TIAI September 27

[Grace]

I don't think the seal is in the room.
It is low quality video technique IMO.

Check out the lousy frayed border of the stripes motive.
No professional carpenter would work like this.
And why use a stripes motive around the seal you could just hang on the wall which is neatly made of wood?
The stripes are not in the room. But they are added because they have a meaning IMO.

[MJ_ForeverandAlways]

Let's circle the differences we see in Michael's "dead" bed. :lol:

Remember the one we saw before the trial and remember the one that was shown at the trial? Here are both of them. Did they tidy the room to show it at the trial?   geek/

These are the things I see different...
1. The walls are different...in the old pic it looks like there is wall paper or some kind of pattern...and in the new pic the walls are white.

2. The end tables/ bedside tables look different

3. In the old pic I do not see any lamps....but in the new pic you see 3 of them

4. In the old pic there is a landline phone on the bed side table and yet in the new pic I don't see it there

5. In the old pic there is the air bag used to pump air through breathing tube...again in the new pic there is no blue bag at the foot of the bed on the floor.

That's all I've found so far...except the ones someone already pointed out...the blue pad and the pillow being different.  bearhug

[MissG]

This trial is odd, at times I laugh and at times I hurt for Murray´s tired face and sad puppy eyes. The defense has been sloppy and not very diplomatic asking questions. The interrogatory to the cardiologist has been hilarious at some point and the GFs of Murray....well...the GFs...

Murder+corruption in Vegas? are we going back again to the doctors with license to deal with drugs?
If Murray could "get" propofol bottles that way, any doctor could. If Murray could have a clinic with apparently volunteers, meaning non legally employed, and lack proper equipment...any doctor could.

On the other hand we also have incompetent medical personell making wrong diagnoses and taking wrong decisions at the hospitals or when calling for emergency.

Another thing it came to my mind as well. If Michael would have been intubated via trachea (opening a hole on the front part of the neck) imagine the outcome for his profession...a singer who´s voice is not any longer.

[TheSecret]

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[PureLove]

Let's circle the differences we see in Michael's "dead" bed. :lol:

Remember the one we saw before the trial and remember the one that was shown at the trial? Here are both of them. Did they tidy the room to show it at the trial?   geek/

These are the things I see different...
1. The walls are different...in the old pic it looks like there is wall paper or some kind of pattern...and in the new pic the walls are white.

2. The end tables/ bedside tables look different

3. In the old pic I do not see any lamps....but in the new pic you see 3 of them

4. In the old pic there is a landline phone on the bed side table and yet in the new pic I don't see it there

5. In the old pic there is the air bag used to pump air through breathing tube...again in the new pic there is no blue bag at the foot of the bed on the floor.

That's all I've found so far...except the ones someone already pointed out...the blue pad and the pillow being different.  bearhug

/bravo/

[~Souza~]

I missed the first part and I really have to rewatch Dr. Nguyen, because I think she gave some good info on the meds, but there are a few things I noticed today that stood out.

They kept talking about the 4mg of Ativan (Lorazepam), and as far as I understood it, they said it was quite a heavy dose, but 4mg is a normal dose prescribed for insomnia. It was also administered with 3 hours in between, so actually it was 2 x 2mg. I will post an old blog later on where the timeline and the meds can be found.

Dr. Nguyen has said "Time was not on Mr. Jackson's side" 3 times. I thought it was a weird coice of words.

She also made it VERY clear (lol) that time was very important and that you have to act very quick. Yet she also said that she wasn't paged by Dr. Cooper until 1:34 pm, and she arrived at the ER at 1:35 pm. MJ was 'in the hospital' for half an hour already. That doesn't seem very quick to me.

She also said she knew it was MJ, because she was told it was a VIP called Michael Jackson, and she called that a code... WTF??

A code? I thought the names 'Trauma, Gerschwin' and 'Soule, Shawn' were codes. Michael Jackson is hardly a code, is it?

I also think it's strange we get to hear all the phone numbers. Aren't they bleeped out normally? And how can they submit self-made 'phone records' as evidence? I saw they made a mistake in them at the opening statements, and again today. They are not the official records, they were made by the prosecution. That's not evidence.

