TIAI July 7

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First of all, this is not a new level; this is a continuation of level 5, started on 6-25-11 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19647}.  However, this post is long enough and important enough, that I put it into a new thread and new redirect. 

This post is primarily going to be quotes from La Toya Jackson's new book, Starting Over (to save space, I will only reference the page number for documentation; but unless otherwise stated, all quotes in this post are from that book).  With the release of this book, we now have official and very public statements from a Jackson family member, verifying several things that TS has been saying for nearly two years now—including and especially that there was an exact day planned for the death, and MJ himself knew the exact day in advance!  No longer can anyone claim that the 777 and other numerology was a coincidence; and TS was the first to tell you about it on 9-7-09, with much greater detail in Update 4 in March of 2010 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=7010}.

Please limit this thread to discussion on La Toya's book (especially as it relates to what I have quoted below, and level 5); and continue to use the other thread for everything else related to level 5 {again, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19647}.

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We Should Investigate What Happened to Michael

There is a dedication page in the front of the book, and the very last sentence on that page says: "Let's continue to support the King and find out what truly happened to him, and let's keep his legacy alive."  The book ends with a similar statement: "Everyone still has strong opinions about the estate, the people controlling it, and what happened to Michael." (335).  Interesting that these statements use the wording "what (truly) happened to" Michael—instead of saying, who killed him.  Jermaine also used this same wording, in his one year anniversary interview with Larry King {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}.

"I wondered if my family would investigate [if La Toya had been killed], or if they would believe what they were told and never know the truth." (9).  "But I quickly realized that I had to have an open mind, and I could not assign the blame to either party until I had heard the full story from both sides." (266).  Here again, we see that La Toya is against being prejudice and in favor of investigating the truth—we should not merely believe what we are told.

"There is still so much to be learned and so much to be revealed. ... I'm not done with my investigation for the truth yet; I've only scratched the surface. I will never give up until I unveil the truth and justice is served." (331,333).  Does anyone remember TS saying that "everything covered so far has just been an introductory course" {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=11061}.

Also, if MJ is really dead, then "justice" would certainly include justice for murder; but if he faked his death, there is still justice to be served: for attempting to kill him (on 9-11-2001 and other times); and for the false pedophile charges, etc.

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The "Conspiracy" Is Much Bigger than Just a Few Executives

Speaking of the attempt to kill MJ on 9-11, here it is: "I later learned that Michael was supposed to attend a meeting at the top of the World Trade Center at 9:00 a.m. on September 11, but he was too tired, and the meeting was canceled. Had he gone, he would have died in the attack that day." (186).

Wow!  What a coincidence!!!   :shock: :o :shock: Notice that the meeting was not only scheduled for the morning of the exact day (an afternoon meeting would not have killed him, because the towers would've come down already), but it was planned for the "top" of the building—which is the place least likely for survival.  For those who are not easily fooled by the "coincidence" excuse: this shows that the "conspiracy" against MJ was far bigger than just a few executives at Sony, and/or AEG, etc.  This was a major NWO power that knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance!  And by the way: TS said this very thing clear back in 2009 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=1930}.

In the 6-25-2011 thread, some have questioned my terminology using the word "Illuminatti"; but as I have stated before, I'm using the term loosely.  There is no need to quibble over the exact title of the people and organizations involved in the "conspiracy" against MJ (and the 9-11 conspiracy, etc); the concepts are what we are dealing with here, and the concepts have to do with secret societies and organized underground crime (especially ones working to promote the New World Order agenda, although some lower-level elements may not be aware of the NWO agenda at higher levels).

Now for a few quotes about Jack Gordon, who was La Toya's very abusive manager.  "For almost a decade, Gordon controlled me with a campaign of brutalization and manipulation, beating me several times a week, threatening my life and the lives of my family members [including and especially MJ], and proving he had the mob ties to carry out his most violent promises." (1).  "... he [MJ] knew that Gordon was linked to the Mafia, as apparently, were some of the men who were targeting him at this time." (206).  "He [MJ] went on to tell me he believed it was a whole handful of scoundrels behind the plot, who were coming in for the kill. He was clearly terrified. [P] 'You'll see,' he said. 'It's all about my publishing.' [P] What he described made Gordon look like a small-time crook." (227).

