TIAI July 7

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First of all, this is not a new level; this is a continuation of level 5, started on 6-25-11 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19647}.  However, this post is long enough and important enough, that I put it into a new thread and new redirect. 

This post is primarily going to be quotes from La Toya Jackson's new book, Starting Over (to save space, I will only reference the page number for documentation; but unless otherwise stated, all quotes in this post are from that book).  With the release of this book, we now have official and very public statements from a Jackson family member, verifying several things that TS has been saying for nearly two years now—including and especially that there was an exact day planned for the death, and MJ himself knew the exact day in advance!  No longer can anyone claim that the 777 and other numerology was a coincidence; and TS was the first to tell you about it on 9-7-09, with much greater detail in Update 4 in March of 2010 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=7010}.

Please limit this thread to discussion on La Toya's book (especially as it relates to what I have quoted below, and level 5); and continue to use the other thread for everything else related to level 5 {again, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19647}.

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We Should Investigate What Happened to Michael

There is a dedication page in the front of the book, and the very last sentence on that page says: "Let's continue to support the King and find out what truly happened to him, and let's keep his legacy alive."  The book ends with a similar statement: "Everyone still has strong opinions about the estate, the people controlling it, and what happened to Michael." (335).  Interesting that these statements use the wording "what (truly) happened to" Michael—instead of saying, who killed him.  Jermaine also used this same wording, in his one year anniversary interview with Larry King {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}.

"I wondered if my family would investigate [if La Toya had been killed], or if they would believe what they were told and never know the truth." (9).  "But I quickly realized that I had to have an open mind, and I could not assign the blame to either party until I had heard the full story from both sides." (266).  Here again, we see that La Toya is against being prejudice and in favor of investigating the truth—we should not merely believe what we are told.

"There is still so much to be learned and so much to be revealed. ... I'm not done with my investigation for the truth yet; I've only scratched the surface. I will never give up until I unveil the truth and justice is served." (331,333).  Does anyone remember TS saying that "everything covered so far has just been an introductory course" {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=11061}.

Also, if MJ is really dead, then "justice" would certainly include justice for murder; but if he faked his death, there is still justice to be served: for attempting to kill him (on 9-11-2001 and other times); and for the false pedophile charges, etc.

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The "Conspiracy" Is Much Bigger than Just a Few Executives

Speaking of the attempt to kill MJ on 9-11, here it is: "I later learned that Michael was supposed to attend a meeting at the top of the World Trade Center at 9:00 a.m. on September 11, but he was too tired, and the meeting was canceled. Had he gone, he would have died in the attack that day." (186).

Wow!  What a coincidence!!!   :shock: :o :shock: Notice that the meeting was not only scheduled for the morning of the exact day (an afternoon meeting would not have killed him, because the towers would've come down already), but it was planned for the "top" of the building—which is the place least likely for survival.  For those who are not easily fooled by the "coincidence" excuse: this shows that the "conspiracy" against MJ was far bigger than just a few executives at Sony, and/or AEG, etc.  This was a major NWO power that knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance!  And by the way: TS said this very thing clear back in 2009 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=1930}.

In the 6-25-2011 thread, some have questioned my terminology using the word "Illuminatti"; but as I have stated before, I'm using the term loosely.  There is no need to quibble over the exact title of the people and organizations involved in the "conspiracy" against MJ (and the 9-11 conspiracy, etc); the concepts are what we are dealing with here, and the concepts have to do with secret societies and organized underground crime (especially ones working to promote the New World Order agenda, although some lower-level elements may not be aware of the NWO agenda at higher levels).

Now for a few quotes about Jack Gordon, who was La Toya's very abusive manager.  "For almost a decade, Gordon controlled me with a campaign of brutalization and manipulation, beating me several times a week, threatening my life and the lives of my family members [including and especially MJ], and proving he had the mob ties to carry out his most violent promises." (1).  "... he [MJ] knew that Gordon was linked to the Mafia, as apparently, were some of the men who were targeting him at this time." (206).  "He [MJ] went on to tell me he believed it was a whole handful of scoundrels behind the plot, who were coming in for the kill. He was clearly terrified. [P] 'You'll see,' he said. 'It's all about my publishing.' [P] What he described made Gordon look like a small-time crook." (227).

