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No question the coroner is in on it. I saved these pics off of Craig Harvey's FB account back in 09, taken at the annual coroners party. After questioning Craig he deleted the pics. He responded to several emails though, which is odd in itself, but it seemed his main goal was to make me believe MJ was dead. Of course I acted like I believed he was dead at first just to get answers. Will find the emails as well. But here are the pics. Each table honoured a celebrity that passed away that year. Take note of MJ's pic - pretty clear they knew the pic was not him. hmmm
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginOne of the points that TS is asking discredit is the ambulance, there is the idea that it used two ambulances and one of the reasons it was this video and the explanation was that in reality the end of the video is in fact the initiation.I see we're still divided on Dummy versus LIVE MJ.....hung jury.... /judge/TS.... /white flag/
One of the points that TS is asking discredit is the ambulance, there is the idea that it used two ambulances and one of the reasons it was this video and the explanation was that in reality the end of the video is in fact the initiation.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI see we're still divided on Dummy versus LIVE MJ.....hung jury.... /judge/TS.... /white flag/
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI see we're still divided on Dummy versus LIVE MJ.....hung jury.... /judge/TS.... /white flag/ bangbangThis is a picture which has always made me wonder, remember what La Toya said once when she was on her way into LAX Airport, something about magic, look over here and its over there! :?Well, recently I am beginning to wonder if the "whole stretcher with all the paramedics and Dr Murray" was the distraction!!! afraid/ I know it way out there, but recently it struck me that why would that guy be holding out a coat to shield a person coming out of the ambulance as the stretcher is being wheeled into the hospital. :? The whole body shape, right down the the body language with the guy ducking down arms outstretched towards the outstretched coat, just "reminds me of the body language and posture of MJ at the 02". OK " IM ready SHOOT ME DOWN NOW!! /white flag/ :lol:Its been on my mind for a while now, bearhug
And this version of the arrival at UCLA? Nobody's holding up a jacket and is this Doc Murray in a suit and not in a T-Shirt?[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQx5g5lwAE[/youtube]You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI see we're still divided on Dummy versus LIVE MJ.....hung jury.... /judge/TS.... /white flag/ bangbangThis is a picture which has always made me wonder, remember what La Toya said once when she was on her way into LAX Airport, something about magic, look over here and its over there! :?Well, recently I am beginning to wonder if the "whole stretcher with all the paramedics and Dr Murray" was the distraction!!! afraid/ I know it way out there, but recently it struck me that why would that guy be holding out a coat to shield a person coming out of the ambulance as the stretcher is being wheeled into the hospital. :? The whole body shape, right down the the body language with the guy ducking down arms outstretched towards the outstretched coat, just "reminds me of the body language and posture of MJ at the 02". OK " IM ready SHOOT ME DOWN NOW!! /white flag/ :lol:Its been on my mind for a while now, bearhugUCLA distracting from LAX, I'm all for it
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I am not sure why some of the information is redacted. The death certificate is a State of California document, not a Coroner or County of Los Angeles document. They set the rules on what they deem as “private or confidential”. I can understand redacting surviving family names and addresses and social security numbers, but some of the other stuff escapes my logic capacity. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDIChief Coroner Investigator & Chief of Operations
It is not a picture taken at our office. None of the protective apparel worn matches what we wear and the water faucet is brass and everything in our office is stainless. We do a “Y” incision on the body and this is a straight line incision. There is a person in the background wearing civilian clothes with no protective apparel which we would not allow inside of an autopsy suite. The sides of the autopsy table are higher than ours and it appears to be a fixed table and all of ours are slightly slanted and on wheels. My opinion is that the photo is not authentic and I base that on the area of the photo where the brain is being removed and there is “blood” on the lower portion (top) of the brain, but the upper (bottom) of the brain is “blood” free. The person’s hands are “blood” free and there are dark lines under the decedent’s neck area with whatever is under the neck/head area. The removal of the brain would not be quite so tidy. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Dear Mr.Harvey, My name is *** and I want to apologize before hand for taking up any of your time. I'm Writing a report for my own studies and while I am sure theorists must be bombarding you with questions pertaining to the Michael Jackson case I have one question which I hope you can assist me on. According to documents, Michael Jackson was processed by you and at your facilities. Can you without a doubt state that the body that was handled and the prints that where taken are those of the entertainer Michael Jackson. Basically I am asking if you can confirm That Michael Jackson has actually passed away and the body processed was his.I appreciate your time and I thank you in advance, ***
I can make that statement without any doubt whatsoever. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
OK so your saying that YES in fact you can confirm he is indeed dead?
