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[Andrea]

There's no need to add MJ beat boxing "keep-a-watchin" to the TII billy jean intro either and they did that. There's no need to add Liberian Girl pics to the memorial slides and on the stage and booklets at the burial. There's no need for all sorts of clues and hints that have been dropped over the years other then to keep us entertained.

I think what Andrea and are I trying to say is clues to FBI involvement do not automatically prove the existence of an FBI sting going on. Involvement could be cooperation, clearance, approval, condoning, etc. FBI cooperation, for example, doesn't have to be a sting operation. The FBI do lots of other things besides just sting operations. That's why I was asking if anyone wanted to organize a list of reasons or evidences for the sting theory, because proving it's validity is imperative to the strength of the DWD theory.

Bec - you and Andrea make a great point. I've been thinking about this as well. Just because we see the FBI involvement doesn't mean it's a sting.

But what I've been thinking is this - Marlon wore the FBI hat which made us look the direction of FBI (at least it did for me). Was that before or after the files were released? Anyways, it was supposedly Charles Thomson that asked for the FBI files to be released and that has made me wonder for a long time whether he's somehow involved. I know he's somewhat controversial but he's done is part in helping with the vindication efforts.

I guess what I've pondered is that maybe the references to the FBI has more to do with the files and 333 pages released, including the intended release date then it does the actual involvement of the organization.

If it's a sting maybe the FBI has been investigating those that were trying to exhort money from MJ? I know it's been quiet and Jordan's dad committed suicide (on 11/5??) but maybe the sting/investigation is surrounding the ones that led the efforts of false accusation. I need to get to bed but will think about this even though my efforts will be weak because I don't support the sting theory.

Blessings

I can't remember which came first, Marlon's FBI hat or the files released.  I thought it was Brian Oxman who requested the FBI release their files on MJ through the Freedom of Information act.  He said that as an attorney, he knew the FBI were significantly involved in MJ's life and he put his request in August 2009 to have the files released.  He also said he was 99.9% sure the ambulance photo was fake.  Those two together indicates the Mr. Oxman is involved in the hoax.  The files were meant to be released on 12/21/09 but were delayed a  day...what was the reason, weather?  12/21/09 was also the date TIAI was revealed, part 1.

I agree that FBI involvement does not absolutely have to involve a sting.  But I also see that it very well could, that if the FBI are going to be involved anyways, why not catch some baddies at the same time? Either way, an actual sting is hard to prove with any certainty.

[BeTheChange]

If it's a sting maybe the FBI has been investigating those that were trying to exhort money from MJ? I know it's been quiet and Jordan's dad committed suicide (on 11/5??) but maybe the sting/investigation is surrounding the ones that led the efforts of false accusation.

My thoughts are along these lines as well.  The notion that Sneddon 'worked alone' or was even the prime 'instigator' of the charges (which were ONE part of the conspiracy to destroy Mike)...is, IMO, as 'naive' as thinking that Mike would've been able to pull something of this magnitude off with help from only ONE 'key' person in the FBI.  Sure, there may be ONE 'key' person in charge of things on the FBI-side of the hoax (and even that is a bit 'naive', IMO, when the enormity of the 'plan' is acknowledged)...but even if, there's no way that only ONE person would've been able to organize AND execute the plan.  I'm about positive that Sneddon was paid pretty well for his 'role'....WHO was filling his pockets, I believe, has something (possibly everything) to do with the sting.  And I don't think his 'dirty money' came from one source or entity....much like the hoax, the conspiracy against Mike was huge...and involved a lot of planning, time, money, and resources.

Sim:

Yes of course, FBI operations are not uniquely/strictly focused on organizing STINGs.
But so far, throughout this hoax, we've seen many signs, clues and also direct hints made by TS and also by the family (LaToya), that at least in this death hoax, the FBI involvement is focused on a STING operation meant to reveal a conspiracy! the word conspiracy had been mentioned countless times by Michael and his family in numerous interviews!!
A conspiracy of that caliber (2 false allegation trials + money extortion + album sabotage - "Invincible" + death threats + media bashing) can only be stopped with the help/involvement of an authority such as FBI and the best "modus-operandi" in such cases is the STING!
TS dedicated 2 levels and several large posts on the subject of FBI and the STING!
I think we should NOT dismiss this as just a mere 'TS-prank/test".
he may have "played' with us here and there, throwing some small false leads to us, to check if we follow that blindly or we use our logic!
But I doubt he had invested so much time and energy on this them (FBI - sting operation) just for all to be a farse for us!
That's why the DWD theory seems to be the most plausible of all! because in such serious case, for such a sting, FBI doesn't "play with dolls/dummies and other weak materials like that! things HAD to be as REAL as possible!!! FBI never leaves place for mistakes! they don't want to compromise the work of so many people (most paid with public money) by working with "plastic-patients" !
PLUS: remember, we still don't have all the subjects targeted by this sting! Who knows what dark affairs FBI intends to uncover/prove/de-conspire through the use of the DWD practice!!