[~Souza~]

Here is the info about the meds:

Drugs found on Mike's night table:

Diazepam (Valium) -> benzodiazepine

Diazepam, first marketed as Valium by Hoffmann-La Roche.  

It is commonly used for treating anxiety, insomnia, seizures, muscle spasms, restless legs syndrome, alcohol withdrawal, benzodiazepine withdrawal, and Ménière's disease. It may also be used before certain medical procedures (such as endoscopies) to reduce tension and anxiety, and in some surgical procedures to induce amnesia.

Dosing:

Depending upon severity of symptoms: 2-10 mg, 2-4 times daily.

Adverse reactions:

Incontinence, changes in libido, urinary retention.

Somnolence, Suppression of REM sleep, Impaired motor function(Impaired coordination Impaired balance, Dizziness and nausea), Depression, Impaired learning, Anterograde amnesia (especially pronounced in higher doses), Cognitive deficits, Reflex tachycardia.

Tamsulosin (Flomax)
Tamsulosin is primarily used for benign prostatic hyperplasia, but is sometimes used for the passage of kidney stones by the same mechanism of smooth muscle relaxation via alpha antagonism.

Dosing: Flomax capsules 0.4 mg once daily is recommended as the dose for the treatment of the signs and symptoms of BPH. It should be administered approximately one-half hour following the same meal each day. For those patients who fail to respond to the 0.4 mg dose after two to four weeks of dosing, the dose of flomax capsules can be increased to 0.8 mg once daily.

Adverse effects:

Immunologic: It contains a sulfa moiety, thus causing typical reactions to sulfa drugs.

Ophthalmologic: Patients taking tamsulosin are prone to a complication known as floppy iris syndrome during cataract surgery. Adverse outcomes of the surgery are greatly reduced by the surgeon's prior knowledge of the patient's history with this drug, and thus having the option of alternative techniques.

Tamsulosin can cause males to experience retrograde ejaculation.  Occasionally, tamsulosin can cause a drop in blood pressure, rarely resulting in dizziness or fainting. Other reported side effects include headache, dizziness, nasal congestion, and palpitations.

Lorazepam (Ativan) -> benzodiazepine

Lorazepam, initially marketed under the brand names Ativan and Temesta, is a benzodiazepine drug with short to medium duration of action. It has all five intrinsic benzodiazepine effects: anxiolytic, amnesic, sedative/hypnotic, anticonvulsant and muscle relaxant. It is a powerful anxiolytic, and, since its introduction in 1977, lorazepam's principal use has been in treating the symptom of anxiety. Among benzodiazepines, lorazepam has a relatively high addictive potential.

Dosing:

The dose of lorazepam is tailored to the patient's needs. The usual dose for treating anxiety is 2-3 mg/day given in two or three divided doses. Insomnia is treated with 2-4 mg given at bedtime.

Adverse effects:

Any of the five intrinsic benzodiazepine effects possessed by lorazepam (sedative/hypnotic, muscle relaxant, anxiolytic, amnesic and anticonvulsant) may be considered as "adverse effects" or "side-effects" if unwanted.

Paradoxical effects, Suicidality, Amnesic effects.

Temazepam (Restoril) -> benzodiazepine

Temazepam (marketed under brand names Normison, Temtabs, Euhypnos, Restoril, Remestan, Tenox and Norkotral) is an intermediate-acting 3-hydroxy benzodiazepine. It is generally prescribed for the short-term treatment of sleeplessness in patients who have difficulty maintaining sleep. Temazepam is not effective for induction of sleep. In addition, temazepam has anxiolytic (anti-anxiety), anticonvulsant, and skeletal muscle relaxant properties.

Dosing:

The recommended dose of temazepam when treating insomnia is typically 15 mg, taken at bedtime just before trying to go to sleep. For elderly people or people with other medical problems, the recommended dose is lower — 7.5 mg taken at bedtime.

Adverse effects:

Side effects typical of hypnotic benzodiazepines are related to CNS depression, and include somnolence, dizziness, fatigue, ataxia, headache, lethargy, impairment of memory and learning, increased reaction time and impairment of motor functions (including coordination problems), slurred speech, decreased physical performance, numbed emotions, reduced alertness, muscle weakness, blurred vision (in higher doses), and inattention.

