MICHAEL JACKSON Drug-Induced Rambling: "I Had No Childhood"

[BeTheChange]

@WishingStar...I agree that there's a double meaning on 'show'...in fact, I think there's several layers of meaning to the whole 'message'.  I also think that when he says 'his children'...he doesn't necessarily just mean Prince, Paris, and Blanket.  The whole thing extends way beyond what is being 'heard'....in order to get the 'big picture' purpose behind what he's trying to tell us...we have to truly 'listen'.  He's thrown a monKEY wrench in it  :lol:  (the slurring/slowed speech)...but that's just smoke and mirrors. 
 
I absolutely love what he says in the tape...even though I don't understand all of it yet (like why he mentions the US, Europe and Prague...there's gotta be a reason why he lists them).  And if we believe this tape was from May 10 and we believe that he was really rehearsing in June...then that rules out 'assisted suicide' and a 'stroke'...at least if you believe it's Mike on the tape (I believe it is just based on his pronounciation of 'world').  And when you factor in the 'coincidental' numerology embedded within the tape...there's no doubt in my mind that Mike is alive and well...and has a very good reason for putting this tape out there.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
 

[GINAFELICIA]

It is Michael.
Elvis mentioning was interesting.
It was also interesting he says "God wants me to do it".

[fatalkiss26]

Here is the transcript

Jackson: “Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’t do it.

 We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life.


Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world. Michael Jackson Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theater, game room.

Children are depressed. The — in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.”

Murray: “I know you would.”

Jackson: “Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet, starting with — we’ll talk about it. United States. Europe. Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave — a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me — please take me with you.”

Murray: “Mmnh-mmmh.”

Jackson: “I want to do that for them.”

Murray: “Mmnh-mmnh.”

Jackson: “I’m gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. ‘Heal the World.’ ‘We Are the World.’ ‘Will You Be There.’ ‘The Lost Children.’ These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.”

Thirteen seconds of silence.

Murray: “You OK?”

Eight seconds of silence.

Jackson: “I am asleep.”


I think what he is saying is, he;s referring to ALL children, not just his own. he was always visiting sick children and I truly feel he wants to help everyone. He seemed depressed. Wouldn't you be?
The media had this poor man portrayed as a child molester. he was made fun of, every single day..it was pure racism. "Oh he's bleaching his skin, he doesn't want to be black anymore, he wants to be white"...nobody believed that he had vitilago (sp). That wasn't proven until "after his death" supposedly.
I'm a victim of bullying, my daughter is a bullying victim, I feel his pain. I don't think he was "drugged" up...I feel he was probably on a sleeping sedative..I take them and I talk the same way when I'm groggy, my husband says I "ramble" which is what he was doing. I take zanax as well and that makes me groggy and loopy but I have an anxiety disorder. I do NOT think this gentle man was taking multiple drugs and if he was, he didn't do it on his own. I think Murray was mixing up a cocktail. Why?
I believe he recorded Michael as blackmail to be used later on...if in fact Michael wasn't aware of the recording. Murray is all about money...cmon the guy was seen over the weekend buying 185.00 TIES.  he wanted 5 MILLION dollars to be MJ's doctor. Are you kidding me? He's out for money.
I feel he wanted to blackmail him later on if the money never came through or to get more money.
That's Mike on that recording, no doubt about that, but is that a message to US, his fans or was he even aware he was being recorded and was just rambling on trying to fall asleep?

[BeTheChange]

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it turns out that Murray is, in fact, an FBI agent....as well as some other 'witnesses' we've seen so far.
 
He's supposedly an out-of-work doctor, racking up huge debt for a defense team, who can't afford child support for his 7 or 8 (lost count) supposed children from different mothers (they always have to add that  :roll: )....yet, no one wonders or questions how this guy manages to travel to Disney (let alone purchase a day pass), nor how he can afford all these sharp (and expensive) looking suits and ties...not to mention a pedicure  :lol: .
 
Murray, whoever he is...has a steady paycheck coming from somewhere.  It's either coming from MJ or from whoever hired him to kill MJ....or he's 'undercover'.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.

[Stillbelieve]

This voice sounds sooooooo much like a stroke victim talking.....Hmmmm
 
Its not how he says it, its what he is trying to say....thats the clue.

Yeah, I agree. Mentioned that on the first thread regarding this recording last week.  Sounds similar to someone who has had a stroke, having had family members (including my child) suffer one of these.  It also sounds like someone who is being put under as well.  I remember a couple of years ago someone posted a short vid supposedly of Michael a few months after June 2009 who looked as if he had had a stroke by the way he moved or something like that.  Can't remember fully, as it was awhile ago.

I know some people think he could of been suicidal, I have to say I don't hear that.  His sentences and thoughts gravity towards helping those in need (children) as well as addressing depression amongest kids and wanting to do something about it. That doesn't sound like someone on the brink of suicide. If there was ever a time when suicide would of been an option (not that I am saying he considered this during that moment), would of been through the molestation trial. That in my opinion killed Michael's spirit, yet he fought through it.
 