"Michael had an even greater fear than the possibility that he might be found guilty [in the 2005 trial]. He was wearing a bulletproof vest, a habit he had adopted since the time when he went head-to-head with Tommy Mottola of Sony in 2001, and again in 2002." (252,253; see 200).

"But I was well aware of his assassination fears, and I'd been researching on my own to put together the puzzle pieces of the conspiracy he [MJ] had described." (246).  "I began investigating the conspiracy Michael described to me ... I was determined to find out all that I could so that together, Michael and I might be able to stop it." (257,258).  Can anyone think of what MJ may have planned, to help fight against this conspiracy?  Did he do nothing whatsoever??  Or if he did do something, what was it—anything at all (other than planning a fake death, to draw major world attention to the conspiracy)???

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FBI Involvement and Sting Operations

"... the FBI had it [a mob hangout room] bugged for years and gathered a great deal of evidence to prosecute mobsters ... Out of nowhere, the FBI asked to speak to me about Gordon and our visits to Mulberry Street. ... the FBI agents did reveal some mob secrets to me that I could hardly believe." (45-47).  There is no doubt that the FBI has been aware of death threats against both La Toya and Michael; and they have clearly worked to protect La Toya, so why would they not work to protect MJ as well?  And what did they do to help protect MJ, if not a death hoax sting {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18964}?

La Toya herself has been involved in sting operations before: "One night, I was used as a prostitute decoy [a sting operation], which meant dressing up like a hooker and standing outside on a corner while johns pulled over and tried to pick me up. ... I was also concerned with doing my job well, so it was important to me to be convincing enough to actually make the arrest." (265).

Also, it is very clear in her book, that La Toya lied to protect MJ while she was still with Jack Gordon.  So is it possible that should would also lie now, about MJ's death, as part of an FBI fake death sting operation to expose the conspiracy (and help protect MJ)?

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Fake Illness, Fake Injury, and Fake Death

"Although I immediately felt relieved [when Jack Gordon died], Gordon had faked his death before, so I couldn't believe that he had really died. I sent a security expert to the funeral to make sure that he was in the casket. The expert called me from the funeral home and confirmed that he had seen Jack Gordon dead in his casket." (250).  So La Toya is very familiar with fake deaths, and she even included this in her book—interesting!

"'La Toya, Michael's just doing this [going to the hospital on 6-25-2009] to get out of his shows,' Jeffre said. [P] This immediately eased my mind because I knew that it could well be true. I had been told that Michael didn't want to do the London shows, which were scheduled to begin in just a few days. Michael was known, within the family, to have faked illness and injury in the past to avoid commitments that displeased him ... I kept praying and talking to myself out loud. [P] 'Okay, La Toya, calm down. Michael is going to be fine. It's just an act.' [P] But somehow, I knew this wasn't true ..." (283-285).

Now wait a minute—how did she know that it was not an act?  If she already knew of a death hoax plan, then she would know that it was an act; but if she was not in on any death hoax plan at that time, then how could she possibly know that it was not an act (even before going to the hospital, which is the timing of this statement)?

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La Toya's Own Usage of "This Is It"

La Toya is very aware of the MJ's concert and film title, "This Is It"; and in fact several times she refers to the concert series and movie by this title.  However, there are a few very interesting statements where she used the same phrase, referring to her own life and experience; and it would be hard to imagine that she did not think of the connection with MJ when she used this very same phrase.

"This is it. I'm dying." (7; referring to 1993, after she had been beaten almost to death by Gordon).  "This is it! I'm making a clean escape. ... Wow! I did it! This is it, I finally took the first step [in making the escape] ..." (128,130).  So she connects "This is it" with death, and escape!  Could it be any clearer that MJ chose the title "This Is It" because it was all about escape through fake death?

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This Is It Concerts Versus Movie

"He [MJ] had vowed to never perform again because he was sure he would be assassinated onstage. ... His dream was to produce and direct movies ... Michael wanted to move into more of a behind-the-scenes role [Liberian Girl!] ... I hoped very much, for his sake, that he would find a means to do so." (256; see 324).  It doesn't sound like MJ ever had a plan to perform in London (or anywhere), which is exactly what the next quote below says.

