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[marisjm]

On the boards, on Twitter, in life - if you talk about Michael still being alive you are told all sorts of ugly things.  We are not disrespecting Michael or hurting anyone.  We should all be allowed to believe or not believe without the ugliness.  We all have a right to think what we will.

[Raikiramari]

On the boards, on Twitter, in life - if you talk about Michael still being alive you are told all sorts of ugly things.  We are not disrespecting Michael or hurting anyone.  We should all be allowed to believe or not believe without the ugliness.  We all have a right to think what we will.

I just really want everything back to normal, if you ask me I prefer the haters hating and the Fans being normal fans.

I can't keep up with the Haters, the Non-beLIEvers, those who don't know, the beLIEvers and the people who just don't care at all...

I-I think I might leave.

[all4loveandbelieve]

I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be..

It's not a Non-beLIEver Forum, there ARE beLIEvers there. It's just an ordinary Public Fan Forum, but the beLIEvers are being forced out due to biased people, so nobody is subjecting themselves to anything.

But, don't you think everyone has a right to an opinion? like I said, it's not a Non-beLIEver Forum.

Yes, everyone should have the right their opinion, and they should be biast to the opinion. Unfortunetely we live in a society that people ridicule  and makes you feel inadequate when posting an opinion. We are all different with different ideas, and combining these ideas together we can come to a conclusion, instead of mocking eachother all the time.

[Raikiramari]

I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be..

It's not a Non-beLIEver Forum, there ARE beLIEvers there. It's just an ordinary Public Fan Forum, but the beLIEvers are being forced out due to biased people, so nobody is subjecting themselves to anything.

But, don't you think everyone has a right to an opinion? like I said, it's not a Non-beLIEver Forum.

Yes, everyone should have the right their opinion, and they should be biast to the opinion. Unfortunetely we live in a society that people ridicule  and makes you feel inadequate when posting an opinion. We are all different with different ideas, and combining these ideas together we can come to a conclusion, instead of mocking eachother all the time.

I feel that people should be working together, rather than arguing about everything, but that's just how society works no matter how hard people try to change it.

If only

[all4loveandbelieve]

I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be..

It's not a Non-beLIEver Forum, there ARE beLIEvers there. It's just an ordinary Public Fan Forum, but the beLIEvers are being forced out due to biased people, so nobody is subjecting themselves to anything.

But, don't you think everyone has a right to an opinion? like I said, it's not a Non-beLIEver Forum.

Yes, everyone should have the right their opinion, and they should be biast to the opinion. Unfortunetely we live in a society that people ridicule  and makes you feel inadequate when posting an opinion. We are all different with different ideas, and combining these ideas together we can come to a conclusion, instead of mocking eachother all the time.

I feel that people should be working together, rather than arguing about everything, but that's just how society works no matter how hard people try to change it.

If only

You are absolutely right. This is part of human nature, and at times we can improve but we cannot change. People will remain people, the only thing is that we can only fix ourselves, and if everyone would take the time to  see our own flaws and try to fix them we would be living in a better society.. At times people take out their anger towards others, it is easier this way then doing soul searching, it takes too much time out of our busy life.. I for one, always respected everyone's opinion even if I see it does not make sense. I am not saying I am perfect, far from it, but I try to not make a harsh judgement towards another human being. Keep on voicing your opinions whether your opinion is right or wrong, funny or serious, just do what makes you happy. Life is too short to think what your neighbour will think of your opinions. blessings.

[GINAFELICIA]

I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be..

It's not that easy.
I had friends there, we wanted to be there because we met each other on that forum.
We were there for 6-7 months, I don't remember exactly, but they forced us out, closing our accounts many times.....so I finally came here, well we still have a small group on facebook.....but it's not the same thing as it used to be.

And I was following TIAI, so I came here, but I still visit the official forum from time to time.
But I have to take care what I write, I don't want my 6th account to be closed /pull hair/

[Raikiramari]

I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be..

It's not that easy.
I had friends there, we wanted to be there because we met each other on that forum.
We were there for 6-7 months, I don't remember exactly, but they forced us out, closing our accounts many times.....so I finally came here, well we still have a small group on facebook.....but it's not the same thing as it used to be.