I agree.  Sure, the FBI engages in other activities than just sting operations, that's a given.  But they also DO engage in stings, that's a fact.    And when they do engage in sting operations, there is the need to ensure avoidance of entrapment.  Have there been any 'signs'/clues that point to things having been put in place to avoid entrapment these past 3 1/2 years?  If there is no sting, WHY the need to do anything to avoid entrapment?  If there is an FBI sting in place...it is, IMO, again very 'naive' to think that amateurish scenario's would've been ok'd by them.  And when everything is taken into account (the enormity of the hoax)....using a dummy in place of a 'real body' OR having MJ play the part himself 'for fun' or so he could be the 'director' (which even so...doesn't mean, in the least, that he HAD to be on-scene anyway, especially in this day and age)...would signify very amateurish planning.  Based on what we do know about both the FBI and Mike....I find it very hard to envision anything 'amateurish' in their planning or execution.

As for the verdict....sure, it could be read any way we like.  BUT, the fact remains that the use of 'alleged' in a verdict is NOT common practice....it, in essence, nullifies the verdict (which is why it's NEVER used in verdicts).  With all the other clues we had...given to us to ease our minds during the trial....WHY would something that could be LEGALLY challenged have been used as merely a 'clue'?  We can either view it's usage as merely a 'clue' for us hoaxers...or we can dig a little deeper and see that it could also AND more importantly, have been used to avoid entrapment.  Which would take us back to the question of....if there is no sting, WHY the need to avoid entrapment?

@Wish...I LOVE when you chime in  :icon_razz:

@Aussie...I don't doubt that some forgetfulness is genuine, not at all (there's SO much to remember!).  I have always respected the fact that you dug into the hoax with both hands (and feet lol) and put the time and effort in on your own initiative  :icon_razz:

With L.O.V.E. always.

[voiceforthesilent]

There's no need to add MJ beat boxing "keep-a-watchin" to the TII billy jean intro either and they did that. There's no need to add Liberian Girl pics to the memorial slides and on the stage and booklets at the burial. There's no need for all sorts of clues and hints that have been dropped over the years other then to keep us entertained.

I think what Andrea and are I trying to say is clues to FBI involvement do not automatically prove the existence of an FBI sting going on. Involvement could be cooperation, clearance, approval, condoning, etc. FBI cooperation, for example, doesn't have to be a sting operation. The FBI do lots of other things besides just sting operations. That's why I was asking if anyone wanted to organize a list of reasons or evidences for the sting theory, because proving it's validity is imperative to the strength of the DWD theory.

Bec - you and Andrea make a great point. I've been thinking about this as well. Just because we see the FBI involvement doesn't mean it's a sting.

But what I've been thinking is this - Marlon wore the FBI hat which made us look the direction of FBI (at least it did for me). Was that before or after the files were released? Anyways, it was supposedly Charles Thomson that asked for the FBI files to be released and that has made me wonder for a long time whether he's somehow involved. I know he's somewhat controversial but he's done is part in helping with the vindication efforts.

I guess what I've pondered is that maybe the references to the FBI has more to do with the files and 333 pages released, including the intended release date then it does the actual involvement of the organization.

If it's a sting maybe the FBI has been investigating those that were trying to exhort money from MJ? I know it's been quiet and Jordan's dad committed suicide (on 11/5??) but maybe the sting/investigation is surrounding the ones that led the efforts of false accusation. I need to get to bed but will think about this even though my efforts will be weak because I don't support the sting theory.

Blessings

I can't remember which came first, Marlon's FBI hat or the files released.  I thought it was Brian Oxman who requested the FBI release their files on MJ through the Freedom of Information act.  He said that as an attorney, he knew the FBI were significantly involved in MJ's life and he put his request in August 2009 to have the files released.  He also said he was 99.9% sure the ambulance photo was fake.  Those two together indicates the Mr. Oxman is involved in the hoax.  The files were meant to be released on 12/21/09 but were delayed a  day...what was the reason, weather?  12/21/09 was also the date TIAI was revealed, part 1.