"Leonard [Rowe] felt it was almost as if Michael knew that, for one reason or another, he would never perform those concerts [This Is It in London]." (278).  "Why would AEG film Michael's rehearsals when they had no agreement in place with him to make a concert movie?" (309).  "... I am amazed by how quickly that film [This Is It] came together from only three days of shooting Michael, which makes me wonder if a film of some kind was already in progress." (332).

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Exact Day Of Death Known In Advance By Michael

My very first post was on 9-7-09, giving a brief overview of numerology evidence showing that MJ himself planned a very specific day (6-25-09) for his death.  And in March of 2010, I did a long update going into much greater detail about this numerology {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=7010}.  Since that time, I have also given even further details on the numerology, including a $999 reward for anyone to prove that it was a coincidence (1 chance in less than one million); but so far, nobody has even made a serious attempt to collect the reward.

In addition to the numerology, there is MJ's remake of Gilda {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKQohTYi9pc; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilda; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Macready}.  This was a movie about a fake death, in which the actor had the same August 29 birthday as MJ (and by the way, La Toya says that this is MJ's "actual birthday"—page 245).

Many also know that MJ was planning a magic illusion for 6-25-09; he was planning to disappear while on stage (during rehearsal), only to reappear later at a different place on the stage.  Of course some will say that this is yet another coincidence; but especially with everything else, no doubt it was part of the bigger plan—and it was actually about disappearing through a death hoax, and reappearing later in a BAM!  {http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1624058/michael-jackson-collaborators-clueless-about-addiction.jhtml; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17002#p289674}

And finally, according to AEG CEO Randy Phillips, Michael's last statement on that last rehearsal night was: "... thanks for getting me this far, I can take it from here."  {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2yIV-LaPI}.  This sure sounds like MJ did indeed know that something major was going to change, at that very time (and the change would not be traveling to London, because the rehearsals at Staples were not finished yet).

With a brief refresher in mind of these above four categories (numerology, Gilda, magic illusion, and MJ's last statement): there are quite a few statements quoted below, from La Toya's book, which show very clearly that MJ did have advance knowledge about that exact day of his death (6-25-09).  So the only question is whether he succeeded pulling off the death hoax on that day, or did they kill him on the same day that he planned to fake his death?

"'You're going to have to take care of Prince and Blanket if something ever happens to me [MJ]. You're going to have to be the mother if something happens to me, Paris.' ... [La Toya asked:] 'When did he say that, Paris?' [P] 'Last night [6-24-09], before he went to rehearsal. ...'" (292).

This next quote is rather lengthy, with excerpts from pages 326-331: "Michael's fans have been particularly helpful in providing useful information. Because they were so loyal to Michael, they knew his habits extremely well and were struck by the deviation from the norm on the nights just prior to, and the night of, Michael's death. ... According to fans, when Michael was on his way to rehearsal on [June 24] the day of his death, as he drove through the gate at Carolwood, he did not roll his window down and talk to them. That was totally out of character for Michael. I've never known Michael to behave in that way to a group of fans that had been so devoted to him. ... Then, when he arrived at the Staples Center, he didn't walk over to his fans. ... That night, June 24, 2009, Michael's last night of rehearsal before he died, his usual routine was again interrupted. ... A number of men involved in his business dealings, who had never before been there during rehearsals, were waiting that evening for Michael to get there. Michael and the men remained in his dressing room for several hours ... I believe that Michael knew at that moment he was going to die soon. ... When Michael left his final rehearsal on the night that he passed, he managed to deliver a covert message to some fans through tears. [P] 'You've gotta help me,' he whispered. 'You've gotta get me out of here.' ... As usual, the fans sped to Carolwood to get there before Michael arrived. They did so, as always, but this night was different. According to the fans who stayed outside Michael's house every night to watch him come home from rehearsal, on the night of June 24, 2009, the last night before he passed, when he arrived home from rehearsal, the security measures at the house were much different from any other night when Michael returned from rehearsal. A line of roughly ten men were lined up on both sides of his gate. Normally, he had only the two or three security guards that were with him, and the one that was in the post inside the yard. But this night was different, security was everywhere, and again Michael's car didn't stop on the way inside the gate. ... [One fan reported:] 'I stand outside the gate, and Michael has the same routine every night. After he comes home from rehearsal, he goes upstairs, and about twenty minutes later the light in a room goes off. The night that he died, the light stayed on all night. I got worried. The light never went off. I didn't get it. I didn't understand what had happened. It was very strange. ... Oh, and security was acting strange,' she said. [P] I knew I needed to speak to several other fans regarding that night, and when I did, their stories were the same."

