A Hard to accept but Truthful outcome of Michael Jackson

[Raikiramari]

You know what? I'm going to completely ignore this Trial, Michael taught us not to get involved with the Media and to ignore the Media. I wanted to watch the Trial, then I realized exactly what Michael's message was.

That we pay way too much attention to the Media.

This Trial doesn't determine in anyway that Michael is Dead or alive, this Trial is something Michael has planned and wanted us to avoid because it's all part of the Media. Michael is trying to teach us a lesson about dismissing Tabloid Junk, yet we don't realize that even this Trial is pulling us towards the Media. Now that I realize I've watched this Trial, I feel grossly disappointed in myself for not realizing Michael's message sooner.

Think about it, we all let this Trial get to us... which is the reason we all watch it, to compensate for our own selfish needs, Michael wanted to teach us peace, unity and love.

Did you notice how the fans stuck together like glue during the Child molestation Trials in 1993 and 2005? that's pure unity.

Michael has played with our emotions through this Trial, to teach us an important lesson, now that our unity has split. We shouldn't ignore his messages, we should pay close attention to what he tried to preach for such a long time to us that we constantly ignored, even without seeing it.

I'm leaving the Forums soon, I'm tired of the assumptions through this Court case. I want to walk away and feel proud that I acknowledged Michael's teachings.

Keep on beLIEving, no matter the circumstance.

Dear Raikiramari I feel everything you said above,BELIEVE me  .From the begining I knew that I dont want to watch the TRIAL,not AGAIN  ,this is what I feel and I want to be honest with you and everyone who is reading my post.
This part of your post,really hit me hard,because is EXACTLY what I THINK about THE TRIAL:

I wanted to watch the Trial, then I realized exactly what Michael's message was..................which is the reason we all watch it, to compensate for our own selfish needs, Michael wanted to teach us peace, unity and love.........................We shouldn't ignore his messages, we should pay close attention to what he tried to preach for such a long time to us that we constantly ignored, even without seeing it

Now I want to tell what I feel from my point of wiew,by showing you 3 things,that I think represents very well on what we should FOCUSE:

1. “People always say, oh they’ll take care of it..they’ll, they who? It starts with us…us, or it’ll never be done."

(Michael in THIS IS IT)

2. "People don't even eat with their fathers anymore, or their mothers. The family bond has been broken, it's an outcry for attention." (Michael gets emotional here and breaks down)

"Why are kids going to school with guns? They want to be touched, they want to be held, but they [the parents] are busy off on their day job and they leave them at home on the computer and they're just doing all kinds of crazy stuff. And that's destroying our bond. We need to bond again, that's very important."

"I'm just very sensitive to their pain and I am very sensitive to the family, the human condition, you know? On that subject, it means a lot to me and I want to help. Whatever I can to help that..... Everything, in my heart, is for them."

(Michael to Martin Bashir )

3.Recently Miss Cast Away movie was released on DVD ,and will be broadcast on TV also.On 29 july Hesouttamylife posted a info about this but no one replied.Recently a member of this forum who's name is Tove posted this news again,and no one saw it,this time also . My point is that THIS MOVIE has a serious MESSAGE and I said this before but no one noticed I guess. For the first time I saw this movie I felt is something DIFFERENT.Here is a short describe of the movie:

The film is a comedy that spoofs movies and television programs like Miss Congeniality, Planet of the Apes, Cast Away, Love Boat, Gilligan's Island, The Sixth Sense, Jurassic Park, Men in Black and more. Michael Jackson plays the role of Agent MJ. Jackson's scenes were shot at his Neverland Ranch home. The DVD includes 20 minutes of unreleased, never before seen Michael Jackson footage, not limited to interviews of the world's greatest entertainer.

