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[curls]

So here we have TS redirecting to a picture that Front used in his 31st Dec post:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381542#msg381542

Front wrote:

Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, which was no easy feat. But through guidance & strength from God--- and an "army" (of L.O.V.E.) whose faith remained strong despite the fears and unknowns--- they crossed the Red Sea as "east winds" (whispers) were deLIVEred to divide the waters and create a pathway for them to walk upon.

They were promised a place of "milk & honey" (Exodus 3). This was certainly not a case of "instant gratification"--not by a LONG stretch. There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. And where was this land that was spoken of, "flowing with milk and honey"? They could not see it...but they believed. They pressed on, continuing to Trust in God. They bolstered their faith --- and they never lost hope. It took many years before they finally reached their destination. BUT--- they had enough to survive the journey.
Bottom line: They didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted it.....but they got what they needed, when they needed it.

Extreme "darkness" before the "Light"........

God struck Egypt with 10 plagues --- 1 of them was "Darkness" (Exodus 10:21-23). Complete and TOTAL darkness cast over the land of Egypt. They wandered around aimlessly as good as blind--- not even so much as seeing their own hand in front of their face.

The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).

[msgitm]

This is an ancient map but it looks like the Strait of Hormuz is circled. I just read in the news that Iran is closing this waterway (no oil shipping) in retaliation to the sanctions against their country. Lots to do with Iran in Illuminati plans, and Iran is not the bad guy by the sounds of things.  But... who the heck knows?

[bec]

Any idea why we are subject to a plague considering story says that god sent the plagues to Egypt to convince the Pharaoh to free the Israelites?

Context

The reason for the plagues appears to be twofold:[22] to answer Pharaoh's taunt, "Who is Yahweh, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go?"[23] and to indelibly impress the Israelites with Yahweh's power as an object lesson for all time, which was also meant to become known "throughout the world".[24][25]

According to the Torah, God hardened Pharaoh's heart so he would be strong enough to persist in his unwillingness to release the people, so that God could manifest his great power and cause it to be declared among the nations,[26] so that other people would discuss it for generations afterward.[27] In this view, the plagues were punishment for the Egyptians' long abuse of the Israelites, as well as proof that the gods of Egypt were powerless by comparison.[28] If God triumphed over the gods of Egypt, a world power at that time, then the people of God would be strengthened in their faith, although they were a small people, and would not be tempted to follow the deities that God put to shame. Exodus portrays Yahweh explaining why he did not accomplish the freedom of the Israelites immediately:
"    I could have stretched forth My hand and stricken you [Pharaoh] and your people with pestilence, and you would have been effaced from the earth. Nevertheless I have spared you for this purpose: in order to show you My power and in order that My fame may resound throughout the world.    "

— Exodus 9:15-16 (JPS)

Bolded portion is interesting. Sneaky move there, god.

[MJonmind]

Front
There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter.

TS
We have only a few days left (until 11-29), but 7b and 7c should fall into place rather quickly—especially since I will be handing much of it out on a silver platter. 

Extreme "darkness" before the "Light"........God struck Egypt with 10 plagues --- 1 of them was "Darkness" (Exodus 10:21-23). Complete and TOTAL darkness cast over the land of Egypt. They wandered around aimlessly as good as blind--- not even so much as seeing their own hand in front of their face.

Bec, I would say that Egypt represents the world-- unaware/indifferent to MJ's hoax and calling (in darkness), we are the Israelites feasting on manna from TS/Front which is just enough for our needs but not more.  MJ is like Moses our leader.  The land flowing with milk and honey is Bam, MJ's return and his changing/healing the planet.  In a sense, Moses and the Israelites, or MJ and all of us beLIEvers crossed through the Red Sea on June 25, 2009.

Where it talks about God hardening Pharoah's heart, this is one of many places in the Bible showing there is no free will, but instead God moves people as he chooses, to create the story of history, and it occurs also in Revelation 17:18.  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:17&version=ASV Apostle Paul talks about God hardening of all the Jew's hearts so that all the Gentiles will come to faith.  If God moves the pawns about, why accuse people of being villains or heroes?  They are mere actors on a stage.  God converted Paul in an instant when he shone a bright light on him.  Free will is an illusion, that only seems very real. JMO

[RK]

This redirect  is a map from Ron Wyatt who made claims to have found the location of the Red Sea crossing and the location of the Ark of the Covenant as well as other biblical archeological discoveries.