That is correct. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
That is not our van in the video. It is obvious to me that it belongs to a production/prop company. California “Exempt” plated vehicles no longer have an “E” enclosed in an octagon preceding the number. Due to the number of exempt vehicles in California, the exempt plate is all numerals (I believe 7 digits) and the word “exempt” appears over the numerals, below the name of the state. The one exception might be vehicles owned by the State of California that may still have an “E” inside a diamond. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
The vehicle seen in the video is not ours. We have run the license number and it is not a valid number.
On June 25th, which van are you referring to? The one that went to the helicopter? Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Well, I also saw ONE van on June 25th... It went to the helicopter, a body was loaded into it, and off it went into the parking garage. I have attached a photo of it, and it shows the license plate with number 1236020.
That is our van and the guy in blue works for me. The license plate # of the van in the video is (from what I have been able to discern) 1276021, and does not match any vehicle in our fleet. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
I'm confused now. I already knew the van in the video showing Michael Jackson jumping out of it is not yours. But that video clearly shows the same license plate number. Are you telling me there were TWO vans on June 25th?
They are not the same. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Hereby a picture of both licence plates. I loaded the photos into Photoshop and zoomed in om them. What appeared to be a 3 in the left plate is clearly a 7 when you soon in on the photo of the van next to the helicopter. I know the leaked video is a fake, but your office states that the licence plate number 1276020 is not of one of your vans. How come the original van from the live CNN footage has that number also? The licence number on the CNN-van also looks strange, because the 2's don't match, the 7 is not straight and the 6 looks written on it, it's not round at the bottom. Now can you tell me, is the van showed on the left (from CNN footage) your van?
Do you see the bumper sticker that says “Don’t Abandon Your Baby” underneath the license plate of the van near the helicopter? Do you see it in the video? Do you see our slogan on the side of the van in the video “Law and Science Serving the Community”? Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Yes, I see the sticker and I'm familiar with it. But...did you know that the man wearing black pants and a beige shirt removed it from the van before they pulled away from the helicopter? Please, have a look at this video, and pay attention as from 6.14 until 6.40. You can clearly see that this man removes the sticker, folds it in his hands and then gets back into the van. Here is the link to the video: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
He took off his disposable gloves. The door opening handle is located inside the license plate frame area. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
But that leaves these questions unanswered:I know the leaked video is a fake, but your office states that the licence plate number 1276020 is not of one of your vans. How come the original van from the live CNN footage has that number also? The licence number on the CNN-van also looks strange, because the 2's don't match, the 7 is not straight and the 6 looks written on it, it's not round at the bottom. Now can you tell me, is the van showed on the left (from CNN footage) your van?
The issue as to whether a person’s death falls under the jurisdiction of the Coroner under California law depends on the immediate/suspected cause of death. In certain cases, a private physician may sign a death certificate and the Coroner need not be involved. These deaths are always due to natural causes. In other cases, by law, only the Coroner can sign the death certificate due to the immediate or suspected cause/manner of death, e.g. gunshot wound, hanging, accident, suicide, homicide, etc. The term “under the care of a doctor” or “had a doctor in attendance” means on its’ face that a person had been seen by a physician for a minimum specific period of time and that physician had a medical opinion as to the cause of death. It does not necessarily mean that there was a physician physically standing next to the patient when they died. In most cases, ER doctors do not sign death certificates for the many patients they pronounce dead upon arrival or shortly thereafter each year at their hospitals. Either they legally cannot sign a death certificate due to the cause of death or they simply have limited information on which to base a medical opinion. Because no physician came forward to sign a death certificate, the Coroner had to be notified. Even if a physician had come forward to sign a death certificate, the cause of death would have to be based on documented/known medical history and due to natural causes with no external factors involved. If someone had signed a death certificate with inaccurate information, other physicians who know the patient or family members could contact the Coroner and the Coroner could take jurisdiction if the information is found to have merit. Lastly, the vast majority (99%) of physicians will not jeopardize their profession or their livelihood by signing a bogus death certificate. They have too much at stake should their fraud be detected and reported. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
It is probably mostly semantics. I suspect it has to do with keeping in mind that our clients are people first not an object. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Dear mister Harvey,I have seen your statement on TV about the famous Michael Jackson autopsy.There is something bothering me about your statement. At one point you say:I am here to announce that the coroner has concluded the autopsy for mister Michael Jackson. Well, shouldn't that the an autopsy on or of Michael Jackson?Can you confirm that the LA Coroner's Office actually performed an autopsy on the body of Michael Joseph Jackson (1958) in June 2009, or do you believe the autopsy has been performed by another coroner's office?