Clonazepam (Klonopin) -> benzodiazepine

Clonazepam is a benzodiazepine derivative with highly potent anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant, and anxiolytic properties. It is marketed by Roche under the trade-names Klonopin in the United States, and Ravotril in Chile. Other names like Rivotril or Rivatril are known throughout the large majority of the rest of the world. Clonazepam is a chlorinated derivative of nitrazepam and a nitrobenzodiazepine like nitrazepam.

Dosing:

Clonazepam must be introduced gradually, and a low starting dose is advisable, such as 0.5 to 1.5 mg/day, which may be taken all at once or divided into two or three doses. The dosage can be increased by 0.5 to 1 mg every 3 to 7 days. The maximum daily dose recommended is 10 mg. In a survey of epilepsy specialists, most recommended no more than 4 mg per day and usually prescribed no more than 2 mg per day.

Adverse effects:

Common

   * Drowsiness

   * Impairment of cognition, judgment, or memory

   * Irritability and aggression

   * Psychomotor agitation

   * Lack of motivation

   * Loss of libido

   * Impaired motor function

              o Impaired coordination

              o Impaired balance

              o Dizziness

   * Cognitive Impairments

              o Increased Sleepwalking (If used in treatment of sleepwalking)

             o Auditory Hallucinations

              o Short-term memory loss

              o Anterograde amnesia (common with higher doses)

   * Some users report hangover-like symptoms of being drowsy, having a headache, being sluggish, and being irritable after waking up if the medication is taken before sleep. This is likely the result of the medication's long half-life, which continues to affect the user after waking up, as well as its disruption of the REM cycle.

Occasional

   * Serious dysphoria

   * Thrombocytopenia

   * Serious psychological and psychiatric side-effects

   * Induction of seizures or increased frequency of seizures

   * Personality changes

   * Behavioural disturbances

Rare

   * Psychosis

   * Incontinence

   * Liver damage

   * Paradoxical behavioural disinhibition (most frequently in children, the elderly, and in persons with developmental disabilities)

              o Rage

              o Excitement

              o Impulsivity

Long term effects

The long term effects of clonazepam can include; depression, disinhibition and sexual dysfunction.

Trazodone (Desyrl)

Trazodone (Desyrel, Beneficat, Deprax, Desirel, Molipaxin, Thombran, Trazorel, Trialodine, Trittico) is a psychoactive drug of the piperazine and triazolopyridine chemical classes that has anti depressant anxiolytic, and hypnotic properties. It has been advertised that its therapeutic benefits become noticeable within the first week of administration. Trazodone has considerably less prominent anticholinergic (dry mouth, constipation, tachycardia) and sympatholytic (hypotension, sexual dysfunction consisting of erectile dysfunction and anorgasmia) side effects in comparison to most of the tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs) and tetracyclic antidepressants (TeCAs).

Dosing:

Treatment should be started with low initial doses of 25 to 50 mg daily in divided doses or in an evening single dose. The dose may be increased slowly to a maximum of 300 mg daily in ambulatory patients and to 600 mg daily in hospitalized patients. Geriatric and emaciated patients should begin with 25 mg daily; this dose may be slowly increased to 300 mg. The duration of treatment should be at least one month. A 50 mg dose is recommended when using Trazodone as a sleep aid.

Adverse effects:

The most common adverse reactions encountered are drowsiness, nausea/vomiting, headache and dry mouth. Adverse reactions reported include the following:

*Behavioral

Drowsiness, fatigue, lethargy, psychomotor retardation, lightheadedness, dizziness, difficulty in concentration, confusion, uncontrollable laughter, sex drive increase.

*Neurological

Tremor, headache, ataxia, migraine, akathisia, muscle stiffness, slurred speech, slowed speech, vertigo, tinnitus, tingling of extremities, paresthesia, weakness, complex partial seizures, and rarely, impaired speech, muscle twitching, numbness, dystonia, euphoria, and involuntary movements.

*Autonomic

Dry or numb mouth, blurred vision, priapism, diplopia, miosis, nasal congestion, constipation, sweating, urinary retention, increased urinary frequency and incontinence.

*Cardiovascular

Hypotension, tachycardia, palpitations, shortness of breath, apnea, syncope, arrhythmias, prolonged P-R interval, atrial fibrillation, bradycardia, ventricular ectopic activity (including ventricular tachycardia), myocardial infarction, and cardiac arrest.