[2good2btrue]

This voice sounds sooooooo much like a stroke victim talking.....Hmmmm
 
Its not how he says it, its what he is trying to say....thats the clue.

Yeah, I agree. Mentioned that on the first thread regarding this recording last week.  Sounds similar to someone who has had a stroke, having had family members (including my child) suffer one of these.  It also sounds like someone who is being put under as well.  I remember a couple of years ago someone posted a short vid supposedly of Michael a few months after June 2009 who looked as if he had had a stroke by the way he moved or something like that.  Can't remember fully, as it was awhile ago.

I know some people think he could of been suicidal, I have to say I don't hear that.  His sentences and thoughts gravity towards helping those in need (children) as well as addressing depression amongest kids and wanting to do something about it. That doesn't sound like someone on the brink of suicide. If there was ever a time when suicide would of been an option (not that I am saying he considered this during that moment), would of been through the molestation trial. That in my opinion killed Michael's spirit, yet he fought through it.
 

It has been said before that MJ could have nearly died, and suffered some sort of brain damage, but to the world, he has asked to pretend that he is dead instead.  Could this be possible, and could it be possible that this tape was made after 25th June 2009 instead.?  CM did have 2 iphones...Hmmmmmmmm.  Too much to digest right now.
 
I have managed to speed up his "ramblings" using Quicktime, but have to work out how to save it and post it for you guys....I listened to it at a faster speed and it doesn't really sound like MJ at all...God Bless you all

[Billie J]

@2good2btrue , And how do you know how a stroke victim sounds like?? maybe next time you can think before you wrote something like that,plz!
BUT you are right about,What he says is a clue. the tape sound script,and in some point you can hear Michael voice change to normal.

[Bee Bee]

I totally agree with everyone who said that WHAT he says is completely coherent and well thought out. It simply doesn't make sense to say this man was on drugs, his speech slurring extremely, and yet he was able to speak in full and coherent sentences. Doesn't make ANY sense at all. Tampered with, I'd say. Anyway, why on earth was Murray recording Michael?

[suspicious mind]

Here is the transcript

Jackson: “Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’t do it.

 We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life.


Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world. Michael Jackson Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theater, game room.

Children are depressed. The — in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.”

Murray: “I know you would.”

Jackson: “Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet, starting with — we’ll talk about it. United States. Europe. Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave — a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me — please take me with you.”

Murray: “Mmnh-mmmh.”

Jackson: “I want to do that for them.”

Murray: “Mmnh-mmnh.”

Jackson: “I’m gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. ‘Heal the World.’ ‘We Are the World.’ ‘Will You Be There.’ ‘The Lost Children.’ These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.”

Thirteen seconds of silence.

Murray: “You OK?”

Eight seconds of silence.

Jackson: “I am asleep.”


I think what he is saying is, he;s referring to ALL children, not just his own. he was always visiting sick children and I truly feel he wants to help everyone. He seemed depressed. Wouldn't you be?
The media had this poor man portrayed as a child molester. he was made fun of, every single day..it was pure racism. "Oh he's bleaching his skin, he doesn't want to be black anymore, he wants to be white"...nobody believed that he had vitilago (sp). That wasn't proven until "after his death" supposedly.
I'm a victim of bullying, my daughter is a bullying victim, I feel his pain. I don't think he was "drugged" up...I feel he was probably on a sleeping sedative..I take them and I talk the same way when I'm groggy, my husband says I "ramble" which is what he was doing. I take zanax as well and that makes me groggy and loopy but I have an anxiety disorder. I do NOT think this gentle man was taking multiple drugs and if he was, he didn't do it on his own. I think Murray was mixing up a cocktail. Why?
I believe he recorded Michael as blackmail to be used later on...if in fact Michael wasn't aware of the recording. Murray is all about money...cmon the guy was seen over the weekend buying 185.00 TIES.  he wanted 5 MILLION dollars to be MJ's doctor. Are you kidding me? He's out for money.
I feel he wanted to blackmail him later on if the money never came through or to get more money.
That's Mike on that recording, no doubt about that, but is that a message to US, his fans or was he even aware he was being recorded and was just rambling on trying to fall asleep?

fatalkiss . where did you get the photo on the left for your signature?

[Adi]

Yes the message in this is definitely very strong and not made by a person who is heavily drugged. 
 
The parallels with Elvis and The Beatles is really interesting and I think a BIG clue to us. Elvis faked his death but didn't come back and there were all the rumours that Paul McCartney did it - but turns out he didn't....... MJ will be the 1st one to do this and everything that goes/has gone with it and he will WOW the world and it will be phenomenal!
 
The thought processes are too coherent...it's just the voice which sounds not right.....as someone somewhere here today said...it sounds very nasally, like he is holding his nose whilst he speaks and that he is speaking intentionally slowly.
 
