TIAI November 11 (11-11-11)

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And now (drum roll) ... we are at the final level—level number 7!  (7 represents completion).  Now it's time to take everything that we have learned so far (in the previous levels, etc), and put the last few pieces of the puzzle into place.

This is the final frontier for the hoax; the "when's" and "why's" have already been thoroughly established, especially through the numerology—and more than a year has gone by, without anyone even making a serious attempt to claim the $999 reward.  Therefore, the only frontier left is the "how's" of the hoax, which is exactly what we have been going through in the levels; and this is the last of the levels, therefore we are now entering the conclusion of the final frontier—THIS IS IT!

The previous levels were not a waste, because without them we would not be where we are now.  Much of the research has already been done, and some of the pieces have already come together (just like the picture above); but we still have a few major areas that need completed (just like the picture above).  As I have said already, the minor details on the "how's" are not very important (and may never been fully understood); however, for more than one reason, the major aspects of the "how's" should be resolved.

For example, level 3 never really got resolved (who or what, if anything, went to UCLA in the ambulance?).  I am confident that this will be resolved, though, before the end of level 7.  Another major area, that keeps popping up unresolved, is the idea that the ambulance was at Carolwood and UCLA on some day other than 6-25-09; and closely related is the fairly common idea that two or more ambulances were used (supposedly different lettering, reflector, wrong shadows, etc).

There are quite a few such theories floating around, and they all need to be thoroughly debunked for once and for all—so that we can see the simplicity of doing everything as real as possible, other than the very few things that required otherwise (such as the ambulance photo).  There would be no need whatsoever to be running ambulances and firetrucks around town, on one or more days before 6-25-09, like kids playing with their toys.  It would only create numerous opportunities to raise suspicions, at the least.  Also, to NOT have the ambulance at Carolwood and then UCLA on 6-25 would be another sure fire way to raise major suspicions.

The ambulance photo needed to be staged in advance, because of the great difficulty getting a good picture through the window "on the fly"; and if you missed the one chance, you would not get another.  But staging that photo in advance would not raise public suspicion, if it was done indoors.

Also, some seem to think that the ambulance picture was generated from nothing, in good-old "Photoshop"; but the reality is, no matter how good you are at Photoshop, you don't just start from nothing and end up with a high resolution photograph (like the ambulance photo).  Staging the ambulance photo gives you the basic picture(s) to work from; and then you can modify it with Photoshop (such as adding the car reflection, by taking a separate photo of the car, and then layering it in Photoshop with some transparency).

So I want to start this level by debunking all the false theories about the ambulance (such as more than one ambulance, or it went to UCLA on a different day, etc).  There is little point in discussing who or what went to UCLA on June 25 in the ambulance, if we're not even sure whether the ambulance itself went to UCLA on June 25 2009!  I need your help bringing all these theories to this thread, whether you believe in them or not; but please read all the posts in this thread before posting one of these theories, and make sure that it's not a repeat of the same basic theory already discussed and debunked.  Also, anyone can help out in the debunking process as well; this will help us get to the end faster.

8-)

Once that is done (level 7a), we'll move on to level 7b; I probably won't start a new thread, but I will post a picture in this thread of another puzzle piece put into place.  Level 7b will be who or what went to UCLA on June 25, 2009.  When that is resolved, I will post another step in the puzzle pieces coming together; and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court.  When level 7c is done, I will post a picture of the completed puzzle.

penguin/

At this point, I'm going to give you a couple of real good pointers, which should help you as we go through this final level.  Start with the fewest people possible in on it, which would actually be zero and no hoax (MJ really died); and then work backwards from that point—changing nothing from the no hoax scenario, except what is NEEDED to be changed in order to accomplish the hoax.  I already gave you an example with the ambulance: if MJ really died, then the ambulance came to Carolwood and went to UCLA on June 25, 2009.  Don't change that for the hoax, unless there is a need for it to happen on a different day.  And use this same principle, in putting all the pieces together.