We have long been told that MJ never got any sleep that night, and he was still trying to get to sleep the next morning, when Dr. Murray gave him the propofol to put him to sleep.  But now we know why he couldn't get to sleep that night—because he forgot to shut the light off when he went to bed!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: lolol/

But seriously: either the light was on all night (and all those other strange things that happened) because it was the beginning of implementing the death hoax, or else it was when MJ was murdered (and then they tried to make it look like Murray accidentally killed him the next morning).  Once again, then, which one of these two actually happened?  This is the multi-million dollar question {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19647}.

"One of Michael's last phone calls, the day before he died, was to our father, asking him for protection against the people who were preying on him. Unfortunately, the forces at work against Michael were so great that neither Michael nor Joseph could overcome them, even with their combined strength." (158).

Could this be true?   Could it be that not his family, not his body guards, not the police, not the FBI, etc—not all of them combined could save MJ's life, even though MJ knew in advance the very day that he was going to die?  That is the question for level 5.  Did MJ fake his death on the planned day, or did the people conspiring against him succeed in killing him on the exact day which MJ himself planned and knew about in advance?

In support of the murder theory (which I'm supposed to be defending in this level): La Toya's book speaks out repeatedly and powerfully that he was murdered.  And she also writes with great detail and emotion about MJ's death, and repeatedly seeing him in the casket, etc (see especially chapter 37).  Are these statements in the book true, or is La Toya doing her part in a convincing sting operation?  Or is it possible that La Toya herself is not in on the sting—could a dummy in the casket have fooled her?  These are some of the things to discuss in this thread.

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Appeal for Believers and Non-believers

At this point, no matter how much evidence is presented: very few believers will be convinced that MJ really died, and very few non-believers will be convinced that MJ is alive.  Also, if they did get him on 6-25-09, no amount of investigation and research will ever bring him back to life.

Therefore, perhaps it is time to focus on something that both believers and unbelievers can agree upon: that the Jackson family has been and still is threatened by powers much bigger than a few Sony and/or AEG executives.  And the public needs understand this, including but not limited to MJ fans; there needs to be a widespread awareness of this fact, and then the Jacksons can more directly and more safely work to fight against and expose this major underground corruption.

You can encourage others to read La Toya's book, and be informed of the magnitude of the conspiracy.  This is not merely to promote and sell copies of her book; you can probably go to a library and read it, if you would rather not spend the money to buy it (if a library doesn't currently have it, you can request it and they may order it in).  If nothing else, you can direct people to this thread, which quotes some of the most important parts about the conspiracy, etc.

You can also send tweets to the Jacksons, especially La Toya and Jermaine {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson; http://twitter.com/#!/jermjackson5}; they are the ones who are currently the most involved in trying to expose the conspiracy against MJ.  But don't send tweets asking them about the hoax, that will not help; instead, tell them that you realize what they are up against, and you are willing to do whatever it takes to help them—even at the risk of your own life (but don't say it unless you really mean it).  The more that they see this kind of support, the more they will be able to come out publicly with what they know.  And this is exactly the kind of support that I have been giving for well over a year now, and also encouraging others to give.

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MissG

July 12, 2011, 09:13:49 AM #225 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"

Quote from: "~Souza~"

Quote from: "Gema"

And off topic, but according to repports, in 9 days USA will be decleared officially bankrupt. That´s what I call a BAM and something to care about.

Seriously, I told someone a month ago that this would happen. I am starting to freak myself out lately. Bye Bye Dollar, bye bye Euro. Hello NWO. :evil:

I hope you guys are kidding. This would be the end of things like we know it.
So China will take over USA as the biggest creditor?