Tizanidine (Zanaflex)

Tizanidine (brandnames Zanaflex, Sirdalud) is a drug that is used as a muscle relaxant. It is a centrally acting a-2 adrenergic agonist. It is used to treat the spasms, cramping, and tightness of muscles caused by medical problems such as multiple sclerosis, spastic diplegia, back pain, or certain other injuries to the spine or central nervous system. It is also prescribed off-label for migraine headaches, as a sleep aid, and as an anticonvulsant. It is also prescribed for some symptoms of fibromyalgia.

Dosing:

To minimize side effects, begin with a dosage of 4 milligrams, then increase the dose gradually. Doses of 8 milligrams provide relief for most people. No more than 3 doses should be taken each 24 hours. The maximum dose per day is 36 milligrams.

Adverse effects:

Tizanidine use occasionally causes drug induced liver injury. In controlled clinical studies, approximately 5% of patients treated with Zanaflex had elevations of liver function tests (ALT, AST) to greater than 3 times the upper limit of normal (or 2 times if baseline levels were elevated).  Do not use tizanidine at a time when muscle tone is needed to assure safe balance and movement for certain activities.

Administered on June 25th:

01.30: 10mg tablet of Valium.

Diazepam, first marketed as Valium by Hoffmann-La Roche.  

It is commonly used for treating anxiety, insomnia, seizures, muscle spasms, restless legs syndrome, alcohol withdrawal, benzodiazepine withdrawal, and Ménière's disease. It may also be used before certain medical procedures (such as endoscopies) to reduce tension and anxiety, and in some surgical procedures to induce amnesia.

Dosing:

Depending upon severity of symptoms: 2-10 mg, 2-4 times daily.

Adverse reactions:

Incontinence, changes in libido, urinary retention.

Somnolence, Suppression of REM sleep, Impaired motor function(Impaired coordination Impaired balance, Dizziness and nausea), Depression, Impaired learning, Anterograde amnesia (especially pronounced in higher doses), Cognitive deficits, Reflex tachycardia.

02.00: 2mg Lorazepam (Ativan) after dilution, into IV.

Lorazepam, initially marketed under the brand names Ativan and Temesta, is a benzodiazepine drug with short to medium duration of action. It has all five intrinsic benzodiazepine effects: anxiolytic, amnesic, sedative/hypnotic, anticonvulsant and muscle relaxant. It is a powerful anxiolytic, and, since its introduction in 1977, lorazepam's principal use has been in treating the symptom of anxiety. Among benzodiazepines, lorazepam has a relatively high addictive potential.

Dosing:

The dose of lorazepam is tailored to the patient's needs. The usual dose for treating anxiety is 2-3 mg/day given in two or three divided doses. Insomnia is treated with 2-4 mg given at bedtime.

Adverse effects:

Any of the five intrinsic benzodiazepine effects possessed by lorazepam (sedative/hypnotic, muscle relaxant, anxiolytic, amnesic and anticonvulsant) may be considered as "adverse effects"; or "side-effects" if unwanted.

Paradoxical effects, Suicidality, Amnesic effects.

03.00: 2 mg Midazolam (Veresed) after dilution, into IV.

Midazolam, marketed in English-speaking countries under brand names Dormicum, Hypnovel, Midacum and Versed) is an ultra short-acting benzodiazepine derivative. It has potent anxiolytic, amnestic, hypnotic, anticonvulsant, skeletal muscle relaxant, and sedative properties. Midazolam is water-soluble and fat-soluble in physiologic pH. Freely soluble in alcohol and acetone. It is considered an ultra short-acting benzodiazepine, with an elimination half-life of about 2 hours. It is used in some countries for the short term treatment of insomnia and in many countries as a premedication before surgery. It is therefore a very useful drug to use for short minor procedures such as dental extraction.