Last but not least, here is a real good statement from bec, which she posted in my recent thread about the timing of the 911 call (12:20 or 12:21?).  Keep this concept in mind, because it applies to far more than just the 911 call.  "One good reason I can think of doing an actual call that day (not 911, just a call) is for realism later. It's very easy to keep up appearances if what you are talking about actually happened. Alvarez's testimony and statements, Murray's statements on this documentary, they can be describing an actual staged scene as opposed to just a figment of imagination. Recalling an actual event would give their statements a sense of realism, instead of them simply reciting lines." {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21289.msg370203#msg370203}.

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emulik

November 30, 2012, 02:34:43 PM #3315 Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 02:35:39 PM by emulik
Quote from: SimPattyK on November 30, 2012, 01:57:31 PM

I just simply can't believe you guys are actually depressed and confused  :icon_eek:  :suspect: :animal0017: WTF!? :animal0017:

I guess I am the only one happy here, as I said in my long reply here to TS posts, to me there are many things that I understand better now, yet there are still some unclear things! mostly due to the FBI involvement and to the fact that as TS himself said it: not even MJ knows everything that happened "that day"!

So what more do you want? It's very clear! We won't have ALL the answers regarding what exactly happened on June 25th!
So what!??
That doesn't change the fact that Michael is alive and he's gonna BAM sooner or later by January 2013!

Come on guys cheer up!!
We've even had Front & TS acknowledging themselves on this same thread!! With TS blatantly telling us that Front = MJ!!
Isn't that reason enough to PARTY!!??  :penguin: :multiplespotting: :beerchug:

you said/wrote it right Sim, there is no reason to be sad, confused or in depression. It is not over yet! we are not in the end of hoax tunnel, some time still lefts..please be patient and we will see the result of Michael`s master plan.

"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

SimPattyK

November 30, 2012, 02:41:05 PM #3316 Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 02:44:52 PM by SimPattyK

To all those who base their judgments on religious/spiritual/emotional beliefs, remember what TS said more than once: leave emotions aside! use logic and existent evidence to reach to a correct conclusion, closer to reality !
Whether we like or not that reality!

And IMO, the reality is this:
- A DWD patient was indeed involved (GOD bless his soul!)
- FBI had the major say in this!
- The whole thing is perfectly covered up with a lot of info that will remain classified long time after!
- Michael had little to say in the sting operation, but he was left full authority regarding most part of the hoax (memorial, funeral, TII, Murray trial & all the the adjacent hoaxy artistic activities)
- we can't possibly ever have the answers to all our questions about this elaborated PLAN that started years ago and involved Government officials!
- those who expected to know everything and those who are disappointed in the use of a DWD patient, have 2 options: deal with it and accept the situation OR continue to whine about it.

jono

November 30, 2012, 02:55:21 PM #3317 Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 02:56:19 PM by jono
Quote from: bec on November 30, 2012, 11:52:50 AM

You guys are all very sweet, as always, supportive, I thank you.

But here's the problem.

In regards to what we know: I think I know a lot of things. I use the same logic and same common sense methods to evaluate a lot of information, and the same brain that thought it knew what was up with Level 7 is the same brain that I use when I say I (think) I know that MJ is not dead. Same methods, same investigation skills, same access to same information.

You follow?

Doesn't bode well for my ability to discern truth in anything.

Evidence for DWD patient is same evidence for Dead MJ.

Hey bec, don't be so quick now! Remember.. MJ is a prankster! He is not going to give away all the answers just like that...
I am sure he wants to play us a little bit as well!

Some surprises saved for BAMsday (and after) I am sure...  :D

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." - Albert Einstein

mindseye

November 30, 2012, 03:35:08 PM #3318 Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 03:53:01 PM by mindseye
Quote from: SimPattyK on November 30, 2012, 01:57:31 PM

Come on guys cheer up!!
We've even had Front & TS acknowledging themselves on this same thread!! With TS blatantly telling us that Front = MJ!!
Isn't that reason enough to PARTY!!??  :penguin: :multiplespotting: :beerchug:

Exactly!
Quote from: BeTheChange on November 30, 2012, 01:32:25 PM

... Not to mention the fact that ALL of this was never about any one person or any one of 'us'....it's primarily been about Mike and whatever/whoever the FBI is investigating.  Our role has been as 'observers' invited to observe...and the goal was to become greater than when we began the journey.  No matter what our reasoning along the way....right or wrong (and we've all been wrong at different junctures along the way)....we have ALL become greater for the experience.

