TIAI July 7

[~Souza~]

@peacock: Although I agree on many of your points, I get the feeling you didn't really get TS' post. Please point out where he is saying that the Jacksons are still controlled or have plotted to murder Mike? Where is he disrespectful to any of them? All I see is full support and an attempt to make people see why their situation is no picnic at the moment. Yes this is a movie, I have said so since day 1 to be specific, but even though entertaining and funny as hell at times, this is serious shit. Part of this hoax IS to bring some evil people down, otherwise he could never have pulled this off with help of the FBI.

I am going to comment on TS' post in a later post, just wanted to mention this. TS is not dissing anyone, I think you jumped to conclusions too fast.  

[GINAFELICIA]

I think the Jacksons are great people but to be very honest I truly really care only about Michael.... and about his parents I think.

[BeTheChange]

@peacock: Although I agree on many of your points, I get the feeling you didn't really get TS' post. Please point out where he is saying that the Jacksons are still controlled or have plotted to murder Mike? Where is he disrespectful to any of them? All I see is full support and an attempt to make people see why their situation is no picnic at the moment. Yes this is a movie, I have said so since day 1 to be specific, but even though entertaining and funny as hell at times, this is serious shit. Part of this hoax IS to bring some evil people down, otherwise he could never have pulled this off with help of the FBI.

I am going to comment on TS' post in a later post, just wanted to mention this. TS is not dissing anyone, I think you jumped to conclusions too fast.  

I agree with Souza on this...and like Souza, I'm going to comment later when I can (I'm in the process of making seafood risotto and sipping on some vino  michael-jackson/ ...Mike, you have a standing invite   ).  I will say, though, that this post from TS has turned this 'hoax' onto a whole new level...stratospheric level (even though I know we're still on level 5).  And I can't help but wonder, after reading some of the comments, if Mike (and/or TS)...is sitting back and shaking his head.  I think we're SO conditioned to NOT see the bigger picture, we keep getting bogged down in the 'small stuff'.  I truly wonder how Mike feels when he reads some of the posts on here...and I fear that we are not living up to what he imagined we'd be, nor are we 'getting' it.  

I think it's time to THINK BIG...because if it ain't BIG, then MJ wouldn't have bothered with it.

With L.O.V.E. always.

[PureLove]

Although I agree on many of your points, I get the feeling you didn't really get TS' post. Please point out where he is saying that the Jacksons are still controlled or have plotted to murder Mike? Where is he disrespectful to any of them? All I see is full support and an attempt to make people see why their situation is no picnic at the moment. Yes this is a movie, I have said so since day 1 to be specific, but even though entertaining and funny as hell at times, this is serious shit. Part of this hoax IS to bring some evil people down, otherwise he could never have pulled this off with help of the FBI.

I am going to comment on TS' post in a later post, just wanted to mention this. TS is not dissing anyone, I think you jumped to conclusions too fast. 

You definitely have a big patience Souza. I want to congrat you for that. And TS has prophet's patience for sure. :lol: I wish I was like you too. I seriously want to hit my head on the wall after I read some of the posts here. TS explained everything so clearly. My english is not that good but even I understood every each of his posts very well. Why is it so hard for some to get it? Why is it so hard to understand the reasons of the hoax? Why is it important TS used "TS" instead of "I"? It's because he doesn't like to say: "I told you this before". He is so kind and doesn't want to look like an arrogant person. He doesn't want to sound like "I knew it, I told you" etc. Why is it so hard to get this? After all of the info he has given, why people still try to find an excuse not to believe TS and what he says? I want to scream so loud sometimes but I will be keeping it to myself again and again. I'm tired of explaining things because noone cares about what others are saying. They keep on saying the same thing in their minds. They read but do not learn and understand a thing. Pffffff ...

[GINAFELICIA]

People here are smart, I give them a lot of credit.

Maybe the goals are not clear enough and that's not people's fault.
...going to get some sleep....
Michael I hope you are OK, wherever you are. I love you more.

[VeryLittleSusie]

I'm gonna risk a theory that this whole murder-mystery plot here is also a part of the hoax/ARG...
I do not question that the there were threats against Michael in the past but I think [s:8dhl8u87]hope[/s:8dhl8u87] it is not the case now... I mean, those murder-plot threads here are used just for pure entertainment.

God, I hope I'm not wrong because otherwise...  afraid/


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[fordtocarr]

[font=cursive:337xzvui]Isn't the whole point of this site...TO INVESTIGATE? 
By presenting differing opinions and investigating we either discard or accept theories. 
There is NO actual proof of what is accurate until we have it from Michael.
I think that TS is challenging us to FIND theories, investigate them and then if possible, debunk them. 
We, along the way, get rid of ones that are not feasible.
Those ones thrown away, in the end could be the correct one. 
WHO knows?
But, ultimately, I think TS is presenting theories, situations, to make us reaffirm our belief in the hoax, or not if you chose to not believe that, so as when the trial comes, or again, not...we are not swayed in our belief, or hurt.
I think it does NO good to condemn or make others feel that what they believe or have investigated is not correct because it's different in what you chose to believe or have "proven" to yourself or has had someone tell you it is correct.
We are here to investigate.  I believe Michael is alive.  So do you.
I feel I have my answer.  I think you mostly do also...or perhaps you are still searching...but, who is any of us to say WE are the correct one?
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[fordtocarr]

I'm gonna risk a theory that this whole murder-mystery plot here is also a part of the hoax/ARG...
I do not question that the there were threats against Michael in the past but I think [s:cvk3u8s6]hope[/s:cvk3u8s6] it is not the case now... I mean, those murder-plot threads here are used just for pure entertainment.

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"I" think you are correct.  I think it is all part of the ultimate show...the Greatest Show On Earth, brought to you courtesy from Michael Jackson.  It brings the mystery, the intrigue..the entertainment.  BUT, I do think that the plot of it is geared to get back at those who wanted and about KILLED him.  Actually, killed his soul. 
It will expose them, gain retribution.  Give him back his name, finances (although we know he actually was fine on that, he did lose a lot of money from Sony not promoting a couple of his albums) and expose those who tried to end his messages.

[PureLove]

It's been 2 years! We all should have understood the reasons of the hoax till now and started to spread the truth, especially about the evil parts. But we are still talking if TS is a fake or if Michael did the hoax just for movie or to save his life, which one. It is maybe because I've been here from the beginning and I read a lot, I don't know. But seriously it depresses me to see that we still keep on discussing the same issues for the last 2 years! Don't you feel like we should get to the next step? I for myself can say that I am sure about the reasons of the hoax because everything is day light clear. It is up to you to get it or not. I wish everyone could get it and we moved to the next step. Seeing people running in circles is so painful.

[applehead250609]

I don't know if this has been posted on another thread but about two weeks ago somebody (can't remember who) wrote a brief summary of LaToya's book. It might help for those who have not read the book (including me).

[glow=red:35qbc4p7]WARNING:[/glow:35qbc4p7] It a long post!  <!-- styping/ -->typing/<!-- styping/ -->  Glad to see you TS!  <!-- sbeerchug -->beerchug<!-- sbeerchug -->

Prologue

 - She didn’t want to write her first book , Jack Gordon made her do it.

- Jack Gordon controlled her for a decade.

- 2003 interview with Larry King made her want to help other women in the same situation.

- 2007/2008 she decides to write the book she wants to tell her family first so that they don’t get the wrong idea. Before she can Michael calls Katherine and says to her that Randy told her that Latoya was writing a book and Katherine says to Michael not to believe Randy.

 Chapter 1: He's Going to Kill You

 - 1993 incident of Gordon beating her.

- She says Michael knew Gordon was dangerous through Dileo and few years ago warned her that he’s going to kill her.

- She says Michael was frightened of Gordon.

 Chapter 2: I Wish I Could Have Your Life

 - Talks about how no one from outside knew or saw the abuse she received

- Talks about meeting Jack Gordon

- She talks about her JW raising made her trusting people

- Insert Michael going door to door as JW

- Talks about how Gordon started to work for Joe, how she wanted to be independent and leave Joe’s management and how Gordon became her manager.

 Chapter 3: Illusions of Freedom

 - She calls Joe a good starter manager.

- 1987 trip to Japan was Gordon her manager.

- Gordon takes her passport and controls her.

- Insert Michael she says that she believed Michael went through the same things as her and became a victim as wolves targeted and exploited him. Again effects of religious beliefs mentioned.

 Chapter 4: A Smile for the Public

 - Talks about mind games that Gordon was playing with her such as beating her ant hen saying that he didn’t beat her.

- Believes that Gordon gave her mind-altering drugs

- Blames her live performances on Gordon because he didn’t let her practice on them as he was afraid that she would talk yo other people and tell them what was happening.

 Chapter 5: A Brave Voice Silenced

- Talks about how she tried to tell other people what happened

- She told Gordon beating her to Amir Bayyan from Kool and the Gang, he came to her hotel room with some guys to take her, she didn’t go.

- She told to a TV personality who didn’t believe her and told to Gordon what she said

- Tito confronted Gordon.