And I was following TIAI, so I came here, but I still visit the official forum from time to time.
But I have to take care what I write, I don't want my 6th account to be closed /pull hair/

Yeah, I know over Six people on this Forum that I'm good friends with. You can't JUST let people bully you like that, this is the problem.

If you stand up for yourself, they tease or bully even more. I really wish it would just stop, because it's just not right. I mean sure, just saying "Well, I kinda disagree with you there and here's why:" would be pretty sufficient enough, rather than saying "I bet you're one of those people who believes Elvis is alive too!" then laughing about it, it's hard to avoid because it's YOUR belief and if they don't like it they shouldn't tell you that you're wrong or make false assumptions.

There's a HUGE difference between being nice about your opinion and teasing/bullying someone about their opinion.

[PureLove]

Unfortunately fans separated from each other after some of them started to see the oddities and controversies in Michael's so called death. Non-believers think that we're still grieving and can not accept that Michael is gone and these non-believers are the polite ones. Rude ones directly say that we are crazy and very disrespectful to Michael. I was on the MJ Turk Fan forum and I was banned after I told that I'm a believer and told about the inconsistencies around MJ's death. So, that was the last time I was on a forum where non-believers were on. I was also writing on CNN blogs and trying to show it to non-believers but I became sure that it is impossible to be on the same platform and share somethings with them. So, I don't go any other forums, this is the only place I'm on and I'm so glad that I'm surrounded with people who understand me and feel and see exactly the same things with me. Unfortunately that bullying believers will not end till Michael comes back in flesh and bone.

[GINAFELICIA]

I don't understand why they say we hurt them.
I have moments when I am convinced Michael died yet I come here and it doesn't hurt me to read  here that you guys still believe. It doesn't hurt me at all.  I don't understand why they say we hurt them. Maybe is it part of the hoax  suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//.
I've been thinking something is very odd about it.

[Raikiramari]

Unfortunately fans separated from each other after some of them started to see the oddities and controversies in Michael's so called death. Non-believers think that we're still grieving and can not accept that Michael is gone and these non-believers are the polite ones. Rude ones directly say that we are crazy and very disrespectful to Michael. I was on the MJ Turk Fan forum and I was banned after I told that I'm a believer and told about the inconsistencies around MJ's death. So, that was the last time I was on a forum where non-believers were on. I was also writing on CNN blogs and trying to show it to non-believers but I became sure that it is impossible to be on the same platform and share somethings with them. So, I don't go any other forums, this is the only place I'm on and I'm so glad that I'm surrounded with people who understand me and feel and see exactly the same things with me. Unfortunately that bullying believers will not end till Michael comes back in flesh and bone.

I honestly don't mind the Non- beLIEvers who think we're compensating, as long as they don't become agressive about it.
However, the Non-beLIEvers who name people as Mental or stupid, or gang up onto people are disgusting as I see it.

When people scream to me that Michael is dead, it puts a hole through  my heart because I spent since June 25th 2011 believing in what I knew was right, only to be degraded by people who act as though they want him dead. Even the FANS do this, the fans say to me "He's F-cking dead, get over it." then they pull the entire "You're not a real fan." scenario and it HURTS.

I remember back before June 25th 2009, almost EVERYONE got along now it's like a nightmare.

"Nation To Nation
All The World
Must Come Together
Face The Problems
That We See
Then Maybe Somehow We Can Work It Out
I Asked My Neighbor
For A Favor
She Said Later
What Has Come Of
All The People
Have We Lost Love
Of What It's About"

"The World Keeps Changing
Rearranging Minds
And Thoughts"

"Confusions Contradict
The Self
Do We Know Right
From Wrong
I Just Want You To
Recognize Me
In The Temple"

What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.
It isn't. It's the beginning.

[Raikiramari]

I don't understand why they say we hurt them.
I have moments when I am convinced Michael died yet I come here and it doesn't hurt me to read  here that you guys still believe. It doesn't hurt me at all.  I don't understand why they say we hurt them. Maybe is it part of the hoax  suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//.
I've been thinking something is very odd about it.

I don't understand either Gina, I have those moments too but it has never had an impact on me.

I guess people want to refuse the truth sometimes, people on hear what they want to hear...