It was hard and sad to listen to, but this is all about Michael's deep love and concern for children and how he wants to help sick, poor and underpriviledged children.

[use_your_illusion]

MJ was coherent, not in the way he spoke, but in what he said....I think this recording was to show people he is human and where his heart lies...after hearing this recording I'm sure people felt sorry for MJ especially when he talked about his childhood and how he was hurting...also in my opinion this recording gave the trial a boast in PR and maybe people will start watching it or paying more attention to MJ and the message he was trying to send forth.


In the chat yesterday there was talk about the recording and itsher pointed out that the background of Frank's phone call and this MJ phone call had the same background (helicopter sound).


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[VeryLittleSusie]

In my opinion, of course, this recording is a part of the show. For the first time since his "death" we can clearly hear what is the main purpose of "The Greatest Show on Earth"! We can hear it in Michael's own words!
 
Besides, I think it's a very clever and intelligent thing to do - the late artist, speaks nearly from behind the grave  so everybody's gonna listen carefully to his message! And his message is the strongest message ever! People will be listening to it, they must listen to it. They must start thinking and that's the biggest achievement of this genius!  bow/ bow/ bow/

[all4loveandbelieve]

This is definitely Michael and it doesn't bother me at all. I know he was and is NOT a drug addict and there's a reason why they're making us listen these recordings. It's because of the message in it. What will the world think of him now? Even when he was drugged, he was thinking about the kids. This is about showing the world the real Michael Jackson.

Alleluia... You got it.. The article said incoherent? Yeah right.. think again.. Every word he said made sense.. If he slurped his words, it is for a reason, a reason to prove that it is part of the hoax. Incoherent means, when you are drunk and you do not finish your words, and you do not know what you are saying. You are out of context. Instead Michael made sense, he wanted to help the children in hospitals because they do not have a movie theater, nor a game room they are all alone.. Now for me this is and Intelligent, and humanitarian man.. I wonder why Murray taped Michael's conversation. Was it Michael's idea.. By the way I can talk like Michael too, I can slurp my words without being drugged, or drunk.. lolol/ Michael is alive..

So totally agree. Whatever has caused this MJ is still lucid.
 
Here's what else I think. It is clear there are no suicidal thoughts. He says "my children go around with no mother". He would never intentionally leave them with no father too. His presence is all the more important due to no mother and I think he was sharply aware of it.
 
I also think Murray was giving something more to Michael without Michaels knowledge. Murray taped the dialogue because he knew there would be a court case later. Murray did it so that his defense could use it to demonstrate Michaels alleged drug addiction and thus place the blame squarely on Michaels shoulders.This would explain the sudden rapid decline Jermaine noticed.
 
When it looked like Michael was actually going to pull off the TII tour I think Murray made a money deal with the powers that be to prevent Michael from performing at any cost. Jermaine said MJ was healthy and excited up until 3 weeks before June 25th when he then seriously deteriorated. What was Murray doing to him? After all Murray wanted 5 mill didn't he?

Funny you are talking about money, My friend told me, how about Murray demanded more money and Michael said no, so he decided to do something to him. I think he called Jermaine, and he saved Michael ... There is much more then meet the eye.. Now we all know Michael is alive, how did he pull this off if Murray wanted to kill him? It is strange I have friends in all professions, except in police force.. Well I had my uncle who was commander in the police force, unfortunetaly he passed 22 yrs ago.. He would have been the perfect person to find out what happened. I hope he can give me a sign somehow from heaven. blessings.

[fatalkiss26]

fatalkiss . where did you get the photo on the left for your signature?

Google..its this pic reversed

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Was looking at different photos, this one caught my eye for some weird reason...the star I took right after Michael died when we went to Hollywood

I don't know who else has been to Hollywood, but where Michael's star in on Hollywood's Walk of Fame is right near the Kodak and there is a mall there...and what does the mall have?

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ELEPHANTS!!!!!!!!!


 lolol/

I was browsing my hard drive and found it right after I took the star pic...thought it was coincidence

[applehead250609]

Aidan81:
I see what makes you think so belladonna, and while we of course do not know real Michael,
why would he do this? According to everyone who knew him personally and talked about him,
he loved life. He loved his kids more than everything, he was optimistic beyond belief
and always tried to concentrate on what's good.. He was not suicidal, he was full of Love and Life.
He was a fighter also. He was passionate about many things. Those who kill themselves
have no desires, no love, no passion, no optimism, just emptiness.

And yes, very likely he wanted the world to hear this. But very likely NOT because he
wanted to die!

Belladonna and alfarle what's up with this negativity girls  / Please try to think,Aidan is right Michael LOVES LIFE and he will never leave THE CHILDREN alone.Here is what Michael told Frank  8-): He said,

“Frank, do you think I would do something that would jeopardize my kids and leave them alone? Don’t be ridiculous.” 

So is nothing to worry, Michael is fine and this is just a BIG CIRCUS  mj_bad/!! It's going to be a BAD day and you're both invited,ok  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:??



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