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[TS_comments]

Maybe I'm just not getting it, and maybe I just need to wake up, but you're the one that taught me to ask these kinds of questions, TS, and doubt these kinds of sources and types of evidence.

Yes, we should question everything.  But we should not only question if what we are told (or shown) is false, we should also question if it may in fact be true!  I know that it can be very difficult to sort between the two; but that is the difficult process we have all been going through here.  Nothing worthwhile comes easily.

But I really appreciate your help here bec, I really do--you know that.   bearhug

humanity generally wants to believe that everything is hunky-dory, and all things will continue fine and dandy.

well of course I want to think that way. Who wants to believe anything else??

Right, nobody WANTS to believe anything else.  But if the ship is sinking, it is better to realize it while there is still time to get into the lifeboat, than to go back to your quarters and fall asleep.

[2good2btrue]

Maybe we should all read this:

http://gracethrufaith.com/ikvot-hamashiach/seven-major-prophetic-signs-of-the-second-coming/

[lilwendy]

@TS, thank you for bringing up the "serious side" of the hoax.  This to me has been the majority of my focus probably because I too KNOW the Bible talks about dangers to any of us who will not conform to the world in the end times.  This has been a given for me but unfortunately this is not the case for everyone.

This is why it is so imperative that we study our Bibles DAILY (like we've been told MJ has done for years).

When working at a bank, you don't study all the fake money for fear of being passed a counterfeit.  To arm yourself against false money, you study the REAL THING so when the false comes across your path, it is painfully obvious.

There will be dangers, toils, and snares.  As our lives progress and we on this board go forward and impact the world, influence others, become leaders in our own rights, we too may find ourselves in the same life and death situations that MJ is in.  That comes with the territory when you hold positions of power.  However, a faith in God, and a belief that He has already won the battle, despite what happens in our earthly lives, will ready US for the battles we will face.

I have said this before, and I'll say it again and again until my dying day:  I am so proud to be a part of this army of LOVE that is to me really not an army but a troop or squadron that is part of the army of God fighting the battle between good and evil.

Lastly, I just want to say that movies, media, video games, etc. have made this spiritual battle so "Hollywood" that it enters the realm of FAKE.  When we talk about spiritual matters, people pass it off as "you've been watching too much TV".  Don't be fooled.  Be wise.  Understand what is REALLY going on.  This world has a lot of evil in it but it also has a lot of goodness.  We must be aware of both and in the end, TIME WILL TELL.

P.S. @2good2btrue thanks for the link!

[bec]

And this is because I have been giving MJ's real message, including the serious aspects; and I have NEVER said it was only a movie, or only a sting on the fans and media.

You make comments like this TS... and it makes me want to read between the lines. It is a movie, and it is a sting on the fans and the media... isn't it?

[iamamjbeliever]

Okay TS just tell us already! Do the regressive aliens control this planet? Are some of them part of the Illuminati, the power that be??

[TS_comments]

@TS

1) Can you give as two or three nails to make us understand why we should believe the family now when they lied to us for 2+ years?

How could they say MJ is alive, and still have any hoax?  If they are lying when supporting the hoax with clues, then I guess you would have to believe that MJ was murdered, and they are being forced into giving hoax clues by the murderers (and yet they speak of murder far more directly than the hoax??).  I don't know that I can give two or three reasons, just that you would think the family loves MJ enough not to be hiding a murder with false hoax clues.

2) What is it that is different now from your statement two years ago to not believe a message to be true because of the messenger's name?

I still supported most of that long post (about the real danger) with evidence outside of my username; but I finished by including that, because a few things have changed over the years--such as La Toya recently verifying TMZ.  Nevertheless, I still do not ask anyone to accept anything, unless I back it up with evidence.

3) What makes you believe that the time is right now - and was not then?

Not sure what you are referring to, time is right for what?

[Ijustcantstoplovingu]

The German TV station did NOT debunk the coroner van video.  I believe Jonell Star pointed out that the "Making of..." video was BS and had several differences from the original.

Annie are you okay?  michael-jackson/

with further reading of TS post now changed my perspective.

