TIAI September 27

[Im_convincedmjalive]

This pic is the one I captured during the trial. It is clearer than the green hue pic the DA used in opening statements but it still has a overtone color of yellow to it. This pic makes MJ's skin look tinted yellow like if he was jaundice. :?


This pic I captured from the video and it appears even clearer. The skin actually appears more white and normal. These pics have been altered but by who? Who made the one with the yellow tint? Who made the clearer one? One possibility with the pic in the hoax vid would be the video maker cleaned it up but who knows? While looking at these pics a thought dawned on me that this reminds me so much of proof of death. It is the opposite of proof of life. In a proof of death pic it has to appear like the person is dead. That also got me to thinking about contract murder for hire stings. I came across 2 very interesting articles on REAL LIFE sting operations to stop a murder for hire plot. These are well worth the read especially the elaborate deception the police did to catch the crook. Food for thought. 8-)

Joel Sandler's Murder for Hire
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Unprecedented Murder-4-Hire Sting
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[PureLove]

Talking about the picture, someone posted this picture on Twitter. I'm so sorry that I can not remember who it was but I found it interesting.



It can be really MJ in the picture but the picture is definitely photoshopped. And like Im_convincedmjalive wrote, it was clear at some point and wasn't clear at the first time we saw it. It brings the question to my mind; did they make a couple of different ones of this picture with photoshop? One more clear, one with a greenish color etc? But with what purposes?

[Mish1981]

 
Why  Murray keep empty bottles? smiley_spider

Good point paula-c. Why would he keep empty bottles? IMO it is so the amount of drugs found at the scene can be dramatic like how we saw the DA put it ALL out on the desk. Also it would show that the propofol was actually being used by using the empty bottles as proof. It also shows how sloppy the DR. was when administering it to his patient. Sloppy enough to leave empty bottles laying around. What I wrote is logical IF one is to believe that Murray is guilty and MJ is dead however I am being very sarcastic when I say those things. /cook/

Now this is something we need to discuss about. Worths my time to discuss. I see no reason for Murray to keep all the empty bottles IF Michael was really an addicted and if he really died. Unless all those bottles weren't used on the night and day Michael "passed". They didn't say anything like all those bottles were used the day Michael "died", right? Latoya told that there was drug enough to kill an ELEPHANT in MJ's blood. <<< OMG! When I was writing this, I remembered what LaToya told about the elephant. And elephants in the room. :lol:

Anyways my point is, not all of those drugs could be given to him in just a single day and that is not even logical. And there was no need to keep the empty bottles IF we think this is not a hoax, but which is a hoax. So like you said Im_convincedmjalive, it is all to create and to feed the drama side of the movie.

Regarding LaToya's elephant comment, we were talking about this in chat today and I'm glad that someone stayed with it! I agree that they couldn't all have been given at one time and am now on the wagon with you guys on wondering why he kept them around.

 lolol/

I must have missed that part of the chat. Ok, now I'm going to write something far fetched. Latoya compared elephant and Michael with that sentence of her. I'm not so sure if I'm choosing the right words but pls try to bare with me. She said "there was enough drugs to kill an elephant in Michael's blood." Michael >>> Elephant. Elephant is in the room means Michael is in the room too?  afraid/ Just thinking out loud here. We can not see the BACK seats at the room, so who knows?!? He can be there with his Uncle Willy disguise.  :mrgreen:

That chat gets crazy at times with 10 different conversations going. Half the time I try to reply to something someone has said and it's half way up the page. Regarding Michael being in the room, I'm not turning anything away at this point. Especially since there isn't anything saying that it isn't possible. We don't know where Michael has been since the 25th, I'm not ruling out that he's not in the court room.

[Mish1981]

Talking about the picture, someone posted this picture on Twitter. I'm so sorry that I can not remember who it was but I found it interesting.



It can be really MJ in the picture but the picture is definitely photoshopped. And like Im_convincedmjalive wrote, it was clear at some point and wasn't clear at the first time we saw it. It brings the question to my mind; did they make a couple of different ones of this picture with photoshop? One more clear, one with a greenish color etc? But with what purposes?

I'm going out on a limb and saying that the greenish color could have been for dramatic effect. Either that or to see how the public would react to it. I don't know just thinking out loud.

