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You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginOh, of course, they can't reveal themselves, they must be Michael Jackson so. You wish !BestJMseesMJExcuse me but why don't you go and keep on playing with that naughty doggy? It looks like that odd couple washed your brain so well or perhaps you are one of them. After two years, why need to waste your "precious" time with us and tell that TS is a fake and Souza is playing with us? It is your decision to close your eyes to see the truth but you can not come to our home where we are a family here and try to ruin it for us. You can not achieve your goal here. It's too late for that! And I can easily say that you will be so so ashamed one day for the things you wrote on this forum. But that will be too late for you!
Oh, of course, they can't reveal themselves, they must be Michael Jackson so. You wish !BestJMseesMJ
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login@reveron1958: Don't misunderstand me please. I do not judge anyone. You're free to choose what you like to be: believer, agnostic, atheist, catholic or whatever. There is no CHOICE made by myself, it is just how it is! It's like I don't 'choose' to like or dislike the taste of liver - it is not a conscious choice I make, it is just how it is with me. (That I hate liver.) But you never know, my tastes might change and I may end up loving liver and having a faith in God. What will be will be.L.O.V.E
@reveron1958: Don't misunderstand me please. I do not judge anyone. You're free to choose what you like to be: believer, agnostic, atheist, catholic or whatever.
OK - I'm spooked! suspicious//So I'm questioning numerology and saying I'm an agnostic and I go to my emails and this has appeared! /overreacting/[....][....]
As long as you are looking for someone else, (TS, Front/back, etc), to give you the answers, you are NOT "thinking for yourself"! Think about this for one minute family... As soon as TS or Front post, everyone can't wait to see what they have to say,so you "flock" to their posts, as fast as you can! This thread has already had 1000 views in the last 24hrs, yet the information that TS is giving you is stuff that has no bearing on the BIG PICTURE!! Have you learned anything "new", or is this just the same information in a different Package??? TS is showing you how easy it is for you to be controlled and that you are still letting FEAR and EGO control you!! You are digging yourself deeper and deeper into the hole of "control" by others. If you are still trying to figure out "HOW" Michael pulled off this hoax, instead of "WHY" Michael did this, then you are just running in circles and you will NEVER break free!! You will not be thinking for yourself!Of all of the Millions and Millions, if not Billions of Michael Jackson "Fans" in this world...who really, truly understands Michael's "message"?If you are still concentrating on trying to "solve" the Hoax, then you are not understanding what this is truly about. If you need Michael Jackson to "physically" return to you in order for you to feel complete, or happy, then you are not understanding "WHY" Michael has done this!! If you are not happy in your life, it is up to you and ONLY you, to change that...Michael can't do this for you...that is only an "Illusion" that you yourself has created in your mind!! Think about it...If you still need to see Michael in the flesh in order to "validate" that he is truly alive, then you aren't really a "Believer".If you think that somehow Michael reappearing is going to "Magically" change everything in your life for the better, you are deceiving yourself, because Michael CAN"T change your life!!! You are the master of your own being...You and ONLY you, and until you can see this and break free and take back control of your life, you are NOT making a change and THINKING for yourself!!I truly LOVE you guys, and LOVE is the only thing I KNOW is real! Michael has taught me that LOVE is what is going to change the world, and it starts with US Learning to LOVE ourselves again and when you are living your life with Love, you are making a true difference!!Please, I posted a video on this thread called Michael's message, and Not One person has made a comment on it, because they are trying to figure out what TS's long, long message is about, when in fact, there is nothing NEW in those messages...You are banging your head against a wall!! What is it that you hope to learn from TS's messages??? Everything has already been PLanned and executed, you aren't going to find anything "Valuable" in these messages...honestly..Michael's message is bring LOVE back into our lives and believing that we have the "MIND" power to change the world, not that he wants you to figure out HOW he executed this world wide hoax!!!Mark my words family... the end result is that, "It's all for LOVE"...Nothing else matters!!Tomorrow is 11/11/11 and I have a "feeling" that more of you will start to understand...because it has already been "written".I will be here to help any of you in any way I can...I will never give up on trying to help you understand that LOVE is soooooo important, and I KNOW that this is what Michael is trying to get us all to realize.If you want to help Michael and show him how much he means to you look to LOVE, but instead of doing this for Michael...do it for yourself and your family...do it for the betterment of Humanity, because until we all find the "Humanity" inside of us, and start living our lives with LOVE, we are just "Human beings" being controlled by "OTHERS" and controlled by FEAR!!It is your turn to SHINE!!!!!! Break free, "Make a change", "LIVE LOVE", BE LOVE...We are ONE!I LOVE YOU ALL, and I won't give up on you, so please, don't give up on yourself..your "soul" is begging you to "set it free" with LOVE!!!!!!
