Aussie, interesting video, but reading comments from medical people, seems they think it's not logical or possible, so IDK.
Chris Angel slowing his heart rate right down, I can buy, but not stopping. Elvis said he did that (with training) while laying on the bathroom floor waiting to be discovered. MJ had plenty of friends who could help him master this art of slowing his heart, and yes we've talked of various substances that could put one into a death-like state, a while back. Especially interesting was the report we were given that UCLA was known to be the hospital that could bring people back from the dead, and I remember thinking could MJ have taken such a huge risk, a death-defying Houdini feat?
Adi
QuoteYes - true that about the rigor mortis bec. So if they wanted to avoid the onset of rigor mortis then a DWD patient possibly took the medication closer to when everything was about to begin.
Reading the DWD compliance forms and info on those links I have ascertained that it may take up to 4 hours for the DWD patient to die from the time the medication is ingested. So this must have been accounted for when the 911 call was made......or more importantly when the paramedics arrived on the scene to begin working on the patient. I recall TS asking us a while ago, to find out what is the longest time a patient has been "dead" and then resuscitated....somewhere in the forum is a link to an article that was found...it was around 2 hours (or a bit more) - I would have to go back and search for the thread to find it. Dr Richelle Cooper testified she did not know the time of death of the patient. Yes she "pronounced" it at 2:26 - but that does not equate to the actual time of death.
Yeah I wondered why TS would ask a question like that. Clearly the most wonderful option would be if MJ actually had his heart stop, and then get a Guinness World Record of longest time dead before resuscitation--I guess more than 2 hours! :icon_razz: Well, Jesus was just under 3 days so that's hard to beat. :icon_rolleyes:
As far as length of time for the pills to take effect for DWD, I posted this story link earlier.
QuoteErika, an elderly nurse, knelt down in front of Kay in her wheelchair and asked, "Are you ready?"
Kay answered, "I sure am." After filling out more paperwork in the room where Kay was going to die, the family hugged and talked and reminisced. They took a photo of themselves on the deathbed, with Kay smiling, squeezed in the middle of her beloved family.
"No one was in a hurry for anything," Lee recalled.
She said Erika "lovingly" asked Kay what she would like to do, whether she would like to talk more.
"Mom said, 'No. Let's go. I'm ready.'"
After Kay swallowed the barbiturate, Erika put her hands on her knee and said: "Have a good journey, Kay. I'll see you on the other side."
Kay fell asleep and began to snore. When Horst said Kay could probably hear what they were saying, they began reminiscing about things their mother and father had done together.
Twenty minutes later, Horst said Kay had "left us."
Erika then opened the door of the room, saying she was "letting Kay's spirit leave."
The family sat for five minutes or more. Horst asked if anyone would like cognac.
"I'd love one," Lee answered.
"We weren't sad. Just tired. We all just thought, 'Oh my God, that was the most powerful experience we could ever imagine.'"
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/fyi/death-with-dignity-and-deceit-84838012.html