Dosing:

Initial dose:  1-2 mg

Additional doses: 1 mg administered at 2-minute intervals

Onset of action:  1-2 minutes

Peak effect: 3-4 minutes

Duration of effect:  15-80 minutes

Adverse effects:

Residual 'hangover' effects after nighttime administration of midazolam such as sleepiness, impaired psychomotor and cognitive functions may persist into the next day which may impair the ability of users to drive safely and increase risks of falls and hip fractures. Confusion and amnesia are reported with midazolam. Midazolam has been known to cause a paradoxical reaction in susceptible individuals, a well-documented complication with benzodiazapines. When this occurs, the individual may experience anxiety, involuntary movements, aggressive or violent behavior, uncontrollable crying or verbalization, and other similar effects. This seems to be related to the altered state of consciousness or disinhibition produced by the drug. Some patients may respond to as little as 1 mg. No more than 1.5 mg should be given over a period of no less than 2 minutes.

05.00: 2 mg Lorazepam (Ativan), after dilution, into IV. See above.

07.30: 2mg of Midazolam (Versed), after dilution, into IV. See above.

10.40: 25 mg of Propofol (Diprivan), diluted with Lidocaine (Xylocaine), via IV drip.

Propofol (INN, marketed as Diprivan by AstraZeneca) is a short-acting, intravenously administered hypnotic agent. Its uses include the induction and maintenance of general anesthesia, sedation for mechanically ventilated adults, and procedural sedation. Propofol is also commonly used in veterinary medicine. Propofol is approved for use in more than 50 countries, and generic versions are available.

Chemically, propofol is unrelated to barbiturates, and has largely replaced sodium thiopental (Pentothal) for induction of anesthesia as recovery from propofol is more rapid and "clear" as compared to thiopental. Propofol is not considered an analgesic, so opioids such as fentanyl may be combined with propofol to alleviate pain.[1] Due to its amnestic effects and appearance as a white liquid, propofol has been humorously dubbed "milk of amnesia" by medical professionals.

Dosing:

Anesthesia induction, [healthy adults

Dose: 2-2.5 mg/kg IV given as 40 mg q10sec until induction onset

Anesthesia maintenance, [healthy adults

Dose: 0.1-0.2 mg/kg/min IV; Alt: 25-50 mg IV prn

Monitored anesthesia care induction

[100-150 mcg/kg/min IV x3-5min]

Alt: 50 mcg/kg IV x1 over 3-5min, then maint. Infusion

Monitored anesthesia care maintenance

[25-75 mcg/kg/min IV]

Alt: 10-20 mg IV prn; Info: avoid bolus doses and reduce dose 20% in elderly, debilitated, neurosurgical, or ASA P3-P4 pts

Adverse effects:

Aside from low blood pressure (mainly through vasodilation) and transient apnea following induction doses, one of propofol's most frequent side effects is pain on injection, especially in smaller veins. This pain can be mitigated by pretreatment with lidocaine. Patients show great variability in their response to propofol, at times showing profound sedation with small doses. A more serious but rare side effect is dystonia. Mild myoclonic movements are common, as with other intravenous hypnotic agents. Propofol appears to be safe for use in porphyria, and has not been known to trigger malignant hyperpyrexia.

It has been reported that the euphoria caused by propofol is unlike other sedation agents,"I even remember my first experience using propofol: a young woman who was emerging from a MAC anesthesia looked at me as though I were a masked Brad Pitt and told me that she felt simply wonderful" —C.F. Ward, M.D.

Propofol has reportedly induced priapism in some individuals.

After Mike stopped breathing:

0.2 mg of Flumanezil (Anexate) was administered once.

Flumazenil (Anexate), in affidavid listed as Flumanezil

Flumazenil, a specific benzodiazepine-receptor antagonist, is indicated for the complete or partial reversal of the sedative effects of benzodiazepines and may be used in situations when an overdose with a benzodiazepine is known or suspected. Prior to the administration of flumazenil, necessary measures should be instituted to secure airway, ventilation and intravenous access. Flumazenil is intended as an adjunt to, not as a substitute for, proper management of benzodiazepine overdose. Patients treated with flumazenil should be monitored to resedation, respiratory depression and other residual benzodiazepine effects for an appropriate period after treatment. The prescriber should be aware of a risk of seizure in association with flumazenil treatment, particularly in long-term benzodiazepine users and in cyclic antidepressant overdose.

Dosing:

The recommended dose for adults is 0,2ml every 1–2 minutes until the effect is seen, to a maximum of 3 mg per hour. The onset of action is rapid and usually effects are seen within one to two minutes. The peak effect is seen at six to ten minutes.