;)

Blessings

bearhug

[PureLove]

In this post, I'm going to be giving further evidence about one of the reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital (risk of being murdered).  However, the information in this post will go beyond just that; it will also help us to wrap up 7b, and even help us a lot in 7c.

The question here is whether MJ has been facing a real murder danger (at any time, not just 6-25-09), and therefore was his artwork was designed to portray this real danger through entertainment?  Or was the danger just an artistic creation, designed merely for the sake of entertainment?  Once we understand the "how's" of the hoax, the answer to this question should be very clear.  However, even before completing 7b, I want to show many reasons why this danger is very real; then the rest of 7b should be relatively easy to understand.

First and foremost are MJ's beliefs about the Bible, the NWO, and the end of the world.  I have already documented this significantly, so I won't repeat it here (see Update #1, for example).  For MJ, these beliefs are not just entertainment; they are very real.  There is a real battle between good and evil in this world; it has existed for thousands of years, but it gets much more intense near the end of the world.  And anyone who does not take sides with the evil powers, especially if they are rich and/or famous, will become prime targets of these evil powers (often referred to as the Illuminati).

On the other hand, this does not mean that MJ is paranoid, and always looking at who is behind him, etc.  No, his faith in God saves him from paranoia; but true faith in God does not make people careless, or cause you to take unnecessary risks (see Matthew 4:5-7).

For those who have been following the tweets from Paris, you know that she has tweeted several things about "secret societies", the Illuminati, the eye-pyramid (with the Army of Love cutting the strings), the warning about the New World Order, etc.  And MJ himself did the music video, while standing beside the NWO all-seeing eye {at 1:05, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q}.  And he has also talked about a "conspiracy", more than once.

Are all these things just for art and entertainment, with no real threat?  And even IF there was no real threat before such warnings were given: would not the warnings themselves generate a real danger?  Would MJ put himself and his children in the cross-hairs of real danger, just for the sake of creating entertainment about a threat that was not real—that is, not real until the entertainment was created?

Can anyone read La Toya's book (Starting Over), and come to the conclusion that Jack Gordon was not a real threat in her life—that she fabricated the stories, pictures of bruises, etc, just for entertainment?  And if this was real, and not made up by La Toya, then it should be clear that the threats against MJ were just as real; she talks about the threats against both of them (herself and MJ) in the same context, and sometimes the same people behind the threats.  In fact, it went beyond mere threats; when it came to the molestation charges, it was these same people who "got him [MJ]" (according to Jack Gordon).

"Latoya and Frank Cascio also wrote about 9/11 in their books!!! WHY do they brings this horrible attacks in their books, related to Mj, this is what I don't understand and it really disturbs me" {applehead250609, http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21319.msg374959#msg374959}.

Yes indeed, some people on this forum and elsewhere are having trouble understanding the how's AND THE WHY'S of the hoax, because they are living in a fantasy hoax world: thinking that it's all just fun and games, with multiple ambulances floating around in the sky—while not gripping the reality of the power and the agenda which exists in the underworld, and that they actually did try to take MJ out in the trade towers on 9-11 (but they failed).  How can we be a united Army of Love, to stand up against their corrupt agendas, when so many of the soldiers think that it's "All for E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.M.E.N.T."???

Speaking of entertainment: The Illusionist (which La Toya pleaded with us to watch, and "read between the lines") is a good example of entertainment WHICH PORTRAYS A REAL DANGER!  There was a real enemy, with a real intent to kill the person who "died"; and the plan of the illusionist included not only saving the life of the potential victim, but also exposing the criminal.

Probably everyone knows this by now, but let me remind you anyway: "Michael Jackson's FBI Files Reveal Death Threats" {http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1628762/michael-jacksons-fbi-files-reveal-death-threats.jhtml}.  Surely the FBI did not make this up, just to go along with MJ's artistic creation of some imaginary enemy.  The FBI was also involved with investigating La Toya's situation (Jack Gordon, etc); during level 5, I already quoted important excerpts from her book {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=19778.0}.  So I think we have every valid reason to believe that the FBI is helping MJ in the death hoax, for more than just movie and entertainment purposes; they are helping to create the illusion, in order to expose the criminal.

