circles...

A comment was made which I was referring to, by another poster

Then you should have addressed to that poster, not me.  Thus you wouldn't create so much confusion and misunderstandings.

It was stated that any "objective" person agreed with the poster about Madonna's dubious accomplishments. I do not agree, and I have no personal bias against Madonna, just an educated assessment of her lack of ability and humility.

yes, I said that any objective person cannot deny that she is talented.
Of course you can disagree, but IMO you are not being objective. And I also think you have a personal bias, if only judging by your aggressive and insistent reactions here in this topic.

[...]she may well just be inclined to[...]

I think this is just  your personal assumption.

I think she has many good qualities. She works out, is rich enough to be disciplined about taking her Botox, helped her daughter get into a career, and for a while trained as a dancer. She was friends with Sandra B...once. She can give a pop bottle a blow job. That takes a lot of dedication and practice.

That's really an "objective" opinion.
But hey, it's your opinion.

The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment,

Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it.   :roll:

You're welcome.

oh , thank you again for confirming your arrogance one more time. :roll:



@thrillerdancinmachine: I was disturbed, even offended by your aggressive and vulgar way you chose to address to me, even though we had never spoken before and even though I am not the only one to have "dared" to post positive things about Madonna in this topic. Yet you chose to direct your aggressive reaction only towards me, even though I said, very clearly, that I am not really a fan and I also mentioned some of the the things I DISLIKE about Madonna.

No one is "brainwashed" here, no one lacks discernment here, as you have clearly suggested in your previous post. You need to relax about this subject. Please stop being so "concerned" about us and try to be more tolerant with other people's tastes and opinions... accept the fact that even though people here are very aware of the "Illuminati agenda" and they do not "worship" Madonna, there are still some of us who at least respect and appreciate her talent as the true artist that she is.

You could also use more decent examples or comparison terms, you don't really need to use pornographic "imagery" to illustrate your point of view. So in the future, please take this into consideration, especially if you want to have a conversation with me. Thank you.

[SimPattyK]

@Applehead: LMAO  :lol: :lol: :lol:

[paula-c]

Madonna’s Superbowl Halftime Show: A Celebration of the Grand Priestess of the Music Industry

By VC | February 6th, 2012 | Category: Music Business














When I learned that Madonna – aka the Grand Priestess of the music industry – would be performing at the Superbowl halftime show, I thought: “This should be interesting”. And it was. While most were amazed by a woman in her fifties dancing around with LMFAO and others were annoyed at her lipsynching, I was amazed by something else: the flurry of symbolism flashed to billions of worldwide viewers. While most saw Madonna’s performance as an entertaining interlude to the most important football game of the year, those with symbol-literacy will probably agree: Madonna’s halftime show was a big celebration of the Illuminati industry and of its Grand Priestess, Madonna.

A week before the Superbowl, Madonna described on Anderson Cooper the spiritual importance she attributed to her Half-Time show:

“The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful.”

It is rather appropriate that this Kaballah-intiate referred to the Superbowl as the “Holy of Holies” as it was the name of the most sacred place in Solomon’s Temple. No one was ever permitted the Holy of Holies but the High Priest and only on the Day of Atonement – to offer the blood of sacrifice and incense before the mercy seat. Madonna’s analogy was therefore rather telling of the mindset behind her performance. Let’s look at the main parts of her show.

Vogue or Entrance of the Priestess

Madonna entrance is an elaborate procession fit for a High Priestess or even a goddess.













Pushed by hundreds of Roman soldiers and welcomed by hundreds of women, Madonna's glorious entrance is a reflection of her status in the entertainment world.

Her first performance is highly influenced by ancient Egypt-Sumeria-Babylon and Madonna’s costume recalls an ancient Babylonian goddess.












The decor of Madonna's first performance combines elements from ancient Egypt, Sumeria and Babylon. Madonna herself is dressed in a way that highly resembles an Ancient Sumerian/Babylonian goddess, Inanna-Ishtar.

















Ishtar with her foot on a roaring lion and wearing a distinctive headdress thatresembles the one worn by Madonna. Ishtar is often depicted with wings, a feature that is recalled on Madonna's "carriage".

