Quote from: TS_comments on November 25, 2011, 02:34:11 AM
Here we are now, at level 7b. :geek:
We have only a few days left (until 11-29), but 7b and 7c should fall into place rather quickly—especially since I will be handing much of it out on a silver platter.
In 7a, we have debunked the multiple ambulance theories; and have shown that the ambulance videos were both taken at the same time on 6-25-09. Discussion on that subject is now closed on this thread, unless you have read all the previous posts on this thread and have something NEW to contribute; even then, you MUST fulfill ALL THREE of the conditions outlined already (and if you don't know what they are, it's because you have not read everything yet). If you go ahead and post without fulfilling these conditions, then expect that your post will be deleted. This is in the interest of keeping on topic; and to avoid cluttering this thread by going over the same ground again and again, merely for the sake of those who are too lazy to read what has already been thoroughly debunked.
One of the clearest ways to know when a theory has been irrefutably debunked, is when those who are still trying to defend the debunked theory have no EVIDENCE left to support the theory—and so they resort to any and all tactics OTHER than evidence, such as insinuating bad motives, or claims of secret evidence which can't be shared, etc (notice that I have ALWAYS used evidence which is readily available on the internet). And these things have already showed up here in 7a, therefore anyone who REALLY wants the truth (and is not merely CLAIMING to want the truth) may know that all the video-taped ambulance events did occur at Carolwood on June 25, 2009.
It is important that we understand 7a correctly, because it's a solid foundation upon which we can build to find the answer for the main question in 7b (what went to the hospital in the ambulance?). For example, since the video events really happened on 6-25-09, we need to start thinking about all the people who were already at the residence (before any LAFD arrived)—were they ALL in on it? If so, why? And if not, what would keep them from finding out (and spilling the beans)?
Remember this statement, which I made at the beginning of this thread: "Start with the fewest people possible in on it, which would actually be zero and no hoax (MJ really died); and then work backwards from that point—changing nothing from the no hoax scenario, except what is NEEDED to be changed in order to accomplish the hoax."
For example, do you think that Kai Chase was in on it? If so, why? Would she NEED to be in on it, and what EVIDENCE is there that she is in on it? In fact, have you ever considered whether the CHILDREN were in on it initially (or just informed afterward)? And again, what EVIDENCE do you have on this?
Some have claimed that MJ would or would not do things a certain way, merely because it does or does not fit his habits or personality. For example, some say he would love to be in the middle of the action; and he is a prankster, therefore that fits with him riding to UCLA, sitting up in the stretcher, riding the helicopter, hopping out of the van, etc.
Although the above is correct in a general sense, it is not correct in relation to this hoax. Please notice the following, from TII (also in the puzzle above): "LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SEEN HIM BEFORE"! This alone should tell us that the TII production is DIFFERENT from what we would normally expect out of MJ. The hoax is the biggest and most important production of his life; and he would not risk having it all ruined, merely so that he could have some fun riding around town in an ambulance, helicopter, and van.
Far more important than the fun, is the SUCCESS of the project. If the first attempt failed, there would not be another opportunity ever again. The timing and numerology would never be as good again; and worse than that, the public would be expecting it the second time—so everyone would question his "death" on a second attempt. And speaking of success, notice this statement about The Illusionist: "... the masterful illusion that has been so SUCCESSFULLY planned & implemented." {http://tinyurl.com/cc5bzx6}. So let's be looking for a coherent theory, where SUCCESS is of utmost importance.
To make it as easy as possible, I'm going to go through a process of elimination here in 7b. I am going to start by showing that MJ did not go to the hospital in the ambulance (in fact, I have already started this process, in those last two paragraphs above); then I will go through other possibilities, one at a time (living double, nobody, dummy, corpse). And for each step in the process, I will be using at least two or three different strong points—which is a very good principle to use in all cases, not just this hoax investigation.
As we go through and continue to debunk some of these long-cherished hoax theories (NONE of which have EVER been supported by yours truly): no doubt it will cause some to fear that MJ really died, and there is no hoax (and this could be the reason for some of the resistance displayed in 7a). It is true, as Jesus said, that those who build their faith upon the sand will have their house collapse when a storm comes through (see Matthew 7:24-27).
Nevertheless, those who have built their faith on solid theories (such as the numerology, with a $999 reward that nobody has even attempted to collect after more than a year) will not be troubled over the collapse of the long-cherished but faulty hoax theories. Quite the contrary, the true how's of the hoax will become quite clear; and then it will be even more obvious that it's a hoax (not murder, or accidental manslaughter, etc).
And finally, once the how's of the hoax become clear, then the why's of the hoax will become even clearer than before. Understanding the why's is very important—not only before BAM, but especially after. And if people who come to this forum after the BAM can see that we have a good solid coherent theory on the how's, then they will be much more likely to believe that we also have the correct understanding of the why's.
I am working on 1 part of your suggestions. The bolded and enlarged part is what I will be focusing on for right now. I am starting with the least people in on it (0) and MJ dead, only changing what needs to be in order to pull off the hoax. In my theory the only 2 people who needed to be in on it (at the house) for this to work (in this phase) would be Murray and Alvarez. I wrote about Alberto here: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21319.msg373008#msg373008
Every other person at the house before the LAFD showed up didn't need to have a direct role (at that time) for the Illusion to be successful. I will talk about that in another comment.
I am adding videos of LAFD/Paramedic Senneff. He is stating what happened that day when he worked on Mr. Jackson. He is describing what he did and his fellow co-workers did that day. There is alot of info in the videos that will answer many questions that are being brought up in the last few pages. Heron that you spoke about in your other comment is a LAFD/Paramedic. He is described as the one who did the CPR on Mr. Jackson while in the room at the house. Everyone who arrived at the house from LAFD did their job as they would for any other patient. The only thing I am changing now is substituting a corpse/cadaver for alive MJ.
Blount intubated the corpse/cadaver and Senneff says it is difficult to intubate (he doesn't say if it is difficult on a dead or alive person) just that it is difficult. Maybe for him it is but, for Blount it was a breeze and Senneff was surprised. Some people have natural talent in areas that others do not.
Senneff says there was no heart activity on his machine that he hooked up to Mr. Jackson. That makes sense since the patient is already dead. No surprise there. There was no pulse on the patient and Murray just said that in order to move to the next phase of the hoax--the hospital.
IMO the 2 DR's who testified are not in on it. Cooper wanted to pronounce MJ dead based off of what Senneff told the nurse and the nurse relayed the info to her. Cooper never even saw MJ before she decided to call time of death. At Murray's urging the Paramedics decided to keep going in their efforts to save MJ. At the hospital it was Murray who urged the DR.'s to keep going and it is my belief that he finally said at the correct hoax time of death (2:26) ok you can call it. I have wrote about my theory regarding Murray being the influence on Cooper to call time of death in another thread. I have limited what I have wrote before to save time. I will post those at another time. typing/