@reveron1958: Regarding our discussion on numerology and importance of number in this hoax:When you have time, watch this video. It explains very well the divinity of number 7 closely related to its exact number of occurrences in the BIBLE[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0hUldrYp4&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI don't really believe TS is Murray. But I do believe Murray is Michael metaphorically and so therefore...well, you follow me.EXACTLY bec! Yes, TS wrote in the previous thread that he is Murray and now Murray says he is The Source but it is written and said metaphorically. I do also believe that Murray represents Michael in this case.
I don't really believe TS is Murray. But I do believe Murray is Michael metaphorically and so therefore...well, you follow me.
[....][....][....]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------7 PossibilitiesNow I’m going to propose 7 different possible scenarios—none of which would mean that 12:21 was not part of the planned numerology and timing, OR that the statements I have previously made about the 911 timing prove that TS is fake. So if I can come up with 7 possibilities—and my opposers did not even come up with a single possibility, that fits with what I’ve said in the past—then the real problem is not a lack of accuracy in what I have said, the real problem is that they are desperately trying to find something to disprove TS. Why? Because it is human nature; many people are too proud to admit that they made a mistake, just like so-called “fans” who would rather have MJ dead than admit that they are wrong (and the hoax investigators are right).- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -#1. The 911 Calls Were StagedNo actual phone calls were placed to either the BHPD or LAFD; the calls were staged (much like the ambulance photo). In this case, the information on the call screen was fabricated. My description of the 911 call was describing not what literally happened, but rather what the information on the screen was designed to represent (made to look like someone was waiting for 12:21 to make the call).Considering the above possibility: notice that there was one rather small two-letter word in Update 4c, which carries a rather big meaning. “So if the caller was waiting for the right time to make the call, 12:21—and then pushed the speed dial button—about 4 seconds into the minute is what we would expect …” {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -#2. MJ Was Gone to the AirportFor this scenario, I’m going to go on the idea that TS is actually MJ. But please do not take this and run with it; I am merely showing that if MJ himself could make the same statements about the 911 call, and still not be a fake—then just as much or more could someone other than MJ make these same statements, and yet not be a fake. What if MJ had already gone to the airport, before the 911 call was made; he was not there in person, to observe what actually happened. Someone at the house not in on it was urging that someone call 911, and by 12:20 Alvarez felt that he could not delay any longer without raising too much suspicion; so he called 911 a little early. In spite of the early call, the transfer to LAFD was not completed until 12:21; and this provided an opportunity for good old TMZ to still report the intended time, 12:21 {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. Other media copied TMZ’s report, and so 12:21 became the time of the 911 call reported almost everywhere. Nevertheless, this scenario does not explain the discrepancies in timing given by BHPD and LAFD, etc.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -#3. “ORIGINAL W911 INFO (12:21:04)”Alvarez called 911 immediately at 12:21:00; BHPD at answered at 12:21:04. Within a reasonable time of 14 seconds (not a long delay of 46 seconds): BHPD determined the emergency needed LAFD (not police), and transferred to LAFD by 12:21:18 (as Ruda said). In this case, both the original call and the transfer occurred during the minute of 12:21; therefore, this ensured that the media would report 12:21—regardless of whether they reported the original call, or the time LAFD got the call (and would be another good reason for starting the call exactly at 12:21, and not 15 or 30 seconds later).In support of this scenario (see picture above), the call screen says “ORIGINAL W911 [wireless 911] INFO (12:21:04) …”; and then there are three lines of info about the ORIGINAL Alvarez call, but not info about the BHPD or the call transfer (that info was in the previous lines above).This leads to the question of why the time “12:21:04” is even listed on the call screen. For what purpose is this information provided to the