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[diggyon]

Yeah, it sounds good, but I ask, the illuminati picked the very day that added up to all the right numbers to do that???
And also, so we're saying in the scenario that Michael really was using all those drugs, and propofol nightly to sleep while his kids were in the house??
And, it the illuminati did kill someone they had gone to get Michael to kill instead, that means Michael wouldn't ever be safe to return, because you can't KILL the illuminati or stop them ever.
And, if it is possible to catch them, there's always another.
And, what are the continuing clues for if he's not coming back?

Just asking ;)

I'm sure someone or something was sent to the hospital. May be there has been a set up for the guy who tried to kill MJ because Michael new it before and those who tried to kill MJ just killed the wrong guy and he is the one who was sent to the hospital. And because the Illuminati is not going to make it public that they killed the wrong guy this was never published.... Does this make any sense????

Best theory ever! :lol:  suspicious//

Maybe a live double went to Carolwood that night in place of Michael (perhaps MJ was tipped off the illuminati were going to make their move---->would explain the secret "dressing room" meeting at Staples Center and Alvarez watching the entrance/exit to the stage)

Maybe even Murray was contracted to do the "hit", but couldn't and told Michael...or maybe his medications had been tampered with to make it look like an accident and they both figured it out before hand. Michael told Murray "I tested you and you passed", maybe MJ knew that's how the illuminati would try to get to him...who knows?! (Although AEG was quick to distance themselves from saying they had anything to do with hiring Murray....things that make you go hmmm....)

A really good double could fool someone at a glance...at the very least a few seconds here or there and even more so if they do not have to speak or move.  If illuminati did get the wrong guy, they aren't exactly going to shout it to the rooftops....they are just going to let things play out (i.e. MJ's hoax).

If the FBI stepped in, I could see people "doing as they are told", and "saying what they need to say".

Remember Chernoff said in court...."Dr. Murray (Michael) IS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE!"  ;)

Sounds just as incredible as any other theory at this point....

May be there has been someone who was leaking the information about the hoax and Michael knew it, didn't stop him in order to complete the set up and turn it against them. So according to Michael's plan the numerology is perfect and that's what they have been using, but didn't know about the other plan or the set up......

[Sarahli]

I'm sure someone or something was sent to the hospital. May be there has been a set up for the guy who tried to kill MJ because Michael new it before and those who tried to kill MJ just killed the wrong guy and he is the one who was sent to the hospital. And because the Illuminati is not going to make it public that they killed the wrong guy this was never published.... Does this make any sense????

Michael wouldn't want someone to be killed. It's like a sacrifice you're describing. Seriously Diggyon do you really think that Michael would be okay to send a double to death? And we ruled out the living double because too risky when considering the potential Illuminati threat...

TS

This also shows why it would not be a living double: MJ would not intentionally put someone else in a target position like that.

[GINAFELICIA]

I'm sure someone or something was sent to the hospital. May be there has been a set up for the guy who tried to kill MJ because Michael new it before and those who tried to kill MJ just killed the wrong guy and he is the one who was sent to the hospital. And because the Illuminati is not going to make it public that they killed the wrong guy this was never published.... Does this make any sense????

Michael wouldn't want someone to be killed. It's like a sacrifice you're describing. Seriously Diggyon do you really think that Michael would be okay to send a double to death? And we ruled out the living double because too risky when considering the potential Illuminati threat...

TS

This also shows why it would not be a living double: MJ would not intentionally put someone else in a target position like that.

I agree.

[diggyon]

I'm sure someone or something was sent to the hospital. May be there has been a set up for the guy who tried to kill MJ because Michael new it before and those who tried to kill MJ just killed the wrong guy and he is the one who was sent to the hospital. And because the Illuminati is not going to make it public that they killed the wrong guy this was never published.... Does this make any sense????

Michael wouldn't want someone to be killed. It's like a sacrifice you're describing. Seriously Diggyon do you really think that Michael would be okay to send a double to death? And we ruled out the living double because too risky when considering the potential Illuminati threat...

TS

This also shows why it would not be a living double: MJ would not intentionally put someone else in a target position like that.

NOOOOOOOOO Sarahli, I would never say something like that about Michael. Never ever!!!!!!!
I am also not sure about that theory of mine. I mean that there was really someone betraying Michael somehow and trying to kill him. Then there has been a set up planned by Michael and when the Illuminati were there they just killed this guy....... and it was his body that was sent to the hospital.... well it's just a theory.....  :?: :?: :?:

[mimi248]

I'm sorry i don't understand why talking about " mj died/resurection", is OFF TOPIC. Because, as i notice, it COUD be a possibility, in no way i say it IS true, but why  it is off topic? you want to resolve the puzzle no? :(. ( sorry for my english!!)