According to http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011 ... t-of-money
By 2 August the US must raise the legal limit on its $14.3 trillion debt or face dire consequences

So it is plausible that China takes over, but one never knows.

("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


"Why a four-year-old child could understand this hoax. Run out and find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it"

RK

July 12, 2011, 10:42:07 AM #226 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Something strange with this. On page 152 [thankyou Jetzi] LaToya says she was 8 years old when the family moved to California. But she was born in 1956, so that does not add up and that is the sort of mistake you would have proof read for before going to print. I think there are times when maybe it is MJ who is writing this, such as when LaToya says she couldn't sleep nights after her escape, and we  have to read between the lines for the hoax code. Early on in the book LaToya made a point of saying that Michael and herself were so much alike that everyone in the family used to call them the twins. As for the 8 years old, the only thing that I can think of is that Berry Gordy made MJ say he was 8 and not 10 when they signed with Motown. Right...removing reading glasses and replacing with hoax specs.


BeTheChange

July 12, 2011, 11:05:25 AM #227 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Are you guys still able to access La Toya's book on Jetzi's website?  I had reached chapter 28 (I think) last night, and when I checked back this morning, the entire book has been taken off the site.  All the other books are still visible but (on my screen anyway) Toy's book is gone.

I'd really appreciate if anyone can check this and let me know if you're still able to access it.  Thanks.

With L.O.V.E. always.

The beauty of Michael Jackson is found in his heart and soul...his enormous talent is a bonus and what a bonus it is.

~PLAY the moments...PAUSE the memories...STOP the pain...REWIND the happiness~

RK

July 12, 2011, 11:10:12 AM #228 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

What the? It's gone. I was just reading there today, left for work and now it's been taken down.


fordtocarr

July 12, 2011, 11:15:25 AM #229 Last Edit: July 25, 2011, 09:37:06 PM by bec
Quote from: RK

What the? It's gone. I was just reading there today, left for work and now it's been taken down.

I can't either...
I just sent her an email...
I know she's got a very busy week there in England with The Great Yorkshire Show..and she was trying to get it all on before this week.  Maybe she couldn't so she just pulled it til she has time.
I'll let you know when I hear from her...


MsTrinity333

July 12, 2011, 11:23:11 AM #230 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Yep...the whole site is gone when I checked.

Fide Et Opera

fordtocarr

July 12, 2011, 11:34:12 AM #231 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Nope...site is still up


MsTrinity333

July 12, 2011, 11:50:04 AM #232 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Well the link I had as of yesterday no longer works... can you post the one you have access to?

Fide Et Opera

BeTheChange

July 12, 2011, 11:51:38 AM #233 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Thanks to all for checking.  It does seem rather odd that she would have pulled the entire book until she could scan the rest...up til now, she's kept the book online while there was still pages to scan.  I wonder if perhaps someone asked her to take the book off the site.

It will be interesting to see what she replies to ford's email.

With L.O.V.E. always.

The beauty of Michael Jackson is found in his heart and soul...his enormous talent is a bonus and what a bonus it is.

~PLAY the moments...PAUSE the memories...STOP the pain...REWIND the happiness~

fordtocarr

July 12, 2011, 12:46:46 PM #234 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

She'll answer...she's at that big whoop-t-do in Yorkshire this week.  She lives right by it and was looking forward to it a lot.  She'll prob. be gone all day.  Maybe I'll hear tonight. :)
Here's the link though...
http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/


michaelsupporter

July 12, 2011, 02:34:04 PM #235 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "RK"

Something strange with this. On page 152 [thankyou Jetzi] LaToya says she was 8 years old when the family moved to California. But she was born in 1956, so that does not add up and that is the sort of mistake you would have proof read for before going to print. I think there are times when maybe it is MJ who is writing this, such as when LaToya says she couldn't sleep nights after her escape, and we  have to read between the lines for the hoax code. Early on in the book LaToya made a point of saying that Michael and herself were so much alike that everyone in the family used to call them the twins. As for the 8 years old, the only thing that I can think of is that Berry Gordy made MJ say he was 8 and not 10 when they signed with Motown. Right...removing reading glasses and replacing with hoax specs.

