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You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginWhy not take a police car then?Or hop in the fire truck after everyone raced off after the ambulance?Or one of those undercover police and government cars that are souped up Impalas or Mustangs with the stealth (interior) lights on it. They have right of way too and would attract much less attention then a big box ambulance. Every time the gates opened, they risk one of the "extras" witnessing 2 ambulances inside the gate, then everyone would know there were two departures to watch for. It's hard not to notice an ambulance. They are designed to attract attention for high visibility on the roadway. On the other hand, those undercover police and government cars are inconspicuous and still have emergency lights to stop traffic and move as an emergency vehicle on the road. One could easily be parked in the back garage (that has been depicted in pics on the net since the back gate was discovered in 2009), waiting for MJ to hop in and zip off, undercover of massive ambulance backing out the gate distraction. Why do it the hardest way possible when there's such an easy alternative?I understand what you are trying to say, you make sense, but those types of police cars do not have tinted windows, anyone could see inside.. Unless they would put Michael in the trunk lol...I guess with the ambulance he is in the back and no one can see inside the ambulance.. More protection.. Is there anything easy in this hoax dear Bec? Nope.. My brains are fried lately.. lol... ?That type has ALL the windows tinted. I'm thinking the super stealth speed trap cop cars on the freeways in the US. Plain black or blue mustangs or impalas with super window tint that sit and wait in nondescript roadside places and leap out at you when you go 110 down the interstate on your way home at night. They're not uncommon and they're perfect for the job.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginWhy not take a police car then?Or hop in the fire truck after everyone raced off after the ambulance?Or one of those undercover police and government cars that are souped up Impalas or Mustangs with the stealth (interior) lights on it. They have right of way too and would attract much less attention then a big box ambulance. Every time the gates opened, they risk one of the "extras" witnessing 2 ambulances inside the gate, then everyone would know there were two departures to watch for. It's hard not to notice an ambulance. They are designed to attract attention for high visibility on the roadway. On the other hand, those undercover police and government cars are inconspicuous and still have emergency lights to stop traffic and move as an emergency vehicle on the road. One could easily be parked in the back garage (that has been depicted in pics on the net since the back gate was discovered in 2009), waiting for MJ to hop in and zip off, undercover of massive ambulance backing out the gate distraction. Why do it the hardest way possible when there's such an easy alternative?I understand what you are trying to say, you make sense, but those types of police cars do not have tinted windows, anyone could see inside.. Unless they would put Michael in the trunk lol...I guess with the ambulance he is in the back and no one can see inside the ambulance.. More protection.. Is there anything easy in this hoax dear Bec? Nope.. My brains are fried lately.. lol...
Why not take a police car then?Or hop in the fire truck after everyone raced off after the ambulance?Or one of those undercover police and government cars that are souped up Impalas or Mustangs with the stealth (interior) lights on it. They have right of way too and would attract much less attention then a big box ambulance. Every time the gates opened, they risk one of the "extras" witnessing 2 ambulances inside the gate, then everyone would know there were two departures to watch for. It's hard not to notice an ambulance. They are designed to attract attention for high visibility on the roadway. On the other hand, those undercover police and government cars are inconspicuous and still have emergency lights to stop traffic and move as an emergency vehicle on the road. One could easily be parked in the back garage (that has been depicted in pics on the net since the back gate was discovered in 2009), waiting for MJ to hop in and zip off, undercover of massive ambulance backing out the gate distraction. Why do it the hardest way possible when there's such an easy alternative?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginBesides, there's no need for 2 ambulances. The 2 ambulances theories were not developed to satisfy a hoax requirement, they were developed solely as an explanation for what it appears to show on the video. It appears that at the end of Ben's video, after the cameraman goes running back toward the tour bus, presumably to his parked car, that the picture suddenly smooths out, we see the Fireman placing cones, and the gate closes after we catch a glimpse of an ambulance inside just before the tape cuts. The splice gives it the illusion of 2 takes; as if someone called "cut!" and they were setting up for take 2 when the video ends. This question was answered by noticing that the end :03 or so is actually the beginning of the video, somehow and for some reason, edited in at the end instead. It is not 2 ambulances on Ben's video, it is a video edited out of chronological order. Why this was done, I don't think was ever answered. But it may be the reason is for what we are doing right now.So you have to ask, what's the purpose of 2 ambulances? Is it necessary to have 2? Is it the best way to satisfy the agenda (or would an undercover govt car a better choice)? Is it beneficial? And so therefore, does it make sense that there are 2 ambulances?I don't think it's necessary to have 2, even for the escape theory. I also don't think we have any physical evidence to support the presence of 2 ambulances, nor any benefit to having 2.Bec I have asked this question several times. When the ambulance backs up very slowly, when it leaves, inside the gates more into the court yard there was another ambulance.. If we can see the number on that ambulance it will answer our question. I tried to zoom in but couldn't see much. If someone has an application that can see clearly that could answer our puzzled question. I honestly think there could have been 2 ambulances. Anything is possible with Michael.. You said the magic word it gives the illusion. I just resaw the video, when the ambulance left the fire truck was there, then we saw again the ambulance in the court yard, and the tour truck came by and the firetruck was still there. I will see if any of my friends have special applications so we can see the other ambulance. Bec I will rack my brains more tomorrow, right now I cannot think straight.