Yes! I believe there is so much more to the story, perhaps we'll never know some things, especially with FBI involvement...or if they're trying to catch a whole string of 'gangsters'.  Whatever the case - it's about money, injustice, media manipulation... 'they' are all in it together.
And as he stated in TII  'It's an adventure, it's a great adventure'   :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
It's been an amazing journey. I've had doubts along the way, but something in me says... hang in there.   :icon_e_biggrin:
Quote from: jono on November 30, 2012, 02:55:21 PM

Hey bec, don't be so quick now! Remember.. MJ is a prankster! He is not going to give away all the answers just like that...
I am sure he wants to play us a little bit as well!

Some surprises saved for BAMsday (and after) I am sure...  :D

It's all for LOVE he said.  And for justice.
I agree, a Thriller is full of suspense, twists and turns. Expect the unexpected... all can do now is wait and watch.
'Money...Lie for it Spy for it Kill for it Die for it They'd kill for the money Do or dare'

Dontwalkaway

IMO, nothings changed just because we are still waiting for TS to respond.  I don't think we will find out every detail anyway.  Maybe TS just needs more time ?  IDK  Maybe there's a lot more to the story.   Just be patient and we'll see what happens.   "Keep the Faith",  "Keep Your Head Up".

:icon_albino:

"And when that flag blows
There'll be no more wars
And when all calls
I will answer all your prayers"

Chorus from the song "Cry",  Invincible Album

SimPattyK

Quote from: Dontwalkaway on November 30, 2012, 03:36:38 PM

IMO, nothings changed just because we are still waiting for TS to respond.

We shouldn't wait for TS to respond anymore. He clearly said that he would rarely if never write here until the BAM!
And I think he has already given us everything that he COULD give us in terms of explanations and clues!
We should rather wait/focus on the BAM now and hopefully, we'll have some more "after-BAM" explanations! if there will be any! Because there's definitely MORE to find out, but who knows if we'll ever find out more than we were allowed so far!

I also hope...that TS & Front will continue to post now and then...even if it's ONLY to "drop" some more "mini-BAMs", like TS did today  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

Quote from: Dontwalkaway on November 30, 2012, 03:36:38 PM

Just be patient and we'll see what happens.   "Keep the Faith",  "Keep Your Head Up".

:bearhug:


curls

Please can everyone really read TS's posts - I see already some people are re-hashing points he has supposedly cleared up today.

Having said that, he's always said for us not to blindly believe him, because he doesn't know, MJ doesn't know, FBI are the only ones who know - so what chance have we got then - seriously?

I feel for you bec, but TS has always shown great respect for you and your analytical thinking - I'm sure he wasn't tricking you or trying to show you up.  :bearhug:


finfin

Quote from: diggyon on November 30, 2012, 10:05:24 AM

Sorry to say this, but........

at the moment I have mixed feelings! I am sad, sort of disappointed from the FBI, and also happy because finally we have all puzzle pieces put together.
I am sad because according to my religious beliefs the guy who died in Michael's house committed suicide. I am sure many would disagree with me, of course. That's why I will not discuss in details why I see it this way. I'm disappointed from the FBI  because they chose someone who volunteered for this DWD program. There must have been so many other ways to get a dead body. What about people who are sentenced to death? What about people who already died in accidents, or in hospitals! Getting any corpse form UCLA could have been easier in my opinion and the whole act could have been completely different.
I am not a genius, like Michael to put such a plan. But I'm sure that this DWD thing could have been prevented somehow.
Anyway, the guys is dead. I guess we should all pray for him, as many of you have posted! I just wonder how did his family feel while he was all alone determined to leave our world for good? I wonder how every body in Michael's house felt after seeing this guy dead, after he was talking to them maybe an hour before he died! It must have been a sad scene! Did this guy suffer while dying? Did anyone know how he was feeling while dying? I am sure it was not the case because he had to be left alone! In all the cases I know people prefer to die among their families because they will never see them again.
But again, who cares! His death is legal, no doubt!