Are you thinking that LaToya and Michael are twins????
Michael Supporter
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
~Mahatma Gandhi

fordtocarr

July 12, 2011, 04:23:37 PM #236 Last Edit: July 25, 2011, 09:38:35 PM by bec

That is way weird!  In LaToya's first book she talks in the chapter, A New Life In California that the group moved out there in 1968 and the family reunited there with them in 1969.  That would've made Michael 10 or 11 depending on which month it happened.. and LaToya 12 or 13.  Very weird.


fordtocarr

July 12, 2011, 04:52:39 PM #237 Last Edit: July 25, 2011, 09:39:41 PM by bec
Quote from: MJonmind

Quote

by ~Souza
Gema wrote:And off topic, but according to repports, in 9 days USA will be decleared officially bankrupt. That´s what I call a BAM and something to care about.

Seriously, I told someone a month ago that this would happen. I am starting to freak myself out lately. Bye Bye Dollar, bye bye Euro. Hello NWO

fordtocarr was explaining about JW beliefs and she mentioned that they believe that Michael the archangel will rule from heaven and on earth there would be what they call a New World Order. I find that interesting. Who came up with the concept first I wonder?

I've been trying to find out more about that question.  From what I find, the Witnesses stopped using that phrase...I guess you could say in 2010..because of this other NWO that the world in now familiar with, esp. since 911 and some statement made by Pres. Bush.
From what I've read (and remember, I had been reluctant to read info connecting the witnesses founders to this because of the rumored Illuminati ties) it was translated from the Bible in Revelations.  It was used back in the 40's and 50's...I haven't found if it was used before that.  The articles say that it was really replaced long ago, with terms like New World...New System of things...and others.
I began to study with the Witnesses in 1985 and "I" was aware of that term New World Order...so apparently the oldies were using it still.  I think with events in the world unfolding and the other NWO all over the place, the witnesses stopped using it because, of course, because how could anyone come to learn what they teach if it's being told it's evil?  What a great ploy by the devil as far as I'm concerned....

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curls wrote:I've sat with this for a few days to gather my thoughts.

TS's post kind of stopped me in my tracks, and made me question how much of this hoax is the work of a superbly creative, innovative, pioneer in the field of entertainment (which has always been my over-riding thought), how much is, in fact, a deadly serious operation for safety's sake, and whether indeed the two can be married.

I have not reached a firm decision on this as yet, mainly because in remaining open-minded I also know there are lies, lies and more lies, out there regarding MJ and his family.

How can we discern between lies and truth? The problem with lies, whether told to protect someone or to deceive, is like the story of 'the boy who cried wolf'. One can get so used to hearing what are perceived as lies, that when the truth is being presented it can ignored or discarded.

So I watch and wait, read and think, neither fully discounting nor fully accepting much that I come across - an open-minded fence-sitter!

I feel similarly to your posts.

Regarding Latoya's truthfulness, in the Glenda tapes, which are old I realize, MJ gives some thoughts on Latoya.

Glenda Transcript 3-2

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M- You don't like Randy?.
S- No, I never liked Randy. Too, uh, he's too hard and too obnoxious. He's too, um, he's too angry. Angry...if you have a need to be angry, fine, that's one thing. If you got no business being angry (on the street). I like Janet. She's...
M- Latoya's a witch.
S- Latoya's crazy, a crazy person. I don't have anything against her. She has a sweet voice. She's a beautiful girl. Real beautiful girl
M: Yeah she's pretty
S:...on the outside, maybe on the outside..
M- Janet's real natural. Toya's got-
S: Oh yeah, definitely
M: Toya's got too much of a weave in her hair.
S- ..Well you know (that's typical?). Toya's a pretty girl. Janet's has. Janet just oozes with personality.

http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/category/glenda

Glenda Transcript 2-5

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M: Latoya's saying all this and that, Latoya upsetting you
G: I tell you Latoya and I went around and around
M: laughing
Glenda: God, I remember that and she said what do you want and I said, well what do you want? We want back and forth and then finally she said she told me what she said, she said "I want it to end" and I said, "Well, you're not gonna get that, Latoya." Funny, she wanted to meet us, she wanted us to meet-
Michael: I know! Her and her...
Glenda: (laugh)
Michael:....hit man, hit man boyfriend.Glenda: Yeah. (laugh)
Michael: I was going to say nigger

http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/category/glenda-transcript-2-5/