Besides, there's no need for 2 ambulances. The 2 ambulances theories were not developed to satisfy a hoax requirement, they were developed solely as an explanation for what it appears to show on the video. It appears that at the end of Ben's video, after the cameraman goes running back toward the tour bus, presumably to his parked car, that the picture suddenly smooths out, we see the Fireman placing cones, and the gate closes after we catch a glimpse of an ambulance inside just before the tape cuts. The splice gives it the illusion of 2 takes; as if someone called "cut!" and they were setting up for take 2 when the video ends. This question was answered by noticing that the end :03 or so is actually the beginning of the video, somehow and for some reason, edited in at the end instead. It is not 2 ambulances on Ben's video, it is a video edited out of chronological order. Why this was done, I don't think was ever answered. But it may be the reason is for what we are doing right now.So you have to ask, what's the purpose of 2 ambulances? Is it necessary to have 2? Is it the best way to satisfy the agenda (or would an undercover govt car a better choice)? Is it beneficial? And so therefore, does it make sense that there are 2 ambulances?I don't think it's necessary to have 2, even for the escape theory. I also don't think we have any physical evidence to support the presence of 2 ambulances, nor any benefit to having 2.
I'm sorry, I have a lot of thoughts on these subjects and I'm just on a roll. I think this is technically off topic but I have trouble with the decoy escape theory in general. If Michael wanted to flee Carrolwood that day he should have left before 12:21 and everything started. Or, conversely, he would be smartest to wait until the Ambulance left and everyone departed, and the world thought he was at UCLA fighting for his life to leave Carrolwood. What would force him to have to leave Carrolwood simultaneously with the ambulance? Even if he was in fear for his life and running from an organized attempt to murder him, 5 minutes behind the ambulance's departure would have tremendously increased his chances of going undetected so why wouldn't he do that?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginBesides, there's no need for 2 ambulances. The 2 ambulances theories were not developed to satisfy a hoax requirement, they were developed solely as an explanation for what it appears to show on the video. It appears that at the end of Ben's video, after the cameraman goes running back toward the tour bus, presumably to his parked car, that the picture suddenly smooths out, we see the Fireman placing cones, and the gate closes after we catch a glimpse of an ambulance inside just before the tape cuts. The splice gives it the illusion of 2 takes; as if someone called "cut!" and they were setting up for take 2 when the video ends. This question was answered by noticing that the end :03 or so is actually the beginning of the video, somehow and for some reason, edited in at the end instead. It is not 2 ambulances on Ben's video, it is a video edited out of chronological order. Why this was done, I don't think was ever answered. But it may be the reason is for what we are doing right now.So you have to ask, what's the purpose of 2 ambulances? Is it necessary to have 2? Is it the best way to satisfy the agenda (or would an undercover govt car a better choice)? Is it beneficial? And so therefore, does it make sense that there are 2 ambulances?I don't think it's necessary to have 2, even for the escape theory. I also don't think we have any physical evidence to support the presence of 2 ambulances, nor any benefit to having 2.Bec I have asked this question several times. When the ambulance backs up very slowly, when it leaves, inside the gates more into the court yard there was another ambulance.. If we can see the number on that ambulance it will answer our question. I tried to zoom in but couldn't see much. If someone has an application that can see clearly that could answer our puzzled question. I honestly think there could have been 2 ambulances. Anything is possible with Michael.. You said the magic word it gives the illusion. I just resaw the video, when the ambulance left the fire truck was there, then we saw again the ambulance in the court yard, and the tour truck came by and the firetruck was still there. I will see if any of my friends have special applications so we can see the other ambulance. Bec I will rack my brains more tomorrow, right now I cannot think straight. That's the beginning of the footage edited into the end All4love.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI'm sorry, I have a lot of thoughts on these subjects and I'm just on a roll. I think this is technically off topic but I have trouble with the decoy escape theory in general. If Michael wanted to flee Carrolwood that day he should have left before 12:21 and everything started. Or, conversely, he would be smartest to wait until the Ambulance left and everyone departed, and the world thought he was at UCLA fighting for his life to leave Carrolwood. What would force him to have to leave Carrolwood simultaneously with the ambulance? Even if he was in fear for his life and running from an organized attempt to murder him, 5 minutes behind the ambulance's departure would have tremendously increased his chances of going undetected so why wouldn't he do that?I have thought the same as you did.. Don't forget this is Michael we are talking about, he kind of loved living on the edge too. So this could have been a challenge for him to see if he could have gotten away with it. Right now like I said it is just sheer specualtions. Why did Michael faked his death? Why did he fake his death in June 25 and not May 25.. These are all hypothetical questions that is extremely hard to get right now. We can speculate as much as we want, all our ideas combined makes sense. All the theories of other members makes sense too. Michael is an intelligent man who is making us going crazy to find out how he made this illusion.