 Chapter 6: The Man Behind the Monster

 - Gordon’s background was in brothels , born in one and owned several of them later on

- Talks about his business deals and her beliefs that he had ties to mobs (later says there was no evidence of such)

- FBI interviews her some time later about this mob ties and tell her that they had been smuggling diamonds and drugs using her to bypass airport security

 Chapter 7: Torn from the Nest

- Talks about how Gordon distances her from her family

- Mentions Katherine’s suspicions

- Gordon badmouths Katherine calling her “not saint”, bad mouths Michael calling him “nothing”.

- Latoya talks about Michael “closest thing to God”, “unique”, “had incredible gift”, “perfect instincts” had “sensitivity and compassion”.

- Insert story of buying Neverland

- 1987 Michael is able to get a call through her although Gordon limited their communication for her to come and be in TWYMMF video. Says she was supposed to be the lead girl in video but Katherine said it was inappropriate for her to be Michael’s love interest again. Oh and apparently she was to be the lead girl in Thriller video and again it was vetoed by Katherine.

- Compares Dileo to Gordon and their controlling style of management. reportedly Dileo said “ All I have to do is wind Michael up, point him in the direction I want him to go and he does it”.

- 1988 Donald Trump wants to do shows with Michael in Atlantic city, asks for Gordon and Latoya to broker the deal. Gordon forced her to get Michael to commit, Michael would say he’d do it but phone line goes dead. Dileo calls and says he’s not doing the shows. Dileo poisoned Michael against Gordon.

- Mentions Michael was also being isolated from family, says that Bill Bray was keeping people away and says she doesn’t believe it was Michael’s wish , she says Dileo was doing it.

-1992 Hannover, she goes to meet with Michael and Katherine. Gordon goes to convince Michael of Atlantic city deal. “Even though my brother weighted almost nothing, he danced with such energy”

- She can’t bring herself telling Michael about abuse.

- Gordon makes her ask Michael about Atlantic city shows , Michael gives a vague answer about competing egos. Few weeks later Michael calls her and says Frank says that Gordon is tied to gangsters and even if one doesn’t get paid they would kill him. ( odd: a few pages before she mentions Dileo’s 89 firing , she doesn’t know the reason but says that Michael said her he didn’t trust Dileo the least bit )

- Then comes the phone call she mentioned in the beginning of the book that Michael said her to get away from Gordon or Gordon would kill her.

- Gordon convinces her that Katherine was trying to kill her.

 Chapter 8: Against My Will

 - Playboy photos hot

- Michael saw pictures while he was at Playboy mansion calls and says that they are great and Diana Ross also liked them

- Katherine and Jermaine was unhappy. Katherine said she wasn’t her daughter anymore. Marlon and Jackie had middle of the road opinions.

- With the increased publicity Gordon arranges for her first book deal.

  Chapter 9: In Name Only

 - Gordon forcing her to marry him, she says the marriage was in name only as long as it lasted

 Chapter 10: I Own You

 - He told her when they got married she can get an annulment in 6 months. This chapter talks about she’s asking for annulment and Gordon rejecting saying that he owns her.

- After the beating paparazzi gets the shot of her with bruised eyes.

- 1990 when Michael was in hospital with chest pains Gordon sent him black roses with Latoya’s name.

 Chapter 11: A Family Further Divided

 - 1991 Her book gets published and she’s performing in Paris. Gordon is having relationship with prostitutes.

- Jermaine and Farrakhan’s son visits Latoya she doesn’t tell them anything.

- Gordon breaks the deal with Moulin Rouge, declares her bankrupt so that they don’t have to pay back to the cabaret.

- Gordon keeps the news of her grandmother dying.

 Chapter 12: The Puppet Master at Work

 - 1993 Gordon allows Latoya to watch TV to see the criminal investigation against Michael.

- Gordon says “They are taking him down now. I knew they would. I just didn’t know when”. Later on phone he says “You guys did it”.

- Latoya asks to go on TV to protect Michael, Gordon says that he’ll arrange it. They arrive in Israel, media waiting for her. Gordon gives he a piece of paper and says “read it”.

- She says if she didn’t read it she believed that Gordon’s mob friends would kill Michael.

- She also mentions how Joe though them to do whatever they did with enthusiasm and energy and she didn’t show any emotion because she was afraid that Gordon would hurt her.

- Gordon says to media there had been 2 kidnapping attempts on Latoya financed by Michael. She says Gordon tried to extort money from Michael & his handlers saying that he would say such thing if they didn’t pay him.

- According to Latoya 1993 Bert Fields – Michael’s lead attorney- brings Weitzman who brings in Dileo and Branca to work on the case and Gordon was secretly meeting them. Latoya says it was Branca’s idea to settle in 1993. Latoya blames this to Branca’s firm also representing Sony and that Sony was desperate to get their hands on Michael’s catalog.

- She learns Michael’s admittance of drug dependency and checking into rehab later. She says that Michael saw her press-conference with Elizabeth Taylor when he was in rehab.

 Chapter 13: Living in Hell

 - She says that she didn’t know her family’s attempts to reach to her and save her.

- She says Gordon damaged her reputation.

- Talks about Psychic Friends Network and Playboy video

- She starts to disobey Gordon. She does an interview without him knowing and keeps the money. She went to shopping without telling Gordon. She starts copying contact information from Gordon’s Rolodex.

 Chapter 14: The Beginning of the End

 - 1996 Latoya is thinking about leaving Gordon. Tells about how she got a Bible, tells about how she saved the money but lost it. Gordon solicited Mike Tyson to have sex with her etc.

- She says at this time Gordon wanted her to do strip shows at a club he would call “The Jackson’s Strip Club” in Florida. She refuses.

- Gordon tells her that she will do pornography (sex with 4 men for $15M), that’s the straw.

- He says if she’s not doing it he’ll get Brandi – Jackie’s daughter. Latoya says he was trying to go after her before, trying to bring her to Paris to be a model

- She asks for her passport and gets it after a fight. ( Note: I can’t understand this request, she was in New York at the time)

 Chapter 15: Risking It All

 - She’s trying to find the right time to escape

- May 3 1996 when Gordon is taking a shower she calls Randy. Randy gets Katherine and Joe in a conference call. Joe tells Randy to go to New york and bring Latoya home.

- Randy comes (with their cousin Tony) and Latoya leaves with only her bible, passport and DAT tape that had all of the music for her live show

 Chapter 16: Free at Last, Free at Last

 - NY to LA plane gets rerouted to Las Vegas. She talks about plane landing and making it out the airport.

- Insert memories of Jackson variety show

- Her house in Las Vegas later turns out to be in Gordon’s name.

 Chapter 17: Baby Steps

 - Katherine tells her to come to Hayvenhurst but Latoya can’t because she still believes that what Gordon told her that Katherine wants to kill her.

- Randy says they would take her to a doctor to file a report of abuse, get a restraining order and file for divorce.

- Gordon controlled all her money and assets etc. She only had $27,000

- Gordon calls her says that he loves her, he’s sorry, he won’t hit her again, asks her to come back and says he will give her all her money and accounts.

- She couldn’t find a lawyer to take her divorce case because of Gordon’s connections. Jermaine recommends her a “great attorney” he knows: Brian Oxman.

- After the divorce case starts she starts getting threatening calls from Gordon.

 Chapter 18: Starting Over

 - Her experiences makes her understand manipulation and abuse in Michael’ life.

- She had no contact with people from outside world (except for the food delivery people) and only Gordon called her.

- Talks about how she had to do everything herself and adds their life in Gary and the changes in their life once Jackson 5 become famous.

- She left her condo a year and half later she left Gordon to attend a family get together after Jackie’s wife died.

- She says she kept her distance from her family because she wanted to protect them from Gordon and she wanted to stand on her own.

- Insert positive opinions about Joe, his strength, skills and work ethic he taught them. she changed her opinion about Joe, says Michael changed his opinion later on too. Michael said he wished he had more of Joseph's strength in him.

- She says Joseph spanked them but it was the norm at the time they grew up.

- She believes if Michael was co-managed by Joseph he would still be alive.

 Chapter 19: A Family Reunion and a Face-Off in Court

 - Jackson family comes to support Latoya in her divorce case against Gordon. It was the first time she was seeing her family in years. Michael was doing History tour wasn’t there and she hadn’t yet seen him.

- Says that Gordon picked a judge he wanted , made her family leave the courtroom.

- Gordon lies about her saying that she was a sleaze (as she did Playboy), said she hid money, made her take drug and psychological tests.

- She gets divorced in 1998 by only getting the Las Vegas condo, Gordon gets everything else, and doesn’t pay her the $350,000 he’s ordered to pay.

 Chapter 20: Rebuilding a Life

 - Gordon leaves her with debt, unpaid taxes etc.

- Finds out that Gordon still arranger performances in her name and took the advances so she faced with lawsuits and more debts.

- This also caused her not to be able to book any more appearances.

- Talks about Oxman telling her to stay in bankruptcy and how she wasn’t able to buy a house or a car.

