TIAI September 27

[~Souza~]

ps. When I say sting in regards to the media, I mean 'sting'. I think it's more of a wake-up call to the public to make them see how stupid they are and how they will lie to make you believe what they claim, but as for the real sting, I think that is more against individuals behind the curtain. Maybe some of the witnesses, maybe people we hear not much about and had to do with MJ's business. I don't think it is actual possible to prosecute media outlets for 'voicing their opinion', unless they are commiting a crime like we saw with Murdoch et al.

[Adi]

Just WOW is all I can say (well not really)!!!!
 
Michael Jackson has the world's media eating out of his beautiful hands and the world is lapping it up!
 
What has gone down today has strengthened my resolve and understanding even more (if that is possible) that Michael is alive and controlling this whole amazing, wonderful, incredible adventure. I am sad that so many people will have missed out on this incredible journey that we have experienced together all these months.....or those who might possibly only manage to join in it with us at the end...like walking in at the end of an amazing film, watching the incredible end scenes but missing out on all the middle parts that built you up, made you understand and really got you there.
 
I have only managed to get on the forum tonight ...time zone differences meant the trial started here in Australia in the middle of the night and went through during my work day. I tried to sneak peaks on and off at work of the live stream. The morning "news" programs here were abuzz with the "death" picture and the "drugged recording" and when I first saw the picture on the news this morning my initial reaction was a brief F*cK!!!!! and then it was a gut wrenching burst of laughter.
 
What the hell happened to Michael's legs between the 24th June and the 25th June?....did someone shrink them...he looks like a body on a couple of halved popsticks...and as for the paramedics not recognising him and that he was bald?...well it does look like his face and he has hair, so  :lol:   :lol:    :lol:
 
Even my husband who think's Mj is dead had a look of disbelief on his face....that sort of look like "holy sh*t.....maybe she has been right all along" type of look. He really didn't even try to argue against me when I started saying how staged the pic was and how scripted the recording was.
 
Now I have caught up on everything that has happened today I am going for a hoax court mostly...but I am also going with some type of sting in there as well. I am still thinking about "the who/what" of the sting and I have some ideas in my head and am feeling it is the crappy,vile, parasitic tabloid media...but also something else......I am hoping that the coming days of the trial may shed more light on that aspect.
 
Keep the Faith. This is no worse than the Memorial, the Funeral, the ambulance picture or the autopsy report....just a hell of a lot more entertaining!!!! (so far)
 
I have no doubt Michael is going to serve up ALOT worse things to test us as believers, afterall this isn't only a journey/lesson for those that think Michael has died...it is also to test us...my thinking is we have to steel ourselves for worse to come...remember today was just the 1st day and as any good movie/theatrical performance/thriller...it gets much more scary before it gets better  :shock:
 
The proportions of this are now just blowing my mind in what I think Michael has achieved.
 
Michael Jackson - I am in AWE (even more than I was before)!!!  respect/
 
 

[PureLove]

First of all, I'm so sorry because probably I'm repeating the things you guys already wrote. The trial ended at 3 am in my time and I slept just 3 hours and I'm still tired, so I couldn't read all 4 pages but I will definitely read them as soon as possible.

The bumpy ride is on and the first day gave me different emotions. I must say that the trial was boring till Kenny popped up (on stage).  geek/ What I realized was, the Head Prosecutor used many "Magic acts, Illusions" words when he was asking his questions to Kenny. And this made me ask myself, does he know?  suspicious// And the way Kenny described illusion was interesting because he said the illusion was, Michael was going to DISAPPEAR in the bed and APPEAR again on the RISING cherry picker! And we know that Michael "disappeared" ("died") on his bed and he will be appearing back again and RISE! It was like Kenny was describing how Michael disappeared and will be appearing like a Magic trick in this hoax!

Kenny also told about his movie plans which we know we're already in one of them.  :mrgreen: And Kenny was adorable when he was pissed at Ed. :lol: I love him.

The picture of Michael they showed is just a GRAPHIC picture. It's not him of course. The voice record, I don't know if it's him or not but he was still talking about saving children. Clearing Michael's name and show the world how much he loves and cares for the children.

There was an elephant in the room and I saw no other toys.

The outfit of the Jackson family. What stood out to me at first was, Katherine's outfit. She was wearing an outfit with DOTS on. Was she trying to say CONNECT THE DOTS?

Also the proforol bottle pictures reminded me of one of the posts TS made just a couple of days ago. The bottles on the wall! They were ON THE WALL really TS.  :mrgreen: I wanted to break them one by one. :lol:

[shamz]

there are 7 levels?  bangbang

[Mish1981]

And back to the photo. Shouldn´t exhibits be shown numbered and unaltered?