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI'm sorry, I have a lot of thoughts on these subjects and I'm just on a roll. I think this is technically off topic but I have trouble with the decoy escape theory in general. If Michael wanted to flee Carrolwood that day he should have left before 12:21 and everything started. Or, conversely, he would be smartest to wait until the Ambulance left and everyone departed, and the world thought he was at UCLA fighting for his life to leave Carrolwood. What would force him to have to leave Carrolwood simultaneously with the ambulance? Even if he was in fear for his life and running from an organized attempt to murder him, 5 minutes behind the ambulance's departure would have tremendously increased his chances of going undetected so why wouldn't he do that?I have thought the same as you did.. Don't forget this is Michael we are talking about, he kind of loved living on the edge too. So this could have been a challenge for him to see if he could have gotten away with it. Right now like I said it is just sheer specualtions. Why did Michael faked his death? Why did he fake his death in June 25 and not May 25.. These are all hypothetical questions that is extremely hard to get right now. We can speculate as much as we want, all our ideas combined makes sense. All the theories of other members makes sense too. Michael is an intelligent man who is making us going crazy to find out how he made this illusion. That is indeed a sheer speculation. Again, anything is possible, but only a few things are probable and plausible. We were given a very clear directive to complete this level and that's what I'm operating under. We know why he chose to fake his death on 6/25/09, we covered those numerological reasons many times. TS referenced those reasons again in the OP of this thread. I disagree we are dealing with hypothetical questions. These are very real, tangible questions. All our ideas do not make sense Some clearly make little sense at all and so they are debunked.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login /bravo/ Grace!!!!! Incredible post!!!! I agree Grace....you get the grand prize for that one! You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
/bravo/ Grace!!!!! Incredible post!!!!
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You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[....]How many dozens of pics of MJ and Murray side-by-side haven't we seen for 2+ years in TMZ. Murray in court wearing a pink tie and elsewhere on the beach with a pink shirt -- Pink Panther anyone?[/size]This is going with the MJ = Murray theory.With this theory I think there WERE doubles or MJ-look-alikes on June 25th who played the role of the MJ who sat up on the stretcher going in to UCLA, the MJ climbing out of the coroner’s van, the MJ climbing into a jet, and the MJ-like guy in the blue shirt inside the gate that we see briefly. These were all intentional decoys/illusion distractions to get the audiences especially hoaxer minds going in another direction (true magician tricks). MJ was in full disguise that whole day – as Dr. Murray getting into the ambulance, then stiding into UCLA, then “spinning” and nervous looking to everyone, striding down the hall as evidence B, or “Exhibit B”, finally exiting the hospital as on the footage. Perhaps ALL other live-looking footage seen on TMZ of CM has been taken even in May (“full out”) or June 9 (mistaken death day), since no fans appear upset at his freedom in public. The CM footage may have been green screened at Culver Studios as part of the Dome Project which would enable changing illusion of height. In this scenario I’m thinking perhaps there was an MJ-like dummy used in the bedroom with the CPR drama played out (same one as in the amb pic, and autopsy pic) with MJ/Murray speaking in the background while the 911 phone call (not real) was made by Alverez, MJ/CM goes with medics and dummy to UCLA, dummy is dealt with as a real body by staff where family “grieves” and Kathy Hilton rubs its feet (in on hoax), dummy sent to coroner who makes fake AR, dummy stays wherever (?) where eventually LaToya and Karen play dress-up with it as long as they need to. When the body moves in the heli, I believe this dummy can be wired to do this even romote control (videos have been posted showing this capability). Remember early on it was said that when the children saw MJ in the bedroom they thought he was playing dead like he'd done before, so they would have really enjoyed playing this game of MJ dressed as a doctor working on a dummy MJ (which they acted out again later in a youtube video.) Also remember Murray loves Katherine like his own mother, his children as his own, and says he's "The Source" suspicious// :lol: (TS) . There was his letter to his patients which sounded just like the hoax plans, and then there was the Youtube video of Murray thanking his (fans) friends for their support. If anyone wants to add a little more details with this scenario I would be pleased, just to test it much further.