 Chapter 21: Learning to Trust Again

 - Talks about how she no longer wanted to be in the music business but wanted to be like a manager etc. says she no longer wanted to work in America, her goal was to work in Paris and London.

- Gets another bad legal advice and her bankruptcy is extended another 7 years , so she wasn’t able to get her royalties longer. She says she got back her royalties in April 2011.

- She meets Jeffre Phillips who is a friend of Jermaine. They form Ja-Tail (Just another timely adventure in life) Films in 1999.

- Jeffre worked with Michael when he did the marketing for Sony in 80s.

 Chapter 22: Free the World

 - 2001 World Trade Center attack

- She says Michael was supposed to attend a meeting at 9:00AM at the top of World Trade Center on September 11 but he didn’t go because he was so tired. If he went he would have died in the attack.

- The family leaves with tour busses.

- Latoya writes a song “free the world”, she records it, the reactions were positive.

- That’s what made her return too music and start recording Starting Over.

- 2002 they try to get a record deal but hear stuff like “she has no talent”, “she can’t sing and dance” etc. They couldn’t get a deal. They go to radios to play a song so that it would become popular and that they would get a record deal, radios refuse to play the songs.

- She says she had to put aside the album with the events about Michael surfaced.

 Chapter 23: A Dirty Business

 - She reconnected with Michael in 2002. (Note: That’s quite some time, the latest conversation she mentioned with Michael was in 1992 - unless she omitted stuff).

- She lists through what happened in regards to Michael between the time she left Gordon (1996) and when they reconnected (2002).

- She talked about Michael with Katherine. She met Paris in 1998 (but not Michael).

- Talks about Michael’s parenting. kids only watched educational TV programming, they weren’t allowed to watch news accounts about Michael. Michael never told her why he limited their access to outside world. She assumes it was to give them normal life and made them know him as only their father and not superstar.

- She says she was worried if such secluded upbringing made them vulnerable.

- Michael also limited the music the kids listened. At that time Paris was only allowed to listen to “Butterflies”.

- Latoya again says she had no direct contact with Michael at this time.

- Mentions Michael’s troubles with Sony and catalog. Says Michael fired Branca in 1990 after Geffen told him Branca had to much control.

- 1995 Branca urges Michael to merge ATV with Sony. She says this partnership became problematic as Michael was an artist first and businessman second and he wasn’t motivated for a quest for profit.

- Talks about Michael’s masters and how they would not revert to Michael till 2009 and she says she doesn’t know if Michael got them or Sony kept them. (Note: Estate got them back).

- Says Michael had no concept of money.

- Talks about Sony, Invincible, promotion issues. Says Sony purposely sabotaged the album so that it wouldn’t sell so that he would be forced to sell his half of catalog.

- She watches Michael’s press conference on TV about Sony and says that he wore a bulletproof vest at that conference. (Note: they haven’t reconnected yet).

 Chapter 24: Family Reunion

 - 2002 Latoya is called to a family meeting, Michael was using prescription painkillers and family believed it was getting out of control.

- She says Michael wouldn’t taken prescription drugs on his own and he was given it by a doctor after he fell off the stage and injured himself when touring with Jacksons. He forms a dependency but gets cleaned in 1993 by going to rehab.

- She says chronic injuries from lifetime performing and stress again turned him to painkillers and he again had dependency issues by 2002.

- Family decided to confront Michael and do an intervention. She says she hadn’t seen Michael for a decade and this intervention would be the first time she would see him.

- Family goes to Neverland, security doesn’t let them in, they jump the gate. Tito enters into the house through an open window and opens the doors for the rest.

- Michael sees them and acts like he didn’t know that they were at the house. Latoya says she doesn’t know if it was a simple miscommunication or someone wanted to keep them out.

- Michael send Prince and Paris with the nanny and then goes into Blanket’s room (who was 3 months at the time) to attend to him. They have a meeting in Blanket’s room.

- Michael refuses to see the doctors ( a physician and psychiatrist) and says there was nothing wrong with him. Latoya says he was fine, alert and relaxed, looked good physically and happy with his kids. After several hours he convinces them that he was good. Family plans to take turns staying with Michael at Neverland for next few weeks but they weren’t able to follow their plan. She says it took Michael several years before he got the help he needed.

- In this meeting Michael also talks about the people in business. He reportedly says “ Certain people in this business are no good. They take things from you, they rob you. don’t ever trust them”. “LaToya you can’t trust them, they are no good, they don’t really care about us” “ They just want to get everything they can out of you and milk you and use you and toss you away at the ened of the day”.

- Next time she saws Michael is news report about Berlin Balcony incident.

- Talks about how fans called “Let’s see the new one” and Michael wanted to please them and he had a good grip.

 Chapter 25: The Quiet Before the Storm

 - 2003 Latoya does Larry King Live show.

- She receives quite an attention due to the show. She forms Ja-Tail Records and signs a distribution deal.

- 2003 Family day with Hawaiian theme and everyone dressed accordingly (except Michael and his kids). This is the first time since intervention in Neverland she saw Michael.

- April 2003 she runs into Michael shopping at Beverly Hills, she goes in to talk to Michael. They leave all together with Michael’s children wearing Spiderman masks. She says the children understood the need for the masks and loved them, it was like playing dress-up everyday.

- Michael says he can’t go and have dinner with them as he was going to studio, drops them by their car, Layoya gives Paris a pink rabbit as a present.

- June 2003 she would be presenting an award at BET awards. Producers ask her help to get Michael to give an award to James Brown. Then they get him on their own as apparently Michael didn’t know Latoya was a presenter until she went into his dressing room.

- Backstage Michael getting ready. Michael called perfume “smell”, they were together for 30 minutes, they took a picture together. Michael goes on stage. They spend another 30 minutes in the dressing room with James Brown, his wife etc.

- Michael takes Latoya into a closet and tells her that he misses her, he loves her and that he’s glad that he got to see her.

 Chapter 26: The Conspiracy is Revealed

 - 2003 Joseph calls her to say that Neverland is being raided.

- No one in the family knew where Michael was. They later find out he was in Las Vegas and they went to his hotel.

- They find Michael all dressed up for video shot but visibly upset in a wrecked suite. Paris tells Katherine that Michael broke the lamp, threw the food and turned over the statue. Apparently when Michael got the call from Neverland security about the raid, he got very angry.

- Michael says to Latoya “I didn’t do anything. I promise you. I’m being framed. All of this is a setup. you gotta believe me”.

- Michael also mentions that he is even afraid to walk around his own yard because he was afraid that he would be killed. He says he knows who’s behind the framing of him. Latoya asks who, Michel says “ they want my catalog, they want my publishing, they’ll do whatever it takes to get it. they are going to kill me. I hate my life. I don’t even want the catalog anymore”

 Chapter 27: Facing Down Allegations as a Family

 - Little funny story about how Paris will wave to paparazzi to be friendly.

- Mirage asks Michael leave the hotel due to press disturbing other guests at the hotel.

- Michael has reservations about surrendering to the police.

- She released her single Just Wanna Dance under her nickname Toy tops the charts at 19.

- Michael’s trial starts and she again thinks its not appropriate time to release the album.

 Chapter 28: The Final Days of Neverland

 - Michael mentions Latoya “when this trial is over. I’m never ever coming back to Neverland again. they invaded my privacy. They ruined my entire life. I hate this place. I can’t stand it. I never want to see it again. Never. I’ll never come back here”.

- Says Michael was adamant when he made a decision.

- Describes Neverland, animals, trains. movie theater, children coming to visit. Dreamworks stealing Neverland logo.

- Says after the raid Michael stayed at one of the bungalows. Family stayed with him at Neverland during prelim and trial.

- Mentions “field trips” of Michael’s kids around the property to the “beach” (a pool of water with white sand around it) and to library.

 Chapter 29: The Trial of a Lifetime

 - 2004 start of preliminary this is the first time Latoya had the chance to sit down and talk with Michael one on one for the first time in more than a decade.

- Michael says she doesn’t have to say anything, he knows her heart and that he knew Gordon made her do those things. She says Michael had forgiven her long ago and didn’t want to discuss it further.

- She says that she later realized that Michael also had manipulators and understood what she went through very well and that made him forgive her so easily.

- Says that Michael hid his fears from his children keeping upbeat and smiling around them.

- Jumping on the roof of SUV to please fans , being misunderstood.

- August 2004 family get together for Michael’s birthday. First time Latoya saw Michael since pretrial in January. Michael calls Joe to sit next to him, Latoya says Joe was a special force of power for Michael and Michael felt Joe protected him.

- Again Latoya holds her album.

- January 2005 trial starts. Family returns to Neverland. She says dressing all white was her idea.

- Mentions Michael had made peace with Joe.

- Says Michael was in despair, he didn’t want to eat or take care of himself. They pleaded with him to at least take vitamins. She says most of the time Michael stayed in his bungalow alone.

- Prince of Bahrain during trial says to Michael he can always stay there to rest and get away from everything.

- Gordon dies from cancer on 2005.

- Verdict day. Michael nervous, says that he’s leaving US and never coming back.