I thought at first that it was a glove but now I'm thinking that it might be an IV line or something wrapped around his arm. But that doesn't explain why the hand looks so different. On the other  hand if you look at the black piece right by his wrist and follow it over the wrist it looks like it goes around his arm but there is a piece that looks like it goes towards his pinkie finger. So it might in fact be a glove that's messed up. Regarding the lighting for his arm and face, again this is just my opinion and I'm thinking out loud here: We need to remember the lighting in what ever room he's in can cast a different glow (a more experienced photographer can go into detail on this), also I want to entertain the thought of the one photo where his skin looks whiter, besides if his jacket is sliding off of his arm in a concert we don't see him with a short sleeved shirt on. I am partial into thinking it's because of the vitiligo, so who's to say what his arms or legs look like. With Michael's face, we always see him with full blown makeup on and I'm sure that might also have to do with the vitiligo, so who's to say....

Just throwing some thoughts out...

[BeTheChange]

Completely off-topic:
 
@PureLove...I was 'mature' enough to end my conversation with you a few pages back.  But it seems you can't let it go....and not only that, you have once again thrown in a personal 'jab' at me (and trust me, I can take some jabs....but that was one 'jab' too many)...and now my 'maturity' level just can't ignore it.  As I stated in my post...it was dedicated to ALL who 'think differently'...I didn't list names.  Funny how you don't feel you were included in the group...but I have no control over that.
 
If you feel the way you do based on what I posted...perhaps it's because YOU have repeatedly attempted to demean, make fun of and offend members with your attitude and words....just because they have a different perspective or dare to imagine.  I have no control over that either.
 
This is the most straight-forward and direct post anyone will ever see me write on this forum...I am all for discussion and any 'healthy' discussion always involves opposing views...I have absolutely no problem with PureLove's perspective or any opposing perspective.  Actually, I welcome it because it gives my perspective balance. 
 
However, veiled insults to members, suggestions of lacking 'common sense', and/or repeatedly insinuating superiority over an issue that, to date, NO ONE here is qualified to speak on (a feature film scriptwriter does NOT a scientist in cutting-edge technology make...that's a FACT)....is not an opposing view.  It is a means to ridicule imagination...and THAT pisses me off.
 
Why is it SO bad that we like to discuss the possibility that Murray is Mike???  No one is claiming it's a FACT....we are engaging in the world of imagination...that's how I see it anyway.  And what better place to engage in it than on a forum dedicated to the KING of imagination.  IMO imagination is what is greatly lacking in the world right now....if every single one of us walked around saying "It's impossible"...then the world ends right there.
 
Every one of us on this forum comes from different professions, different backgrounds, and with varying life experiences.  In MY profession (an educator) the word "impossible" does not exist in my vocabulary....and in MY life experiences, having witnessed miracles taking place right before my very eyes....the very word is laughable.
 
Sorry for the rant...I promise that once I hit send, none of you will ever see this 'side' of me ever again.  I apologize in advance to TS and everyone else for having to have witnessed it at all....but the 'moment' warranted it.
 
@PureLove...If you feel the need to reply to this, the pm feature is advisable....I will not 'tie' up this thread with another reply to you.  And once this passes...and it will, for me anyway cause life is too short...I do hope that we can somehow find a middle ground....and despite our 'differences' there is a LOT of common ground.  Being on this very forum connects us ALL on some level.

Off to youtube to watch Mike perform his magic...at this very moment, he's about the only one that can improve my 'state of mind'.  And he will....he always does.
 
 
With L.O.V.E. always.

[fatalkiss26]

@BeTheChange  bearhug


Can't we all just get along? What are we all here for? FOR JUSTICE, THE TRUTH, FOR MICHAEL  michael-jackson/


He wouldn't want us arguing over something we are so passionate about. Everyone has their opinions on this trial and each day that passes, some of us doubt more or believe more...


I haven't known any of you that long and I enjoy coming here and expressing my thoughts and opinions, I can't do this anywhere else because people think I'm nuts!  lolol/


Try having this conversation with my husband...he thought I was crazy 6 years ago when we got married because I was so passionate about 9/11 and the thought of the government involvement, he thinks I'm bonkers now


Love you all  bearhug

[bindupbrokenhearted]

That's my point I made a WHILE back in this thread, we have never seen Murray stand up in court...I posted pics earlier in the week of "something" I spotted on Murray's face...it looked like white makeup...


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It wasn't the light, it wasn't glare...after I mentioned it, when they came back from lunch, it was gone.

Nobody has even addressed these pics as to WHAT was on his face. Someone else mentioned that we see Murray "pat" his face like he's sweating in court, yes, one can sweat, but do you realize how COLD it is in the courtrooms? They blast the AC full force in there...I know..I've been a juror before and it's friggen COLD.
He scratches his neck alot and his face too...what could itch so much?

