TIAI September 27

[Shining light]

As the story unfolds…

If you thought there was nothing more to say about Michael Jackson, just wait…

unauthorized biography of Michael Jackson

The paparazzi would not leave him alone

More allegations made against the performer

And what they did find was a series of lies

…about Michael Jackson
I am having fun watching this story UNFOLD before our eyes. The climax will show how foolish all these so called professional reporters and analyst's are . The lies were planted and they all are going with what they want the story to be,also did they really investigate as good as the hoax believer's I think not. The detectives on this case seem like the keystone cops. Can Murray be Michael in the flesh? I would not put anything past the master of disguise. As I believe he truly has been underestimated by the media and our judicial system as well. I can't wait till this story fully unfolds it will be a real shocker to the world ! /bravo/

[fatalkiss26]

As the story unfolds…

If you thought there was nothing more to say about Michael Jackson, just wait…

unauthorized biography of Michael Jackson

The paparazzi would not leave him alone

More allegations made against the performer

And what they did find was a series of lies

…about Michael Jackson
I am having fun watching this story UNFOLD before our eyes. The climax will show how foolish all these so called professional reporters and analyst's are . The lies were planted and they all are going with what they want the story to be,also did they really investigate as good as the hoax believer's I think not. The detectives on this case seem like the keystone cops. Can Murray be Michael in the flesh? I would not put anything past the master of disguise. As I believe he truly has been underestimated by the media and our judicial system as well. I can't wait till this story fully unfolds it will be a real shocker to the world ! /bravo/

I think the message being played is getting vindication for Michael. The media thought they knew him, obviously they did not.
They don't want to weigh in on the fact he portrayed himself as a loving, caring person who absolutely LOVED children.
Right before the trial, the country was so fixated on Casey Anthony, who was accused of killing a child.
Now, another coincidence with all the IPHONE talking yesterday, Steve Jobs passes away...that is an eerie coincidence. You couldn't plan that one. I have a feeling there is SO much more to come.
This is bigger than anything we could ever imagine. His references about being "God's messenger", the more that comes out, the weirder this gets.

[PureLove]

About the 'death' picture: by the look of it it's Mike himself, posing for this picture, although I do think some Adobe was used here and there. Looks pretty good for a dead guy. :lol:

Totally agree with Souza. It's MJ himself but still the picture looks photoshopped. It looks like they played with the hand, wrist and cut off the legs.  lolol/

OR

They simply added Michael's face (except the mouth area) to a patient's body with photoshop. Both are possible.

[PureLove]

@PureLove, you're assuming MJ is 5'9. I don't deny what you're saying in regards to your profession, but I do deny that you can safely assume what height MJ really is and then base your theory on what is impossible on that. I will ask, in your professional opinion, is it possible to make a disguised person 4" taller? I think of women wearing 4" heels and that is fairly common and normal and they don't look weird or out of proportion. I can only go off my real life personal experience, so I consult you on this one. 4", possible or no?

Hey bec sweets,

Well, we have talked about different heights of MJ, and the maximum of them is 5'11, right? I personally do not believe that Michael is taller than 5'9. So let's assume that he is 5'9 and let's assume that he used secret high heels; still you can not hide a 4 inch (10 cm) heel. Plus, we saw Murray's shoes many times and I do not see any place to hide the high heels in his shoes. If there wasn't a BIG difference btw Murray and Michael, I would definitely think that it could be him in disguise but when I compare the proportions of Murray and Michael, it is not possible whatever you use.

[paula-c]

[PureLove]

What I want to know is: Who the fuck is iPad dude? Sitting behind Ed every day, constantly checking and messaging on his iPad.

TS! :lol: He is checking out us and the chat.  :mrgreen:

[bec]

@PureLove, you're assuming MJ is 5'9. I don't deny what you're saying in regards to your profession, but I do deny that you can safely assume what height MJ really is and then base your theory on what is impossible on that. I will ask, in your professional opinion, is it possible to make a disguised person 4" taller? I think of women wearing 4" heels and that is fairly common and normal and they don't look weird or out of proportion. I can only go off my real life personal experience, so I consult you on this one. 4", possible or no?