"1. He just knew! He was famous and rich from the age of 5! The fortune hunters were always after him. He is intuitive! He is God-gifted. He just knows things!  2. He got hints from Elvis who also faked his death! He knew what happened to Elvis all his life because of his celebrity! and that Elvis had also received death threats!  3. He saw what happened to John Lenon and other celebs [MLK, JFK, Lady Di, etc]! he didn't want to wait for that happening to him too!" {SimPattyK, http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21319.msg370869#msg370869}.

Let me share a little secret, about the bitter opposition that I have received for about two years now.  If I had never done anything but promote the fun and games aspects of the hoax, you can be sure that the whole hoax world would have been raving about TS for these last two years.  The opposition is primarily because I support the serious aspects (Illuminati/NWO, end of the world, etc); humanity generally wants to believe that everything is hunky-dory, and all things will continue fine and dandy.  This is precisely the attitude which was prevalent before the flood, as well as Sodom and Gomorrah—and Jesus warned that this would also be the attitude at the end of the world (see Luke 17:26-30).

Nevertheless, even though I have received great opposition from many: I have never received any opposition from the hoax insiders (family, TMZ, etc); quite the opposite, both the family and TMZ have supported TS/TIAI on several occasions {including the recent Too Short article, http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/22/rapper-too-short-not-dead/; http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21471.0}.  And this is because I have been giving MJ's real message, including the serious aspects; and I have NEVER said it was only a movie, or only a sting on the fans and media.

I've said the following before, but it is worth repeating.  This is the only hoax forum that I have ever posted on, and it is also the only hoax forum or website that TMZ ever linked to in their blogroll; this blogroll is no longer on their home page, but it is still on their website and still has a link to our forum on it {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll}.  For a long time, many have thought that TMZ was just another unreliable tabloid media source—that they have merely been playing with hoax believers, and don't really have any inside information about the hoax.  Well, TS has always supported TMZ; and recently, La Toya also supported TMZ: "But there's more to the story guys, and Harvey knows that; Harvey Levin knows that (don't you Harvey)." {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0f7T8h3VTM}.

I could cite many more examples, both from TMZ and the family; however, I have already done that many times in the past, so I only added a couple of newer examples here.  But I will close with the following, which sums it up in short.  The whole world, INCLUDING HOAX BELIEVERS, need to wake up to the reality of the seriousness of the danger—not for the sake of fear and mind-control, as some people have claimed; but rather for the sake of awareness and preparation: forewarned is forearmed!

/bravo/

[TS_comments]

And this is because I have been giving MJ's real message, including the serious aspects; and I have NEVER said it was only a movie, or only a sting on the fans and media.

You make comments like this TS... and it makes me want to read between the lines. It is a movie, and it is a sting on the fans and the media... isn't it?

If you will accept a straight answer: yes, but not ONLY these things!  And if you don't accept a straight answer, then what else can I say?  Well, maybe 7c will also make it clearer.

[scorpionchik]

In this post, I'm going to be giving further evidence about one of the reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital (risk of being murdered).  However, the information in this post will go beyond just that; it will also help us to wrap up 7b, and even help us a lot in 7c.

The question here is whether MJ has been facing a real murder danger (at any time, not just 6-25-09)

Yes indeed, some people on this forum and elsewhere are having trouble understanding the how's AND THE WHY'S of the hoax, because they are living in a fantasy hoax world: thinking that it's all just fun and games, with multiple ambulances floating around in the sky—while not gripping the reality of the power and the agenda which exists in the underworld, and that they actually did try to take MJ out in the trade towers on 9-11 (but they failed).  How can we be a united Army of Love, to stand up against their corrupt agendas, when so many of the soldiers think that it's "All for E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.M.E.N.T."???

Speaking of entertainment: The Illusionist (which La Toya pleaded with us to watch, and "read between the lines") is a good example of entertainment WHICH PORTRAYS A REAL DANGER!  There was a real enemy, with a real intent to kill the person who "died"; and the plan of the illusionist included not only saving the life of the potential victim, but also exposing the criminal.

THANK YOU! I LIKE THIS PART AND TOTALLY AGREE NOW.

[TS_comments]

The house staff being told to leave before the ambulance makes me think there was something they weren't meant to see on that stretcher. They needed the least amount of people in the house before the stretcher left the house.

