Gaddafi killed??

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Well .. I find that it's taking a lot of risks just to prove a point. We still have videos of people demonstrating in Libya for example...and unless the population is in on it I don't quite understand why they would demonstrate if nothing is happening.

Indeed.  Show me those pictures.  What I've seen have all been CGI.  But maybe you have something more convincing?

I don't have pictures that could convince you but when I watched this video I thought that things were happening for real.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdhROtme9yU&feature=related[/youtube]

 
 
Gang of assassins and of genocide..

[~Souza~]

Well, that's what I'm saying.  Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told.  Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion. 

 
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO

I'm not sure of your question, but I think you are asking whether or not I think the NATO bombings are real, to which I respond "NO!"

So what is the point of making us believe so?  confused/

First of all, and this will seem outrageous, I believe Michael is a part of this hoax.  This is not being perpetrated by the same people that pulled off 9-11.  This is the revenge.  This is the reversal of it all.  One has to recall that Libya has always been a part of Bush's Axis of Evil. 

IF I am right, the point is to demonstrate how people can believe ANYthing if the media tells them so.  To accomplish this, the Qadaffi would have to be a part of it.  I've read where the Libyan internet has been virtually shut down.  Whether that's true or not, I can't confirm, but I challenge anyone to provide me with a one image of this conflict that is credible.  Like with the MJ hoax, I remain open to the possibility that he is dead, pending convincing evidence.

I find your thoughts fascinating gwynned but I don't think Michael is behind what's going on in Libya (or what's not going on).  We are not getting accurate or truthful reports on what's happening there, I agree and it is another example of the media lying and forcing people to believe them.  I think "they" (TPTB) are behind these lies once again.  To create a distraction (from WHAT?), to frighten Gadhafi supporters/sympathizers, to create a false spending sheet so the money supposedly being spent on this can actually be spent elsewhere that they don't want us to know about, the list goes on and on.  Since I have no idea what is actually going on I can't say for sure, but I just have a feeling that "they" are behind these lies.  And for sinister reasons, to further their agenda.

I agree with you Andrea. There is stuff going on in Lybia. I don't know what, I haven't been there myself, but I remember someone said she knew someone  in Lybia that confirmed that it was a mess there. I think it was Gema, but I'm not sure.

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 THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IN UNION OF HIS EUROPEAN PARTNERS OF THE O.T.A.N ARE IN TRIPOLI NOW BE CHEAP FUEL TO MOVE THE MACHINERY OF WAR THAT HAVE ALL THESE IMPERIALIST NATIONS, WILL HAVE THE CONFISCATED TO LIBYA AND THE 128 TONNES OF RESERVES IN GOLD RESERVES IN DOLLARS. NOW WILL BE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR STRUGGLING ECONOMIES.
 IN THE SAME WAY AS IN THE PAST WE PLUNDERED EXCLAVIZARON AND ALMOST THEY EXTERMINATED TO TAKE AWAY OUR RESOURCES, IS STILL REPEATED IN THE PRESENT THE SAME STORY. A NEW COLONIALISM IS A NEW CONQUEST, THE POWERFUL ON THE PEOPLE WITH LESS CAPACITY IN TECHNOLOGY ARMAMENTS, POPULATIONS OF LESSER IN NUMBERS AND PACIFIST VOCATION DE.


 ALL HAVE FALLEN SILENT, KEEP A COMPLICIT SILENCE.
 1 OIL, 2. RESERVES IN GOLD. 3. RESERVES IN DOLLARS (CONFISCATED). 4 WATER RESERVES. 5. STRATEGIC LOCATION (THE GATE OF AFRICA).
 THESE ARE THE IMPERIAL GOALS.

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Libya War’s Unsung Heroes
By Clive Irving | The Daily Beast – 5 hrs ago

Somewhere high over the Mediterranean right now, a small crew of military specialists sits hunched over computer screens aboard a cruising jet. They could be American, British, or French. Since March they have been the commanding brains of the NATO mission against Muammar Gaddafi’s forces in Libya. Largely unseen and unsung, they are as responsible as anyone for Gaddafi’s defeat.

As arguments raged about whether the U.S. commitment to a “no boots on the ground” role in Libya would work, this whole unproven concept depended on a small fleet of military airplanes called AWACS—for Airborne Warning and Control System. Think of them as a combination of a flying air-traffic-control center and a lethal attack dog.

What makes the NATO Libya operation unique is that it is, literally, a complex battlefield directed and operated entirely in the air. The AWACS crews have to control all the resources being deployed simultaneously, a sky full of airplanes of every type and size flying from high in the stratosphere down to near sea level: nimble electronic surveillance airplanes sent to disrupt Gaddafi’s command-and-control network; ground attack airplanes, helicopters, and drones; maritime air patrols to block Gaddafi’s ports; high-altitude bombers; and the tankers that refuel many of the airplanes in the air—including the AWACS airplanes themselves, which have to stay airborne for long periods, as their crews confirm targets and give permission to attack. Virtually all the aerial refueling was provided by the U.S. Air Force.

The U.S., British, and French air forces each provided their own AWACS airplanes to maintain 24/7 coverage of the war theater. In an achievement that illustrates the cohesion of NATO’s disparate elements, all three air forces use common systems of communication, and have frequently trained together.

On Monday, NATO confirmed that since the Libyan operations began its forces have flown 19,877 sorties, including 7,505 that were strikes against Gaddafi’s forces and installations.