[suspicious mind]

come on truth it's about time you came out of hiding , we need you!
the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth . amen!

[GINAFELICIA]

...
I get what you are saying, but that would mean MJ's original plan was to be on the scene all the way. Or MJ's plan was never being on scene the whole day, because he already knew their plan and therefore leaked false information.

Well, I think you still didn't quite get it.

MJ's ORIGINAL plan was to NOT go to the hospital, because of the POSSIBILITY that someone MIGHT leak the hoax (which would be a risk whatever his plan was, but especially IF his plan was to go to the hospital--therefore, that was not his plan).

So it wasn't MJ in the ambulance.

This is the one photo that shows the stretcher entering UCLA emergency....not that clear, but might help us decide what went to UCLA that day...The body does look alot bigger than MJ's....
God bless

And by the way, all of this would have been caught on security camera above the emergency doors..

I wonder whether the FBI made UCLA hand over the video so that it could not be sold to the media !!!!  Or, should we be wondering why it has not been shown by now.

Well, looks like the "nothing went to UCLA" can be thrown in the trash bin. There is clearly something/someone on the stretcher.

Yes, that is one strong point against the nothing theory.  And we also have the testimony of Sharon Sidney, so that is two strong points.

A third strong point is the nothing theory would require ALL of the paramedics in on the hoax (which nobody has offered even ONE strong point, that I know of, much less two or three).  And it would also require ALL of the UCLA staff who worked the situation, to be in on it.  Again, why have so many in on it?

Some have said that the area was restricted, so they could control who came into the room.  While that is true, regarding the public and certain hospital staff; it is hard to know in advance every staff person who might be there that day, with authority to enter a restricted area (or at least thinks that they have authority, and decides to go in and "help out").  Randy said that there was a "... flurry of activity going on behind this curtain in the E -- um, emergency room ..." {33:49, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDEdX5HlGDU}.

So the "nothing" in the ambulance theory is excluded.

Looks to me like you know not all the paramedics are in the hoax. And also not ALL UCLA staff who "worked the situation" (you mean who worked on the body/saw the body?)

TS looks like we are left with the corpse theory and dummy theory...but you said in the original post that you never supported any of the theories  WTF??

TS ..please!! Please come here and give us a little more, we're not progressing and it's almost 29 :-\

[~Souza~]

I'm sorry i don't understand why talking about " mj died/resurection", is OFF TOPIC. Because, as i notice, it COUD be a possibility, in no way i say it IS true, but why  it is off topic? you want to resolve the puzzle no? :(. ( sorry for my english!!)

There is another thread for that mimi, not this one.

[Adi]

Would Michael really let someone be a target for him? I strongly doubt it VERY much.

As for Blount - my thoughts are initially he was not in on it and that Senneff was in.

I am also changing my thinking from a dummy to the corpse theory because of Blount's testimony and the way TS seems to be heading with some posts - plus I went back and re-read some of the earlier levels from TS and looking back on them now...well there are a few interesting hints in them regarding using a corpse (I'll see if I can find the parts a bit later and post them here)

Anyway - Blount testified that he thought the patient was already dead and that he had flatlined on the heart monitor which Senneff had put on the patient. Which sounds pretty much corpse-like to me.

In Blount's conversation with Sharon Sidney at UCLA he apparently said to her that he did not think the patient was Michael Jackson and then she got upset when he changed his testimony during the trial.

So perhaps a corpse was used, Blount wasn't in on it initially, however being an experienced paramedic maybe he asked questions that were getting too tricky and then he had to be brought in to keep him quiet?? Maybe that's why he looked so uncomfortable on the witness stand.

IDK.....with all of the above and the fact the house staff were told to leave before the stretcher came out I am now heading towards a corpse being used as well. If the FBI are involved then I guess anything is "do-able". I don't have a big problem with it because I am sure it would have been done very respectfully. If there was another option they would have used it - but if a corpse was the most realistic for Michael's safety, then so be it.

Also - wasn't there some private funeral or something like it at Forest Lawn the morning of the burial outside on the lawn for MJ???? I recall footage of this and people standing around under a marqee......maybe this was the burial for the corpse they used?

[~Souza~]

Gina, can you please stop posting a dozen posts? It's pretty annoying and the thread gets extremely long and confusing because of it. Please collect your theories and questions in one post, instead of posting a new one for every word.

