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[Snoopy71]

After listening to the full 4 minute audio today, I couldn't prevent a terrible theory from creeping in.  The audio sounded, not like an intoxicated man (to many coherent thoughts...just sounded slowed down), but the contents sounded like someone who was saying goodbye.  It sounded like the contents of someone who participated in assisted suicide.  Why would Murray tape this? Was he going to use it to claim Michael asked him to help him kill himself?  I could not keep this from creeping in my mind.  Maybe I need grounding.  It really sounded like Michael wanted certain things to be heard.  It worried me.  Sorry if it has been discussed.  This trial is taking too much out of me.

I don't think he was suicidal...but I can see how it would appear that way. But I do think he was frustrated and extemely emotional.  He sounds like he was overwhelmed because he wanted so much for his dream to be realized and he had a lot riding on this playing out perfectly.

I say this because I used to work as a grief counselor.  This conversation has the tone of someone extremely tired and in an very emotional state. He pauses to think about what he's saying (reflection), he slurring (indicative of extreme fatigue), he's talking about his hopes and desires (emotional revelation).
If taken out of context, to a casual listener this would sound like the rantings of an "intoxicated person"....but it's not.  It's a plea for help, for understanding, to vent frustration....not a death wish.

[MeandMyShadow]

After listening to the full 4 minute audio today, I couldn't prevent a terrible theory from creeping in.  The audio sounded, not like an intoxicated man (to many coherent thoughts...just sounded slowed down), but the contents sounded like someone who was saying goodbye.  It sounded like the contents of someone who participated in assisted suicide.  Why would Murray tape this? Was he going to use it to claim Michael asked him to help him kill himself?  I could not keep this from creeping in my mind.  Maybe I need grounding.  It really sounded like Michael wanted certain things to be heard.  It worried me.  Sorry if it has been discussed.  This trial is taking too much out of me.

I don't think he would commit suicide because of his children.  He loved them too much to put them through that.

[anewfan]

I believe 100% this is Michael talking...no doubt whatsoever. :|

I guess I am an odd duck because I was more so picking up on the background noises.  You could clearly hear a fan blowing in the background (if Michael was always cold why would a fan be blowing?- space heaters don't make that much noise)

I thought it sounded like a helicopter noise or something.

[Andrea]

I believe 100% this is Michael talking...no doubt whatsoever. :|

I guess I am an odd duck because I was more so picking up on the background noises.  You could clearly hear a fan blowing in the background (if Michael was always cold why would a fan be blowing?- space heaters don't make that much noise)

I thought it sounded like a helicopter noise or something.

I was literally just typing that it sounded like a helicopter!  Which I guess is like a really big fan, LOL.

[mjj4ever777]

This voice sounds sooooooo much like a stroke victim talking.....Hmmmm

Its not how he says it, its what he is trying to say....thats the clue.

I agree and have said this on another thread, it does sound like is a stroke victim, but how would that play into this Hoax? Unless this isn't really Michael, but a Michael impersonator who had a stroke and was dying, and Conrad was actually looking after him, not Michael...Did Conrad help a dying impersonator end his life,and did the impersonator record this message FOR Michael??....I don't know...

[marisjm]

I don't believe Michael was suicidal.  He is a fighter, never giving up - no matter what.  Michael will be trying to heal the planet and save all children until the day he dies.  The raw emotion and pain you could hear was just heartbreaking though.

[Okay Annie]

When I first heard this recording last week I wasn't sure it was Michael, but now I'm convinced it It's Michael but his voice is altered somehow, either the tape it doctored or Michael was acting somehow. I also head a lot of background noise on the tape, glad I'm not the only one and wonder what it could be. I thought that perhaps it's some kind of medical device/medical machine. Like a breathing machine or something like that.

[marisjm]

With Murray murmuring agreement, Jackson referred to the children of the world as "angels" and said, "God wants me to do it. I'm gonna do it, Conrad."