"Michael had an even greater fear than the possibility that he might be found guilty [in the 2005 trial]. He was wearing a bulletproof vest, a habit he had adopted since the time when he went head-to-head with Tommy Mottola of Sony in 2001, and again in 2002." (252,253; see 200).

"But I was well aware of his assassination fears, and I'd been researching on my own to put together the puzzle pieces of the conspiracy he [MJ] had described." (246).  "I began investigating the conspiracy Michael described to me ... I was determined to find out all that I could so that together, Michael and I might be able to stop it." (257,258).  Can anyone think of what MJ may have planned, to help fight against this conspiracy?  Did he do nothing whatsoever??  Or if he did do something, what was it—anything at all (other than planning a fake death, to draw major world attention to the conspiracy)???

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FBI Involvement and Sting Operations

"... the FBI had it [a mob hangout room] bugged for years and gathered a great deal of evidence to prosecute mobsters ... Out of nowhere, the FBI asked to speak to me about Gordon and our visits to Mulberry Street. ... the FBI agents did reveal some mob secrets to me that I could hardly believe." (45-47).  There is no doubt that the FBI has been aware of death threats against both La Toya and Michael; and they have clearly worked to protect La Toya, so why would they not work to protect MJ as well?  And what did they do to help protect MJ, if not a death hoax sting {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18964}?

La Toya herself has been involved in sting operations before: "One night, I was used as a prostitute decoy [a sting operation], which meant dressing up like a hooker and standing outside on a corner while johns pulled over and tried to pick me up. ... I was also concerned with doing my job well, so it was important to me to be convincing enough to actually make the arrest." (265).

Also, it is very clear in her book, that La Toya lied to protect MJ while she was still with Jack Gordon.  So is it possible that should would also lie now, about MJ's death, as part of an FBI fake death sting operation to expose the conspiracy (and help protect MJ)?

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Fake Illness, Fake Injury, and Fake Death

"Although I immediately felt relieved [when Jack Gordon died], Gordon had faked his death before, so I couldn't believe that he had really died. I sent a security expert to the funeral to make sure that he was in the casket. The expert called me from the funeral home and confirmed that he had seen Jack Gordon dead in his casket." (250).  So La Toya is very familiar with fake deaths, and she even included this in her book—interesting!

"'La Toya, Michael's just doing this [going to the hospital on 6-25-2009] to get out of his shows,' Jeffre said. [P] This immediately eased my mind because I knew that it could well be true. I had been told that Michael didn't want to do the London shows, which were scheduled to begin in just a few days. Michael was known, within the family, to have faked illness and injury in the past to avoid commitments that displeased him ... I kept praying and talking to myself out loud. [P] 'Okay, La Toya, calm down. Michael is going to be fine. It's just an act.' [P] But somehow, I knew this wasn't true ..." (283-285).

Now wait a minute—how did she know that it was not an act?  If she already knew of a death hoax plan, then she would know that it was an act; but if she was not in on any death hoax plan at that time, then how could she possibly know that it was not an act (even before going to the hospital, which is the timing of this statement)?

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La Toya's Own Usage of "This Is It"

La Toya is very aware of the MJ's concert and film title, "This Is It"; and in fact several times she refers to the concert series and movie by this title.  However, there are a few very interesting statements where she used the same phrase, referring to her own life and experience; and it would be hard to imagine that she did not think of the connection with MJ when she used this very same phrase.

"This is it. I'm dying." (7; referring to 1993, after she had been beaten almost to death by Gordon).  "This is it! I'm making a clean escape. ... Wow! I did it! This is it, I finally took the first step [in making the escape] ..." (128,130).  So she connects "This is it" with death, and escape!  Could it be any clearer that MJ chose the title "This Is It" because it was all about escape through fake death?