That is understandable, I know that things can be taken differently. It's good to know that you still see your clients as persons, and not objects. But can you please answer my other question? After that I promise I won't bother you again.Can you confirm that the LA Coroner's Office actually performed an autopsy on the body of Michael Joseph Jackson (1958) in June 2009, or do you believe the autopsy has been performed by another coroner's office?
I can confirm that the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner performed the autopsy on Mr. Jackson. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
You are a smart man mister Harvey, I thought you would say that, that is why I asked specifically about mr. Michael Joseph Jackson, born on August 29, 1958, died June 25, 2009. Can you confirm that the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner performed the autopsy on that specific person?Because rumor has it that Mr. Ed Winter said that the licence plate number on the coroner's van is not a valid one and is not a van of your office.
I don’t understand what one has to do with the other. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
If the van at the helicopter as we have seen on the live CNN footage was not an official coroner's van, there is a big reason to look at all the other stuff too surrounding his death. I'm not saying he isn't, but a lot of things don't add up here. So I will try once again:Can you confirm that the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner performed the autopsy on the body of Michael Joseph Jackson (born August 29, 1958, died June 35, 2009), or do you believe the autopsy has been performed by another coroner's office?
The van at the helicopter was an official Coroner van and was a 2007 Ford. The video depicts a Ford van, but there are obvious differences between that van and our vans. The van in the video is clearly a production/prop van belonging to a studio or company that provides vehicles to film productions. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
OK fair enough, but my most important question is still unanswered, let me try again:Can you confirm that the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner performed the autopsy on the body of Michael Joseph Jackson (born August 29, 1958, died June 25, 2009), or do you believe the autopsy has been performed by another coroner's office?
Yes I can confirm that and no I do not believe that the autopsy was performed by another Coroner’s office. Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Thank you, and of course I meant June 25, not 35. Can you also confirm that the body of Michael Jackson that you office performed an autopsy on was without doubt the body of Michael Joseph Jackson?
I read some media articles concerning the autopsy result of Michael Jackson. Are these real, or again fake ones?Also, why aren't we hearing anything about the second autopsy?Last question. Since Michael Jackson's legal name is Michael Joe Jackson, instead of Michael Joseph Jackson, wouldn't that mean the death certificate is invalid? I found a document from the government where it says that ones TRUE NAME should be stated, with aka's if relevant.
The official coroner report for Mr. Jackson is available to the public for $82.00. Our Department did not perform the second autopsy. If you are interested in ordering a copy of the Coroner report, please send the abovementioned fee to:
I don't understand. Wasn't the autopsy report already published in the media?
The media has obtained a copy from our office. I am aware that copies are floating around. You are more than welcome to look for it in that manner. However, if you would like a complete, official copy from our office, the fee for it is $82.00. Silvia Gonzalez
Hello ms Gonzalez,I understand, but that copy would be no different than the one I have already, right?If I have questions about the autopsy report, who can I contact for that?
I wouldn’t be able to tell you if what you have is the same unless I took a look at it. As for who you can contact, that would depend on the nature of the question. If your questions is related to the autopsy, you may contact Dr. Rogers at (323) 343-0715. If the question is related to the field investigation, you may contact Investigator Fleak at (323) 343-0714. All other questions, please contact (323) 343-0512 and they will try and assist you. Thank you. Silvia Gonzalez
Do you know why the report wasn't sealed? This is a homicide case and the case is not closed yet. Is it standard procedure to release an autopsy report before a homicide investigation is completed? The report was obtained by TMZ pretty soon after it was finalized and the investigation was still on-going.This is the copy I have of the report: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. I would appreciate it if you could check if it is the report coming from your office.Could you give me the email addresses of Dr. Rogers and Investigator Fleak?
This is a picture which has always made me wonder, remember what La Toya said once when she was on her way into LAX Airport, something about magic, look over here and its over there! Well, recently I am beginning to wonder if the "whole stretcher with all the paramedics and Dr Murray" was the distraction!!!