Drugs found via autopsy:

Propofol (see above)

Lorazepam (see above)

Midazolam (see above)

Diazepam (see above)

Lidocaine

Lidocaine (INN) or lignocaine (former BAN) is a common local anesthetic and antiarrhythmic drug. Lidocaine is used topically to relieve itching, burning and pain from skin inflammations, injected as a dental anesthetic, and in minor surgery.

Dosing:

Unknown, in this case Propofol was diluted with Lidocaine.

Adverse effects:

Systemic exposure to excessive quantities of lidocaine mainly result in central nervous system (CNS) and cardiovascular effects – CNS effects usually occur at lower blood plasma concentrations and additional cardiovascular effects present at higher concentrations, though cardiovascular collapse may also occur with low concentrations. CNS effects may include CNS excitation (nervousness, tingling around the mouth (also known as circumoral paraesthesia), tinnitus, tremor, dizziness, blurred vision, seizures) followed by depression, and with increasingly heavier exposure: drowsiness, loss of consciousness, respiratory depression and apnoea). Cardiovascular effects include hypotension, bradycardia, arrhythmias, and/or cardiac arrest – some of which may be due to hypoxemia secondary to respiratory depression.

Ephedrine

Ephedrine is a central nervous system stimulant used to treat breathing problems (as a bronchodilator), nasal congestion (as a decongestant), low blood pressure problems (orthostatic hypotension), or myasthenia gravis. Ephedrine stimulates fatburning and increases alertness and activity of the body. Ephedrine increases the energy and concentration for 6 to 10 hours. The energy released will inhibited the appetite. Ephedrine can also be used for asthma, hay fever and colds.

Dosing:

For prescription ephedrine, do not exceed 150 mg per day in adults.

Adverse effects:

Adverse drug reactions (ADRs) are more common with systemic administration (e.g. injection or oral administration) compared to topical administration (e.g. nasal instillations). ADRs associated with ephedrine therapy include:

Cardiovascular: tachycardia, cardiac arrhythmias, angina pectoris, vasoconstriction with hypertension

Dermatological: flushing, sweating, acne vulgaris

Gastrointestinal: anorexia, nausea

Genitourinary: diuresis (increased urination) due to increased blood flow (difficulty urinating is not uncommon, as alpha-agonists such as ephedrine constrict the internal urethral sphincter, mimicking the effects of sympathetic nervous system stimulation)

Nervous system: restlessness, confusion, insomnia, mild euphoria, mania/hallucinations (rare except in previously existing psychiatric conditions), delusions, formication (may be possible, but lacks documented evidence) paranoia, hostility, panic, agitation

Respiratory: dyspnea, pulmonary edema

Miscellaneous: dizziness, headache, tremor, hyperglycemic reactions

The approved maximum daily dosage of ephedrine for use as a bronchodilator is 150 mg, as specified on the packaging of the bronchodilator and expectorant combination, Bronkaid, made by Bayer pharmaceuticals.

Overdose can lead to death, although the approved dose is not likely to cause severe reactions when used as directed.

http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/the-dogs-the-meds-the-mess-the-math-part-2/

[fatalkiss26]

Ok I'm 2 pages behind so I'm gonna post then read so forgive me if I rediscuss anything:

So unfortunately my daughter became seriously ill last night ( she is a type 1 diabetic) so we were in the ER for 5 hours and then the ICU.
While in the ER I happened to take a picture of her bed

So i started talking to an EMT that has been on the job for 20 years. I did not mention the Jackson case, I told him I was doing "research".

He proved to me that what the video suggests is absolutely TRUE.
Stryker stopped producing and selling the Renascence (sp) models back in early 2002/2003. As of 2005, ALL hospitals switched over to the new models. Why?
Well one, after a 10 year lifespan, they become outdated. Plus there were certain features on the older models that had to be updated due to safety reasons. ERS and Ambulances have not used the older models since late 2003 and you WILL NOT find them anywhere in hospitals because of safety concerns.
he told me maybe a nursing home might have a small few because of budget issues and they are commonly used in homes for "hospice" care, but no longer in emergency rooms or transport.