- says Michael have been wearing bulletproof vest since 2001 (when we went head to head with Sony / Mottola). Before trial Michael reportedly said “If I get off, I’m going to be assassinated”.

- says that Michael was a zombie after he heard the verdict, drained, distant. She says that the experience marked him and he believe that he would be assassinated that day.

- She says that the trial had made grave damage to him, a crack formed in his spirit, she says he lost his will to fight, and he was like he was lost.

- Michael leaves US as soon as he gets his passport back from court and lives like a vagabond for 1.5 years.

- Mention of Fox news, again Michael’s catalog.

- Latoya says that during the time Michael was gone, he distanced himself from everyone in the family and no one spoke to him.

- says Michael didn’t want to perform anymore, afraid that he would be assassinated on stage and wanted to produce and direct movies with Peter Jackson.

 Chapter 30: A New Lease on Life

 - Latoya says that whenever she saw footage of Michael on TV after the trial she tried to examine it to understand his health, mental stage, emotional well-being etc.

- She also says that she started to investigate the conspiracy Michael told her in Mirage (the day Neverland raided).

- She throws herself back to her career. reworking on her album, Armed and Famous show (most of the chapter is about that), Celebrity Big Brother

- She says that the skills she learned at that show as she looked for clues as to who killed Michael.

 Chapter 31: The Final Days

Mid 2006. Michael fires most of his staff including at Neverland and closes down the main house.

- Grace was acting his manager and this worried Latoya as the wrong person can have the power to destroy him in such vulnerable state.

- December 2006 James Brown dies, Michael comes to US.

- Latoya wasn’t united with Michael but heard about him through Katherine.

- Jermaine introduced Michael to Tohme who later revealed to have a troubled past.

- says Tohme was like Gordon , isolated and controlled Michael. Says Tohme kept family away from Michael.

- enter Leonard Rowe. January 2009 a concert promoter offers $15M for one show (Allgood concert) flies to LA to talk to Michael.

- Latoya repeats Leonard Rowe’s book Tohme doesn’t meet with him for a while. Tohme says Michael cannot do it because he was doing negotiations for a $300M deal (AEG TII deal).

- says AEG was paying Tohme $100,000 monthly salary and he was therefore biased.

- claims Phillips got Michael to rehire Dileo.

- in a moment of clarity in March 2009, Michael asks Leonard Rowe to take over as his business manager.

- Reportedly Michael said he didn’t know what he signed because their attorney drew up the contract, he agreed to 10 shows and not 50 shows.

- April 2009 , Michael meets with Leonard Rowe who brought Joe with him. Latoya says that Joe hadn’t seen Michael for 3 years. Payment in dollars versus pounds and scalping of tickets is discussed.

- April 2009 Julien’s Auctions of Michael’s items. Michael didn’t know it, Katherine told him about it. Michael says everything was being put in storage, Tohme says it was storage agreement.

- Mentions the Michael’s confiding in June Gatlin (she heard it at Today show)

- Mid May meeting with Phillips. Katherine, Joe, Leonard Rowe and Michael present. Joe and Leonard stood up to Randy Phillips. Joe gets up starts shouting I will not let you steal from my son. Michael began laughing. She says it was because Michael was happy his father was there to protect him from vultures.

- She says Leonard told her that Michael was at times animated at the meeting but also seemed like he didn’t care about details, he wasn’t acting perfectionist and Leonard felt like Michael knew for one reason or another he would never perform those concerts.

- Leonard pushed out, replaced by Dileo.

- Leonard couldn’t intervene about Michael’s health and and in regards to his painkiller dependency.

- Latoya heard all these through Joe.

- Latoya spent time with Michael for the first time in May 14, 2009 since his 2005 trial. that’s also the last time she sees him.

- Latoya says he was excruciatingly thing.

- She asks over and over if he was fine, Michael says he was fine and the rehearsals were going good.

  Chapter 32: The Worst Day of My Life

 - Joe calls her, tells her to get to Michael’s house saying that a fan told him he was sick.

- She calls Jeffre , he says that Michael is doing it to get out of the shows. “Michael is known to have fake illness and injury.. “

- Joe calls again and says there’s an ambulance, tells her to go to hospital instead.

- Latoya calls Trent , Katherine’s assistant, they are on their way to the hospital. Katherine tells her Michael is dead.

- She arrives hospital, a nurse tells her Michael isn’t dead.

- She goes to the room where Katherine is with Prince, Paris and Blanket on her lap. The kids are screaming and crying. Dileo is in the room. Trent tells her Michael is gone and Katherine again tells her that Michael is dead.

 Chapter 33: Trying to Make Sense of the Tragedy

 - She says she immediately thought “who killed Michael?” and not “how did he die?”. in the last 3 chapters Latoya constantly goes back to 2003 when Michael said he would be murdered for his catalog.

- Children want to go see Michael.

- Paris screams Murray is the best multiple times and says she doesn’t know what happened. She says she wants to die and be with her daddy.

- Paris says Michael was always cold, freezing. He would sit by the fireplace and fall asleep there. Paris says Michael always cried and they (the kids) watched to make sure everything was fine. Paris says Michael was freezing and needed a doctor and then turned the lights and they were in the dark. Latoya asks they turned the lights out? Paris says yes and they cut the phones off.

- Paris says Michael told her to be strong and said to her she would have to take care of Prince and Blanket if something happens to him. He told her that she would have to be the mother.

- Latoya asks when Michael said this. Paris says last night before Michael went to rehearsal She was arguing with Prince and Michael said her to stop fighting with her brother and “I’m not always going to be here and you are going to have to be the lady and watch over them”.

- The children wants to see Michael, 2 nurses take them to the room Michael was says it would be therapeutic for them.

- She says Michael was skinny (skin and bones) but looked peaceful as if he was sleeping.

- Kids talked to their dad, left the room calm. Saying good-bye helped them.

- Latoya goes to find Dr. Murray. She couldn’t learn anything from him. He gave her excuses.

- Kathy Hilton comes to the hospital with her sister. Latoya takes them to see Michael. Kathy Hilton tells her to collect everything she see that Michael written down.

 Chapter 34: The Investigation Intensifies

 - Michael Amir calls Latoya to say that Tohme fired all security and asks her to come to the house. Michael Amir vowed to not leave the house until someone from the family came.

- Police had been in the house all day. Jacksons wasn’t allowed inside the house until detectives said it was okay.

- 11:30 Latoya, Jeffre, Randy and Ron Boyd (family friend police officer) arrive to Carolwood.

- 12:00 Katherine and Trent came. Later Janet came.

- Michael Amir lets them in.

- Latoya says the house was hot, asks Michael Amir he says Michael kept the heat on because he was freezing. Latoya brain thinking: is it because Michael was freezing or is it to give a different time of death?

- Michael Amir tells them what happened. Leads them into Murray’s room (the room Michael died in). Michael Amir says he didn’t saw anything suspicious last night.

- Latoya searches the room with her eyes as she’s trained as a police officer. Outside the door what looked like Michael’s last meal on top of a dresser (soup and crumbs from a sandwich), pajama top on the floor(paramedics cut it off when trying to save Michael, IV stand on the foot of bed, 3 oxygen tanks in the corner.

- She asks if there was cameras in the room. There wasn’t. Remembers back to 2003 Mirage and Michael saying he would be killed for his catalog.

- Michael Amir then shows them Michael’s actual bedroom. Room was a wreck, torn to pieces, clothes on the floor, dressers turned over etc. Latoya asks if it was always like this. Michael Amir says he doesn’t know because Michael didn’t allow anyone in that room. Latoya brain thinking : this is too messy to be police doing, who did this what they were looking for? suspects people were in there for cash and jewelry Michael kept.

- Remembers what Kathy Hilton said. Says that Michael was a compulsive note taker. so she finds post it notes in Michael’s actual bedroom.

- Notes said

---- I hate John Branca

---- John Branca stole lots of money from me and continuously double & triple billed me

---- I hate Tohme Tohme

---- Randy Phillips & Dr. Tohme are not flying with me. No! No! No! Ever !

---- Call Joseph

---- Get Joseph’s help to get these people out of my life.

---- I don’t want Frank Dileo back in my life.

---- I only agreed to 10 shows

---- Tell Tohme Tohme to give me back my cars

---- AEG is pressuring me to go see Dr.David H. Slavit for a physical.

- Latoya says they reviewed hundreds of notes and learned about whom Micheal feared. Later she says they got a letter from Estate asking them to return anything they might have taken from the house.

- She says they weren’t even able to organize Michael’s possessions and set aside any keepsakes for the children and doesn’t know where those items are now.

 Chapter 35: A Family Loss.

 - family disagreements about memorial. Ideas about doing it at Washington monument and Los Angeles Coliseum.

- AEG offers Staples center + Nokia theater.

- Latoya says AEG made money off memorial by charging media for box seats, news trucks parking, concession stands and licensing of the broadcasting of the memorial.

- Latoya wanted Michael to be brought by a procession of gilded horse drawn carriages, fanfare of horns, carried between rows of uniformed guards and an announcer saying “please rise for the king”. She wanted an open casket.

