TIAI December 26

[~Souza~]

It really isn't fun anymore. I believe MJ is alive with all my heart, but this kind of stuff is getting ridiculous. Seriously. We need to get back to the topic at hand...which is MJ. If there's no news...there's no news. I don't want to be lead on a wild goose chase that just passes the time until something newsworthy happens.

No one is telling you you should read topics you're not interested in. So if you think there is no news: take a break. Simple as that.

[anewfan]

It really isn't fun anymore. I believe MJ is alive with all my heart, but this kind of stuff is getting ridiculous. Seriously. We need to get back to the topic at hand...which is MJ. If there's no news...there's no news. I don't want to be lead on a wild goose chase that just passes the time until something newsworthy happens.

No one is telling you you should read topics you're not interested in. So if you think there is no news: take a break. Simple as that.

I'm curious to know if you think the Ark of the Covenant is news, Souza? (I'm being serious in asking this question.)

[bec]

So...anyone knows how the real ark has to look like? The images TS linked to are different. I must say when I read in the Bible how the ark had to be made - I don't fully understand how is it supposed to look.

I think the original point is that NO ONE knows what the ark is supposed to look like and yet that doesn't stop people from trying to recreate it anyway. They don't have the facts so they just make it up.

[~Souza~]

It really isn't fun anymore. I believe MJ is alive with all my heart, but this kind of stuff is getting ridiculous. Seriously. We need to get back to the topic at hand...which is MJ. If there's no news...there's no news. I don't want to be lead on a wild goose chase that just passes the time until something newsworthy happens.

No one is telling you you should read topics you're not interested in. So if you think there is no news: take a break. Simple as that.

I'm curious to know if you think the Ark of the Covenant is news, Souza? (I'm being serious in asking this question.)

I think it's important and I think it will be even more important in times fast approaching. I think ONE of the reasons for this hoax is to make people aware of Biblical truth and to expose the illuminati, and thus also the 8th beast of Revelation. I started studying the Bible because I know that Michael reads the Bible daily and is very religious, plus there have been a lot of clues leading towards the Bible and/or the end of the world. I wanted to understand that, so I started to investigate for myself. The more I study, the clearer it becomes for me what this hoax is all about, aside from the entertainment part.

Besides that, I think the Ark was again mentioned in the news somewhere around 12/21. So in a way it's news, yes.

[anewfan]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Souza.

[Adi]

Besides that, I think the Ark was again mentioned in the news somewhere around 12/21. So in a way it's news, yes.

This article appeared on an Australian news website news.com.au on December 5th 2011:

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Which was probably cut and pasted from this mockery of a "news" website World Weekly News (also posted on December 5th 2011 as well) -   :lol:    :roll:

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[use_your_illusion]

The Ark is confusing but I really don't think they have found it or will ever find it...actually it makes me think of Moses and how God hid his body...till this day no one knows where it is...some of the articles I read about the Ark, say that the ark wasn't as important as finding Moses' body.

...suggests that the central quest was not the Ark but the Tomb of Moses

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I think just like Moses' body won't be found, neither will the ark.

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

The Ark is confusing but I really don't think they have found it or will ever find it...actually it makes me think of Moses and how God hid his body...till this day no one knows where it is...some of the articles I read about the Ark, say that the ark wasn't as important as finding Moses' body.

...suggests that the central quest was not the Ark but the Tomb of Moses

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I think just like Moses' body won't be found, neither will the ark.

agree with you 100% illusion. god ensured no one knew where moses was buried so that the tomb /grave would not be worshiped. the israelites had a problem with a) worshiping man and b) worshiping objects. i believe that he would have hid the ark for the same reasons. i dont believe god will allow it to be found and be iconised / idolised. again, JMO

[nefertari]

I agree too. God will not allow it to be found, but He still wanted it to remain described in the sacred texts and in memory of people in such detail for millennia. Why? And yet the book of Revelation says that at the end of time the Ark of the Covenant will reappear. So?
I'm sure the answers are all in the Bible. We should look for them just there to avoid the mistake.
I find it interesting that God made this promise:

Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
   after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
   and they will be my people.