I agree that FBI involvement does not absolutely have to involve a sting.  But I also see that it very well could, that if the FBI are going to be involved anyways, why not catch some baddies at the same time? Either way, an actual sting is hard to prove with any certainty.

Thanks MJonmind and Andrea - for me it's even better if it's Brian Oxman. I've always wondered why they waited until after d-day (8/2009) to have them released when they could have done this any time before? I believe the answer is probably that the skeptical world would not believe the reports or maybe think that they've been doctored by MJ's group to make it look better.
I believe they came out around Christmas time 2009, if I remember correctly.

I found out that we saw Marlon with that FBI hat on June 26, 2009 - so it was right out of the gate. He was also seen wearing it in the reality show that they did.

Have to get to work - have a blessed day!

[bec]

There's no need to add MJ beat boxing "keep-a-watchin" to the TII billy jean intro either and they did that.

I think the need was for Michael to create his validity/credibility as Back and Front on the forum.
I mean besides confirmations from the family, he verified himself... so to speak...

There's no need to add Liberian Girl pics to the memorial slides and on the stage and booklets at the burial.

Those pics were an important comforting visual clue for the fans who were (most of them) suffering and crying! To most those pics didn't meant anything at that time, they didn't realize it then (me neither! I was still in shock...and had tears in my eyes during the most moving moments of the memorial), but I think those pics , alongside the other numerous clues had a very strong calming effect on the few, but very observant fans who noticed them right then when it all happened.
I think this was Michael's purpose: to make at least a small amount of fans feel better when seeing them.

There's no need for all sorts of clues and hints that have been dropped over the years other then to keep us entertained.

i must disagree here too. I think every single detail was carefully planned and thought before hand and everything MEANT something important. Nothing was done at hazard... nothing was superficial nor superfluous. Such a minutely prepared hoax cannot have useless elements in it! At least that's how I perceive it to be, that's how I perceive Michael..as the perfectionist he is and almost obsessed with details! I highly doubt anything was done just like that... for the sake of it! Everything was intended and charged with a definite scope and effect!

I think what Andrea and are I trying to say is clues to FBI involvement do not automatically prove the existence of an FBI sting going on.
Involvement could be cooperation, clearance, approval, condoning, etc.

Could be! maybe! perhaps!
IMo the evidence presented by TS (not just in his last posts, but on all his posts on the FBI sting) contains much more certainty than those doubting "could be-s", even if TS clearly didn't tell us everything! either because he doesn't know everything (as he clearly said it) OR because he CAN'T tell us everything , not YET (because "The BEST is YET to come!")

FBI cooperation, for example, doesn't have to be a sting operation. The FBI do lots of other things besides just sting operations.

Yes of course, FBI operations are not uniquely/strictly focused on organizing STINGs.
But so far, throughout this hoax, we've seen many signs, clues and also direct hints made by TS and also by the family (LaToya), that at least in this death hoax, the FBI involvement is focused on a STING operation meant to reveal a conspiracy! the word conspiracy had been mentioned countless times by Michael and his family in numerous interviews!!
A conspiracy of that caliber (2 false allegation trials + money extortion + album sabotage - "Invincible" + death threats + media bashing) can only be stopped with the help/involvement of an authority such as FBI and the best "modus-operandi" in such cases is the STING!
TS dedicated 2 levels and several large posts on the subject of FBI and the STING!
I think we should NOT dismiss this as just a mere 'TS-prank/test".
he may have "played' with us here and there, throwing some small false leads to us, to check if we follow that blindly or we use our logic!
But I doubt he had invested so much time and energy on this them (FBI - sting operation) just for all to be a farse for us!
That's why the DWD theory seems to be the most plausible of all! because in such serious case, for such a sting, FBI doesn't "play with dolls/dummies and other weak materials like that! things HAD to be as REAL as possible!!! FBI never leaves place for mistakes! they don't want to compromise the work of so many people (most paid with public money) by working with "plastic-patients" !
PLUS: remember, we still don't have all the subjects targeted by this sting! Who knows what dark affairs FBI intends to uncover/prove/de-conspire through the use of the DWD practice!!

I agree with you, there is/was all along a need for clues because this is a game, and the point/purpose is to think for yourself and discover the truth-- MJ isn't dead. So the beat boxing keep-a-watchin is a clue that back is valid, Liberian girl pics are a clue MJ is behind the camera and punking the audience, "alleged" is a clue to CourtTV watchers that the trial is staged. A DWD patient doesn't need an alleged date of death, they actually would have died on that day. Semantics gymnastics are needed to explain the use of alleged in conjunction with the date to make it fit with an actual DWD patient in this scenario.