Once again, thank you TS for the information given to us. Now we can move on ...........

Blessings

I can empathise with you @diggyon and tbh I don't feel good about this - it doesn't feel right. Also where are the children in this situation? I can't see Michael involving them in this scenario - very sorry
 

"Consciousness expresses itself through creation. This world we live in is the dance of the creator." Michael Jackson

JesusLover05

If a DWD patient died in Michael Jackson's house, does this mean Michael Jackson is alive?


everlastinglove_MJ

November 30, 2012, 04:57:13 PM #3324 Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 04:59:28 PM by everlastinglove_MJ
Quote from: Thriller4ever on November 30, 2012, 06:25:05 AM

Quote from: Sarahli on November 30, 2012, 06:18:33 AM

Yes may God bless this person's soul.

Thank you TS and bravo. Finally the puzzle picture is complete.   :woohoo2: :smiley_abuv:

I bet Front will give you an "N" for Neat or should I write _eat , we've been given food on a silver platter after all so I guess that fits perfectly.  :icon_lol:

:thjajaja121: nice one sarahli !!!
+1

May this person rest in peace, respect.

Thank you TS, for explaining and showing us the completed puzzle. Indeed _eat food for thoughts.

LOVE & faith

It's all for L.O.V.E.

hesouttamylife

Anyone familiar with the term "catfish" in reference to online relationships?  I'd be careful not to put 100% trust in anyone who claims to always know more than anyone else about just about everything.  I'm just saying be careful how much influence you allow what someone else thinks to have over you.  Mind games are played everyday sometimes to the detriment of innocent people.  It's cool to listen to other reasoning and give people the benefit of the doubt SOMETIMES.  But no one is right ALL THE TIME.  Don't be misled.  Know who you are and live by your own truth.

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue."

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World...
   and leaving me Speechless!

"True goodbyes are the ones never said

RK

Just simply.........Thank you TS for the whole 3+ years. You stuck it out with us the whole way.
Love and Blessings to you and yours my brother.


ashprak247

All we gotta do is now wait for the BAM.

Like TS said he won't post now but will AFTER bam.

Thank you TS for the journey and adventure. What a great adventure as Michael said.

Now is the time for patience for Michael to return before the 1st January 2013.

Patience is a virtue.


paula-c

Quote from: mjptd on November 30, 2012, 02:29:14 PM

Quote from: paula-c on November 30, 2012, 02:06:32 PM

many people through their way of life and its usual conduct parameters reflect its belief that this life is all there is. If the disease brings to the life of a human being pain unbearable, if living becomes unbearable and miserable, if appears old age with a costly weight and meaningless, and this life is all there is, you need to escape. Many say that they have the right to leave through the medium they create more lawful. They are based on the principle that is well what humans choose freely, explain its decision on unrestricted autonomy. The goodness of the acts is the result of the free choice of every human being.
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quote] I'm not saying  that I'a against the death sweet, anything. I do not see Michael to use the suicide of anoyher human being as a way out or for artistic purposes or for any other purpose. I think it's immoral.

In these cases the decision to die is the person who is sick, I do not believe that all this was done with artistic purposes , and I do not know what MJ is capable of doing or not why I dont know him personally.

bec

Well I guess it couldn't have gone any other way, really, what other response from TS could I realistically expect?

But let it be a lesson to me that negative thoughts do not serve the self well as I went to work today like any other but feeling very down in the dumps and had a horse fall on me and now my foot is terribly injured. I have no health insurance and so cannot afford to see a doctor so I better change my attitude and hope it heals naturally. God Bless America.

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