And now the conclusion ,lol  .Last year I saw on youtube part 10 of the Movie Cast AWAY,but after some time that video was gone  :?.The 10-th part had the CREDITS also.Down the video I saw a COMMENT that I want to share with you all:

People this is not ENTERTAINMENT!!!It's criptic message left by Mj.Every single character in this movie is a METAPHOR for something TAKING OVER OUR LIFES.......(one clue:THE POPCORN and COOL DRINK CARTOON represents CINEMA or MAKE BELIEVE- Mj wants to destroy it) wow.I can finally say after seeing this movie ,I can see his full picture and MISSION!!!

LOVE

That's what I'm getting at, I know people insist the Trial is giving out evidence to us beLIEvers... but that isn't the case, we're doing it again, ignoring Michael's message about the lies, the Media and what is really important.

What is important, is unifying. If we want to "Make the world a better place" we shouldn't ignore him.

[Kim]

The only reason I still believe is that there are no clear pictures of MJ being dead. Not one clear photo. How is that possible? He is the most famous person in the world.
And then  the closed casket at the memorial, not a chance for the fans to say goodbye to MJ and to look at him for the last time.
 
When my niece died she had an open casket at her funeral, she was hit by a drunk driver. She had bruises on her face and hands, a beautiful young lady a week after her 21th birthday, torned away from life  :cry: . I mean you have to give people a chance to say goodbye.
 
They give him 3 years in prison, just because of the fact that the man was 73 years old. 
 

[PureLove]

Do not underestimate Michael and what he is capable of. Murray can even go to home jail, would you believe it? Keep on believing whatever happens because he is alive and he is going to come back!

[scary4youbaby]

 Recently I have been questioning my belief in Michael being alive but I always wind up remembering all the hoax evidence that I've learned over this difficult time.  I guess it's a small world after all because my boyfriend's little brother recently sprained his ankle and he went to the local doc. We live in a VERY SMALL town in Cali. He told me that his doctor, Dr.Dwight James had treated Michael before and that Murray is his cousin and that he is very sad that all this is happening. I was like  WTF??  Then I found out more and I came across this.

Local doctor said ‘No' to Michael Jackson's Diprivan request
July 22, 2009 5:14 PMIf Michael Jackson had taken the advice of Dr. Dwight James of Porterville Valley Prompt Care, he might be alive today.
James’ Los Angeles office was giving vitamin therapy to the pop idol when, in April, his nurse and nutritional counselor Cherilyn Lee called about Jackson’s request for the drug Diprivan.
“I said ‘Absolutely not,’” James said from his Porterville clinic. “Diprivan is not something he should have been taking, and I refused to OK it.”
Lee continues to field questions from broadcast and print journalists about the suspicion that Diprivan (also known as Propofol) may have been part of the reason for Jackson’s demise.
A second autopsy, performed June 27 by a private pathologist, allegedly revealed “potentially lethal traces” of the anesthetic Propofol, or Diprivan, in Jackson’s system.
According to CNN News, in early July, Lee told The Associated Press that Jackson had “begged” her for Diprivan. The request, James said, was denied because of the real potential for harm.
“Diprivan,” James said, “is not a drug to be taken lightly. If Michael had just listened and continued his therapy, he could very well be alive today.”
Whatever the cause of Jackson’s death will prove to be, he will be remembered and adored for his musical contributions, and his often unnoticed contributions to the welfare of others.


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That's him.

[PureLove]

The only reason I still believe is that there are no clear pictures of MJ being dead. Not one clear photo. How is that possible? He is the most famous person in the world.
And then  the closed casket at the memorial, not a chance for the fans to say goodbye to MJ and to look at him for the last time.
 
When my niece died she had an open casket at her funeral, she was hit by a drunk driver. She had bruises on her face and hands, a beautiful young lady a week after her 21th birthday, torned away from life  :cry: . I mean you have to give people a chance to say goodbye.
 
They give him 3 years in prison, just because of the fact that the man was 73 years old. 

I am so sorry for your niece. :cry: And just 3 years? That is not fair. Life is not fair.