- Katherine vetoed anything showy and wanted a closed casket and relatively simple service.

- Private viewing before the memorial. Paris attends with Latoya, Randy and Rebbie. Puts the necklace on his wrist, places 2 colored stones on his chest.

- mentions Paris speech at memorial and how it humanized Michael.

- most of the brothers wanted to bury Michael at Neverland. Latoya fights against it. Finally they settle on Forest Lawn. She says mausoleum was selected due to it’s beauty and security (to protect Michael’s body).

 Chapter 36: Inside the Conspiracy

- says AEG offered the brothers to take over Michael’s dates at O2. Latoya says that she though this was a cover up and didn’t want them to focus on Michael’s death.

- finds it odd that AEG didn’t express concern over Michael’s death and seemed like they stood to make more money with Michael dead then alive.

- Latoya says 100 hours wasn’t all Michael. AEG only recorded last 3 rehearsals.

- questions why they worked with Sony rather than their own Regal Entertainment group. she says why bring Sony in unless a larger deal was in the offing perhaps involving Michael’s catalog. (Hello! This is it soundtrack and release of TII as DVD and Blu-ray).

- Jeffree who did the show and people who worked with Michael said to her that Michael never did complete run-through of any song. So she says Michael wasn’t well and could not have done those shows and AEG should have known that Michael wasn’t well.

- complains that Michael didn’t receive producer credit but the people he hated and fired before did.

- asks who called the tour “this is it?”, calls it a sick joke.

- says many people didn’t offer condolences to the family

- lists the projects and the money earned and says that Estate should have paid the debt quickly.

- some Jackson family members didn’t want to launch an investigation into Michael’s death. Latoya says she can’t let it go.

- Latoya says that she believes Michael would have wanted his mother to be the executor.

- says in July Branca and Joel Katz came with Michael’s will and they knew nothing about the will before.

- Latoya says they wanted a family member be on the board of Michael’s Estate. Executors didn’t agree with this.

 

Chapter 37: A Legend is Laid to Rest

 

- Latoya says she saw Michael’s body 9-10 times between memorial and funeral, talking to him, checking to see if his body was still there (she was worried that his body could be stolen)

- mentions Coroner’s office wanting to see Michael’s body again. They get hair samples and get palm print.

- talks about private memorial and burial.

- says that they got the stacked tombs on the side of the walls that the family members will eventually repose.

 Chapter 38: Eyewitness Accounts of a Cover-up

 - Leonard Rowe reached out to Latoya. Insert Leonard Rowe’s claims on his book here.

- Joe told her that he tried to see Michael at the last weeks but security didn’t let him in the house.

- She learned that Michael said Prince and Paris to call Granpa and he’ll know what to do and help him.

- She learned about Michael’s last night from the follower fans (TINI group), they say Michael didn’t do his usual talk with them when he left the house for rehearsals.

- mentions a meeting in Michael’s dressing room. Speculates to the maximum (I don’t know what’s said in that room but I believe..) saying them either the people realized he wouldn’t be able to do the shows or Michael told them he wouldn’t be doing the shows. Latoya says that she knows that Michael was threatening them not to show up for rehearsal and not do any shows until they cancel the 40 shows he didn’t agree to perform.

- After the meeting he goes on the stage to do 2 songs. (Note: why would he do that if he wasn’t going to do the shows?)

- Karen Faye’s talk with Dileo. Michael Bush saying Michael lost 15 pounds, a choreographer thought that he was too skinny. Latoya says Michael weighted 112 pounds and it’s incorrectly reported that he was 136 pounds.

- When he’s leaving the rehearsal Michael tells the fans “help me get out of here”.

- Again TINI people referenced with increased security “10 men lined up on both sides of gate”

- A fan walks up to her and says that the light in Michael’s room never went off that night (usually it was off in 20 minutes)

- talks about hearing Randy Phillips was at the house when Michael arrived, finds it odd that he was going to Michael’s house in the morning

- questions TII movie and how fast it was done , like it was already planned

- why Prince was called to help when there was adult staff in the house

- she concludes that she believes that Murray is the “fall guy for a much larger plot”

Chapter 39: Starting Over Again

 - Jeffre tells her that she needs to get on with her life. She starts making appearances.

- Says Katherine is strained and quickly fading away.

- says Estate hasn’t asked the kids if they wanted any keep-sakes from their father. and claims Estate have been auctioning of Michael’s stuff such as his furniture, memorabilia and his handwritten notes. she says she has been buying some items.

- Latoya says that Michael’s death divided the family and they do not support her in her fight. She hopes to repair relationships between them down the road.

Hello Yamb3003!!

Thank you for this,it was not posted ,someone posted just the link to this.
I want to say that to my believe this book contains half truths and half lies ,like all tis HOAX actually.I will try to say my opinion at some subjects from almost every chapter.I know TS... said to please keep this topic on Latoya's book.Here we go then.
First of all I want to say that I cried like a baby when I had read the dedication Latoya made to Michael.He really is special and we now this already.I don't thimk I ever heard someone say so many times I love you to people.In fact I never heard someone in my life.This is the way Michael is,he is never afraid to show his fillings,he was always so polite and open with people.Is  was not a surprise for me to hear that so many people he met,they all said he is the closest thing to divine.I think also,that Michael is one of many gifts from God to us.

Chapter 2:
-I noticed some strange things in the second chapter.How come Joseph had some bussiness with Gordon and what kind of bussioness, when we all now what kind of men he is  <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ?

Chapter 3:
-About passaport,you know I rememeber I saw on Tv in 2009,one bodyguard of Elizabeth Taylor said that some people who worked for Michael took him his passaport and keept him under control like an 10 years old child or something  <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> .

Chapter 7:
-I believe also Michael is a gift of Gos and he is unique.
- Was Bill Brayand Dielo keeping Michael away from family,mmmmm....?
-This are Latoya's words but I don't agree with her,sorry: “Even though my brother weighted almost nothing, he danced with such energy”

Chapter 12:
-Who of you here knew that is was Branca ideea to settle the 1993 case and how come Branca does nothing now that she clearly accusses him  <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->  <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ??
- I'm sorry but I don't believe a dam thing about Michael's drug problems.

Chapter 17:
- Latoys really believed her own mother would kill her,lol??
- Jermaine recomanded her Brian Oxman as "great attorney" for her divorce   <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->

Chapter 18:
- She believes if Michael was co-managed by Joseph he would still be alive <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->

Chapter 21:
- Has anybody ever heard about this Jeffre?  <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: --> ?

Chapter 22:
- 11 spetember 2001.I remember I had read some news in may about Michael's excape from the attacks together with Elizabeth Taylor and Maron Brando  <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> .

Chapter 23:
-If Branca was fired in 1990,how come he was involved in 1993 case  <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ??

Chapter 24:
-Again about painkillers medication.I don't know what to believe,but I remember what was my reaction when I first heard the "interview" with brett Ratner.Anway I don't think he would do this to his beautiful children.

Chapter 25:
-Bet awards,It's true,they meet there,Latoya has a picture with them in the begining of the book.And here is a video behind the scene in his dressing with James Brown.You know it's funny because Michael said even to James Brown also he will do movies   <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> !!!!!!!!!!

Michael Jackson Backstage w James Brown 27 June 2003 1 of 2
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Chapter 28:
- Dreamworks stealing Neverland logo??? How come nobody from Dreamwork does not say a dam thing to Latoya?

Chapter 29:
-Again Latoys say Michael was manipulated,but then what Lisa said to us on interview with Oprah? She clearly said he was the one who manipulated the rest.

Chapter 31:- this part is really confusing
-Jermaine introduced Michael to Tohme who later revealed to have a troubled past.It seems that both Joseph and Jermaine are involved with fishy people,no  <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ??
- The part I like the most is this:
Mid May meeting with Phillips. Katherine, Joe, Leonard Rowe and Michael present. Joe and Leonard stood up to Randy Phillips. Joe gets up starts shouting I will not let you steal from my son. Michael began laughing. She says it was because Michael was happy his father was there to protect him from vultures.

Chapter 33:
-Michael was always skinny,lol."The Michael" we all knew ,he was always like this,remember?

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[attachment=0:35qbc4p7]<!-- ia0 -->chosen39April25BonnieLamrock4.JPG<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:35qbc4p7]-OOPS Did I said skinny?? sorry  <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->

Chapter 34:
-What Kathy Hilton says us very intresting,was Michael an compulsive not taker or no,becasue I rememeber very well some other notes not this,It ws something about children's smile  <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> .

Chapter 35:
-Latoya wanted an open casket    <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> ??

Chapter36:-
Latoya says 100 hours wasn’t all Michael,but we know this already,thanks  <!-- s:D --><!-- s:D --> 

LOVE

[Kristina4LOVE]

I had a VERY crazy day and you, TS, made it even crazier! I can't think straight right now, so i'll be back later.

P.S There is something about your post that creeps me out  suspicious//, something changed...