FS71 paramedics? If it’s merely the time when BHPD trunk line 009 was released (open for a new 911 call to come into BHPD on that trunk line, as Dona testified): why would FS71 paramedics care a whit about that time, why would it be on their call screen? Would this information help them know what action to take in an emergency?Wouldn’t it be far more important for the paramedics to know the time when the emergency call first came in at the BHPD? What if BHPD had an emergency of their own (and that can happen), and it took them three minutes to transfer the call to LAFD? Wouldn’t FS71 want to know how long since the emergency started, so that they could assess things like how long the house has been burning (in the case of a fire)? This is the only time on the call screen with seconds included (12:21:04). Why is the only time given in seconds also the only time on the screen which doesn’t even need to be there at all (if it’s really nothing other than BHPD trunk line release time)—much less have the exact seconds?? The paramedics really don’t even need to know when the LAFD call center first received the call (much less any BHPD trunk release time); yet even if they did need that info, for some reason, it would be about 12:20:55 (if Norris times are correct)—not 12:21:04!However, if the timing from BHPD is either intentionally fabricated or some huge mistake—and 12:21:04 is the time when the original call first came in to BHPD—then we have a very good reason why it is listed on the FS71 call screen, and even listed in seconds. The exact time (including seconds) listed on the call screen helps the firefighters and paramedics to understand just how long the emergency situation has been in progress, which in turn helps them determine how to respond to the emergency. This would also explain why 12:21:04 is listed on the call screen as “ORIGINAL” call info (not BHPD transfer info)!- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -#4. “The Caller” Was Not AlvarezAlvarez did not actually call “911”, since it was not a real emergency; instead, he used a different number to call someone at the BHPD who was in on it. This key person at BHPD transferred Alvarez’s call to LAFD at 12:21:04; and I was actually referring to him (not Alvarez) when I said “the caller”. Do you think it was an accident that I said “the caller”, and not “Alvarez”? In this scenario, the “911 operator” would refer to an operator taking emergency calls at the LAFD dispatch center (not someone at BHPD).- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -#5. The Beverly Hills HotelThis scenario is essentially the same as #4, except for the following. Nobody from the BHPD was in on it at the time, and no calls went through them—either on regular lines, or on a cell phone. This would therefore reduce the chances of any police showing up at the scene who were not in on the hoax; and it would also reduce the chances of the situation being broadcast on police radios—which paparazzi could hear on their police scanners, and show up at Carolwood, making it more difficult for Chris to get the magic picture. So instead of calling BHPD, Alvarez called someone waiting at the Beverly Hills Hotel; this person then transferred the call on to LAFD at 12:21:04, much like the description above in #4.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -#6. Alvarez Called LAFD DirectlyAlvarez called the LAFD dispatch (at 12:21:04), using a direct number not 911. In this scenario, there was no transfer process either through the BHPD or through someone at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Like #5, this option also keeps the BHPD out of it, and reduces the people who need to be in on it. The time from 12:21:04 (call screen data) to 12:21:18 (Ruda) could be a transfer from whoever first answered at LAFD, to a specific person planned in advance who was in on it at LAFD (and same for #4 & #5, above).- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -#7. Think For YourselfJust like everything else in this illusion, no explanation seems to answer all of the questions. Nevertheless, think for yourself; and with the information that I have provided here, see if you can come up with a scenario that I have not specifically described—there is at least one more possibility (and probably several more).- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Which One of the 7?Finally, does it really matter which one of these above 7 options is the correct one? And even if I told you which one, how could I prove it? Just because I know the answer to something does not mean I say the answer; I normally limit my statements to things that I can back up pretty solidly (except of course the things that I’ve said jokingly). [...]