[all4loveandbelieve]

The only reason I still believe is that there are no clear pictures of MJ being dead. Not one clear photo. How is that possible? He is the most famous person in the world.
And then  the closed casket at the memorial, not a chance for the fans to say goodbye to MJ and to look at him for the last time.
 
When my niece died she had an open casket at her funeral, she was hit by a drunk driver. She had bruises on her face and hands, a beautiful young lady a week after her 21th birthday, torned away from life  :cry: . I mean you have to give people a chance to say goodbye.
 
They give him 3 years in prison, just because of the fact that the man was 73 years old. 
 

Kim I am so sorry about your niece.. May she rest in peace. It is not easy to lose a loved one and as precious as a young  woman..

[all4loveandbelieve]

I would like to know where you find this is media? It is a trial.. Court room. That is no media. We are simply listening to witnesses. It is not the media who is defending Murray real lawyers. This has been fabricated by Michael, so where do you see the Media?? If you can give me a concrete debate then I would tell you it was nice meeting you.. For now it is not really concrete. You probably are losing faith, and you are taking this excuse to leave the forum.. You are entitled to believe what ever you want.. For me Michael is alive, nothing makes sense.. The ambulance picture is fake, the gurney picture is fake, and the autopsy pic is fake.. Nothing is real.. Remember all the slip ups of Jermaine, he left way before to the airport.. Why Airport?? Someone can have twist of the tongue, but a similar word to hospital, he could have said hospice, just example, why airport?? I will tell you why, when you want to hide things, the more effort you put into it, the more it will come out. I know it happens to me.. So take the slip ups of Jermaine and put them in good use.. I hope I made my points across, and made you change your mind. 
Blessings.

[alfarle]

Raii, I hope you don't leave us.  I've enjoyed your comments and getting to know you on the trial chat.  I'd miss you being there.  I understand what you are staying completely.  I've never understood the intense driving force to "figure out" they why of the hoax.  I presume if Michael wanted us to know, it wouldn't have taken him over two years to let us know.  It's become a contest of who's right and who'd wrong and if you believe different you'll hear it.  So, yes I think we've lost what is important in all of this.  BUT, being here helps.  It gives us outlet to talk about our thoughts and feelings about Michael and all of this without being deemed all those awful words Michael lived with.  Also, I think being involved in the trial, is not so much about believing the media..because we are getting it right from the act of the trial it's self, and NOT the media.  The trial must be tremendously important to have lead to it and to have it give us so many clues, and lies!  Ignoring it is ignoring what Michael is showing you.  Yes he taught us other things, but we have an on going message here still he's giving to us.  It's not about the media.  If we only got our info through the media I could understand.  But, we are essentially there to take note of and learn whatever it is he wants.
I hope you stay.

I can't make a decision, ford. I've been trying to comprehend this for a long time.

But that's the problem, ignoring it is the only way of solving it. For those who want to continue watching the Trial, that's fine. I stand by myself here.

I too have thought about dismissing the trial and such due to the fact that some of the details try to sway me to believe that he really did have a problem....and that's not cool.Before I officially became an active member on this site, I found my emotions to be getting TOO deeply involved in what's going on with the CASE in itself and became saddened AND confused. So it's like when I see the trial now, it's nothing but one soap opera in my eyes....like "what's going to happen next". I tune in to pay attention to the hidden messages(using my "third eye") that I may have not grasped the concept of before. All of that negativity within the case is pretty juvenile saying that MJ injected this...and he did that. It's the factual things that are more important.

But nonetheless, I totally agree with you. The trial can bring forth feelings. It is best to stay away from the trial if that's what your HEART tells you to do. :)Just pls don't leave the forum. Ure cool peeps!

[scorpionchik]

@allforlove  what you mean it is fake license? I am getting info from CA Medical Board. CM graduated foreign medical school, but in order to practice in the USA he had to take and pass exam in the USA at any state so it would  appear on that board. Yes, I do question your friend's credibility on this one.