[MJsFan4Ever]

TS you are the BEST!  respect/  
bearhug
I'm absolutely sharing typing/ this with everybody I know specially my brother who doesn't believe MJ is ALIVE.
 party/

[~Souza~]

Okay, well I will try to give my take on this without having read the entire book. B&N did send me an email that it's shipped, but I am afraid it might take some time before it gets here. I might have more to add/change after I read the book in its entirety.

Let's start by saying that I do not and will never believe that this is not a hoax. Plus, I will also never believe that he has been murdered. It's not because I am close-minded, or because I would be too emotional to accept that, it is based on 2 years of research. Although I might be off on many things, I do know I am right, like most of us, about the main bits, one of them MJ being alive and kicking (ass). I do admit it's pretty hard to really provide proof for it, but I tested the proof I had with 2 people this week, to see how solid it was. Although they are not yet 100% convinced, I did turn the tide from being laughed at after statement 1 (MJ is not dead), to 'OMG, this is indeed too weird and I can seriously see him doing this" after talking for just 30 minutes. So I will try to see what I can do with what you gave us from the book.

We Should Investigate What Happened to Michael

There is a dedication page in the front of the book, and the very last sentence on that page says: “Let’s continue to support the King and find out what truly happened to him, and let’s keep his legacy alive.”  The book ends with a similar statement: “Everyone still has strong opinions about the estate, the people controlling it, and what happened to Michael.” (335).  Interesting that these statements use the wording “what (truly) happened to” Michael—instead of saying, who killed him.  Jermaine also used this same wording, in his one year anniversary interview with Larry King {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

“I wondered if my family would investigate [if La Toya had been killed], or if they would believe what they were told and never know the truth.” (9).  “But I quickly realized that I had to have an open mind, and I could not assign the blame to either party until I had heard the full story from both sides.” (266).  Here again, we see that La Toya is against being prejudice and in favor of investigating the truth—we should not merely believe what we are told.

“There is still so much to be learned and so much to be revealed. … I’m not done with my investigation for the truth yet; I’ve only scratched the surface. I will never give up until I unveil the truth and justice is served.” (331,333).  Does anyone remember TS saying that “everything covered so far has just been an introductory course” {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

Also, if MJ is really dead, then “justice” would certainly include justice for murder; but if he faked his death, there is still justice to be served: for attempting to kill him (on 9-11-2001 and other times); and for the false pedophile charges, etc.

"What happened to Michael" is a weird choice of words. La Toya has been screaming murder since the beginning, and indeed something like "who killed him" would have fit more, or at least something like "what caused his death". Things are not happening to you when you're dead. English is not my first language, but I think that in this case something like this is used the same in English as it is in Dutch. If someone would tell you that X has died, you ask "what happened?", and not "what happened to X?". Because what happened to X would be that he died, so that would be a rather stupid question. If La Toya's native language wasn't English I would understand she could use it like that, but that's not the case. So even though not proof, it's at least another thing to add to the never ending list of weirdness.

What is also interesting in my opinion, is that she says she only scratched the surface (although I tend to believe she is speaking for us, since she must know what's under it), and she also says that there is more to be revealed. If you are investigating something, you don't know for certain how much there is, you have no idea if you only scratched the surface or if you have uncovered most of it. Like us, we have no clue where we stand. Do we know just a little, do we know a lot? We have no idea if there is more to be revealed. So what I get from her words is that she knows exactly what is under that surface and how much more is to be revealed, and she is talking about those searching for the truth when she talks about 'just scratched the surface'. I might look too deep into that (which I know I tend to do on a lot of things), but that is what it says to me. Again no irrefutable proof, but merely an analyze of her wording.

The “Conspiracy” Is Much Bigger than Just a Few Executives

Speaking of the attempt to kill MJ on 9-11, here it is: “I later learned that Michael was supposed to attend a meeting at the top of the World Trade Center at 9:00 a.m. on September 11, but he was too tired, and the meeting was canceled. Had he gone, he would have died in the attack that day.” (186).

Wow!  What a coincidence!!!   :shock:    :shock:   Notice that the meeting was not only scheduled for the morning of the exact day (an afternoon meeting would not have killed him, because the towers would’ve come down already), but it was planned for the “top” of the building—which is the place least likely for survival.  For those who are not easily fooled by the “coincidence” excuse: this shows that the “conspiracy” against MJ was far bigger than just a few executives at Sony, and/or AEG, etc.  This was a major NWO power that knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance!  And by the way: TS said this very thing clear back in 2009 {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

In the 6-25-2011 thread, some have questioned my terminology using the word “Illuminatti”; but as I have stated before, I’m using the term loosely.  There is no need to quibble over the exact title of the people and organizations involved in the “conspiracy” against MJ (and the 9-11 conspiracy, etc); the concepts are what we are dealing with here, and the concepts have to do with secret societies and organized underground crime (especially ones working to promote the New World Order agenda, although some lower-level elements may not be aware of the NWO agenda at higher levels).

Now for a few quotes about Jack Gordon, who was La Toya’s very abusive manager.  “For almost a decade, Gordon controlled me with a campaign of brutalization and manipulation, beating me several times a week, threatening my life and the lives of my family members [including and especially MJ], and proving he had the mob ties to carry out his most violent promises.” (1).  “… he [MJ] knew that Gordon was linked to the Mafia, as apparently, were some of the men who were targeting him at this time.” (206).  “He [MJ] went on to tell me he believed it was a whole handful of scoundrels behind the plot, who were coming in for the kill. He was clearly terrified. [P] ‘You’ll see,’ he said. ‘It’s all about my publishing.’ [P] What he described made Gordon look like a small-time crook.” (227).

“Michael had an even greater fear than the possibility that he might be found guilty [in the 2005 trial]. He was wearing a bulletproof vest, a habit he had adopted since the time when he went head-to-head with Tommy Mottola of Sony in 2001, and again in 2002.” (252,253; see 200).

“But I was well aware of his assassination fears, and I’d been researching on my own to put together the puzzle pieces of the conspiracy he [MJ] had described.” (246).  “I began investigating the conspiracy Michael described to me … I was determined to find out all that I could so that together, Michael and I might be able to stop it.” (257,258).  Can anyone think of what MJ may have planned, to help fight against this conspiracy?  Did he do nothing whatsoever??  Or if he did do something, what was it—anything at all (other than planning a fake death, to draw major world attention to the conspiracy)

I am actually surprised to see that most people didn't know that he escaped death on 9/11. I knew that but I can't for the life of me recall how I know and where I heard or read that. Even though he was sick as a dog in that period, I am not too sure he really was too tired to go. To me there is a possibility that he might have known or at least felt that something could happen if he went. Maybe he was tipped by someone, I don't know, or maybe he had an army of angels on his shoulders. It would have been the perfect murder, no one would suspect a thing. I think I saw someone mentioning that they wouldn't blow up those buildings just to kill MJ. Although I think they wouldn't mind if it was really needed, that was not the case. They blew those buildings up to be able to take control over most of the world's population, and we know that is exactly what happened after that. It was just a convenient opportunity to have the man who preached against them, killed as well in a way no one would ever question. It would just be a tragic coincidence that MJ was having a meeting there.

As for Jack Gordon, this shows why this indeed could have been planned for two decades, and that the date of death also could have been planned way way back with this purpose in mind, because they have been after him way before that (Pepsi fire simply wasn't an accident, it was a warning). From Wikipedia:

In the mid-1980s, Gordon began to manage La Toya Jackson alongside her father, Joseph. In the late 1980s, he took over her management completely. He married her in Reno, Nevada on September 5, 1989, claiming that it was for her own protection against kidnapping by the Jackson family. La Toya Jackson states that this was both unplanned and against her wishes. According to Jackson; "I told him, 'No way, Jack! I can't marry you. You know what marriage means to me. I've never been in love; I don't even date.... It's not right. I don't love you. I don't have feelings for you.'" Jackson tried to run out of the chapel three times but bodyguard Antonio Rossi grabbed her saying, "There's some things you have to do. Even if you don't want to."

In my opinion La Toya was used by Gordon just to get to MJ. He isolated her, abused her and made her say things that would discredit Mike. I still can't believe fans still attack her sometimes for that, they clearly don't understand what she went through. I also think Gordon waited for Mike to make a stupid mistake in order to protect his sister, which he apparently didn't... ENTER THE CHANDLERS.

This conspiracy has been going on for so long, and to be able to make a serious attempt to expose it, you can't just 'point fingers'. The people that were after him are very high profile ones and it takes extreme measures to catch them, that can't be done just like that. I think what he started to do around 1988, was create a certain version of himself to attract the leeches. I think his self created naive and soft image (and please don't get me wrong again on this one, he's probably delightful) attracted certain people who he could use to get information from, without them probably even knowing they made him wiser than he already was. I think most of the circus created around MJ in the past two decades, was intentionally created to gather information. I am not saying that the FBI sting started that long ago, it's very probable that he started this himself to collect proof in order to get the FBI on his side. It might as well have been his own sting, prior to the FBI sting. He had the connections and the money to protect himself as much as he could, but that would also mean he risked his life in doing so. It also means that sometimes things could go wrong, like the accusations in 1993 and in 2003. Either he knew he was being set up and could not prevent it, or he trusted both families and did not see it coming.