Hey bec sweets,

Well, we have talked about different heights of MJ, and the maximum of them is 5'11, right? I personally do not believe that Michael is taller than 5'9. So let's assume that he is 5'9 and let's assume that he used secret high heels; still you can not hide a 4 inch (10 cm) heel. Plus, we saw Murray's shoes many times and I do not see any place to hide the high heels in his shoes. If there wasn't a BIG difference btw Murray and Michael, I would definitely think that it could be him in disguise but when I compare the proportions of Murray and Michael, it is not possible whatever you use.

All assumptions aside, I'm asking, in your professional opinion (because I do defer to that), is it possible to make someone 4" taller for the sake of movie magic and disguise?

[PureLove]

@PureLove, you're assuming MJ is 5'9. I don't deny what you're saying in regards to your profession, but I do deny that you can safely assume what height MJ really is and then base your theory on what is impossible on that. I will ask, in your professional opinion, is it possible to make a disguised person 4" taller? I think of women wearing 4" heels and that is fairly common and normal and they don't look weird or out of proportion. I can only go off my real life personal experience, so I consult you on this one. 4", possible or no?

Hey bec sweets,

Well, we have talked about different heights of MJ, and the maximum of them is 5'11, right? I personally do not believe that Michael is taller than 5'9. So let's assume that he is 5'9 and let's assume that he used secret high heels; still you can not hide a 4 inch (10 cm) heel. Plus, we saw Murray's shoes many times and I do not see any place to hide the high heels in his shoes. If there wasn't a BIG difference btw Murray and Michael, I would definitely think that it could be him in disguise but when I compare the proportions of Murray and Michael, it is not possible whatever you use.

All assumptions aside, I'm asking, in your professional opinion (because I do defer to that), is it possible to make someone 4" taller for the sake of movie magic and disguise?

You can make a midget look like 5'8 when it comes to the magic of the film making. As I explained before, different camera angles and visual effects solve all problems. But with a mask/disguise in reality without the visual effects, it is not possible. You can definitely make a shorter person become taller BUT the shoes have to be different to hide a 4 inch heel. OR you can add extra prosthetic legs and arms which we never saw in Murray. We saw his legs and arms naked many times, and there is nothing attached to his legs.

[PureLove]

5'11" to 6'3" is only 4 inches. Make the head a little higher and add some heels and it's done. But Murray is not MJ in court (although very possibly on other occasions). What I want to know is: Who the fuck is iPad dude? Sitting behind Ed every day, constantly checking and messaging on his iPad.

Souza and PureLove I'm with you both, Murray is NOT Michael.I want to write down what PureLove told us some time ago because I think is very important.Not only for this case,but for the 2005 "trial" also,because it brings BACK agian Michael's height,which always was an ENIGMA for all of us.Please bear with me, because I think this is very important.

PurteLove:

As one of the ones who do not believe Murray is Michael in disguise, I wanted to answer this. No, these do not make it any real. I'm in the film bizz and I KNOW these kind of masks, prosthetic make up etc and I KNOW as a fact that it is not possible to make a 5'9 man a 6'3 man. You need to add extra arms, fake hands to keep the balance btw the length of the arms and the body. And when you do that, you need to feed the vision of that person with some video effects because he can not use his hands like his own hands. It's easy to create new faces and even bodies as long as you keep the lenght of the person same. You can make him look taller or shorter but you need to do it with visual effects. Wish I could explain it better in english and trying it but this is all I can do. You need to add extra arms and legs to make him 6'3 tall which would make him stand still and not move.

Now if I remember correct when Michael was arrested in 2005,"the police told us " Michael is 5'11'.But how is this possible,if Michael was clearly shorter??? We are talking about police and a serious arrest  here,not some kind of check routine for staffing,lol  .This makes you wonder ,about many things regarding that trial,no??