Regarding all the past clues MJ dropped about "conspiracy" and "they" trying to harm him, I'd like to pose this thought to the group. It's the thought that has always given me trouble with this portion of the plot that TS_comments is selling. If MJ was in fear for his life and believed there was a conspiracy to destroy him, WHY would he not go directly to the authorities? Why would he simply drop hints about it in media interviews for YEARS? Why would he talk to a random Rabbi and allow these statements to be taped? Why would he call people who aren't particularly close to him and leave messages on answering machines about it? Why would he talk about it in situations where he was liable to be taped/recorded and his words to be then publicly broadcasted? Why not go directly to the authorities with this fear? He's MJ, the most famous face in the world, and if he's being extorted, and truly in fear for his life, talking to a Rabbi isn't going to help keep him, or his children safe.

Re: DWD theory, again, it rests upon a foundation of the FBI sting operation theory being real. If we cannot prove the sting operation, the DWD theory remains without a leg in one corner.

MJ has invested a ton of serious time and energy in this ARG so I do not believe he considers any of it frivolous. He has punked the entire world in an elaborate effort of deception. Why would he not also punk US? I think it would be foolish of us to underestimate what this man is capable of, and to proceed without eyes wide open as to the potential that we are not too smart to fall for his pranks.

Remember, the deaders say that MJ wouldn't invest so much time in energy in faking his death as a farce and fool his fans. And yet we collectively take this truth for granted.

I have long said I believe there is a sting going on... but it is against the media and the fans. In that way I do not believe it is a criminal sting; no one will go to jail, simply lessons will be learned. The clues dropped to prevent entrapment prevent the fans and media (and members of the general public) from complaining after the fact that they were fooled so completely that NO ONE could have seen through it. We, fed by these clues being dropped all along, PROVE there was no entrapment. We prove that anyone could have figured out the truth (MJ=not dead).

We may also be the targets of a sting as yet unidentified.

[BeTheChange]

Well bec...maybe you're right and it's all just a 'game'.  I have never felt it was and still don't...far from it actually.  But, if your thinking is correct, then I hope Mike is ready for:

1) Heavy backlash - those who 'doubted'/still doubt Mike's character or innocence, or even those 'fans' who fell for the 'death' and suffered through it...will not take having been 'punked' just for a 'game' lightly.  I don't see how this will help to 'remove any stains'...rather, it will add a few more.  What 'hoaxers' think won't matter...we are, and always have been, in the minority

2) Jail time - it is a federal crime to make false statements to govt officials (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements).

If ANYTHING other than a real corpse was used AND if the FBI is not involved, then many laws have been broken in these past 3 1/2 years...ranging from making false statements, to falsifying legal documents, to using emergency resources (ambulance, EMT's, hospital) for 'fun', to perjury, to using public resources---coroner, courtroom, judge, jury, DA's office, LAFD, etc etc etc---under false pretenses.  If the general backlash of the public finding out it was all just a 'game' isn't enough....he should be ready for some HEAVY backlash from taxpayers who fund these entities and, who for the most part, are trying to make ends meet in a struggling economy.

With L.O.V.E. always.

[RK]

If this is all only for a movie and entertainment and there was never any real conspiracy or danger to MJ, then I hope he never bams. Because the general public and some fans will not take it well.[massive understatement]  There will be backlash like he's never experienced.
However, if his life was threatened and there was gov't agencies cooperating and working within the  hoax, then when the truth does come out, there will  not be the uproar about being lied to or fooled. After all....who could blame one for doing what is necessary to survive.  FBI involvement allows MJ to BAM in the appointed and perfect timing, and come out of it all vindicated, wrongs righted and most of all blameless for the whole thing. 

[BeTheChange]

If this is all only for a movie and entertainment and there was never any real conspiracy or danger to MJ, then I hope he never bams. Because the general public and some fans will not take it well.[massive understatement]  There will be backlash like he's never experienced.
However, if his life was threatened and there was gov't agencies cooperating and working within the  hoax, then when the truth does come out, there will  not be the uproar about being lied to or fooled. After all....who could blame one for doing what is necessary to survive.  FBI involvement allows MJ to BAM in the appointed and perfect timing, and come out of it all vindicated, wrongs righted and most of all blameless for the whole thing. 