[all4loveandbelieve]

I don't understand why they say we hurt them.
I have moments when I am convinced Michael died yet I come here and it doesn't hurt me to read  here that you guys still believe. It doesn't hurt me at all.  I don't understand why they say we hurt them. Maybe is it part of the hoax  suspicious// suspicious// suspicious// .
I've been thinking something is very odd about it.

I don't understand either Gina, I have those moments too but it has never had an impact on me.

I guess people want to refuse the truth sometimes, people on hear what they want to hear...

I don't understand them either, if you are a fan of Michael wouldn't you be so happy to feel that he may be alive? Explore the fact he may be alive, give it a chance. I feel they are brained washed by the Illuminati lol.. I am joking now. Please do not take it seriously..

[alfarle]

Souza, sorry to be a pain in the ass but if this is in the wrong part of the Forum, please let me know, or any other Member for that matter.
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Alright, I actually didn't want to have to do this but it seems to be happening quite frequently and I'm tired of it happening.

Why, when a beLIEver comes onto a normal Michael Jackson Forum, do people start to bully them into believing that Michael is actually dead. It happened to my friend, I'm not so happy about it either.

There seems to be one particular Forum that doesn't tolerate beLIEvers so well and it agitates me, all she does is mention a theory to another Member and they attack her.

Later they tell her that they are deliberately winding her up, who does that? honestly.

I just feel that if the Non-beLIEvers pick on the beLIEvers way too much, if they have a problem with it, then why don't they make their own Forum for the Non-beLIEvers, instead of causing arguments between people and ganging up. It's a PUBLIC forum, you don't like it? then you get lost.

That's the problem, there are VIP Members that act so "Holier than Thou" and it twists my nerves real bad, any help PLEASE?

Online bullying is WRONG to begin with regardless of the degree. EVERYONE should be titled to their OWN opinion w/out being biased...so whoever it was that was doing the bullying isn't right, and even if they do believe MJ is "dead" then they should STILL respect his demeanor and represent fairness and openmindedness. So they sound like they're no different from these shady media companies.

Thanks Alfarle, this is what I'm trying to say, though I'm not so good with words.

I just think that the people who go to these Forums don't expect others to be so harsh towards their beliefs. It's like bullying someone to convert Religion (Although Religion is a bigger matter) it's wrong and I don't understand why everyone can't just get along with eachother.

I realize that this can be directed at either groups, but I've yet to actually see beLIEvers bully people the way Non-beLIEvers do.

I'm not being biased, but it's just from what I've seen so far.

I totally see what you're saying. Some ppl just are hard headed and are not openminded to the TRUTH and possibly as well as probability AND actuality of things. It's sad but that's the world in which we live in....such is life.:( I've noticed that some ppl (believers and non believers) tend to lash out @ the ones who they think know more than they do on either subject..."dead" or alive. It's crazy .

Nonetheless, things will be okay. The truth will eventually reveal itself .Some who were flapping their trap might be left w/the stuck on stupid face, while others will have clarity of the matter all because of their faith and belief. Who knows? :)

[Raikiramari]

Souza, sorry to be a pain in the ass but if this is in the wrong part of the Forum, please let me know, or any other Member for that matter.
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Alright, I actually didn't want to have to do this but it seems to be happening quite frequently and I'm tired of it happening.

Why, when a beLIEver comes onto a normal Michael Jackson Forum, do people start to bully them into believing that Michael is actually dead. It happened to my friend, I'm not so happy about it either.

There seems to be one particular Forum that doesn't tolerate beLIEvers so well and it agitates me, all she does is mention a theory to another Member and they attack her.

Later they tell her that they are deliberately winding her up, who does that? honestly.

I just feel that if the Non-beLIEvers pick on the beLIEvers way too much, if they have a problem with it, then why don't they make their own Forum for the Non-beLIEvers, instead of causing arguments between people and ganging up. It's a PUBLIC forum, you don't like it? then you get lost.

That's the problem, there are VIP Members that act so "Holier than Thou" and it twists my nerves real bad, any help PLEASE?

Online bullying is WRONG to begin with regardless of the degree. EVERYONE should be titled to their OWN opinion w/out being biased...so whoever it was that was doing the bullying isn't right, and even if they do believe MJ is "dead" then they should STILL respect his demeanor and represent fairness and openmindedness. So they sound like they're no different from these shady media companies.