The fear for being assasinated on stage could explain why he didn't tour in the US. Maybe he could get better protection outside the US, maybe the risk simply was to high. It could also explain why there was so much time between albums and thus tours, the time was needed to make sure security was as tight as possible. One might think why he would tour at all if he were that afraid, but he needed to stay in the spotlight, he needed his fans because if he would not have done anything in the past twenty-something years, no one would probably even bother about Michael Jackson. It could also explain why he hated to tour. Touring means setting up security every time you visit a new place. Risky, just imagine how you would feel in his position. I would hate touring too, no matter how much I loved performing.

It's interesting to see La Toya talk about how she went on investigating this. I remember I laughed when I first heard that she had said she was a cop, I thought she made a joke. Now I am wondering how much of a cop she is.[/color]

FBI Involvement and Sting Operations

“… the FBI had it [a mob hangout room] bugged for years and gathered a great deal of evidence to prosecute mobsters … Out of nowhere, the FBI asked to speak to me about Gordon and our visits to Mulberry Street. … the FBI agents did reveal some mob secrets to me that I could hardly believe.” (45-47).  There is no doubt that the FBI has been aware of death threats against both La Toya and Michael; and they have clearly worked to protect La Toya, so why would they not work to protect MJ as well?  And what did they do to help protect MJ, if not a death hoax sting {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}?

La Toya herself has been involved in sting operations before: “One night, I was used as a prostitute decoy [a sting operation], which meant dressing up like a hooker and standing outside on a corner while johns pulled over and tried to pick me up. … I was also concerned with doing my job well, so it was important to me to be convincing enough to actually make the arrest.” (265).

Also, it is very clear in her book, that La Toya lied to protect MJ while she was still with Jack Gordon.  So is it possible that should would also lie now, about MJ’s death, as part of an FBI fake death sting operation to expose the conspiracy (and help protect MJ)?

Of course she is and of course she would. It's her little brother. I have two of those and I would do the same. By the way, I never knew she was involved in risky stings like that.

La Toya:

Fake Illness, Fake Injury, and Fake Death

“Although I immediately felt relieved [when Jack Gordon died], Gordon had faked his death before, so I couldn’t believe that he had really died. I sent a security expert to the funeral to make sure that he was in the casket. The expert called me from the funeral home and confirmed that he had seen Jack Gordon dead in his casket.” (250).  So La Toya is very familiar with fake deaths, and she even included this in her book—interesting!

“‘La Toya, Michael’s just doing this [going to the hospital on 6-25-2009] to get out of his shows,’ Jeffre said. [P] This immediately eased my mind because I knew that it could well be true. I had been told that Michael didn’t want to do the London shows, which were scheduled to begin in just a few days. Michael was known, within the family, to have faked illness and injury in the past to avoid commitments that displeased him … I kept praying and talking to myself out loud. [P] ‘Okay, La Toya, calm down. Michael is going to be fine. It’s just an act.’ [P] But somehow, I knew this wasn’t true …” (283-285).

Now wait a minute—how did she know that it was not an act?  If she already knew of a death hoax plan, then she would know that it was an act; but if she was not in on any death hoax plan at that time, then how could she possibly know that it was not an act (even before going to the hospital, which is the timing of this statement)?

Nothing to add. You give the 'common sense-proof' yourself already. Unless she was part of a murder plot against MJ, which would mean her book doesn't make sense, besides many other things already discussed in other threads.

La Toya’s Own Usage of “This Is It”

La Toya is very aware of the MJ’s concert and film title, “This Is It”; and in fact several times she refers to the concert series and movie by this title.  However, there are a few very interesting statements where she used the same phrase, referring to her own life and experience; and it would be hard to imagine that she did not think of the connection with MJ when she used this very same phrase.

“This is it. I’m dying.” (7; referring to 1993, after she had been beaten almost to death by Gordon).  “This is it! I’m making a clean escape. … Wow! I did it! This is it, I finally took the first step [in making the escape] …” (128,130).  So she connects “This is it” with death, and escape!  Could it be any clearer that MJ chose the title “This Is It” because it was all about escape through fake death?

Yes, interesting indeed, can't wait to read the rest.

[quote="TS_comments"]This Is It Concerts Versus Movie

“He [MJ] had vowed to never perform again because he was sure he would be assassinated onstage. … His dream was to produce and direct movies … Michael wanted to move into more of a behind-the-scenes role [Liberian Girl!] … I hoped very much, for his sake, that he would find a means to do so.” (256; see 324).  It doesn’t sound like MJ ever had a plan to perform in London (or anywhere), which is exactly what the next quote below says.

“Leonard [Rowe] felt it was almost as if Michael knew that, for one reason or another, he would never perform those concerts [This Is It in London].” (278).  “Why would AEG film Michael’s rehearsals when they had no agreement in place with him to make a concert movie?” (309).  “… I am amazed by how quickly that film [This Is It] came together from only three days of shooting Michael, which makes me wonder if a film of some kind was already in progress.” (332).[/quote]

It's nice to see this coming from LaToya, since I have been saying this from the start. If you don't know who wrote it, you would almost think it's part of a theory written by a hoaxer.

Exact Day Of Death Known In Advance By Michael

My very first post was on 9-7-09, giving a brief overview of numerology evidence showing that MJ himself planned a very specific day (6-25-09) for his death.  And in March of 2010, I did a long update going into much greater detail about this numerology {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  Since that time, I have also given even further details on the numerology, including a $999 reward for anyone to prove that it was a coincidence (1 chance in less than one million); but so far, nobody has even made a serious attempt to collect the reward.

In addition to the numerology, there is MJ’s remake of Gilda {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  This was a movie about a fake death, in which the actor had the same August 29 birthday as MJ (and by the way, La Toya says that this is MJ’s “actual birthday”—page 245).

Many also know that MJ was planning a magic illusion for 6-25-09; he was planning to disappear while on stage (during rehearsal), only to reappear later at a different place on the stage.  Of course some will say that this is yet another coincidence; but especially with everything else, no doubt it was part of the bigger plan—and it was actually about disappearing through a death hoax, and reappearing later in a BAM!  {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}

And finally, according to AEG CEO Randy Phillips, Michael’s last statement on that last rehearsal night was: “... thanks for getting me this far, I can take it from here.”  {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  This sure sounds like MJ did indeed know that something major was going to change, at that very time (and the change would not be traveling to London, because the rehearsals at Staples were not finished yet).

With a brief refresher in mind of these above four categories (numerology, Gilda, magic illusion, and MJ’s last statement): there are quite a few statements quoted below, from La Toya’s book, which show very clearly that MJ did have advance knowledge about that exact day of his death (6-25-09).  So the only question is whether he succeeded pulling off the death hoax on that day, or did they kill him on the same day that he planned to fake his death?

“‘You’re going to have to take care of Prince and Blanket if something ever happens to me [MJ]. You’re going to have to be the mother if something happens to me, Paris.’ … [La Toya asked:] ‘When did he say that, Paris?’ [P] ‘Last night [6-24-09], before he went to rehearsal. …’” (292).

This next quote is rather lengthy, with excerpts from pages 326-331: “Michael’s fans have been particularly helpful in providing useful information. Because they were so loyal to Michael, they knew his habits extremely well and were struck by the deviation from the norm on the nights just prior to, and the night of, Michael’s death. … According to fans, when Michael was on his way to rehearsal on [June 24] the day of his death, as he drove through the gate at Carolwood, he did not roll his window down and talk to them. That was totally out of character for Michael. I’ve never known Michael to behave in that way to a group of fans that had been so devoted to him. … Then, when he arrived at the Staples Center, he didn’t walk over to his fans. … That night, June 24, 2009, Michael’s last night of rehearsal before he died, his usual routine was again interrupted. … A number of men involved in his business dealings, who had never before been there during rehearsals, were waiting that evening for Michael to get there. Michael and the men remained in his dressing room for several hours … I believe that Michael knew at that moment he was going to die soon. … When Michael left his final rehearsal on the night that he passed, he managed to deliver a covert message to some fans through tears. [P] ‘You’ve gotta help me,’ he whispered. ‘You’ve gotta get me out of here.’ … As usual, the fans sped to Carolwood to get there before Michael arrived. They did so, as always, but this night was different. According to the fans who stayed outside Michael’s house every night to watch him come home from rehearsal, on the night of June 24, 2009, the last night before he passed, when he arrived home from rehearsal, the security measures at the house were much different from any other night when Michael returned from rehearsal. A line of roughly ten men were lined up on both sides of his gate. Normally, he had only the two or three security guards that were with him, and the one that was in the post inside the yard. But this night was different, security was everywhere, and again Michael’s car didn’t stop on the way inside the gate. … [One fan reported:] ‘I stand outside the gate, and Michael has the same routine every night. After he comes home from rehearsal, he goes upstairs, and about twenty minutes later the light in a room goes off. The night that he died, the light stayed on all night. I got worried. The light never went off. I didn’t get it. I didn’t understand what had happened. It was very strange. … Oh, and security was acting strange,’ she said. [P] I knew I needed to speak to several other fans regarding that night, and when I did, their stories were the same.”