I'm a fan of Michael since childwood and for me he was never a very tall men.For most of the time when he was not performing ,I saw him with boots,and sometime with boots that had high heels.I dont know how many of here feels but I think that a tall men would never wear heels ,maybe a shorter one(like Prince) yes,but a taller one,NO.Here are some pictures from different era with Michael wearing boots:









Michael is/was not 5'11',and maybe not even 5'9' also.

Height: 5 feet 2 inches tall


Height: 5' 9" (1.75 m)

 
Height: 5' 4" Here she had high heels



Height: 5' 7" (1.70 m)


Height: 5' 7" (1.70 m)

 
Height: 5' 9½" (1.77 m)


HOW TALL WAS MICHAEL JACKSON REALLY?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71pcf9BlWdc[/youtube]

Conclusion: Murray is not Michael,it just can't be!!!!
During this hoax Michael's height was always brought in our face,over and over again.Michael told us how tall he is in Moonwalk book,and after that we heard about his heigh during 2005 trial,during Michael arrest ,during autopsy release,and now with the "SHORT-dead"  WTF?? photo from hospital.I dont know about you my friends,but this to me it sounds very strange,and makes me wonder how real was everything that happend after THRILLER or BAD.

LOVE

Great post Apple, thank you.  :mrgreen: I personally do not believe Michael is any taller than 5'9. I'm almost at the same height with Lisa Marie, just an inch taller than her and when I compare the two of them, Michael can NOT be taller than 5'9 1.75 cm. My dad is also 5'9 and we have the same height difference like LMP and Michael have.

[Vietnow]

I think it is possible that the dead "Michael" on the hospital bed to be a double who died of a terminal illness.

The eyelashes are too long too be natural to me.
With some makeup a double could look like a dead MJ.

If you think about it, the body on the gurney could very well be E'Casanova. He was supposedly diagnosed with a life threatening illness in 2007(?). I think he knew very well that he was going to pass and that was Michael's way of transitioning into the reality of the hoax. Or I am wrong.

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Brilliant.

[PureLove]

I think it is possible that the dead "Michael" on the hospital bed to be a double who died of a terminal illness.

The eyelashes are too long too be natural to me.
With some makeup a double could look like a dead MJ.

If you think about it, the body on the gurney could very well be E'Casanova. He was supposedly diagnosed with a life threatening illness in 2007(?). I think he knew very well that he was going to pass and that was Michael's way of transitioning into the reality of the hoax. Or I am wrong.

E'cas is alive and fine.

[Vietnow]

I think it is possible that the dead "Michael" on the hospital bed to be a double who died of a terminal illness.

The eyelashes are too long too be natural to me.
With some makeup a double could look like a dead MJ.

If you think about it, the body on the gurney could very well be E'Casanova. He was supposedly diagnosed with a life threatening illness in 2007(?). I think he knew very well that he was going to pass and that was Michael's way of transitioning into the reality of the hoax. Or I am wrong.

E'cas is alive and fine.

Disregard then, lol. I'm behind on a lot of things. And not enough to time go back through it all.

[VeryLittleSusie]

Guys, something is bugging me each time i "turn on" tmz for watching the trial.  /pull hair/
Is it possible all those people, I mean the witnesses, are actors and they are in on the hoax??? Or they are unaware...?
They seem so genuine and real... I can't sleep at night. I wake up thinking about it.  /overreacting/
 
 

[BeTheChange]

LOL...Just now on HLN, Jane and Ryan were talking about Fleak being 'grilled' by Chernoff.  Then they set up a clip they were gonna show of Fleak saying she didn't take a pic of the propofol in the saline bag.  The clip starts and instead of Fleak...it's a clip of Murray from his youtube vid...saying "I told da troot"  :lol:   :lol:
 
With L.O.V.E. always.