So now we know that video about the autopsy photo is in fact REAL , the photo is a fake and not taken in 2009.

Now while sitting in the ICU, we were watching the trial and what caught our eye was the girl who worked in Conrad's office. She was NOT licensed. None of the girls who worked in his office were. No nursing school, no license, nothing...we found that rather odd and in fact it's against the law for someone who is NOT licensed to do triage...even if you are a resident or still attending nursing school, you must be accompanied by someone who is licensed.

Another one that caught my eye was the doctor or surgeon ( the Asian woman)...her "expertise" had a few of our nurses laughing hysterically because she couldn't give clear and precise answers to time and how much medication one should be giving a patient for certain reasons. They were all questioning if she was a REAL doctor or reading from a script! And we never discussed the hoax at ALL in my daughter's room. So this impression coming from board certified doctors made me think, who else thinks the same thing?

[fatalkiss26]

oh look at both pics..the oxygen tank is NOT in the first "crime" scene photo......

I bet we will find Waldo though!  WTF?? OMG! lolol/

[Andrea]

Thank you for sharing fatalkiss, their reactions are quite interesting.   And I hope your daughter is feeling better!!

I found it hard to follow Dr. Nguyen, she seemed to over explain herself and the same questions kept being repeated, re-worded.  But she did seem to be wearing a sorta of TII jacket.

The death pic is so obviously fake, it's hard to understand how so many people just accepted it as fact.  Then again, who compares gurneys? LOL.  We do!!

[~Souza~]

Hey TS, where are you? Are you still going to share your murder theory with us? Or are you unable to find supporting evidence?  lolol/

[fatalkiss26]

thanks  bearhug

She isn't out of the woods yet, will probably be in the ICU a few days, I just got home and had to check in on the drama :)
Her doctor pointed out something though...

He says to me " now, your daughter is in full blown DKA ( Diabetic Keto acidosis) , what if I were to "guess" on how much insulin I should give her?"  WTF??

This is a man who is a captain in the navy who is beyond retirement age , in his late 50's who has been a medical doctor ( pediatric endocrinologist ) for over 27 years....he doesn't GUESS. He KNOWS. Thats what he was trained to do and what he went to school for. For a doctor to sit there and say " oh we don't know how much medicine to give a patient, it depends on seconds to minutes is bull@#$%. She is either A) not a doctor B) just really stupid.  I'm leaning towards A or she was never a doctor in that hospital that day.

Her DR said, his opinion? She is lying...he didn't say on what aspect but she was lying.

[Adi]

Hey TS, where are you? Are you still going to share your murder theory with us? Or are you unable to find supporting evidence?  lolol/

Maybe TS is letting the "non-verbal communication" speak for itself!  :lol:

[RK]

The pace that all this is coming out at us is so fast that I'm in a more watching the passing parade mode because of time issues. But still the madness continues. What parent would leave that drug store sitting on a night table when you have young inquisitive children in the house? Kai Chase and the organic juice versus the juice box popper still intrigues me. When I helped nurse my terminally ill father at home, he was on a morphine drip, but I have vivid memories of  holding juice with a straw for him to drink as he couldn't eat. It was the way to get nutrition into him. I am now open to and willing to consider the terminal patient- dead body theory.@ I'mconvinced, what a great job you are doing in holding up your side. Perhaps you can help this vascillator of no body/dead body to get off the fence and take one side or the other.  /judge/

[paula-c]

inconsistencys

Opening statements
1. MJ's voice on recording (fire/smoke detector beeping in the background). IF it is really him it is slurred but what he says makes sense. Not incoherent like it would be under drugs. IMO. Question: Why did CM even record it on his iPhone?
2. CM had a CARDIOLOGY BOOK for the BOARD EXAM in MJ's bedroom!!! Huh?
3. CM/Alvarez so careful about collecting vials in bags but then leave it behind for the police to find?
4. MJ knew so much about Propofol so he told CM how it's being used. Why would he have to tell CM if he is a doctor?

KO
1. The e-mail to Randy Phillips!!! Have you noticed? MJ was NOT mentioned by name once. KO just referred to "the Artist".
2. Did you also notice? KO was asked if the night of the 24th was MJ's "last performance on stage". He corrected the inquiry by pointing out it was NOT MJ's "last performance on stage" but his "last rehearsal". :)) Reminded me of Jermaine's "This Is It but this is not really it. This is not the final curtain call."
3. Emphasis by KO about MJ's exitement about the start of the "illusion".