Murray replied, "I know you would."

That's kind of a strange way for Murray to answer that statement isn't it?  You would think he would say - I know you will.

[Andrea]

I've had HLN on in the background all evening (BTW it's channel 77 where I am - no joke) and what irks me is they've played this recording over and over and over again and they just get mad at Murray for recording it and saying Michael was so drugged up but nobody mentions WHAT Michael was talking about and what is obviously important to him.  Taking care and giving hope to sick children by building the greatest hospital for children ever.  I literally have not heard anyone say a single thing about that and if they did, I missed it.  And like others have said on this forum - these are not the "ramblings" of someone stoned out of their mind.

[all4loveandbelieve]

This is definitely Michael and it doesn't bother me at all. I know he was and is NOT a drug addict and there's a reason why they're making us listen these recordings. It's because of the message in it. What will the world think of him now? Even when he was drugged, he was thinking about the kids. This is about showing the world the real Michael Jackson.

Alleluia... You got it.. The article said incoherent? Yeah right.. think again.. Every word he said made sense.. If he slurped his words, it is for a reason, a reason to prove that it is part of the hoax. Incoherent means, when you are drunk and you do not finish your words, and you do not know what you are saying. You are out of context. Instead Michael made sense, he wanted to help the children in hospitals because they do not have a movie theater, nor a game room they are all alone.. Now for me this is and Intelligent, and humanitarian man.. I wonder why Murray taped Michael's conversation. Was it Michael's idea.. By the way I can talk like Michael too, I can slurp my words without being drugged, or drunk.. lolol/ Michael is alive..

[Heartsong]

This is definitely Michael and it doesn't bother me at all. I know he was and is NOT a drug addict and there's a reason why they're making us listen these recordings. It's because of the message in it. What will the world think of him now? Even when he was drugged, he was thinking about the kids. This is about showing the world the real Michael Jackson.

Alleluia... You got it.. The article said incoherent? Yeah right.. think again.. Every word he said made sense.. If he slurped his words, it is for a reason, a reason to prove that it is part of the hoax. Incoherent means, when you are drunk and you do not finish your words, and you do not know what you are saying. You are out of context. Instead Michael made sense, he wanted to help the children in hospitals because they do not have a movie theater, nor a game room they are all alone.. Now for me this is and Intelligent, and humanitarian man.. I wonder why Murray taped Michael's conversation. Was it Michael's idea.. By the way I can talk like Michael too, I can slurp my words without being drugged, or drunk.. lolol/ Michael is alive..

So totally agree. Whatever has caused this MJ is still lucid.

Here's what else I think. It is clear there are no suicidal thoughts. He says "my children go around with no mother". He would never intentionally leave them with no father too. His presence is all the more important due to no mother and I think he was sharply aware of it.

I also think Murray was giving something more to Michael without Michaels knowledge. Murray taped the dialogue because he knew there would be a court case later. Murray did it so that his defense could use it to demonstrate Michaels alleged drug addiction and thus place the blame squarely on Michaels shoulders.This would explain the sudden rapid decline Jermaine noticed.

When it looked like Michael was actually going to pull off the TII tour I think Murray made a money deal with the powers that be to prevent Michael from performing at any cost. Jermaine said MJ was healthy and excited up until 3 weeks before June 25th when he then seriously deteriorated. What was Murray doing to him? After all Murray wanted 5 mill didn't he?

[BeTheChange]

I've had HLN on in the background all evening (BTW it's channel 77 where I am - no joke) and what irks me is they've played this recording over and over and over again and they just get mad at Murray for recording it and saying Michael was so drugged up but nobody mentions WHAT Michael was talking about and what is obviously important to him.  Taking care and giving hope to sick children by building the greatest hospital for children ever.  I literally have not heard anyone say a single thing about that and if they did, I missed it.  And like others have said on this forum - these are not the "ramblings" of someone stoned out of their mind.