Completely agree with everything you said RK....from start to finish, especially the bolded part.  If that's the case, that it's all just a game OR a sting against the media and fans...then for his own sake, he's better off staying 'dead' and living his life FAR away from the public eye.

With L.O.V.E. always.

[Thriller4ever]

i completely agree with BTC and RK, if this is just a sting against fans and media, then the public will turn sceptical and judgemental more than ever. As i had previously stated, if the public has to follow Michael, then he needs to shaken their grounds of beliefs by proving wrong the institutions they've been following. Which would mean sting on something bigger, that'd mean FBI involvement, that can mean DWD.

We will never completely know until Bam on whom the sting is, so we can't even try to guess...because we have not been  there. Similarly we cannot prove the FBI involvement till Bam, FBI won't plant clues... that would be highly dangerous...

[wishingstar]

Just by the nature of what this is; it's a natural sting on fans and media.  No matter if this death hoax will turn out to capture the most hardened criminals of the world....the fans and media will feel their own special brand of "sting".  The fans will feel left out and the media will be licking their wounds for not checking facts 1000% before reporting.  Yes, I have always believed as well, we believers hold some sort of value to the hoax's validity.
However, I'd never assume that it rests on our uncovering of said clues.  I am sure Michael had thought of things well in advance...and most likely lead us down a garden path or two.  If this is an ARG of sorts with a sting, the main "sting factor" has to be the fans and media.....in my opinion as well.  I think the fallout of it may hit other's as well....pharmaceutical companies re-evaluating their ways, emergency personal training harder for faster response/better driving (lol), states looking into crooked branches of the judiciary systems, artists in the recording industry learning to protect themselves ....all sorts of things have gone on in 3.5 years, I am sure of it.  All by natural fallout from Michael's supposed death.  The sting and shock when he retakes the world's stage, however he chooses, is going to be a huge shift once again.  His death clogged up the internet....think what his resurrection will do.  For this little hoaxer, it will be redemption of the mind for sure.  I feel like I have been broken into pieces.  But, I know there's a light coming at the end of the tunnel.  I am more calm in the anticipation of BAM, than ever before.  Whatever happened June 25th, 2009, it was for the of good things......whether an escape for Michael, an adventure for us, a sting against whoever.......whether a DWD person was used, a dummy was used, Michael himself, or nothing.....it was all for good.  I guess that's where faith kicks in.....just believe in it all.

Blessings Always

PS> just read you BTC and RK......great posts all the way around...thank you!

[SimPattyK]

If this is all only for a movie and entertainment and there was never any real conspiracy or danger to MJ, then I hope he never bams. Because the general public and some fans will not take it well.[massive understatement]  There will be backlash like he's never experienced.
However, if his life was threatened and there was gov't agencies cooperating and working within the  hoax, then when the truth does come out, there will  not be the uproar about being lied to or fooled. After all....who could blame one for doing what is necessary to survive.  FBI involvement allows MJ to BAM in the appointed and perfect timing, and come out of it all vindicated, wrongs righted and most of all blameless for the whole thing. 

Completely agree with everything you said RK....from start to finish, especially the bolded part.  If that's the case, that it's all just a game OR a sting against the media and fans...then for his own sake, he's better off staying 'dead' and living his life FAR away from the public eye. 

i completely agree with BTC and RK, if this is just a sting against fans and media, then the public will turn sceptical and judgemental more than ever. [...]

+ 3  :icon_e_wink:

[Thriller4ever]

lol...u edited it Sim...Thanks!  ;D

[bec]

Well bec...maybe you're right and it's all just a 'game'.  I have never felt it was and still don't...far from it actually.  But, if your thinking is correct, then I hope Mike is ready for:

1) Heavy backlash - those who 'doubted'/still doubt Mike's character or innocence, or even those 'fans' who fell for the 'death' and suffered through it...will not take having been 'punked' just for a 'game' lightly.  I don't see how this will help to 'remove any stains'...rather, it will add a few more.  What 'hoaxers' think won't matter...we are, and always have been, in the minority

2) Jail time - it is a federal crime to make false statements to govt officials (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements).

If ANYTHING other than a real corpse was used AND if the FBI is not involved, then many laws have been broken in these past 3 1/2 years...ranging from making false statements, to falsifying legal documents, to using emergency resources (ambulance, EMT's, hospital) for 'fun', to perjury, to using public resources---coroner, courtroom, judge, jury, DA's office, LAFD, etc etc etc---under false pretenses.  If the general backlash of the public finding out it was all just a 'game' isn't enough....he should be ready for some HEAVY backlash from taxpayers who fund these entities and, who for the most part, are trying to make ends meet in a struggling economy.