[Snoopy71]

I'm sure someone or something was sent to the hospital. May be there has been a set up for the guy who tried to kill MJ because Michael new it before and those who tried to kill MJ just killed the wrong guy and he is the one who was sent to the hospital. And because the Illuminati is not going to make it public that they killed the wrong guy this was never published.... Does this make any sense????

Michael wouldn't want someone to be killed. It's like a sacrifice you're describing. Seriously Diggyon do you really think that Michael would be okay to send a double to death? And we ruled out the living double because too risky when considering the potential Illuminati threat...

TS

This also shows why it would not be a living double: MJ would not intentionally put someone else in a target position like that.

NOOOOOOOOO Sarahli, I would never say something like that about Michael. Never ever!!!!!!!
I am also not sure about that theory of mine. I mean that there was really someone betraying Michael somehow and trying to kill him. Then there has been a set up planned by Michael and when the Illuminati were there they just killed this guy....... and it was his body that was sent to the hospital.... well it's just a theory.....  :?: :?: :?:

People around Michael did say he was "afraid for his life"....that someone is trying to kill him.  Whether this was legitimate or perhaps another hoax angle is uncertain.

I don't think the use of a "human shield" (live double) was even seriously considered (which is why I doubt the corpse scenario either).

Honestly, I wondered about the "secret meetings" that night, or the change in routine, and the whole "covert" happenings that night by witness'....someone definitely wants us to pause and think there was something sinister or extremely dangerous going on.

*Edit...what I can't seem to wrap my mind around is how anyone can support the corpse theory, yet think that Michael would never use a human shield?

So, MJ would never put someone in harms way, but if he has a corpse in his home, or uses one at the hospital, then that's okay?!   :?

....someone explain that to me like I'm a four year old....'cause I don't get the logic.  :|

[GINAFELICIA]

Sorry Sou, I'll try. You delete those 2 from above where I wrote "deleted"

@Adi I tend to agree with you, but can you please explain why you think Senneff is in ?

[Im_convincedmjalive]

Oh ok now you say it. This whole time I was under the impression that 2:26 was important because it made it into the list that Souza posted on the other page. It was actually the 2nd thing you wrote for the numerology aspect. This has been a long held belief and it was important enough for others as they have used that as a reason for Cooper to be in on it.  fresse/ ;)

Nobody would be in on it, MERELY to fulfill the numerology.  However, those who were already in on it, were used to implement the numerology and timing.   For example, coroner was needed to be in on it, so coroner was used to finalize autopsy on 9-9-09; but if coroner was not already in the hoax for other reasons, they would not be brought into the hoax just to put 9-9-09 on the report.

The numerology list (see below) was not given in order of importance, rather it was given in chronological order (sequence events happened) and/or logical order (similar concepts together, such as 1998).  But 2:26 is least important because it is not divisible by 111; it does not point directly to end of the world (1221), it does not point to NWO upside down (999), it does not point to death date (2040), etc.  However, it does help validate that 12:21 was planned (see b and c, below).

a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from "death" to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from "burial" to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)

Thank you for these extra details. For me I can understand MJ's thought process more clearly regarding the numerology. The bolded and enlarged texts are great clues when it comes to deciding whether or not someone is in the hoax or not. The example for the coroner can be applied to Blount. Blount would not be brought in after the fact just for his testimony. For me regarding Blount's testimony during the trial he is speaking as a professional and he is trying to remember as best as possible an incident that had happened over 2 years before. Blount has gone on many 911 calls and helped many patients so for him he is recalling to the best of his ability.

Regarding his conversation with the fan at the hospital it is my belief he said he agreed as a lay person and not as a professional. Blount IMO was talking to the fan during a casual convo. His testimony would change during the trial because now he is back in professional mode.

[Adi]

Sorry Sou, I'll try. You delete 2 of them please.

@Adi I tend to agree with you, but can you please explain why you think Senneff is in ?

The main reason is because Senneff wrote the paramedics report with all the inconsistencies - wrong DOB, incorrect spelling of Michael's name etc, and his version of events regarding what was happening in the room when they arrived matched up with Alvarez's testimony (who I think is definitely in on the hoax)

[mimi248]

i saw TS said " Ps. It seems very in character for MJ to be on site for this entire production. Throughout the years he seems the type to be directly involved in all aspects of his work, and not one to direct remotely. For that reason, I lean towards MJ being on scene at Carolwood, and I still favor him being "the body" that went to UCLA that day. The kid in me wants to think he took the helicopter ride, and performed the grand finale of jumping out of the back of the coroner van too  "
hope i helped :s