Yup...for the most part, that's all they've been talking about.  Not about the 'message'...that went right over their heads....instead, it's been about how much of a drug 'problem' MJ had.  I held out a bit of hope today when I heard Jane's comments...about the tape being Mike's ultimate vindication...this coming from someone who was not so 'nice' to Mike over the years.  It was like a revelation for her...and 'better late than never' truly is better than never at all...especially when it comes to people finally getting to know who MJ really was all along.  But that glimmer of hope has been lost listening to the rest of the coverage.

What gets me...is that they change their opinions like the changing of the wind.  One minute it's his fault for dying cause he was a 'junkie' (Disgrace's word), the next minute they blame Murray cause a doctor should have known better....one minute he's a child molester, then he's not cause they hear a 4 minute tape.  And the best is they really believe that he's dead and they believe he's stoned out of his mind in that tape...and yet, they sit there laughingly trying to speculate on how fast they'd be 'knocked out' if they took just one Lorazepam.  Pathetic.

These are people given the title of "investigative journalists"???  What are they investigating?  Have any of them 'investigated' whether or not the tape has been altered?  Not one of them has...yet, they accept it and spread it as truth.  Why?  Cause it was played in a courtroom?  Unfortunately, a courtroom is the last place anyone should be looking in for truth.  They mock 'conspiracy theories'...just the other day, they had a good laugh at beLIEvers.  Have they 'investigated' any of the claims?  Have any of them 'investigated' the 'death' and all the discrepancies with every witness that takes the stand?  Not one of them has...cause if they did they'd be asking a whole lot of questions instead of sounding like 'gossip-starved' morons.  And the masses gobble it all up.

I've lost all hope in just about every form of TV media....but my hope and faith in Mike has peaked.  And when that wake-up call does come, it's gonna finally shut them all up for good.

With L.O.V.E. always.

[scorpionchik]

I've had HLN on in the background all evening (BTW it's channel 77 where I am - no joke) and what irks me is they've played this recording over and over and over again and they just get mad at Murray for recording it and saying Michael was so drugged up but nobody mentions WHAT Michael was talking about and what is obviously important to him.  Taking care and giving hope to sick children by building the greatest hospital for children ever.  I literally have not heard anyone say a single thing about that and if they did, I missed it.  And like others have said on this forum - these are not the "ramblings" of someone stoned out of their mind.

There was a conversation during Jane, Nancy Grace, and showbiz guy about the content of the recording, how MJ cared about children, did not have childhood, etc.
And I agree with majority memb. here; no one realizes that Michael sounds weird, but  his speech coherently summarizes specific subject that he talks about, that he is aware of what was going on, even that he was being recorded I think. 

[willddoMJ]

 /pull hair/  i will continue believe it fake unless i see more proof, and i can't stand listening to it

Just like Freddie Mercury once said "There talking from here"

[wishingstar]

Now that I have also seen the transcript of this, a couple of things stood out to me:

- that beep we talked about comes right on the word "money"...almost as if it's a marker
- the way he refers to "my show" it sounds like he is talking about TII concert.  But really, I don't think he is.  I think he is referring "my show" to the hoax.  I don't think Michael would ever call his concerts "my show".....this, right here is his show.  The Greatest Show on Earth.......here is a quote from an old post of mine from June 2010:

"Somewhere I read that some portion of proceeds will go to charity.  What if.......
he bams, and all the proceeds go to charity?  Wouldn't that be the single largest charity donation in the history of mankind?  He said he wanted to be in the Guinness World Book of Records.  What better thing to be listed for than the largest charity gift ever.......sounds like Michael!"

Given what we now know was on his mind...the whole Neverland-to-children's hospital makes even more sense.  It would take this kind of sum to make that happen.

It does all sound so real.....but don't forget where they are: Hollywood...anything is possible.  However, I do worry about the stroke angle of it all.....I have been around stroke-speech and it's very similar....also, I think Lupus is known to have speech problems...hard to figure this one.
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