On Sunday alone—as rebel forces entered Tripoli—there were three strikes on command-and-control facilities and nine on Gaddafi’s dwindling air defenses.

At the outset, the first priority was to enforce the no-fly zone that rendered Gaddafi’s Air Force impotent. But whatever the euphemisms employed to cover the air operations—such as “a limited support role”—the coordination of NATO air power and the rebels on the ground steadily improved from those early days when the first rebel attacks were chaotic and NATO pilots could barely distinguish who was friend or foe.

How different it became. Take, for example, one episode last week, as the western city of Zawiyah, gateway to the final stretch of road into the capital, Tripoli, was being contested. The central square of Zawiyah was both strategically and symbolically of high value. But, as they had done many times before, Gaddafi’s forces used a low-tech, low-cost but highly effective method to impede the rebels’ advance by deploying snipers from the roofs of tall buildings in the square.

NATO surveillance watched this problem develop, and told the rebels to back off from the square. Within a few hours the snipers had been taken out by an airstrike—probably by a Predator drone that the snipers never saw or heard. (It’s been evident for a while that some of the more tactical targeting has been assisted by French and British special forces on the ground.)

It is a familiar truism that air power alone can never win a war, no matter how devastating it is. Vietnam proved that. But Libya was a different and risky experiment, leaving the ground war to an indigenous, improvised, and often amateur collection of fighters with little or no battle experience, while, under the guise of “protecting” them, NATO set about a relentless war of attrition until the rebels could close in on that final Gaddafi compound in Tripoli.

And even though the outcome now looks and smells like victory, NATO’s resources were severely stretched. British defense chiefs were reprimanded by Prime Minister David Cameron when they publicly complained that fighting simultaneously in Afghanistan and over Libya was exhausting their capabilities. (Mats Berdal of the department of war studies at King’s College London, told Bloomberg News Monday that NATO was “running out of ammunition.”) French President Nicolas Sarkozy was attacked for impulsively committing his military to support the uprising. France made the largest contribution in ships and airplanes.

Both Cameron and Sarkozy will now brandish their cojones, claiming to have had “a good war.” As they do, the reality of how close NATO really came, in fact, to running out of ammunition—actually and figuratively—is, for sure, nowhere better understood than by those crews aboard the AWACS airplanes, who were the final arbiters of how to use whatever resources were available.

At this point in this adventure started by MJ's hoax and the lessons I have learned along the way, I have now been able to cut past the smoke and mirrors. To me it doesn't matter who the media is because I take the info that is being reported and verify it independantly from multiple other sources. There is always truth hidden amongst lies. There is a video that is in the middle of the page on the above article.

It is Prez Obama making a speech. It is his words along with what I already know of the hidden agenda of the NWO that says to me that this was a real uprising and yes there is a hidden agenda behind it. So yes there is a hoax going on but it is TPTB's real agenda why the assistance in Libya.

First of all Bush and Obama are the front men and pawns, they go along with TPTB's agenda and further it however they have to. In saying that, TPTB are the ones behind 9/11 and it was an inside job from USA govt. in coordination with other parties.

In this case with the Libyan uprising TPTB used the rebels and sided with them to use them in TPTB's eventually take over of Libya and take down of Gaddafi. Instead of USA troops invading and starting a long term war like Afghanistan; the NATO forces under the "guise" of helping the rebels took out the leader in a smarter, less costly way.

TPTB do learn from history. TPTB do know that people are becoming smarter and the people's eyes are opening up to their hidden hand. TPTB did a sneak move to further the agenda to a One World govt. There is a whole lot more leaders and countries involved with the agenda than most people understand. Under the "guise" of peace and liberation Prez Obama is telling those who are asleep that it is all good. Those of us who are awakened see past the BS.

On the left hand side of the above article link is related articles worth reading and so is the other links I provided on the 1st page. Read the articles, filter it through awakened eyes and you can see the hidden agenda coming from TPTB. They didn't give up just because they know people are becoming aware. They think we are sheeples and they are smarter than us.

In a way if some people see only hoaxes (as in it is never happening) then TPTB are succeeding because they have people in a state of confusion; which they like so the people will demand TPTB do something to help. The objective is fear and control and to TPTB it doesn't matter how they achieve control over people. You can be a asleep sheeple or a wide awake to a certain point conspiracy theorist. TPTB will come in and rescue the sheeple because of Order out of Chaos theory.

There is more than just oil in Africa.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR3Qq9EBJn0&feature=related[/youtube]

Uploaded by WorldchannelNews7 on Jun 10, 2011
NATO is continuing its barrage of the Libyan capital, with no sign there will be any let-up until Colonel Muammar Gaddafi goes. Western and Arab countries are showing their support for the Libyan opposition by pledging more money. The rebels say they need $3 billion over the next several months to pay salaries and buy supplies. Although the rebels have managed to get financing from their first oil exports to the US, writer and filmmaker Patrick Henningsen believes the oil business coming out of Libya is not the main driver of this NATO operation.

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Libya is another Iraq... those who are behind these "civilians" uprisings that as who knew they, in the uprisings that took place against the "paper bin" in uruguay, personal military British disguised as ecologists to carrying out actions of social conflict is demonstrated. And demonstrated is that this power be not reported on time produces an acceptance in sectors means that promote these military interventions. And is this acceptance that must fight on the internet that we have no other means and fight the lies of the mass media