[ibelieveinmj]

Speaking of Level 7.....and just another strange coincidence/connection with MJDH and bible prophecy.

I read this today,

How Long is a "Day"?

In the Bible, the word "day" can refer to various periods of time.  At Genesis 2:4, for example, the entire creative period of six "days" is spoken of as "the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven."  Each day evidently involved a considerable length of time.  Interestingly, while the Bible specifically mentions the end of each of the first six "days", it makes no mention of the end of the seventh day. Why?  That day is still in progress.

Genesis 2:3  
And God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred, because on it he has been resting from all his work that God has created for the purpose of making.


Hebrews 4:4-6  For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” and again in this place: “They shall not enter into my rest.”  Since, therefore, it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience.

The similiarities are a little eerie and this one surprised me.  Yes, just now  lolol/

God is working on that seventh day (end of the world and his promised paradise on earth we can look forward to)

and MJ is working on Level 7...hopefully the BAM!!!!! 

Off topic but  OMG!

[MJonmind]

Nefertari, I would agree with your statement!  It was part of the old covenant with shedding blood and sacrificing animals--done away with.




Just thinking again about TS's purpose in redirecting to the Ark of the Covenant, when he had promised last week that this week he would finish up 7c.
Could it somehow be connected in some weird way?  It seems the Biblical discussion is running dry.
Any thoughts?  Just collected TS's posts relating as much as possible to 7c.

TS on: November 20, 2011, 01:31:05 AM »


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At this rate, maybe we can wrap it all up by the end of the weekend  ...wouldn't that be great!  But something tells me that no matter what we come up with, the ending to the level will occur on a date that's already been predetermined (maybe Nov 29?).


It's possible that we could finish early.

However, we will finish no later than November 29--even if I have to do 7b and 7c without any help (7a is nearly complete already).

TS on: November 27, 2011, 09:55:43 PM »
With 7a nailed down solid, and a few other pointers, several have already connected dots that were never mentioned before (at least not that I’m aware of); I will be quoting some examples.  However, there is one more VERY important issue that needs to be cleared up at this point; after that, it should be relatively smooth sailing to the destination.

Here is the main question from level 5: “… what if I say that the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans, and killed him according to the exact timing that he had planned?  … Did the Illuminati outthink him, or did he outthink the Illuminati?” {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

All of the 7 levels have been about the “how’s” of the hoax.  Did anyone realize that this question in level 5 was a BIG HINT?  What if the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans in advance, and arranged to kill him at the very time and place when the world already thought he was dead (or on the brink of death)?  That would be the perfect time and place to bump him off.  How could you convince the world that he had been murdered AFTER he was already dead—that someone had indeed killed a dead man???

You can see how HARD it is to convince the public of his hoax plans now, even with all the ADDITIONAL evidence that we’ve had since 6-25-09 (which we would NOT have, if he had actually died on 6-25-09).  Furthermore, even IF you could convince the public that he was killed on 6-25-09, while planning to fake his death, it may never end up in court—the Illuminati may well be powerful enough to keep it out of court.  And to top it all off: even if it went to court, and one or more were convicted for killing MJ while he was trying to fake his death, EVEN THEN you would still have a dead MJ.  This also shows why it would not be a living double: MJ would not intentionally put someone else in a target position like that.

So did the Illuminati outthink him?  Or did he outthink them, AND FLY OUT OF THE COUNTRY HOURS BEFORE THE KICKOFF TIME?  Just in case the answer to that question is not self-evident, Jermaine made it crystal clear in his “airport” slip/clue.  But I’ll save the details on that for another post.