Here's the link to the site about the DVD of discoveries.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
Wadi Watir had the Children of Israel "entangled."   Exit point at the large beach at Nuweiba   (2005)

When traveling through "the wilderness of the Red Sea" Ex.13:18, escaping Pharaoh's army, God told Moses to turn south, so they headed through a wadi or canyon area that is called the Wadi Watir which led to the sea.  The Bible in Ex. 14:3 says, "They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in."

When arriving at the beach, the children of Israel felt trapped, as they could not turn back, nor head north because at the northern end of the beach was a three story, Egyptian military fortress which is still standing today undergoing restoration.

ON TO THE REAL MT. SINAI....

Ron Wyatt's Research on the Exodus to the Red Sea

This exact map with the Gulf of Aqaba as the crossing point is listed on the page link when you scroll down

[bec]

Front
There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter.

TS
We have only a few days left (until 11-29), but 7b and 7c should fall into place rather quickly—especially since I will be handing much of it out on a silver platter. 

Good catch MJonmind. Really good catch.

[MJonmind]

This redirect  is a map from Ron Wyatt who made claims to have found the location of the Red Sea crossing and the location of the Ark of the Covenant as well as other biblical archeological discoveries.

Here's the link to the site about the DVD of discoveries.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
Wadi Watir had the Children of Israel "entangled."   Exit point at the large beach at Nuweiba   (2005)

When traveling through "the wilderness of the Red Sea" Ex.13:18, escaping Pharaoh's army, God told Moses to turn south, so they headed through a wadi or canyon area that is called the Wadi Watir which led to the sea.  The Bible in Ex. 14:3 says, "They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in."

When arriving at the beach, the children of Israel felt trapped, as they could not turn back, nor head north because at the northern end of the beach was a three story, Egyptian military fortress which is still standing today undergoing restoration.

ON TO THE REAL MT. SINAI....

Ron Wyatt's Research on the Exodus to the Red Sea

This exact map with the Gulf of Aqaba as the crossing point is listed on the page link when you scroll down

Good find!
Just scouting around, and found this long article going into a lot of detail, which mentions Ron Wyatts location, but thinks there is more evidence for the Israelite crossing at the Straits of Turan at the southern tip, because there are better natural land bridges.  Water off Nuweiba on the slight land bridge is 765 meters deep, and water at Turan bridge is only 205 meters.

However what Ron Wyatt and his team did get right (in our opinion and in the opinion of St. Paul and in the opinion therefore of the Holy Spirit and of God) is that he believed that Mount Sinai was in Saudi Arabia rather than being in the incorrectly named wilderness of Sinai. He and his sons went to Jabal al Lawz (the mountain of the Law) to see what they could find. Before they could find anything they were promptly arrested and spent 78 days behind bars! Apparently someone had phoned the embassy authorities in Saudi Arabia and told them that Ron and his party were spying for Israel! Perhaps they got a bit too close to the truth? It is quite possible that the artifacts Wyatt and others have found in the Nuweiba beach area, further up the gulf, are actually remains of an Egyptian army which crossed Red Sea at the mouth of the gulf. This is because the force of the powerful surge of water which returned when the wind died, could certainly have carried Pharaoh and his army quite a way up the gulf, and then over time, who knows where they may have been carried. But we do not that the land bridge at Baal Zephon would prevent them ever leaving the gulf. So they are in there somewhere!! The best place to search for them would appear to be just north of the strait of Tiran. As a final technical point, the narrow trench between the beach where the sons of Israel encamped (which is now Sharm Al Sheik's airport) and Baal Zephon, is today around 800 meters wide at over 75 meters depth. But the trench has a huge volume of water, that of the whole tide of the gulf moving through it in both directions on a daily basis. This presently eats away at the depth of the trench which increases by 15 -16 mm per year www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/3021/resea9.html .3500 years of this gives us around 50 meters of erosion. But when the trench was smaller, it would have been eroded faster, because the waters of the gulf would have had to have passed through a smaller channel. So the erosion is less today than it was 3500 years ago. It is not hard to see that the max depth of the land bridge may only have been between 50 or 100 meters in 1513 BC rather than the 205 meters that it is today.

http://www.truebiblecode.com/understanding249.html 

[applehead250609]

So here we have TS redirecting to a picture that Front used in his 31st Dec post:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381542#msg381542

Front wrote:

Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, which was no easy feat. But through guidance & strength from God--- and an "army" (of L.O.V.E.) whose faith remained strong despite the fears and unknowns--- they crossed the Red Sea as "east winds" (whispers) were deLIVEred to divide the waters and create a pathway for them to walk upon.