Normally the evidence or exhibits would be numbered however the pic that the DA used as his background for his presentation does not qualify as evidence per the judges words before the opening statements.

From my earlier post.

Judge said opening statements are not arguements or evidence. Opening statements are what the lawyers expect the evidence to prove, the end result.

And back to the photo. Shouldn´t exhibits be shown numbered and unaltered?

Normally the evidence or exhibits would be numbered however the pic that the DA used as his background for his presentation does not qualify as evidence per the judges words before the opening statements.

From my earlier post.

Judge said opening statements are not arguements or evidence. Opening statements are what the lawyers expect the evidence to prove, the end result.

Chernoff will present an addiction specialist, who will testify DR. ARNOLD KLEIN ADDICTED MICHAEL JACKSON TO DEMEROL.

I've always leant towards hoax court, but if it's both, could Arnie be the target of the sting. The finger pointing has already begun in Chernoff's long winded opening statement.

This is so the defense can plant reasonable doubt that it wasn't Murray who caused MJ's death. If another doc was giving him drugs prior to Murray taking care of MJ and Murray wasn't aware of that then he may be found not responsible, NOT GUILTY.

And regardless of what happened in that room on June 25th...there is no dispute that the contents of the room include a substance that was obtained illegally. Applied Pharmacy 'supplied' a doctor with 15 litres of a controlled substance

At the time when Murray purchased the Propofol is was not illegal nor was it considered a controlled substance. I found info on this and posted it in one of the other levels. I will look for the info later. What I found said that all it took to get the Propofol was a licensed Dr. or a script. /cook/

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I've always leant towards hoax court, but if it's both, could Arnie be the target of the sting. The finger pointing has already begun in Chernoff's long winded opening statement.

This is so the defense can plant reasonable doubt that it wasn't Murray who caused MJ's death. If another doc was giving him drugs prior to Murray taking care of MJ and Murray wasn't aware of that then he may be found not responsible, NOT GUILTY.

And regardless of what happened in that room on June 25th...there is no dispute that the contents of the room include a substance that was obtained illegally. Applied Pharmacy 'supplied' a doctor with 15 litres of a controlled substance

At the time when Murray purchased the Propofol is was not illegal nor was it considered a controlled substance. I found info on this and posted it in one of the other levels. I will look for the info later. What I found said that all it took to get the Propofol was a licensed Dr. or a script. /cook/

What I don't understand about this is Klein isn't going to testify to rebuttal what any of that. Meaning, the defense and prosecution can say what ever they want and there isn't anyone (unless they are called to testify, but they can't do that unless they were already on the witness list) who can do or say otherwise. How is that fair? I don't care if it's Klein or someone else. My thought, even if they have a professional come in and say that it was Klein who made Michael addicted it should be considered speculation. Just my thought though.

[BeTheChange]

There's been some really great points supporting both hoax and sting possibilities...hopefully TS will chirp in at some point and share his 2 cents 
 
As for the DA being part of the hoax or a sting 'target'...I can see both as a possibility....there's been good arguments for both.  What's important to remember, IMO, is that a 'sting' doesn't necessarily seek to uncover laws broken...as TS pointed to, the focus of the FBI is 'corruption,' and to a lesser extent, 'manipulation'.  The media have broken no laws, per se, over the years when they slandered Mike (i.e. the Demon, Batshit got away with their evilness because there are loopholes in the law).  Likewise, a lawyer who presents something as 'evidence' without authenticating it...can easily find protection under the 'law' in saying that they were trusting their source(s) and/or believed the 'evidence' to be legit.  In that sense, the 'law' works in their favor...hence, when all is said and done, they have not broken any 'laws' in the eyes of the system.  That a lawyer, during opening statements, can present just about anything under the sun and insinuate that it is 'truth' (or why present it?)...without having to prove authenticity...leaves a VAST amount of room for 'corruption' and 'manipulation.'  THIS is the judicial system...a system in place to determine the fate of individuals....where those who are called upon to pass judgement (the jurors) are manipulated by lawyers (often on both sides), while ONLY been shown what the court decides is relevant (which is usually about 10% of the actual 'truth').  And we call that 'justice'?
 
Likewise, Murray may not have broken any 'laws' in obtaining the Propofol...and the pharmacy may not have broken any 'laws' in supplying the drug....but it's a blatant example of corruption and 'manipulation' of power/position.
 
This particular DA team may be 'in' on it...not sure about that just yet.  But IMO when this is all over, a HUGE light will be shed on how corrupt and manipulative the judicial system, the media, doctors, pharmacies, etc. have become....EVEN if they haven't broken any 'laws'.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.