GLENDA TRANSCRIPT 3-1

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M- It's like, "the Jackson family, they're so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe". You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya's book was published in '91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. "The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they're so tight knit." Tight knit , my ass.
S- Laughs. Well, some of your family's pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?

http://rhythmofthetide.com/?p=9


suspicious mind

July 12, 2011, 05:08:49 PM #238 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

if i am not mistaken Jesus even mentions a new world order to the disciples ( might not have could it just that , but then again he may have), i haven't read it lately. every time i think of what michael says about everything in print not being the gospel i think to myself i need to take time out to read it again, but then i get side tracked. maybe we should all try and do that soon. it might give some insight.

"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

paula-c

July 12, 2011, 09:01:42 PM #239 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Interesting article about the mafia

The Line To Lansky: Steinger Linked To Ben-Veniste, Jewish Mafia
February 21, 2009 by The Boss

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We know that Joel Steinger, the mastermind of the billion-dollar Mutual Benefits Ponzi scheme with ties to several Broward politicians (Steve Geller, Stacy Ritter, Ellyn Bogdanoff, and others), had connections to Colombian drug cartels.

Now we have evidence of another intriguing connection, this one to the so-called Jewish Mafia in Miami, including business mogul and The Forge owner Alvin Malnik and infamous gangster Meyer Lansky. Another old Steinger chum: Whitewater attorney and 911 Commission member Richard Ben-Veniste, who defended Steinger in his 1981 felony case and remained close friends with him. Two sources with close ties to Steinger say that Ben-Veniste always hangs with Steinger when he's in town from Washington and that Steinger facilitates good times for the nationally known attorney.

Ben-Veniste is now a partner with the high-powered international law firm Mayer Brown in D.C. Despite his impressive-seeming resume (he also played a significant role in Watergate), Ben-Veniste has always been rumored ot have friends (and former law clients) in low places. Not sure if any go lower than Steinger, though.

Steinger, according to multiple sources, also knew Meyer Lansky and even received a puppy from a litter related to the mobster's prized shih tzu "Bruiser." Steinger, a long-time fraud artist and boiler room operator, is also close friends with Alvin Malnik, another reputed mob figure with big-time legitimate businesses, including major real estate holdings throughout South Florida. Reader's Digest rather famously dubbed Malnik as Lansky's "heir apparent" when the mobster died in 1983. Malnik, who lives in a multmillion dollar mansion in Ocean Ridge in Palm Beach County, has ties to unions, [highlight=#ff0000:ly3k83k9]commercial property, Michael Jackson,[/highlight:ly3k83k9] Las Vegas, Hollywood — and just about anything else you want to name.

Malnik used to live at the Cricket Club in Miami. It was in the parking garage there that Malnik's brand new Rolls Royce was blown up in 1982. Malnik's ties to organized crime run deep and long, beginning with Lansky. In 1980, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission denied him a gambling license because they found he was a "person of unsuitable character and unsuitable reputation." While he still has vast business interests (including a rather remarkable kinship with the Saudi royal family) he's perhaps best known for his philanthropic role with the Make-A-Wish Foundation.

The link between Malnik and Steinger comes not only from those who know Steinger, but also from official Broward County records. As I reported this week in a piece on Steinger's bitter divorce, the Mutual Benefits mastermind recently received a $602,000 loan from Miami attorney David M. Goldstein. Goldstein has also represented several of Steinger's business interests. Goldstein is a right-hand man for Alvin Malnik, whom he's been working for for many years, along with Malnik's son, Shareef. Goldstein also represents Hollywood film producer Brett Rattner (Rush Hour, X-Men:The Last Stand), who is so close to Malnik that he calls Rattner his "11th son." Goldstein didn't return a phone call, so the reason for his giant loan to Broward's version of Bernie Madoff isn't known.

It should be noted that there is no evidence that Malnik, Goldstein, or Ben-Veniste were involved in Mutual Benefits itself. It's just interesting to know who one of the great rip-off artists in Florida history called his friends.

http://mafiatoday.com/other-mafia-orgs/ ... ish-mafia/

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