They were promised a place of "milk & honey" (Exodus 3). This was certainly not a case of "instant gratification"--not by a LONG stretch. There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. And where was this land that was spoken of, "flowing with milk and honey"? They could not see it...but they believed. They pressed on, continuing to Trust in God. They bolstered their faith --- and they never lost hope. It took many years before they finally reached their destination. BUT--- they had enough to survive the journey.
Bottom line: They didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted it.....but they got what they needed, when they needed it.

Extreme "darkness" before the "Light"........

God struck Egypt with 10 plagues --- 1 of them was "Darkness" (Exodus 10:21-23). Complete and TOTAL darkness cast over the land of Egypt. They wandered around aimlessly as good as blind--- not even so much as seeing their own hand in front of their face.

The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).

Thanks Curls  :) !!!
Front's post is very LIGHTing in all this DARK-M-ess ,lol   :lol: but I prefer to "stick" at this:

"If you're not a religious person...it matters not!
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If you're not, then have faith in Michael. "

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Pt3-The Exodus Conspiracy-Upcoming Motion Picture

[loyalfan]

this scares me...........not least because of something i read/saw on the internet,cant remember where.
it said that  a biological war will kill many ....in 2012...and that govements will retaliate.and blame each other.which is what is intended...........as a diversion because it part of the plan to reduce world population .......................omg..............

[Aidan_81]

There should be war {even several wars} in 2012,  even those who follow world news
know they will be on. They are almost on. Don't think politicians gonna hold back for a year!
And who knows what type of weapon will be used, we can expect all kinds of meanness
from them  :| It won't be very peaceful year, but so was 2011 and 2010 and so on. War never stops.
:cry:

oops, going off-topic. Sorry.

[MaryK]

Ron Wyatt....again.... suspicious//
We came across him while discussing about the Ark of the Covenant.

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

warning, this is a super LONG post, I apologise in advance. but thought it better to do this, than repeat posts...

According to the Torah, God hardened Pharaoh's heart so he would be strong enough to persist in his unwillingness to release the people, so that God could manifest his great power and cause it to be declared among the nations,[26] so that other people would discuss it for generations afterward.

Sneaky move there, god.

pharaoh was already stubborn and obstenant against letting gods people go to worship him in the wilderness. god made pharoahs heart non responsive after several failed attempts at getting pharaoh to agree to let the israelites have 4 days in the wildreness to worship and then return to egypt as slaves. god kept pharaoh in that "place of obstenance" to teach him the lesson of humility...  pharaoh's thought of themselves as gods, god proved a point. yes, i guess could be percieved as sneaky. i see it as proving to pharoah who of them is the higher power as well as teaching him humility, because the events or plagues that happened in egypt would be told to many surrounding countries. yaweh or the god of the israelites ensured that all would know who would win this battle and made a lesson out of pharaoh.

@ MJONMIND. i have to politely disagree with you. though i do respect you have your opinion. imho, i think we are all free moral agents with free will. god is love as we have both learned in the bible. so it would be cruel to set people up. uzzah, who touched the ark and was struck down by god, adam and eve, judas iscariot, many many others incl. pharaoh had free will. they chose to use their free will to work against divine purpose / or god. god then unleashed the consequences upon these individuals.

yahweh / god has dignified the human race with the opportunity to exercise free will. god does not force us to obey him.. moses says "I do put before you today life and good, and death and bad. (deuteronomy.30:15) the bible teaches that humans have a choice. either to worship god with blessings in view, or w ecan choose to disobey him and suffer the consequences. (again, here not judging anyone who doesnt believe in god. im writing this to the god believers here. so pls dont take offence anyone  /white flag/)

either way the choice is ours as indicated by continuing to look at deuteronomy.30:16-18 "if you will listen to the commandments of yahweh your god, which i am commanding you today, so as to love your god, to walk in his ways and keep commandments and his statutes and his judicial decisions, then you are bound to keep alive and to multiply and yaweh your god must bless you in the land that you are going to take possession of. but if your heart turns away and you to not listen and you are actually seduced and bow down to other gods and serve them, i do tell you today that you will possitively perish. you will not lengthen your days on the ground to which you are crossing the jordan to take possession of it."