[Ijustcantstoplovingu]

That tape got me thinking about many scenarios...one of them is the bizarre idea of michael being pushed to say those words, being drugged by force. The first word is introduced by another person and michael enrolles with the rest, which seems to be scripted, a text.

I´ve heard people after dental surgery who talks that way, also people who suffered an Ictus, people who took heroin and people talking in their sleep.

I think your right, when Ive been given a sedative when having dental surgery and you try to speak when they give you the drug iv and your speach goes all slurry, think its normal

[~Souza~]

Another thing I just remembered was that when Chernoff said that Klein made MJ a Demerol addict as if it were fact (not that demerol has anything to do with Propofol), there was NO objection from the prosecution.

[Mish1981]

Another thing I just remembered was that when Chernoff said that Klein made MJ a Demerol addict as if it were fact (not that demerol has anything to do with Propofol), there was NO objection from the prosecution.

I think objections are rare in opening statements since opening statements are just like syllabus that are going to be gone thru in detail during the trial. If in fact I'm right and that's the case, the prosecution will have plenty of chances to shoot this one down.

[Datroot]

This morning gave me the perfect opening statement (although significantly less formal then you might expect). Thank you TMZ for this quote:

Sources close to Prince tell TMZ ... the 14-year-old is "nervous" and worried that if he's called to the stand he might get flustered and "mess up."

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Although it's full of journalistic interpretation, it does include a quote from Prince; "mess up", which is a statement you'd expect a teenager to say regarding concerns about going on stage in a performance... not taking a witness stand in their father's accused doctor's manslaughter trial. If you take the witness stand, there's nothing to "mess up". You just tell the truth. You don't mess up the truth, you just tell it. Scripted lines in a live stage production, on the other hand, you might forget or misspeak, aka mess up.


I'll be laying out my reasons that I believe court is a scripted production directed by Michael himself, ie "Hoax Court".


Disclaimer: I do believe there will be aspects of court that are real; it's really happening live at the court house, for example. There are almost certainly real court employees who complete their day-to-day duties who are none the wiser in regards to the hoax. All attending members of LAPD may not be privy to all aspects of the production and may only have direct orders of how to proceed when things get unorthodox, for example, without direct knowledge of the hoax. There will be other aspects that we see that are very real. But the bottom line of my belief is that what we will be seeing on TV is a MJJ Production.


Anyone who feels as I feel, and believes as I believe... help me out and back me up and together we will ultimately prove that MJ is the master of illusion who created and launched the Greatest Show on Earth!


Game on!  bounce/

I'm with you on this one!!!

[~Souza~]

Another thing I just remembered was that when Chernoff said that Klein made MJ a Demerol addict as if it were fact (not that demerol has anything to do with Propofol), there was NO objection from the prosecution.

I think objections are rare in opening statements since opening statements are just like syllabus that are going to be gone thru in detail during the trial. If in fact I'm right and that's the case, the prosecution will have plenty of chances to shoot this one down.

Probably, but they did make objections to other things and this was complete hearsay. Opening statements or not.

[shamz]

OMG EVERYTHING THAT I NOTICED WOZ MENTIONED BY SOUZA!!!!
 
 /bravo/  /bravo/  /bravo/  /bravo/  /bravo/

[Mish1981]

Another thing I just remembered was that when Chernoff said that Klein made MJ a Demerol addict as if it were fact (not that demerol has anything to do with Propofol), there was NO objection from the prosecution.

I think objections are rare in opening statements since opening statements are just like syllabus that are going to be gone thru in detail during the trial. If in fact I'm right and that's the case, the prosecution will have plenty of chances to shoot this one down.

Probably, but they did make objections to other things and this was complete hearsay. Opening statements or not.

Ah thank you, I must have missed those. My nieces are visiting for a few days and wanted my undivided attention.

[BeTheChange]

Another thing I just remembered was that when Chernoff said that Klein made MJ a Demerol addict as if it were fact (not that demerol has anything to do with Propofol), there was NO objection from the prosecution.

I think objections are rare in opening statements since opening statements are just like syllabus that are going to be gone thru in detail during the trial. If in fact I'm right and that's the case, the prosecution will have plenty of chances to shoot this one down.

Probably, but they did make objections to other things and this was complete hearsay. Opening statements or not.

Yes...and therein lies a HUGE problem.  The judge repeatedly tells the jury that the opening statements are NOT to be considered as 'evidence'...hmmm ok, then why have them?  Are they for show?  This is a court of LAW...not a performance.  Regardless of jury instructions...once a seed has been planted, it's been planted.  If the real purpose of a judicial system is to find the 'truth'...then a LOT of what was presented/talk about/insinuated in both opening statements should NOT have been allowed.
 