EXACTLY!  It is coming together now, as I said it would.  As soon as you realize that the things in the videos actually happened on 6-25-09, then the pieces start falling into place.

Hey, maybe that's why they waited for so long - 40 minutes - before the ambulance left Carlwood - because they waited all the staff to leave :shock: :shock:

BINGO!

Someone suggested that the staff were sent away, so they would not take pictures.  Really?  In a life-and-death emergency, you are going to WAIT until the staff leaves, before taking MJ to the hospital, JUST SO NOBODY GETS A PICTURE?????  In other words, it's okay if MJ dies before we get him to the hospital, just so long as nobody gets a picture in the process!!!???!!!

Also, they could simply ask the staff not to take any pictures, and confiscate their camera/phone if they did.  So I think that we can file this (staff sent away before bringing the body down) as another good evidence of the hoax.  If MJ really died, this makes no sense.

So that gets rid of MJ in person on the stretcher.....

Yes, that is my third of five reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital.

TS, you were telling that NOTHING went to UCLA and Michael was NOT with us WAY BEFORE he arrived to the airport (by Jermain), meaning Michael left Carolwood way before staged 911 call, then he went to airport to fly somewhere.
Then WHY and what is the meaning to tell house staff to leave house NOT TO SEE WHAT WAS ON STRETCHER if you are suggesting NOTHING went to UCLA.
SEE, I FOUND INCONSISTENCY in your theory because now u say staff was let go so they  could not take a picture of BODY  on stretcher bringing down. I am confused; was there body or no?

Could you please quote or highlight where I said that nothing went to UCLA?  I don't think I ever said that, if so it was a typo--or you are misunderstanding something.  That is why it is good to bring up what you think are inconsistencies; it may in fact not be an inconsistency, but rather a misunderstanding of what I meant.

[PureLove]

And this is because I have been giving MJ's real message, including the serious aspects; and I have NEVER said it was only a movie, or only a sting on the fans and media.

You make comments like this TS... and it makes me want to read between the lines. It is a movie, and it is a sting on the fans and the media... isn't it?

If you will accept a straight answer: yes, but not ONLY these things!  And if you don't accept a straight answer, then what else can I say?  Well, maybe 7c will also make it clearer.

... which means the movie and the sting are the two reasons of the hoax but there are MORE reasons than just the two of them and  there is also a very important and serious side of the hoax which is about illuminati, and the end of the world.

[GINAFELICIA]

@Adi thank you for posting this from above. Reading it again I think TS is an eccentric person who has all the time in the world at his disposal

Don't I wish!    bounce/

Because this post from above SEEMS to support the corpse theory....yet TS said he never supported ANY of the theories.

The false theories that I was referring to were one such as these: multiple ambulances, green screen everything in the ambulance videos, the two videos were taken on different days, MJ sitting up in the stretcher, riding the helicopter, jumping out of the coroner van, etc.

I hate to repeat myself but I want 7b to come to a conclusion.
Now it is obvious to me what's happening in the world is against the natural way it would happen IF there wouldn't be "occult" interventions in the course of events. I am living with this "feeling" for many years, just by watching the governments generally avoiding the common sense measures that we know would work, but taking absurd measures instead.
Probably my training as an economist makes me pay more attention to these things.
I am 100% convinced of this "illuminati" thing, the secret societies existence, the strings attached to key people in high positions.

I can see Michael's struggle to hint to these things and more in his art. I am sure he did it because he felt he needed to do it to take sides with the ones who have no voice, because he loves people and justice. Michael is such a special human being, able to feel the sufferings of others.

Now I thought from the beginning there was a corpse and that FBI must be involved. I've always had troubles believing all the paramedics are in, also that all UCLA staff that saw the body is in.
The reasons why a corpse was needed were stated before many times, by many people. I won't repeat them again.

Of course I might be very wrong, so I'm still open to anything else that could be proved logical by other people.

[heartwarrior]

Well then TS - why not come up with 7c so we can deal with the real important stuff? Thank you for your guidance so far!

[Adi]

Thank you TS....from the bottom of my heart. I hope we can make Michael proud by being aware and prepared.

I remember you writing some months back.....earlier this year:

"was this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it?  And the answer is: all of the above!  It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale."

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