this is also further emphasised in galatians.6:7,8 which states "what a man is sowing, this he shall also reap. he who is sowing with a view to the flesh will reap corruption in the flesh, but he that is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the sspirit"

imho the doctrine of predestination suggests that god is cold, devoid of heart, feeling or compassion. but nothing could be further from the truth. the notion of predestination / fate also undermines two of gods qualities mentioned in the bible "justice and love" - 1 john 4:8

this is just what i have learned from the bible and feel comfortable with. not saying that you are wrong and i am right. but this is what i feel l most comfortable with and wish to share with others.

respect/ you heaps for your love for god and the bible.
@ ANYONE... here is an interesting one for you... let me know your thoughts. it was mentioned by FRONT:

They were promised a place of "milk & honey" (Exodus 3). This was certainly not a case of "instant gratification"--not by a LONG stretch. There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. And where was this land that was spoken of, "flowing with milk and honey"? They could not see it...but they believed. They pressed on, continuing to Trust in God. They bolstered their faith --- and they never lost hope. It took many years before they finally reached their destination. BUT--- they had enough to survive the journey.
Bottom line: They didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted it.....but they got what they needed, when they needed it.

it is interesting to note that the israelites were supposed to recieve the land of milk and honey right after leaving egypt. they were only supposed to be in the wilderness for however they disobeyed god, made a false god (the golden calf) and broke his law by giving worship to an idol. because of this and many repeat offences by the israelites god sentenced them to serve 40 years. a day for each year that they were supposed to be there they were sentenced to the desolate hot wilderness to exist on manna. yes they did get their milk and honey later when they crossed the jordan with joshua as their leader, but they could have had it sooner. they 'extended their own stay' so to speak....

now this makes me think... if the proverbial land of milk and honey is bam... and we are the israelites, and MJ is moses leading us to bam... we what happens if our 'stay' in the "wilderness", which is this time of "unknowns and darnkess" - is extended because of the israelites or "us."

i say this as i recall (and bec you will remember us discussing this previously) that TS mentioned that the "when" of bam may be partially dependant on believers....

here is TS's quote to which i am refering, which is TIAI Level 1:7

Why Would the "Return" Depend on Hoaxers?

Several have asked: why would the timing of the MJ return be dependent (at least partly) upon few thousand hoax believers, and their understanding/accepting the TIAI information?  A simple answer is that the reaction of the few before the return, can be a pretty good indicator of the reaction of the many after the return
{http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1991}.

But think about it.  After returning, MJ can speak publicly about the environment and other issues related to healing the world; but with some aspects, well I think you can figure things out.  As soon as MJ returns, there will be a stampede on all the hoax forums; there will be tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, suddenly interested in what we have been investigating and saying all along.  So if we hoax believers now are united on the reasons for the hoax: it will be much more effective when others come asking questions, than if we are all confused and disagreeing on the reasons for the hoax.

Here is how Mo put it: "It's a process to make people AWARE of what is going on. If you don't research, read, learn and understand, you won't become aware. If S.T.U.D.Y., TS or any Anonymous poster would have told you plain out who he/she is and where all the info he/she has came from, you would not have read the full explanation and wouldn't have learned anything.  TIAI pointed out to conspiracies and NWO, and those issues were rejected by a lot of people until TIAI pointed out to them. Me? Guilty as charged... I skipped the 'Illuminati' threads as well until TIAI forced me to look into this whole issue. After researching it, and not reading up on the conspiracies and NWO only, a lot of things became clear to me." {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1936&start=75}

So if there are any questions or objections that I have not addressed in this thread, please post them in the replies below; and I will answer them directly right here in the replies (I will watch this thread pretty closely, for the next week or two, and respond to things as needed—so as to help clear the way as far as possible for a speedy "Return").

[diggyon]

@Australian MJ  BeLIEver,

another great post. Thank you very much for this information you provided us with.
i also think that we have the freedom to choose the way we are following, otherwise judgement day would be meanless. You can't choose our parents, we can't choose our nationalities, we can't choose to be wealthy or poor, we can' choose our race. But we have the full freedom to choose whom to follow and how to think.

[fordtocarr]

I have a question about TS.  I remember when we began here originally in the forum and S.T.U.D.Y. appeared.  There was research done and didn't we decide whoever it was seemed to be a "preacher" with the name Tim S  something?  Then once we began talking about that, he stopped the semi religious talk, and we got down to serious investigating business.  Then the name changed...who knows if it's the same person or not..as Study, back, front, ts or ts_comments, tiai....  but, he's back to the religious stuff.  True purpose is coming back.  I waited a long time, but I knew it would.
I really miss hearing and learning about Michael.  I get the religion elsewhere.