"ALLEGED VICTIM" ? MICHAEL J JACKSON

[scorpionchik]

PEARL J TWEETED THIS VIDEO FROM TMZ. THE LADY READS VERDICT CALLING MICHAEL 'ALLEGED' VICTIM ISTEAD OF PROVED VICTIM.... VERY ODD!

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/conrad-murray-verdict-guilty/?adid=hero1

[pepper]

Yes! She says "alleged victim, Michael Joseph Jackson"  "alleged date June 25, 2009"

Here is video of the entire reading of verdict  (TMZ had a shortened version)

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2011/11/07/nr-sot-murray-trial-verdict.cnn

[PureLove]

Yes, it is because there is NO victim at all.

[Jennie]

I thought that was odd as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged

I went to look for the definition of the word on wikipedia and this is what came up:

An allegation (also called adduction) is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims to be able to prove. Allegations remain assertions without proof, until they can be proved.[1]

Generally in a civil complaint a plaintiff alleges facts sufficient to establish all the elements of the claim and thus states a cause of action. The plaintiff must then carry the burden of proof and the burden of persuasion in order to succeed in the lawsuit.

A defendant can allege affirmative defenses in its answer to the complaint.

[Aidan_81]

Anyone studying law here? From US?
Guess we should wait for Nov 29 when Judge
has his final word, maybe "alleged" is normally used term,
anyone watched any other recent US trials with conviction?
When I have time I'll try to clear this one, maybe something online, but better get comment from US law ppl if you know any.

[gwynned]

It is the criminal that is 'alleged', at least until guilt has been proven.  I guess they're saying the victim is alleged, because they haven't proven who that is yet!!!

[mjj4ever777]

This shows you how the majority of Humanity have lost the ability to "think for themselves!!! Why hasn't anyone else picked up on this???? This is a Blatent attempt to open some eyes, but most can't see what is right in front of them!!!

OH Michael...How do we break through to them?? Follow the path of LOVE... Love you guys!

[scorpionchik]

Actually, the term "ALLEGED VICTIM" can be related to 'be proven beyond reasonable doubt" doctrine, which in the USA means prosecutor successfully proved, but it does not mean Murray killed Michael.
In the contrary, Casey Anthony was found NOT guilty, but it does not mean she did not kill her daughter but prosecutor failed to prove it.
In Nov. 29th will be CM sentencing how long he will be in prison; it should not change "ALLEGED" victim term to proven victim if that is a common term. But I doubt so.

[stefy66]

Alleged victim but....the toy is not alleged! Anyone has seen it in the court room yesterday?:-)))))

[simalves]

Actually 'alleged' means that an event happened but there was no third witness to prove it. Just the victim and perpetrator. So the part that Michael died is not alleged, it is alleged that he is a victim, meaning that Conrad caused it.

[_Anna_]

Actually 'alleged' means that an event happened but there was no third witness to prove it. Just the victim and perpetrator. So the part that Michael died is not alleged, it is alleged that he is a victim, meaning that Conrad caused it.

But, I simply don't get it. In OJ Simpson was? In Casey Anthony was? In Casey Anthony no one saw the crime taking place and  her daughter wasn't called ALLEGED victim, was she?  Do you have an official statement, doc., to backup this?  You say the victim part is alleged - then if they don't know beyond a reasonable doubt that Murray killed him, why was he convicted? If Murray didn't cause it, how did they reach the GUILTY verdict?

I don't understand anymore

[StrangerInCalifornia]

I believe the proper way to state it would be that Murray was the alleged perpetrator of acts of involuntary manslaughter against victim Michael Jackson. Although Murray would no longer be alleged perpetrator anymore since he was found guilty. There should NOT be an alleged victim or date if Michael were really dead.

[wishingstar]

The judge was the first one to first one to point this out.  When he opened the verdict envelope he said there was a typo.....a wrong date was written for the "alleged incident" it was written June 9, 2009 changed by juror #3 to June  25th, 2009.......(16 days difference 1+6=7) .......and that the juror had made "squiggly lines":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdqBNwWqJyQ

I didn't see this info posted....sorry if has already been pointed out.
What happened June 9th...I am a bit foggy, but it seems there was something....it's a familiar.  How is it they wrote 9th and not 25th....big difference......

Blessings

[gwynned]

According to this ABC news report, the jury was not sequestered even during the admittedly short deliberations.  Really?????  NOW they're going to an undisclosed location?

And, is there anyone on the planet who would not flinch at being proven to be the cause of the death of the King of Pop.

It's gotta be tough for ol' Diane Sawyer to know she's covering for a bunch of lies.  Not the best actor, but these have to be tough times for her.

[paula-c]

"Alleged "  It is said of something which is assumed as true, but may not be so