Thanks Alfarle, this is what I'm trying to say, though I'm not so good with words.

I just think that the people who go to these Forums don't expect others to be so harsh towards their beliefs. It's like bullying someone to convert Religion (Although Religion is a bigger matter) it's wrong and I don't understand why everyone can't just get along with eachother.

I realize that this can be directed at either groups, but I've yet to actually see beLIEvers bully people the way Non-beLIEvers do.

I'm not being biased, but it's just from what I've seen so far.

I totally see what you're saying. Some ppl just are hard headed and are not openminded to the TRUTH and possibly as well as probability AND actuality of things. It's sad but that's the world in which we live in....such is life.:( I've noticed that some ppl (believers and non believers) tend to lash out @ the ones who they think know more than they do on either subject..."dead" or alive. It's crazy .

Yes, true.

I've noticed it slightly from the beLIEvers' side (But I've barely ever been around beLIEvers, which may be the case) I've seen it a lot from the Non-beLIEvers. I can understand it might be hard for people, but there's no excuse for the Bullying in either Groups.

[alfarle]

Souza, sorry to be a pain in the ass but if this is in the wrong part of the Forum, please let me know, or any other Member for that matter.
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Alright, I actually didn't want to have to do this but it seems to be happening quite frequently and I'm tired of it happening.

Why, when a beLIEver comes onto a normal Michael Jackson Forum, do people start to bully them into believing that Michael is actually dead. It happened to my friend, I'm not so happy about it either.

There seems to be one particular Forum that doesn't tolerate beLIEvers so well and it agitates me, all she does is mention a theory to another Member and they attack her.

Later they tell her that they are deliberately winding her up, who does that? honestly.

I just feel that if the Non-beLIEvers pick on the beLIEvers way too much, if they have a problem with it, then why don't they make their own Forum for the Non-beLIEvers, instead of causing arguments between people and ganging up. It's a PUBLIC forum, you don't like it? then you get lost.

That's the problem, there are VIP Members that act so "Holier than Thou" and it twists my nerves real bad, any help PLEASE?

Online bullying is WRONG to begin with regardless of the degree. EVERYONE should be titled to their OWN opinion w/out being biased...so whoever it was that was doing the bullying isn't right, and even if they do believe MJ is "dead" then they should STILL respect his demeanor and represent fairness and openmindedness. So they sound like they're no different from these shady media companies.

Thanks Alfarle, this is what I'm trying to say, though I'm not so good with words.

I just think that the people who go to these Forums don't expect others to be so harsh towards their beliefs. It's like bullying someone to convert Religion (Although Religion is a bigger matter) it's wrong and I don't understand why everyone can't just get along with eachother.

I realize that this can be directed at either groups, but I've yet to actually see beLIEvers bully people the way Non-beLIEvers do.

I'm not being biased, but it's just from what I've seen so far.

I totally see what you're saying. Some ppl just are hard headed and are not openminded to the TRUTH and possibly as well as probability AND actuality of things. It's sad but that's the world in which we live in....such is life.:( I've noticed that some ppl (believers and non believers) tend to lash out @ the ones who they think know more than they do on either subject..."dead" or alive. It's crazy .

Yes, true.

I've noticed it slightly from the beLIEvers' side (But I've barely ever been around beLIEvers, which may be the case) I've seen it a lot from the Non-beLIEvers. I can understand it might be hard for people, but there's no excuse for the Bullying in either Groups.

I see. Do you ever get the feeling like you're a bit intimidated to share the news that MJ is alive due to the fact that ppl might think you're crazy or even go as far to say you're "crazy"?

But back to forums, this was the FIRST forum that I have EVER SEEN in regards to the death hoax...so therefore, this must be a pretty legitamate site and resource in regards to the whole truth and nothing but the truth....So help me God. haha. I haven't really seen other forum sites. I know some ppl on youtube talk trash in regards to MJ's death. I've left a couple of comments on a few vids and not one person has lashed out yet. I did tell this one guy that was bragging about LaToya and Paris tweeting him back on the matter that I believed that MJ was still alive....I have't heard from him since. It's like once he found out I was a believer, he closed up. smh. I actually caught him in a lie....