Ishtar was a powerful and assertive goddess whose areas of control and influence included warfare, love, sexuality, prosperity, fertility and prostitution. She sought the same existence as men, enjoying the glory of battle and seeking sexual experiences. Madonna’s as Ishtar is therefore quite interesting as one can argue that the pop singer has embodied, throughout her career, the same assertive yet highly sexual qualities of Ishtar, even achieving a state of power in the music industry that is usually reserved to men. On an esoteric level, Ishtar is associated with the planet Venus, known as the Morning Star or the Evening Star – a name also attributed to Lucifer in occult schools.

So in this mythologically-charged setting Madonna performed Vogue. During the performance, we saw dancers on the covers of Vogue, a magazine that is at the forefront of Illuminati symbolism in fashion (as seen in the series of articles Symbolic Pics of the Month).

Vogue ends with a symbol that is consistent with the Egyptian-Babylonian theme of the performance. It is also highest importance in occult Secret Societies such as Freemasons, the Rosicrucians and the Illuminati: the Winged Sun-Disk.


The song ends with the displaying of the symbol of the Winged Sun-Disk.













Egyptian mystics used the winged sun for ritualistic magic and invocations:

“‘Emblematic of the element of air, this consists of a circle or solar-type disk enclosed by a pair of wings. In ritual magic it is suspended over the alter in an easterly direction and used when invoking the protection and co-operation of the sylphs.”
-Hope, Murry, Practical Egyptian Magic

The winged sun is still being used today by groups like the Freemasons, the Theosophists and the Rosicrucians.

“The Winged Globe is pre-eminently a Rosicrucian symbol, although the Illuminati may lay claim to it, and it may be admitted that it is of Egyptian origin. The Winged Globe is the symbol of the perfected soul making its flight back to the source of its creation in the Elysian fields beyond.”
-Swinburne, Clymer, The Rosicrucians Their Teachings

The symbol of the winged-sun inside a Masonic lodge.













The display of this symbol, although apparently trivial and aesthetic, emphasizes on the occult spiritual dimension underlying Madonna’s entire performance.

Give Me All Your Luvin’ or Madonna’s Sex Kittens


Later in the show, Madonna performed her new single Give Me All Your Luvin’. The song features two new industry favorites: Nikki Minaj and M.I.A. In the song’s music video and during the Superbowl performance, the featuring of these two female rappers is portrayed in a specific way:  Instead of being presented as full-fledged artists contributing to Madonna’s song, the roles they are given makes them almost Madonna’s “minions” who are cheering for the industry’s High Priestess. This “relationship” where Madonna is in power – and therefore the handler – is drenched in Mind Control symbolism, specifically Beta Programming also know Sex Kitten Programming.


In the video for Give me Your Luvin', Madonna, Nikki Minaj and M.I.A. are dressed as Marilyn Monroe, the ultimate prototype of Sex Kitten Programming.














Another symbol associated with Sex Kitten programming is feline prints clothing and textiles. The entire half-time show was an animal-print extravaganza.

Like a Prayer or the Final Sermon


Madonna closed the Halftime show with one of her biggest hits: Like a Prayer. The video of this song was always controversial due to its mixing of religious themes with sexuality. When the song starts, the show takes on a very solemn and spiritual tone as Madonna and Cee-Lo Green enter to give the final sermon. Religious figures are usually dressed in white to represent purity and godliness. The two singers where dressed in black robes and black robes are usually used in…black masses.

As the song begins, a huge eye pupil is displayed, hinting of the Illuminati-influence in this spiritual performance.













Madonna’s Half-Time show also ends in a rather symbolic matter:

At the end of her performance, the floor opens underneath Madonna's feet and she disappears.












As Madonna is swept in what appears to be the “Underworld”, Madonna sings “I hear you call my name, And it feels like home”. This is another inversion of conventional religious symbolism as “home” should be in the heavens. In Madonna’s case, she obviously didn’t go in that direction.

The show ends with a message no one can disagree with.

The words "World Peace" appear on the stage, a PR-friendly slogan used by those pushing for a New World Order, one that is lead by a one world government.












