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Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "Gema"And off topic, but according to repports, in 9 days USA will be decleared officially bankrupt. That´s what I call a BAM and something to care about.Seriously, I told someone a month ago that this would happen. I am starting to freak myself out lately. Bye Bye Dollar, bye bye Euro. Hello NWO. :evil: I hope you guys are kidding. This would be the end of things like we know it.So China will take over USA as the biggest creditor?
Quote from: "Gema"And off topic, but according to repports, in 9 days USA will be decleared officially bankrupt. That´s what I call a BAM and something to care about.Seriously, I told someone a month ago that this would happen. I am starting to freak myself out lately. Bye Bye Dollar, bye bye Euro. Hello NWO. :evil:
And off topic, but according to repports, in 9 days USA will be decleared officially bankrupt. That´s what I call a BAM and something to care about.
What the? It's gone. I was just reading there today, left for work and now it's been taken down.
Something strange with this. On page 152 [thankyou Jetzi] LaToya says she was 8 years old when the family moved to California. But she was born in 1956, so that does not add up and that is the sort of mistake you would have proof read for before going to print. I think there are times when maybe it is MJ who is writing this, such as when LaToya says she couldn't sleep nights after her escape, and we have to read between the lines for the hoax code. Early on in the book LaToya made a point of saying that Michael and herself were so much alike that everyone in the family used to call them the twins. As for the 8 years old, the only thing that I can think of is that Berry Gordy made MJ say he was 8 and not 10 when they signed with Motown. Right...removing reading glasses and replacing with hoax specs.
Quoteby ~SouzaGema wrote:And off topic, but according to repports, in 9 days USA will be decleared officially bankrupt. That´s what I call a BAM and something to care about.Seriously, I told someone a month ago that this would happen. I am starting to freak myself out lately. Bye Bye Dollar, bye bye Euro. Hello NWO. fordtocarr was explaining about JW beliefs and she mentioned that they believe that Michael the archangel will rule from heaven and on earth there would be what they call a New World Order. I find that interesting. Who came up with the concept first I wonder? I've been trying to find out more about that question. From what I find, the Witnesses stopped using that phrase...I guess you could say in 2010..because of this other NWO that the world in now familiar with, esp. since 911 and some statement made by Pres. Bush. From what I've read (and remember, I had been reluctant to read info connecting the witnesses founders to this because of the rumored Illuminati ties) it was translated from the Bible in Revelations. It was used back in the 40's and 50's...I haven't found if it was used before that. The articles say that it was really replaced long ago, with terms like New World...New System of things...and others.I began to study with the Witnesses in 1985 and "I" was aware of that term New World Order...so apparently the oldies were using it still. I think with events in the world unfolding and the other NWO all over the place, the witnesses stopped using it because, of course, because how could anyone come to learn what they teach if it's being told it's evil? What a great ploy by the devil as far as I'm concerned....Quotecurls wrote:I've sat with this for a few days to gather my thoughts.TS's post kind of stopped me in my tracks, and made me question how much of this hoax is the work of a superbly creative, innovative, pioneer in the field of entertainment (which has always been my over-riding thought), how much is, in fact, a deadly serious operation for safety's sake, and whether indeed the two can be married.I have not reached a firm decision on this as yet, mainly because in remaining open-minded I also know there are lies, lies and more lies, out there regarding MJ and his family.How can we discern between lies and truth? The problem with lies, whether told to protect someone or to deceive, is like the story of 'the boy who cried wolf'. One can get so used to hearing what are perceived as lies, that when the truth is being presented it can ignored or discarded.So I watch and wait, read and think, neither fully discounting nor fully accepting much that I come across - an open-minded fence-sitter!I feel similarly to your posts.Regarding Latoya's truthfulness, in the Glenda tapes, which are old I realize, MJ gives some thoughts on Latoya.Glenda Transcript 3-2QuoteM- You don’t like Randy?.S- No, I never liked Randy. Too, uh, he’s too hard and too obnoxious. He’s too, um, he’s too angry. Angry…if you have a need to be angry, fine, that’s one thing. If you got no business being angry (on the street). I like Janet. She’s…M- Latoya’s a witch.S- Latoya’s crazy, a crazy person. I don’t have anything against her. She has a sweet voice. She’s a beautiful girl. Real beautiful girlM: Yeah she’s prettyS:…on the outside, maybe on the outside..M- Janet’s real natural. Toya’s got-S: Oh yeah, definitelyM: Toya’s got too much of a weave in her hair.S- ..Well you know (that’s typical?). Toya’s a pretty girl. Janet’s has. Janet just oozes with personality.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginGlenda Transcript 2-5QuoteM: Latoya’s saying all this and that, Latoya upsetting youG: I tell you Latoya and I went around and aroundM: laughingGlenda: God, I remember that and she said what do you want and I said, well what do you want? We want back and forth and then finally she said she told me what she said, she said “I want it to end” and I said, “Well, you’re not gonna get that, Latoya.” Funny, she wanted to meet us, she wanted us to meet-Michael: I know! Her and her…Glenda: (laugh)Michael:….hit man, hit man boyfriend.Glenda: Yeah. (laugh)Michael: I was going to say niggerYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginGLENDA TRANSCRIPT 3-1QuoteM- It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya’s book was published in ’91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass.S- Laughs. Well, some of your family’s pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
by ~SouzaGema wrote:And off topic, but according to repports, in 9 days USA will be decleared officially bankrupt. That´s what I call a BAM and something to care about.Seriously, I told someone a month ago that this would happen. I am starting to freak myself out lately. Bye Bye Dollar, bye bye Euro. Hello NWO.