It's funny how the law requires the judge to instruct jurors to NOT read/watch/listen to any coverage of the trial....but at the very same time, is perfectly ok with having these same people listen to the garbage within the courtroom itself.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.

[use_your_illusion]

I agree for the most part with bec and partially with Imconvinced, I think this is a hoax court "with STINGS attached". I think the prosecution knows, I think the judge knows, the defence knows and I think the jury knows. I also think that is why we had the delay between May and now. They questioned the potentials jurors back than and I think they needed the time to screen them, let them sign some papers and make sure they were up to date about this hoax court. The sting part is probably against the media and some of the witnesses, but that we will learn as the trial progresses.

***What I don't understand is the first time they were trying to pick a jury they couldn't find anyone that hadn't heard about the case, so they had this a whole new selection pool of jurors, these jurors know about the case and some are fans,  so I don't see the point in doing a second jury pool because of that reason...or was that an excuse to delay the trial? ...Also do you think the jury are really jurors that have been told that this is a sting court or are they actors...how could they know about the hoax?

There was a huge contrast in those opening statements that I noticed. The prosecution was overall convincing (not to us, but you get me), had a well layed out story and the DA was well spoken and handsome. It has been scientifically proven that you can convince people more easily if you are handsome and well spoken. Then we have short, less handsome and stuttering Ed.

***Poor Ed, is he acting or is he really that bad?

Be honest here: did you all follow him as well as the DA? I saw in chat how people clicked away and said it was too boring to look at. I agree, but that doesn't mean that he didn't have a convincing story. I was very tired at the moment, so I will have to listen to his statement again, but as I remember, Ed tried to explain how propofol works and how Murray couldn't have killed Michael the way the prosecution want to believe you. He said the word 'science' more than once, making a point that you should look at the actual scientific evidence, instead of just the emotional 'Murray killed a drug addict who needed help, he was only 50 years old, look at him laying there on that trolley" kind of talk.

***Yes he said that the argument he would bring forth would be based purely on science...but that whole thing about Michael wouldn't even have time to close his eyes made me laugh.

As for the picture that was shown: that's a BS picture. Why is the quality so bad? Looks like it's 50 years old. Where are his legs? We all know Mike has stelts, did they cut them off? He probably posed for it, before they photoshopped it to make it look like this. If you are worried about this picture, I really don't get how you made it this far, because I have seen way worse things.

***Do you think MJ posed for the pic years and years ago or recently (after June 25th)? because he's face does kind of look young there...also the pic reminded me of a horror movie, like the background, I think Bec put a pic of Saw in one of the other threads which is what it reminded me of...also for some reason it kinda reminded me of The Ring, which was also what is up under the tmz banner in the 'memba' category.

That tape recording is epic. It reminded me of that interview in (I think) '89 where Mike talks about that intro for 'I just can't stop loving you'. Where he said he recorded that when he was in bed. Like Jermaine said in his book, MJ tape recorded almost everything, I bet he recorded this himself too. Is it really him? Yes I think it is and I wonder how many times he had to start again because he couldn't stop laughing.

***ahaha

:idea: Prosecution: [the day before his death] 'Michael was excited about the Illusion that was to begin the next day'. Great, just great, that the Prosecution slipped that in.

Ding dong, everyone paying attention? The DA even asked Kenny what that illusion meant, and Kenny answered that MJ would disappear from a bed. I wonder how many people noticed that huge 'coincidence'. :lol:

***That whole thing about Kenny saying he was worried for Michael weeks before June 25th, saying he looked ill, forgot things and was 'lost' ...then when he saw him a few days before he 'died' he said MJ looked healthy and fine (which I think he said was during the time CM treated him, after that time Kenny felt worried for MJ and at the time Kenny said MJ looked fine and healthy)...also when TII was coming out in cinemas he said at that time Michael was healthy, I don't think then he said he was worried about him, did he?...then when MJ 'died' Kenny got a call and he was told that Michael was 'gone'.

:idea: Close captioning during the Prosecution's opening statement wrote "Conradt Murder", quickly erased "Murder" and replaced it with "Murray". If CC'ing is from court, it's a subliminal clue. If CC'ing is from the network, it exposes the prevalent bias in the case. "Murder" speaks for itself but "Contradt" is interesting in it's similarity to "Contract" and when preceeding "Murder" it reminds me of the early attempts at anagraming Murray's name to "murder by contract".

***Where was this? ...I didn't see it.

Okay, I will be back after reviewing/reading the opening statements again, plus the testimonies. I did love Kenny's though, he's such a sweet guy. And he said so many interesting things about the reasons Michael wanted to do this and how he cancelled everything else to be able to be a part of this. I will get back on that later as well.

***I loved how he kept on mentioning the message