In Conclusion

When taken individually, the symbols described above can be simply considered as “cool-looking” and most Superbowl viewers did not attribute much attention to them. The packing all of these signs and symbols in one comprehensive 13 minute performance cannot be dismissed as “random images”. Quite to the contrary, they all point towards a specific underlying Agenda, one that is consistent across the entire music industry. Madonna’s embrace of the Illuminati symbolism discussed on this site coincides with her signing with Interscope Records, one of the main purveyors of Illuminati symbolism in the music industry. Her Half-Time show performance can therefore be considered as the “launching” of her three-album (and 40 million dollars) relationship with the prominent label. Madonna’s Superbowl performance has shown that, despite the fact that she is an industry icon, she still needs to fit the mold and embrace the same symbolism rookie pop stars.

Laced with profound imagery, Madonna’s Half-time performance was, in fact, a massive Illuminati ritual, one that was witnessed by billions of viewers. On this Superbowl “Day of Atonement”, Madonna, the High Priestess of the Illuminati industry, entered the Holy of Holies of America delivered a 13 minutes sermon that was heard by all and understood by few.

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[Liberian Girl Heehee]

Wow!  Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna.  But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993.  I still cry to this day watching him and the children.   :cry:  It was and he was and still is amazing!!   michael-jackson/

[SimPattyK]

Wow!  Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna.  But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993.  [...]

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Thanks for posting that, Paula !    
Interesting interpretation of Madonna's show.
I've read most of the articles by VigilantCitizen even if I don't always agree with everything there.... there are some exaggerations too, IMO.
Things can sometimes easily be misinterpreted or "over-interpreted" , especially when one sees everything just from one negative perspective!

[RK]

Thanks Paula. Yep...that about sums it up perfectly.
And I want to add that Celo's voice and harmonies were the [good] highlight of that whole 13 minutes. Interesting number there, as it is symbolic for rebellion and apostacy in biblical numerics...just saying that nothing is random in this ritual.

[Tink]

Madonna was dressed like a Greek Goddess, sheeesh! Greek Goddesses: Gaia = MOTHER EARTH! Persephone: had to live a few months in the underworld, which is why we have winter. Aphrodite: Goddess of Love & Beauty. I believe she combined them all, perhaps with the message of: PEACE ON EARTH!

No one with any evil within them, is going to say that.

@thrillerdancemachine: YOU disturb me very, very much, with your condoning of pedophilia on this very BOARD!

[paula-c]

Wow!  Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna.  But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993.  [...]

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Thanks for posting that, Paula !    
Interesting interpretation of Madonna's show.
I've read most of the articles by VigilantCitizen even if I don't always agree with everything there.... there are some exaggerations too, IMO.
Things can sometimes easily be misinterpreted or "over-interpreted" , especially when one sees everything just from one negative perspective!

And all these shows have a recurrent pattern

[voiceforthesilent]

Wow - I wouldn't have imagined there'd be so much lively discussion over Madonna's SB show.

I will say this - I can't dance. I can't sing. I don't look near that good and I'm younger than she is by a couple of years. I get winded walking briskly on the treadmill for 30 minutes. So who am I to criticize. I'm amazed that a few years ago I thought 50 was old and now that I'm here I realize that 50 is not that old after all. I still have at least 20 more years of work ahead of me...God willing. Perspective.

I will also say this - I wasn't a fan of Michael's in 1993. I also don't consider myself a Madonna fan. But they both have achieved a great deal of fame in their own right - not to be compared against each other. Are their motives different? Maybe, IDK. I do know that it appears that Madonna loves children and so does Michael. They both do what they can to help give them a better life. So, for that I give them both a thumbs up.

Regarding the performance - as I said, I wasn't a fan of Michael's in 93 and I'm not a fan of Madonna's now. But, in 93, as in any performance or appearance, my eyes were glued to Michael. I couldn't help it. That show was magical. I was in a crowded room and I heard nobody around me the whole performance, It stayed in my mind for weeks afterwards, just like the We Are The World song when it was debuted. I taped it from the TV and played it over and over and over again.  Anyway, Michael's performance was mesmerizing, in a good way. It gave you the feeling of love and unity and hope.

Yesterday, I was a little excited to see Madonna's performance. I was actually in route to my daughters home so missed the first couple of minutes but even so I only watched about 3-4 minutes of the show and I quickly became sidetracked. I found my mind wandering to tasks I still needed to get done before work the next day. Later, I realized that it didn't hold my attention. Not that she didn't perform her heart out. Not that the show was a dud. It just didn't hold my attention.