[2good2btrue]

This man has a past.....he does exist, but whether MJ is posing as him is what I sometimes believe..

Once again, MJ has many looks, and has changed his face that many times, that I wouldn't be suprised this is the ILLUSION he was planning all along.......faking a height is difficult, but also possible....I believe there is a real Murray, but he also seems to look different at many times.

The ultimate truth will be revealed at the end of the trial.....I will wait till then to make up my mind, and accept that he is really gone.......

I still think it was murray in disguise at MJ's private funeral, unless anyone can prove me wrong...this is in my opinion of course...but if this is true, then we need not question whether MJ is alive or not anymore.!!!

[quinnnadu]

I understand what you guys are saying but you are failing to understand that if Conrad Murray is convicted of manslaughter, then Michael comes out and says he is alive. The members of the family intiating the trial will be tried and charged with purgery. As well as all the practitioners claiming to have autopsied Michael.

[Stillbelieve]

@Allforlove
 
This is 10th times I am posting this info, really people? Conrad Robert Murray license exists on medical board and was suspended. I am not saying I give up on hoax theory over the trial, maybe whoever the defendant is not doctor Conrad Murray, I don't know, but the licensed cardiologist Murray is out there.
 
 

	PATIENT CARE - 40+ HOURS RESEARCH - NO HOURS TEACHING - 1 TO 9 HOURS ADMINISTRATION - 40+ HOURS OTHER - 10 TO 19 HOURS
Primary Practice Location Zip Code:	89119
Board Certification(s):	No board certifications identified
Primary Practice Area(s):	CARDIOLOGY
Secondary Practice Area(s):	INTERNAL MEDICINE
Post Graduate Training Years:	9+ YEARS
Ethnic Background:	Declined to Disclose
Foreign Language(s):	Declined to Disclose
Gender:	Declined to Disclose

 

	G 71169 Licensee may be a U.S. or Canadian medical school graduate whose pathway to licensure was based on the NBME examination.
License Type:	Physician and Surgeon
Name:	CONRAD ROBERT MURRAY, M.D.
Address of Record:	PO BOX 72216 LAS VEGAS, NV 89170
Address of Record County:	OUT OF STATE
License Status:	Licensee has been suspended. No practice is permitted.
Public Record Action(s):	Licensee's practice has been temporarily restricted or limited pursuant to a court order. Licensee was reprimanded for a minor violation(s) of the law. This is considered disciplinary action. Another state or the federal govenment has disciplined licensee.
Original Issue Date:	April 22, 1991
Expiration Date:	February 28, 2011
School Name:	MEHARRY MEDICAL COLLEGE SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
Year Graduated:	1989

Yes I agree. He is a real person. He is not Robert Earl Carter. He is Conrad Murray. I too have checked the licence info you posted here over 2 years ago as well as reading through his intellius files etc. Conrad Murray is a real person with a real licence.

[MJonmind]

Here's the list of Dr. Murray's patients and friends.

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I guess that's who the youtube video was to.  Is the patient who testified on this list?

Remember the videos a hoaxer made showing his Houston clinic a derelict empty building? And I know there's more...

[Kim]

I did read somewhere that Robert Earl Carter changed his name into Conrad Murray in February 2009. That's the year when the whole ''circus'' began right?

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

Hi all. Just wanted to say that there is NO WAY IN HELL that i will ever give up on DH even if CM is found guilty. i will never give up on DH even if MJ does not BAM. Just like you can show me a picture a million times of neil armstrong walking the moon, and i will forever refuse to belivehe did it! (lol)

i know that is really easy for me to say at this stage, as i have not been a believer for two years nor waiting for BAM for two years, like many of the other wonderfully dedicated people on this forum, who have been relentlessly waiting, figuring out clues and keeping the faith for so long now.... however, when i vacate my mind completely about the trial and shift it right out of my mind completely for a moment and purely think and focus, on everything i have learned and am still learning about lyrics, TII, family statements, funeral / memorial saga, testimonies of friends saying he might be hiding, dave dave, hatman, larry kind comments, inaccuracies / conflicting stories from family and professionals about the circumstances in which he died, incorrect documents, VERY important documents with spelling and date inconsistancies, PLUS the (thank you GOD) many posts from BACK from years ago, that i have had the priveledge to be able to access and read - then the hoax still exists regardless of the trial. the result of this trial CAN NOT, WILL NOT, EVER eliminate and erase all I / we have seen / read / learned about DH.