Michael Amir Williams
He said he guarded the room "where MJ, (stuttering) I don't know how to put it, was HELD." Held? What??? Not treated, not where they worked on him or sth like that. Held. (Alvarez said sth similar later). Seemed very amused at times.

Alvarez
1. Saw CM on the landing when entering the house. So CM wasn't helping MJ? Just hanging around the landing waiting?
3. 1st said he was walking with CM towards bedroom then said he saw CM doing CPR with 1 hand when he came into bedroom. Which is it?
4. Said at first he didn't notice any cut in saline bag with the bottle.
The way he desribed the bottle in the bag, no liquid would flow out of the bottle. It has a rubber stopper, liquid just flows when directly attached to (and pierced by) dispenser. Or am I wrong?
5. Lifted MJ to the floor during 911 call? How? Does he have a hands free device? And why can't we hear this movement during the call?
7. 1st 911 call to Beverly Hills (411) before transferral to dispatcher? Knows how to do CPR but not know how to call 911?
8. Video with Alvarez. He stayed in front of the room "where MJ was PLACED". What? Another strange selection of words.

Kai Chase
Kai said she sent Prince upstairs and minutes later security arrived. So Prince should have been already upstairs when Alvarez came. But Alvarez stated that Prince and Paris came in behind him into the bedroom.
Don't even want to mention the fact that she sent 12 yr. Prince upstairs after learning that sth might be seriously wrong with MJ and goes back to work O_O.
The whole questioning seemed to amuse her.

Robert Russell
Would have been a much better witness for defense than for the prosecution. Voicemail from CM (fire/smoke detector beeping in background). Said "Sabbatical" expression by CM was weird. I agree.

Firefighters/Paramedics
Lots of contradictions with other statements of witnesses. Question: If MJ was dead as they stated why did they further try to resucitate him at UCLA for over 1 hour?
Another awkward choice of words (M.B)"...he was down at MJ's groin area...,...touching his groin."

Additional thoughts:
Why did Michael Amir tell Alvarez to go to the front of the house to the front door? Entry through kitchen right next to security trailer would've been much faster. MA to AA "Don't make a commotion, no sudden moves to alarm anybody"? Alarm who? Why no commotion? Strange.

The pillow on MJ's bed looks undisturbed, no indentations. Did someone fluff the pillow in between?

The photo: First of all I think it's a fake. The proportions of the body don't look right to me. Legs und forearm too short. Second, the paramedics said his skin looked blue while still at Carolwood. This pic is supposed to be done later in the hospital. Wouldn't his skin be really blue/ghostly white by then? In the photo his skin looks still very pinkish to me. More like a coma patient. Also I assume they would have done the photo after the resucitation effords not before. Why is there still the tape on his nose and the tubes on his wrist? Wouldn't they remove it right away after being pronounced?

The fire alarms. :)) What's up with that? Fire alarm on 06/25/09 at UCLA (supposedly in adjacent building) and today (9/30)in court (accidental pull on another floor, some people said it was 2.26 PT and it rang 7 times btw.). Oh and do you remember the fire alarm when MJ gave is interview to Oprah years ago?

Also noticed Fire/smoke detectors are beeping in ALL voice recordings of CM as well as MJ presented in court.
On a personal note. Fire/smoke detectors beeping is veeery annoying. You can't ignore it and can't sleep when it's beeping in intervalls especially since you can hear it more or less in the whole house not just in one room.
Unless MJ let it beep for weeks, which requires good nerves, IMO the voice tapes of MJ "under influence" and CM to Martin Russell voice mail were probably taped on the same day/time/place/room.
Since we heard the beeping on MJ's slurry speech" tape (most likely made in the same bedroom where 6/25 events took place) AND on the voice mail from CM to M.Russell, but did not hear beeping on Alvarez 911 call, I think it's safe to say that Alvarez was NOT in the bedroom where the other 2 tapes were made.
*BTW to fix a beeping fire/smoke detector you just have to change the batteries but I doubt CM did that before the 911 call from Alvarez. ;)

KTF!!! :)

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