 :shock:

Good catch!   /bravo/

I wonder who is behind the mask/makeup  :lol:

IMO could be Mike but could be anyone.  Does anyone here see CM and get reminded of the OJ Simpson trial?  Not that I think OJ is CM; just reminds me of that trial is all.

God bless.

[fatalkiss26]

the only way we are going to know is IF he testifies. Now Nancy and Jane Valdez are saying there may be a mistrial because of evidence tampering...if this happens, I'm gonna SCREAM.


We have only heard CM's voice a few times...so I wanna hear him testify...but my gut tells me they won't put him on the stand.

If MJ is CM, then he fooled us all....MJ could be Judge Pastor for all we know, or CM's "old, dead guy lawyer"  lolol/


I'm waiting for my sunglasses, MICHAEL. I asked for them to be in court today, they weren't there
Instead you moved my chimp I found (  /bravo/ ) and kept the elephants
I WANT MY SUNGLASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  /pull hair/

[bec]

If you can imagine it, you can create it.

I am an educator as well BeTheChange, so I feel as you do.

People have been saying things are impossible all the way up to this point... and yet they are still happening. Michael faked his death including filing fake documents with the gov't, his parents filed lawsuits, he feeds media companies through unidentified stories hoax clues, he has an entire media company cooperating to publish clues. Now he is doing a simulated criminal trial in a real courthouse with a real judge and real prosecutors and it's being televised all over the world by media companies who are completely unaware... I have a hard time believing anything is impossible at this point.

It's fun as hell to imagine different outcomes to this hoax, and kick around different ideas, and considering who we are dealing with, I believe nothing is impossible.

Ps. I had this post printed up and loading an hour ago when the forum took a big poop and it got stuck with permanent rolly ball  /overreacting/

Pps. fatalkiss, everyone I've told think I'm nuts too. It's frustrating as hell, isn't it? I'm a perfectly normal, successful, well adjusted, adult person and yet on this one I'm a complete lunatic  :evil: I think MJ made it this way on purpose to some extent, to be the ultimate test of your own self confidence to stand up and say you believe in something that 99.9% of the world thinks is a desperate fantasy.

[curls]

^^ great post Bec! And that's why the Think Different vid that BeTheChange posted is so appropriate - it's the 'crazy' ones who dare to think differently, that have the power to change the world. It's mind blowing to think that, inspired by the 'craziest' of them all, WE also are in that category! I'm proud to be crazy!

[GINAFELICIA]

I guess I was wrong and that dead Michael photo is not a picture but a photo after all. Well this is not good at all because someone said it has no aura...
Well could be a dummy.....dummies don't have aura.

[~Souza~]

Oh, I remember September 5th, 2009 so well.... That was the day I posted on the old MJHD that Michael was disguised as Dave Dave on Larry King. Those of you long enough on board know exactly what happened then; I was bashed, hated, ridiculed and in no way it was possible that Michael was Dave Dave. Now, more than 2 years later, it's accepted as being self-evident. Chappie's quick photoshop art is world famous now. Patience is the key people. Ridicule and haters we can handle.

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

And in my humble opinion, there're so much more important things to discuss in this hoax and it is such a waste of time to discuss if Murray is MJ in disguise .[/b]

@purelove very good point abt more important things than disguise... it's all for L.O.V.E....

i personally dont think that CM is MJ. but havent given it thought before as i am consumed in other things atm, such as adding numbers and digesting court case info...

for those who think CM is MJ, can i ask, what abt the pics the press have of murray at beach in the water- do you think he is in a body suit / make up, there too? just curious.

[paula-c]

Talking about the picture, someone posted this picture on Twitter. I'm so sorry that I can not remember who it was but I found it interesting.



It can be really MJ in the picture but the picture is definitely photoshopped. And like Im_convincedmjalive wrote, it was clear at some point and wasn't clear at the first time we saw it. It brings the question to my mind; did they make a couple of different ones of this picture with photoshop? One more clear, one with a greenish color etc? But with what purposes?

 
 
And the glove?, why? suspicious//

[Shining light]

I guess I was wrong and that dead Michael photo is not a picture but a photo after all. Well this is not good at all because someone said it has no aura...
Well could be a dummy.....dummies don't have aura.

I have posted that LOU FERIGNO stated that MJ was a practical joker and like to place Mannequin's on ambulances. I never got one single reply,when i posted that,in a TIAI thread. Its all good to see people coming around to the idea that maybe it was a lifeless doll. It would not be the first time he has done something like this but maybe everything worked perfect this time for him. Look how far this has gone,could we be near the end? No one knows but Mike and his family,Janet said family first the fans second. “When the groove is dead and gone… You know that love survives… So we can
rock forever” I will be watching that tribute named forever for sure.