As we go through and continue to debunk some of these long-cherished hoax theories (NONE of which have EVER been supported by yours truly): no doubt it will cause some to fear that MJ really died, and there is no hoax (and this could be the reason for some of the resistance displayed in 7a).  It is true, as Jesus said, that those who build their faith upon the sand will have their house collapse when a storm comes through (see Matthew 7:24-27).

Nevertheless, those who have built their faith on solid theories (such as the numerology, with a $999 reward that nobody has even attempted to collect after more than a year) will not be troubled over the collapse of the long-cherished but faulty hoax theories.  Quite the contrary, the true how’s of the hoax will become quite clear; and then it will be even more obvious that it’s a hoax (not murder, or accidental manslaughter, etc).

And finally, once the how’s of the hoax become clear, then the why’s of the hoax will become even clearer than before.  Understanding the why’s is very important—not only before BAM, but especially after.  And if people who come to this forum after the BAM can see that we have a good solid coherent theory on the how’s, then they will be much more likely to believe that we also have the correct understanding of the why’s.

TS on: November 28, 2011, 11:35:50 PM »
In this post, I’m going to be giving further evidence about one of the reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital (risk of being murdered).  However, the information in this post will go beyond just that; it will also help us to wrap up 7b, and even help us a lot in 7c.
 
 The question here is whether MJ has been facing a real murder danger (at any time, not just 6-25-09), and therefore was his artwork was designed to portray this real danger through entertainment?  Or was the danger just an artistic creation, designed merely for the sake of entertainment?  Once we understand the “how’s” of the hoax, the answer to this question should be very clear.  However, even before completing 7b, I want to show many reasons why this danger is very real; then the rest of 7b should be relatively easy to understand.

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First and foremost are MJ’s beliefs about the Bible, the NWO, and the end of the world.  I have already documented this significantly, so I won’t repeat it here (see Update #1, for example).  For MJ, these beliefs are not just entertainment; they are very real.  There is a real battle between good and evil in this world; it has existed for thousands of years, but it gets much more intense near the end of the world.  And anyone who does not take sides with the evil powers, especially if they are rich and/or famous, will become prime targets of these evil powers (often referred to as the Illuminati). …
Let me share a little secret, about the bitter opposition that I have received for about two years now.  If I had never done anything but promote the fun and games aspects of the hoax, you can be sure that the whole hoax world would have been raving about TS for these last two years.  The opposition is primarily because I support the serious aspects (Illuminati/NWO, end of the world, etc); humanity generally wants to believe that everything is hunky-dory, and all things will continue fine and dandy.  This is precisely the attitude which was prevalent before the flood, as well as Sodom and Gomorrah—and Jesus warned that this would also be the attitude at the end of the world (see Luke 17:26-30).

Luke 17:26-30
New International Version (NIV)
   ²⁶ “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. ²⁷ People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
   ²⁸ “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. ²⁹But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
   ³⁰ “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.

Okay this is a different kind of Ark of protection from disaster, which reminds me of the movie '2012'.

TS on: November 29, 2011, 01:10:48 AM »
Quote from: bec on November 29, 2011, 12:53:46 AMQuote
And this is because I have been giving MJ’s real message, including the serious aspects; and I have NEVER said it was only a movie, or only a sting on the fans and media.
You make comments like this TS... and it makes me want to read between the lines. It is a movie, and it is a sting on the fans and the media... isn't it?

 If you will accept a straight answer: yes, but not ONLY these things!  And if you don't accept a straight answer, then what else can I say?  Well, maybe 7c will also make it clearer.

 TS« on: November 29, 2011, 01:25:15 AM »Quote from: heartwarrior on November 29, 2011, 01:20:30 AMWell then TS - why not come up with 7c so we can deal with the real important stuff? Thank you for your guidance so far!
 Okay, I was already thinking that.  However, I will not put the puzzle piece up for 7b, because there are still things that I want to address (and maybe others as well).  But we can now start discussing 7c.  Aspects of the court: all real, partly real and partly hoax, all hoax.