So, from a non-fan point of view, Michael has the ability to command the audience of fans and nonfans alike. And, he's the only one in my memory, other than Elvis, that has been able to do that.

EDIT: Ray Charles also had the ability to hold my attention. He was very special as well.

We Are The World - let's make this world a better place...for you and for me. Hugs

Blessings to you.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BNoNFKCBI&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

[thrillerdancinmachine]

Wow!  Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna.  But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993.  I still cry to this day watching him and the children.   :cry:  It was and he was and still is amazing!!   michael-jackson/

That's right.

[GINAFELICIA]

Yes, I know all about what goes into a show and effects and rehearsals, wich is why I know she has worked hard, and appreciate the technical skill of my fellow dancers. I disagree with the above statements. 14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations. Many of us noticed that after the Superbowl in 3, when Michael lused hi worldwide audience to promote the message "Heal the World," directed toward children, and it could not be denied he was a figure of tremendous power to inspire people to take it upon themselves to change and empower themselves, MJ was taken down and the attacks never let up. There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between his legacy and what we were just served last night resembling a ceremony at Bohemian Grove. I am not a Christian and preoccupied with "anti-christ" dogma. I just think I have a taste level and awareness of what is behind the scenes in the "industry" and politics, and I'm just making the observation that the music industry, government, religion, are in fact highly controlled by the money interests who decide who they will train as a monkey to dance for the people and distract them, and who will serve the purpose of achieving their agenda, whatever that ends up being. Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. She stated, while we truly dedicated dancers were really working and taking any job we could get, that she did not want to be dancer because there was no money in it. She has been supported every step of the way by doing exactly what her handlers want her to do. Michael's spirit compelled him to reach beyond that. It is worth noting this because Michael should have been performing the last decade of his life in those venues, but he was a threat to their power structure as he himself stated many times, and he was replaced by what we saw last night and either gotten rid of as his family has openly claimed, or he outsmarted them. Anyone who lives in Hollywood or been in the industry finds this out in a week, or they are not privy to the circles that control what we see.

There is a great deal to compare between Elvis and Michael. It has been addressed on this site in great length. It is also fair to discuss Michael and Prince; both great artists. But the reason most people here are MJ fans is that he was beyond compare. I wasn't comparing Michael and Madonna or "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Michael did not like Madonna either for the same reasons I mentioned. Bette Midler is a great artist and entertainer who did outrageous, shocking, and what some consider vulgar things, but iit was with intelligence and wit. She also mocked Madonna and did not take her seriously.

The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you with over the years disguising it as "entertainment" programs you into accepting that as desirable in place of something higher. And they use it to instill their message into your mind. The way Michael used his TRUE talent and power to instill a totally different message. I'm just here to march in MJ's army of L.O.V.E. and not Madonna's Roman procession to the N.W.O.  Bilderberger meeting, just sayin. Peace.

I agree with you again 100%. Thank you for voicing what I would voice if I could find the right words in English.

[LoveShyMichael]

The Madonna performance was a huge disappointment. All the lip-syncing, & the gaudy costumes. When I saw the pom-pom's, I was ready to jump up and sing "oh mickey your so fine, your so fine you blow my mind, hey mickey." When she got sucked thru the floor at the end, I thought why couldn't that have happened earler? Wow, what happened to entertainers actually "entertaining". Seems like if you can jump & down, don't even have to have rythmn, "& the crowd goes wild"... I never get sick of watching Michael dance. That's an entertainer & performer. Michael could hold your attention, & I could understand the words, & the meaning of the songs. Wow I do miss great entertainers. Glad I have my 35 dvd collection of all Michael's live performances & home private movie collections. I never get sick of watching him. What a let down on performances for the super bowls. Seems like the talent just isn't there anymore. Sad!

[GINAFELICIA]

I am sorry Sim, I love you but really Madonna is under zero to me.
Like I said, negative vibration coming from her....well that's my perception and I can't change what I feel.
I don't deny I like some of her songs but knowing WHO'S SINGING those songs keeps me away from listening them.

I just feel she's vulgar and makes me sick. As about her looking good, well she does look good if you like a package of muscles in a woman.