Just also want to respond to a few comments made. My comments are in red.

@Allforlove
 


This is 10th times I am posting this info, really people? Conrad Robert Murray license exists on medical board and was suspended. I am not saying I give up on hoax theory over the trial, maybe whoever the defendant is not doctor Conrad Murray, I don't know, but the licensed cardiologist Murray is out there.
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thank you for posting this. so a real CM is out there who is a cardiologist. for those who might lose faith and think, "there you go, he isnt an actor, he is a real treating DR. Well, for all we knew MJ could have paid off this real cardiologist, (CM) to do his part in this.

I have long been a supporter of Michael Jackson being alive still and hoaxing his death. Ive had this view now since the death and after being a long time supporter of Michael Jackson since my early childhood.

But in all honesty the outcome of the Conrad Murray trial will completely resolve the possibilty of a death hoax. [dot]REPLY:[/dot] don't understand how this trial or the outcome could simply disolve all of the evidence of DH. this comment baffles me completely. regardless of this trial, there is still far more evidence of DH than there is of actual death. HOW does guilty verdict eliminate the fact that there is no real evidence of his death and so much evidence of a well and long planned DH? If Michael Jackson was reall hoaxing his death, then member of the family would not have pushed for a case against Connrad Murray. [dot]REPLY:[/dot] sounds like you have already made your mind up regardless of verdict anyways. of course the family had to push for courtcase. everyone is playing their part. if they didnt - that would not only 'look wrong' and not support hoax and reasons for hoax.[/color] Because as people may know, a guilty verdict, along side with a Michael Jackson bam in the furture would result in purgery as well as further legal remifications against Michael Jackson and his benefactors. [dot]REPLY:[/dot] not if its not even a real courtcase or a real guilty verdict. only time will tell if this is even a real courtroom, or simply a courtroom drama filmed in a courtroom. TIME.....

Its a hard to accept truth, and as much as I wanted to overlook it, this trial is the answer we have been looking for.

[dot]REPLY:[/dot] just also want to say, that maybe take a step back. Look at it this way, the courtcase is not the REASON for DH. as we have learned there are deep and serious reasons that MJ made a drastic decision to fake is death. the way i see it, the courtcase is merely a by product of DH. MJ 'died' so naturally, just like with any other human esp celebrities, a courtcase needs to be carried out. MJ wrote this into DH and now its being carried out. we are learning lessons from this courtcase too. this DH sure has many facets. courtcase is only one of them. a guilty verdict does not eliminate DH![/color]

Do not underestimate Michael and what he is capable of. Murray can even go to home jail, would you believe it? Keep on believing whatever happens because he is alive and he is going to come back!

@ Purelove, you are beautiful. Thank you for being so positive. X

we should never underestimate. so true. i feel that if people lose faith because of this trial, then they are missing the point. also it is as if they are giving MJ ultimatums. (not sure if that is the best way to describe, the notion that i am trying to articulate)


in addition to my comments above just want to note something else. i dont mean to be controversial. and I am not saying that  people are deliberately insulting MJ. however, should individuals lose faith and no longer chose to believe in DH if a guilty verdict is reached and actually decide to believe he died in 09, personally the way i percieve this, as insulting to mj to think that he is a bad enough father to take that many drugs or allow himself to be administered drugs so risky that he could die, knowing he would be leaving three precious little people that adore and need him so much.