curls wrote:I've sat with this for a few days to gather my thoughts.TS's post kind of stopped me in my tracks, and made me question how much of this hoax is the work of a superbly creative, innovative, pioneer in the field of entertainment (which has always been my over-riding thought), how much is, in fact, a deadly serious operation for safety's sake, and whether indeed the two can be married.I have not reached a firm decision on this as yet, mainly because in remaining open-minded I also know there are lies, lies and more lies, out there regarding MJ and his family.How can we discern between lies and truth? The problem with lies, whether told to protect someone or to deceive, is like the story of 'the boy who cried wolf'. One can get so used to hearing what are perceived as lies, that when the truth is being presented it can ignored or discarded.So I watch and wait, read and think, neither fully discounting nor fully accepting much that I come across - an open-minded fence-sitter!
M- You don’t like Randy?.S- No, I never liked Randy. Too, uh, he’s too hard and too obnoxious. He’s too, um, he’s too angry. Angry…if you have a need to be angry, fine, that’s one thing. If you got no business being angry (on the street). I like Janet. She’s…M- Latoya’s a witch.S- Latoya’s crazy, a crazy person. I don’t have anything against her. She has a sweet voice. She’s a beautiful girl. Real beautiful girlM: Yeah she’s prettyS:…on the outside, maybe on the outside..M- Janet’s real natural. Toya’s got-S: Oh yeah, definitelyM: Toya’s got too much of a weave in her hair.S- ..Well you know (that’s typical?). Toya’s a pretty girl. Janet’s has. Janet just oozes with personality.
M: Latoya’s saying all this and that, Latoya upsetting youG: I tell you Latoya and I went around and aroundM: laughingGlenda: God, I remember that and she said what do you want and I said, well what do you want? We want back and forth and then finally she said she told me what she said, she said “I want it to end” and I said, “Well, you’re not gonna get that, Latoya.” Funny, she wanted to meet us, she wanted us to meet-Michael: I know! Her and her…Glenda: (laugh)Michael:….hit man, hit man boyfriend.Glenda: Yeah. (laugh)Michael: I was going to say nigger
M- It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya’s book was published in ’91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass.S- Laughs. Well, some of your family’s pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?
We know that Joel Steinger, the mastermind of the billion-dollar Mutual Benefits Ponzi scheme with ties to several Broward politicians (Steve Geller, Stacy Ritter, Ellyn Bogdanoff, and others), had connections to Colombian drug cartels.Now we have evidence of another intriguing connection, this one to the so-called Jewish Mafia in Miami, including business mogul and The Forge owner Alvin Malnik and infamous gangster Meyer Lansky. Another old Steinger chum: Whitewater attorney and 911 Commission member Richard Ben-Veniste, who defended Steinger in his 1981 felony case and remained close friends with him. Two sources with close ties to Steinger say that Ben-Veniste always hangs with Steinger when he’s in town from Washington and that Steinger facilitates good times for the nationally known attorney.Ben-Veniste is now a partner with the high-powered international law firm Mayer Brown in D.C. Despite his impressive-seeming resume (he also played a significant role in Watergate), Ben-Veniste has always been rumored ot have friends (and former law clients) in low places. Not sure if any go lower than Steinger, though.Steinger, according to multiple sources, also knew Meyer Lansky and even received a puppy from a litter related to the mobster’s prized shih tzu “Bruiser.” Steinger, a long-time fraud artist and boiler room operator, is also close friends with Alvin Malnik, another reputed mob figure with big-time legitimate businesses, including major real estate holdings throughout South Florida. Reader’s Digest rather famously dubbed Malnik as Lansky’s “heir apparent” when the mobster died in 1983. Malnik, who lives in a multmillion dollar mansion in Ocean Ridge in Palm Beach County, has ties to unions, [highlight=#ff0000:ly3k83k9]commercial property, Michael Jackson,[/highlight:ly3k83k9] Las Vegas, Hollywood — and just about anything else you want to name.Malnik used to live at the Cricket Club in Miami. It was in the parking garage there that Malnik’s brand new Rolls Royce was blown up in 1982. Malnik’s ties to organized crime run deep and long, beginning with Lansky. In 1980, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission denied him a gambling license because they found he was a “person of unsuitable character and unsuitable reputation.” While he still has vast business interests (including a rather remarkable kinship with the Saudi royal family) he’s perhaps best known for his philanthropic role with the Make-A-Wish Foundation.The link between Malnik and Steinger comes not only from those who know Steinger, but also from official Broward County records. As I reported this week in a piece on Steinger’s bitter divorce, the Mutual Benefits mastermind recently received a $602,000 loan from Miami attorney David M. Goldstein. Goldstein has also represented several of Steinger’s business interests. Goldstein is a right-hand man for Alvin Malnik, whom he’s been working for for many years, along with Malnik’s son, Shareef. Goldstein also represents Hollywood film producer Brett Rattner (Rush Hour, X-Men:The Last Stand), who is so close to Malnik that he calls Rattner his “11th son.” Goldstein didn’t return a phone call, so the reason for his giant loan to Broward’s version of Bernie Madoff isn’t known.It should be noted that there is no evidence that Malnik, Goldstein, or Ben-Veniste were involved in Mutual Benefits itself. It’s just interesting to know who one of the great rip-off artists in Florida history called his friends.