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI don't really believe TS is Murray. But I do believe Murray is Michael metaphorically and so therefore...well, you follow me.EXACTLY bec! Yes, TS wrote in the previous thread that he is Murray and now Murray says he is The Source but it is written and said metaphorically. I do also believe that Murray represents Michael in this case.Purelove, I am lost now, you had said that Ts maybe Michael or someone close to him now he is Murray THE SOURCE?? I don't think he is Murray at all.. Maybe I misunderstood..
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI don't really believe TS is Murray. But I do believe Murray is Michael metaphorically and so therefore...well, you follow me.EXACTLY bec! Yes, TS wrote in the previous thread that he is Murray and now Murray says he is The Source but it is written and said metaphorically. I do also believe that Murray represents Michael in this case.Purelove, I am lost now, you had said that Ts maybe Michael or someone close to him now he is Murray THE SOURCE?? I don't think he is Murray at all.. Maybe I misunderstood..I made the part you missed in my post bigger.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI don't really believe TS is Murray. But I do believe Murray is Michael metaphorically and so therefore...well, you follow me.EXACTLY bec! Yes, TS wrote in the previous thread that he is Murray and now Murray says he is The Source but it is written and said metaphorically. I do also believe that Murray represents Michael in this case.Purelove, I am lost now, you had said that Ts maybe Michael or someone close to him now he is Murray THE SOURCE?? I don't think he is Murray at all.. Maybe I misunderstood..I made the part you missed in my post bigger. Now you are talking baby.. lol thanks for clearing this up.. Too tired my brains are fried. lol
So the phone call made by Alverez from Carolwood drive was picked up at the Beverly Hills Hotel, nothing more and nothing less. I hope it is helpful for those who see (to many wild) bears on the road who are not there. /overreacting/You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginOoooopssss I made a little mistake........I mean "was picked up by the cell site at the BH-Hotel
Ooooopssss I made a little mistake........I mean "was picked up by the cell site at the BH-Hotel
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...][...][...]TS, through his teachings (which is what I think of his posts as and yes, I look forward to every single word he writes...because this world is greatly lacking in REAL teachers)...has helped us peel the cobwebs from our eyes and shown us just how conditioned we really are. He didn't just tell us and he didn't just show us....he HELPED us see it for ourselves, he guided us to see it for ourselves. If you believe that Mike is speaking to us through TS (and I cannot understand how people can doubt that!)....then it is MIKE'S lessons we are learning and his guidance we are CHOOSING to accept. I stated awhile back that, through this adventure, Mike has--in the most intimate of ways---shared himself with us. He has invited us into his mind....the most intimate, sacred, and most powerful part of himself....in order to 'teach' US how to awaken ours. YOU can choose to read his every word and try to learn something from it....or if that doesn't interest you, then YOU can choose to ignore it. But to ignore, undermine, or worse yet bash, TS...just might end up being your real 'wake-up call' come BAMsday....when you realize you're not ready cause you've missed half the lessons.[...][...][...]
[...][...][...]TS, through his teachings (which is what I think of his posts as and yes, I look forward to every single word he writes...because this world is greatly lacking in REAL teachers)...has helped us peel the cobwebs from our eyes and shown us just how conditioned we really are. He didn't just tell us and he didn't just show us....he HELPED us see it for ourselves, he guided us to see it for ourselves. If you believe that Mike is speaking to us through TS (and I cannot understand how people can doubt that!)....then it is MIKE'S lessons we are learning and his guidance we are CHOOSING to accept. I stated awhile back that, through this adventure, Mike has--in the most intimate of ways---shared himself with us. He has invited us into his mind....the most intimate, sacred, and most powerful part of himself....in order to 'teach' US how to awaken ours. YOU can choose to read his every word and try to learn something from it....or if that doesn't interest you, then YOU can choose to ignore it. But to ignore, undermine, or worse yet bash, TS...just might end up being your real 'wake-up call' come BAMsday....when you realize you're not ready cause you've missed half the lessons.[...][...][...]