With L.O.V.E. always.

Yes but that would be assuming that there is no FBI involvement at all, which the release of 7 files contained 333 pages on 12/21/09 suggest strongly that there is. The 333 pages would have to be a massive coincidence if it were. It's been unanimous based on the information we have at hand that this is not just a coincidence, rather there is some sort of FBI involvement.

In due diligence with his elaborate, 2 decade long planning of this project, legality would have to be insured prior, through MJ's team of lawyers, and it is reasonable to assume that the FBI involvement that we all accept, also ensures legality to proceed with the execution.

FBI involvement must be an accepted truth due to the 333 pages. The sting theory is the one I am questioning.

As far as backlash resulting from fans feeling slighted, I suppose that's a given and has been all along. He fooled them on purpose with the "fake" lyrics and slap-dash songs on Michael album. He got them all hot n bothered with KJ selling books unauthorized by the Estate. He got them all angry about his body being not buried for 70 days, his children chatting away "unsupervised" online, his father selling perfume with his unauthorized image on it. All of these things which "taint" his legacy and infuriate his fans have been done-- NOT because he was in fear for his life against mysterious and enshrouded bad guys, but because he wrote it all into the script.

I don't think the general public is going to be angry that he fooled the world for an entertainment production. I think they will be amused and amazed. I also don't believe tax payer money paid for a single thing. I think everything was staged that could be, and everything that was not was covered by the Estate (police presence for the memorial, for example, was covered by the Estate. The city of LA was reimbursed very publicly back in 2009, this may well be an example of the track record from day one in regards to who paid for what).

On the contrary, IF the FBI allowed MJ to do all this on the public dime just because his life was threatened, THEN I would expect a public backlash. The general public is going to be angry that our broke government went along with a massively expensive media hoax just to catch someone who wants to rub out MJ. What do they care about MJ? Not much, and certainly not enough to agree that this amount of tax payer money (for a fake trial and all the paper work involved with the fake documents, ect) was worth protecting MJ. Surely there's other ways. If MJ's life is indeed in danger, what's wrong with the WPP (or equivalent) like any other normal person being threatened by nefarious entities? He could quietly "disappear" while the feds investigate this conspiracy, and proceed with their investigations like they do with every other FBI involved case. The general public is not likely to agree that MJ deserves special treatment, nor will they likely agree with their tax dollars being spent on MJ perusing his numerology requirements on the public dole is a noble use of the country's money.

[Love4Michael]

I have to say I agree with the current vibe floated by BTC, RK & Wishing.  As I posted the other day the thought that this was merely a "game"/ARG dwindled in my mind the longer the "adventure" has gone.  All of the points that would seem to be intended to be made against wishy-washy fans and/or the corrupted media could have been proven and driven home in a far shorter time span...prior to lawsuits and trials for example.  There would still have been backlash but it would be even worse (I'm afraid) this far out with this much water under the bridge.  The "four years to get it right" statement in TII indicates that he knew going in whatever would be accomplished would take a long time and that indicates to me that serious work was going on behind the scenes for a purpose.  The clues, hints and whispers I think have been intended for those of us who've strapped into this rollercoaster to not lose hope over the long haul.  Sadly there are many who have done just that anyway and have abandoned the cause.  :icon_e_sad:

[BeTheChange]

Bec:

As far as backlash resulting from fans feeling slighted, I suppose that's a given and has been all along. He fooled them on purpose with the "fake" lyrics and slap-dash songs on Michael album. He got them all hot n bothered with KJ selling books unauthorized by the Estate. He got them all angry about his body being not buried for 70 days, his children chatting away "unsupervised" online, his father selling perfume with his unauthorized image on it. All of these things which "taint" his legacy and infuriate his fans have been done-- NOT because he was in fear for his life against mysterious and enshrouded bad guys, but because he wrote it all into the script.

No laws were broken in any of ^^^, as opposed to the MANY laws I listed in my previous post...huge difference.  And people were 'worried' about Mike having broken the law in using/having a DWD patient die in CA? LOL  Page after page and post after post of the 'fact' that DWD IS illegal in CA (when it's not) and how Mike wouldn't break the law nor want the backlash associated with breaking the law....and now it's all 'ok' that he broke many other laws cause it's all 'just a game'.  The contradictions in thinking, at times, are the real 'gymnastics' being done here.

If the starting point is that it's all 'just a game'....then the chasm is FAR too wide to even continue the convo.

With L.O.V.E. always.