We have long been told that MJ never got any sleep that night, and he was still trying to get to sleep the next morning, when Dr. Murray gave him the propofol to put him to sleep.  But now we know why he couldn't get to sleep that night—because he forgot to shut the light off when he went to bed!!!

:lol:  :lol:   :lol:   lolol/

But seriously: either the light was on all night (and all those other strange things that happened) because it was the beginning of implementing the death hoax, or else it was when MJ was murdered (and then they tried to make it look like Murray accidentally killed him the next morning).  Once again, then, which one of these two actually happened?  This is the multi-million dollar question {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

“One of Michael’s last phone calls, the day before he died, was to our father, asking him for protection against the people who were preying on him. Unfortunately, the forces at work against Michael were so great that neither Michael nor Joseph could overcome them, even with their combined strength.” (158).

Could this be true?   Could it be that not his family, not his body guards, not the police, not the FBI, etc—not all of them combined could save MJ’s life, even though MJ knew in advance the very day that he was going to die?  That is the question for level 5.  Did MJ fake his death on the planned day, or did the people conspiring against him succeed in killing him on the exact day which MJ himself planned and knew about in advance?

In support of the murder theory (which I’m supposed to be defending in this level): La Toya’s book speaks out repeatedly and powerfully that he was murdered.  And she also writes with great detail and emotion about MJ’s death, and repeatedly seeing him in the casket, etc (see especially chapter 37).  Are these statements in the book true, or is La Toya doing her part in a convincing sting operation?  Or is it possible that La Toya herself is not in on the sting—could a dummy in the casket have fooled her?  These are some of the things to discuss in this thread.

Yeah....the birthday. I'm still not convinced. And the fact that you use the quote marks isn't helping to convince me his real birthday is indeed August 29. To me it is TOO MUCH of a coincidence that that date is exactly the same amount of days prior to the Pepsi "accident", as death date is post it. If June 25th had no relevance at all, I would not have even doubt it, but the fact that June 25th was 70 days from 9/3/09, which was 7 days from 9/9/09 (inclusive) seems all too good to be true.

About that strange behaviour on the night before... The fact that the security was tightened might indicate that it was the first time he himself actually was in that house. I am pretty positive he never rented that house to live there, it was purely a hoax house. The fact that he didn't greet the fans might mean that on other days the fans had seen a double, and he didn't want to risk that fans might see something was off. And maybe I don't understand the life of a true fan, but I don't get why people would stay all night looking at a house to see how long it takes each night for someone to go to bed and whatever other routine they want to know. To me that story sounds pretty strange, and if true: pretty disturbing.

I do have to think about this further. If the story is true, it means something, but if not, it means something too because otherwise she would not make it up. Probably they have been planting 'evidence' or something like that. I wish I was a fly in LA and was able to go back in time to see what happened there.

But either way, he was NOT murdered. It just doesn't make sense. I think there is a possibility that only he knew the exact date, which means that no one could have figured it out and kill him on the exact same day. People in on it only have to know that it is going to happen, on HIS cue. And then it is very possible that he had to inform the ones that would be involved that day on the night before. That would also explain why so many things are done the other uhmmm day, like the funeral (partly), the ambulance picture. And if he would have known that people might have figured out what he was planning, I guess he made sure he was protected even more on the day of the hoax. Let's say there were FBI agents and/or friends and/or family members with him constantly, then they would not have the opportunity to kill him, because someone would have witnessed that. All the other planned dates could have easily been passed on after June 25.

And La Toya is absolutely in on the sting, no doubt. She is his sister, no way she could have been fooled with a dummy or double or whatever. Then also if you go by her own words about MJ faking stuff to get out of certain things, having experiences with someone faking his death, LaToya would probably be the most suspicious one of the family and paying the most attention. So fooled? No way. And if she was not aware of the sting, then why would she fabricate stories like her signing the DC? No way. La toya is in, as is the rest of the Jacksons.

Appeal for Believers and Non-believers

At this point, no matter how much evidence is presented: very few believers will be convinced that MJ really died, and very few non-believers will be convinced that MJ is alive.  Also, if they did get him on 6-25-09, no amount of investigation and research will ever bring him back to life.

Therefore, perhaps it is time to focus on something that both believers and unbelievers can agree upon: that the Jackson family has been and still is threatened by powers much bigger than a few Sony and/or AEG executives.  And the public needs understand this, including but not limited to MJ fans; there needs to be a widespread awareness of this fact, and then the Jacksons can more directly and more safely work to fight against and expose this major underground corruption.

You can encourage others to read La Toya’s book, and be informed of the magnitude of the conspiracy.  This is not merely to promote and sell copies of her book; you can probably go to a library and read it, if you would rather not spend the money to buy it (if a library doesn’t currently have it, you can request it and they may order it in).  If nothing else, you can direct people to this thread, which quotes some of the most important parts about the conspiracy, etc.

You can also send tweets to the Jacksons, especially La Toya and Jermaine {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}; they are the ones who are currently the most involved in trying to expose the conspiracy against MJ.  But don’t send tweets asking them about the hoax, that will not help; instead, tell them that you realize what they are up against, and you are willing to do whatever it takes to help them—even at the risk of your own life (but don’t say it unless you really mean it).  The more that they see this kind of support, the more they will be able to come out publicly with what they know.  And this is exactly the kind of support that I have been giving for well over a year now, and also encouraging others to give.

I think you are right, there are two groups, besides the general public that isn't paying attention at all. Those who know he's alive, and those who are convinced he is dead, whether murdered or because he drugged himself up. I don't think there is anything after 2+ years that would convince us believers that there is no hoax (when I speak only for myself, I can even say that I am 100% certain I can't be convinced otherwise, and I think the same goes for the non-believers. If they are still in denial after 2 years, then I don't see what would convince them either.

I will help wherever I can. This should be something believers and non-believers should be able to do in unity, if only they wouldn't dislike us so much.

And to the members who are afraid to bring it up, I will since some people seemed to be a little freaked out. I don't think TS is asking you to literally give your life, although I get the feeling that when all hell breaks loose, that not being afraid for that would be needed to take back our freedom. I hope I am overreacting though...). I think that TS is saying that support on this IN PUBLIC (Twitter is VERY public) is needed. The more people showing support, saying the "know what's going on" and also showing that they ain't scared of no sheets, the better. You can only beat them at their own game and their game is fear. Their fear is people waking up and ready to fight them. Am I far off with that explanation TS, or is that what you mean?

And hey, we are soldiers, aren't we? Soldiers of love, that's right, but love deserves to be fought for more than anything else. It's the most important thing in ALL of our lives. I ain't scared of no sheets!
 mj_bad/

[~Souza~]

I think it's time to THINK BIG...because if it ain't BIG, then MJ wouldn't have bothered with it.

There is no official award I can offer you, but I hereby declare the above officially "The MJDHI quote of the day".

Attempts to take over this non-existing award are encouraged though. lolol/

[Mish1981]

[font=cursive:3q7w5nsz]Isn't the whole point of this site...TO INVESTIGATE? 
By presenting differing opinions and investigating we either discard or accept theories. 
There is NO actual proof of what is accurate until we have it from Michael.
I think that TS is challenging us to FIND theories, investigate them and then if possible, debunk them. 
We, along the way, get rid of ones that are not feasible.
Those ones thrown away, in the end could be the correct one. 
WHO knows?
But, ultimately, I think TS is presenting theories, situations, to make us reaffirm our belief in the hoax, or not if you chose to not believe that, so as when the trial comes, or again, not...we are not swayed in our belief, or hurt.
I think it does NO good to condemn or make others feel that what they believe or have investigated is not correct because it's different in what you chose to believe or have "proven" to yourself or has had someone tell you it is correct.
We are here to investigate.  I believe Michael is alive.  So do you.
I feel I have my answer.  I think you mostly do also...or perhaps you are still searching...but, who is any of us to say WE are the correct one?
[/font:3q7w5nsz]

Well said, thank you for standing up for us little ones. I couldn't have said it better myself! I have been around for the last two years going all the way back to the original hoax site. In the beginning I read everything religiously because I wanted to soak up as much as possible and more importantly contribute to each topic. Over time the contributions stopped and I know that I don't just speak for myself when I say that there really aren't any healthy discussions as I've seen.  I have not nor will I ever believe everything I read. We have so much information thrown at us, and unless it is dissected it SHOULDN'T be ignored. But how are we to dissect anything that is said (and that includes TS' post - and yes I have followed him/her since the very beginning) if there are those who consider everyone who doesn't agree in lament terms a waste of time. Now here we are suppose to be discussing the family and concentrating on LaToya and her book. From the tid-bits that others have posted I'm swayed to think that her book is a mix between the truth and fiction and it is up to us to decipher which is which. I haven't ordered the book yet but I'm sure by the time I get around to doing it there will be enough post on here to read the entire book cover to cover. I look forward to giving my thoughts where I can. Let's see if we can do this peacefully.