Does 7c relate to court real or not, and ark of the covenant real or not?  Just asking. :?  Because IDK.

TS  on: November 29, 2011, 02:11:07 AM »Relating to 7c, I want to bring up the following TMZ article:
DR. MURRAY MANSLAUGHTER TRIAL
 Jury Goes Down the Toilet
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The article itself is merely about the jury asking for toilet paper, and paper towels--definitely NOT a newsworthy item.  But the TITLE of the article tells a different story than the article itself.  Also, the picture has three sets of 6 rolls of toilet paper (666).

This was posted on TMZ after the jury made its decision, and before the verdict was announced.  Since La Toya has confirmed that Harvey Levin knows what is going on (and we have seen that for a long time, anyway): they probably knew at the time that the verdict was guilty.

TMZ took the article down, shortly after it was posted on the hoax forum (which means that they were probably watching to see when we posted it here, and then they deleted it on TMZ).  They did not go to all the trouble to create the picture, and post the article, for nothing (only to delete it shortly after).  Therefore, what is the message that we are supposed to get from this article, in relation to the jury and therefore the court?

[Grace]

We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
   each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
   the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:6

[paula-c]

I have not forgotten the level 7, despite the fact that i have participated in the discussion of the ark by that is an interesting topic i have very little involved that i have tons of work, December is the worst month of the year for my /pull hair/

[gwynned]

I'm just going to speculate so here goes.  As I understand it, the Ark is used as a means of communicating directly to God.  And now the Ark is gone and, presumably, our ability to speak directly to God is gone.  I believe this is true for most of us most of the time, if not all of us all of the time, with few exception.  God has left us here to figure it out for ourselves, to willingly choose LOVE over fear, to continue to believe when there is no evidence in God's existence, and to have the freedom to choose our own path.  If the Ark were here and we could communicate directly with God and know his wishes for us, etc., the game would be over. 

Everything I've read about Michael leads me to believe that he is in direct communication with his God.  He has the confidence to lead the way for all of us, his only weapon the knowledge that God is in his heart (as he is in all of ours if we knew how to access it).  We are all like dogs chasing our tails.  Michael has come along and is leading the way out, because unlike the rest of us, his eyes have been opened completely where we, if we are lucky, only have periodic glimpses. 

God, like Mr. V, has allowed us to play the game of separation, so that we could walk on our own, make choices and confront our fears.  Is Michael the 'Ark' that will carry us across?  Is it just about Game Over time?  Michael has shown us in so many ways what it is like to live in God's world....with humor, enthusiasm, LOVE, courage, compassion, etc. 

[everlastinglove_MJ]

The Role of the Ark
The Ark was used in the desert and in Israel proper for a number of spiritual and pragmatic purposes. Practically, God used the Ark as an indicator of when he wanted the nation to travel, and when to stop. In the traveling formation in the desert, the Ark was carried 2000 cubits ahead of the nation (Num. R. 2:9). According to one midrash, it would clear the path for the nation by burning snakes, scorpions, and thorns with two jets of flame that shot from its underside (T. VaYakhel, 7); another midrash says that rather than being carried by its bearers, the Ark in fact carried its bearers inches above the ground (Sotah 35a). When the Israelites went to war in the desert and during the conquering of Canaan, the Ark accompanied them; whether its presence was symbolic, to provide motivation for the Jews, or whether it actually aided them in fighting, is debated by commentators.
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Since TS directed us to the Ark and its different images and reading the posts and studies about many stories and speculations and honestly I'm intrigued to find out what the real ark and the real history is. As we already had plans to visit the Rijksmuseum tomorrow, I think I'm surely going to visit the paintings of Jacob de Wit You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login and the drawings of Jan Luyken You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. I suppose if I haven't read TS's post about the ark, I wouldn't have been thinking of visiting these works. Thanks TS