[...] YESSSS!!! Totally possible! /bravo/I was going to write something similar too! Thanks for saving my time and for expressing so well this possible version of the hoax!Murray is a much too bizarre character !!! All the oddities are well highlighted in the pics below and his voice is alsooooo.... surreal!!! I've always been intrigued by his voice!! It's in total contrast with him, with his body!. his voice much too ...how to put it...too frail, too weak....Not to talk about those eyes!!! There's something so familiar in Murray's eyes!You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login [. . . . .]This is the pic I found about his "vitiligo-hand"?? loll WTF??The original pic: This one circulated a lot on facebook at one point...Then what is also very strange is how Murray and everything that happens to him , literally MIRRORS Michael and everything that happened to him!I think the handcuffing-trick ^^ with Murray being handcuffed so abruptly and in such an ostentatious manner while the judge was still speaking [such an unusual & useless "legal" procedure!!] is just another clear-connection to the 2005 trial, a subliminal message to the V for Vendetta! Michael's Vendetta for what they did to him back then! Michael was also uselessly handcuffed!! especially because he surrendered to the authorities by himself!! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-FkZXB-1yM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube][/center]ARTICLES:You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
[....]How many dozens of pics of MJ and Murray side-by-side haven't we seen for 2+ years in TMZ. Murray in court wearing a pink tie and elsewhere on the beach with a pink shirt -- Pink Panther anyone?[/size]This is going with the MJ = Murray theory.With this theory I think there WERE doubles or MJ-look-alikes on June 25th who played the role of the MJ who sat up on the stretcher going in to UCLA, the MJ climbing out of the coroner’s van, the MJ climbing into a jet, and the MJ-like guy in the blue shirt inside the gate that we see briefly. These were all intentional decoys/illusion distractions to get the audiences especially hoaxer minds going in another direction (true magician tricks). MJ was in full disguise that whole day – as Dr. Murray getting into the ambulance, then stiding into UCLA, then “spinning” and nervous looking to everyone, striding down the hall as evidence B, or “Exhibit B”, finally exiting the hospital as on the footage. Perhaps ALL other live-looking footage seen on TMZ of CM has been taken even in May (“full out”) or June 9 (mistaken death day), since no fans appear upset at his freedom in public. The CM footage may have been green screened at Culver Studios as part of the Dome Project which would enable changing illusion of height. In this scenario I’m thinking perhaps there was an MJ-like dummy used in the bedroom with the CPR drama played out (same one as in the amb pic, and autopsy pic) with MJ/Murray speaking in the background while the 911 phone call (not real) was made by Alverez, MJ/CM goes with medics and dummy to UCLA, dummy is dealt with as a real body by staff where family “grieves” and Kathy Hilton rubs its feet (in on hoax), dummy sent to coroner who makes fake AR, dummy stays wherever (?) where eventually LaToya and Karen play dress-up with it as long as they need to. When the body moves in the heli, I believe this dummy can be wired to do this even romote control (videos have been posted showing this capability). Remember early on it was said that when the children saw MJ in the bedroom they thought he was playing dead like he'd done before, so they would have really enjoyed playing this game of MJ dressed as a doctor working on a dummy MJ (which they acted out again later in a youtube video.) Also remember Murray loves Katherine like his own mother, his children as his own, and says he's "The Source" suspicious// :lol: (TS) . There was his letter to his patients which sounded just like the hoax plans, and then there was the Youtube video of Murray thanking his (fans) friends for their support. If anyone wants to add a little more details with this scenario I would be pleased, just to test it much further.[...]
[. . . . .]This is the pic I found about his "vitiligo-hand"?? loll WTF??The original pic: This one circulated a lot on facebook at one point...
The point of using what he owns rather than the equiptment or vehicles of LAFD is that Michael would not want to tie up public resources in the event of a genuine emergency. Using his own resources as much as possible makes the hoax more controllable.
QuoteThis is most likely why the light was on all night in the bedroomPoor MJ - there was no way he could sleep if the light was on. Conrad should have simply turn off the lights if he wanted Michael to sleep :roll: :roll: :roll:
This is most likely why the light was on all night in the bedroom
This is probably a stupid thing to write, but could the tour bus be on a daily tour schedule and pass by Carolwood drive around the same thyme everyday? So they wouldn't be in on it, it would just be a normal schedule. I have a feeling that Michael planted alot of seeds and mixed the planed hoax with everyday occurances to look real and fall into place and then watched his plans grow. It kind of goes along is simplifying thing for realism. Use everyday life to fit your plot or idea. Sorry if I am way off here. Take care, Love to All
@Gina the firetruck IMO is part of the cooperation of LAFD that I spoke of. Mike may own a fire truck for all we know though LOL. Simply put, I think the ambulance was already at the house then the fire truck rolls in and the plan goes into motion. lights, camera, action. Who in the world, when presented with the promise of the grandest childrens hospital in the world, wouldnt agree to help Michael with the hoax?