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This Is It Concerts Versus Movie

"He [MJ] had vowed to never perform again because he was sure he would be assassinated onstage. ... His dream was to produce and direct movies ... Michael wanted to move into more of a behind-the-scenes role [Liberian Girl!] ... I hoped very much, for his sake, that he would find a means to do so." (256; see 324).  It doesn't sound like MJ ever had a plan to perform in London (or anywhere), which is exactly what the next quote below says.

"Leonard [Rowe] felt it was almost as if Michael knew that, for one reason or another, he would never perform those concerts [This Is It in London]." (278).  "Why would AEG film Michael's rehearsals when they had no agreement in place with him to make a concert movie?" (309).  "... I am amazed by how quickly that film [This Is It] came together from only three days of shooting Michael, which makes me wonder if a film of some kind was already in progress." (332).

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Exact Day Of Death Known In Advance By Michael

My very first post was on 9-7-09, giving a brief overview of numerology evidence showing that MJ himself planned a very specific day (6-25-09) for his death.  And in March of 2010, I did a long update going into much greater detail about this numerology {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=7010}.  Since that time, I have also given even further details on the numerology, including a $999 reward for anyone to prove that it was a coincidence (1 chance in less than one million); but so far, nobody has even made a serious attempt to collect the reward.

In addition to the numerology, there is MJ's remake of Gilda {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKQohTYi9pc; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilda; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Macready}.  This was a movie about a fake death, in which the actor had the same August 29 birthday as MJ (and by the way, La Toya says that this is MJ's "actual birthday"—page 245).

Many also know that MJ was planning a magic illusion for 6-25-09; he was planning to disappear while on stage (during rehearsal), only to reappear later at a different place on the stage.  Of course some will say that this is yet another coincidence; but especially with everything else, no doubt it was part of the bigger plan—and it was actually about disappearing through a death hoax, and reappearing later in a BAM!  {http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1624058/michael-jackson-collaborators-clueless-about-addiction.jhtml; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17002#p289674}

And finally, according to AEG CEO Randy Phillips, Michael's last statement on that last rehearsal night was: "... thanks for getting me this far, I can take it from here."  {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2yIV-LaPI}.  This sure sounds like MJ did indeed know that something major was going to change, at that very time (and the change would not be traveling to London, because the rehearsals at Staples were not finished yet).

With a brief refresher in mind of these above four categories (numerology, Gilda, magic illusion, and MJ's last statement): there are quite a few statements quoted below, from La Toya's book, which show very clearly that MJ did have advance knowledge about that exact day of his death (6-25-09).  So the only question is whether he succeeded pulling off the death hoax on that day, or did they kill him on the same day that he planned to fake his death?

"'You're going to have to take care of Prince and Blanket if something ever happens to me [MJ]. You're going to have to be the mother if something happens to me, Paris.' ... [La Toya asked:] 'When did he say that, Paris?' [P] 'Last night [6-24-09], before he went to rehearsal. ...'" (292).

This next quote is rather lengthy, with excerpts from pages 326-331: "Michael's fans have been particularly helpful in providing useful information. Because they were so loyal to Michael, they knew his habits extremely well and were struck by the deviation from the norm on the nights just prior to, and the night of, Michael's death. ... According to fans, when Michael was on his way to rehearsal on [June 24] the day of his death, as he drove through the gate at Carolwood, he did not roll his window down and talk to them. That was totally out of character for Michael. I've never known Michael to behave in that way to a group of fans that had been so devoted to him. ... Then, when he arrived at the Staples Center, he didn't walk over to his fans. ... That night, June 24, 2009, Michael's last night of rehearsal before he died, his usual routine was again interrupted. ... A number of men involved in his business dealings, who had never before been there during rehearsals, were waiting that evening for Michael to get there. Michael and the men remained in his dressing room for several hours ... I believe that Michael knew at that moment he was going to die soon. ... When Michael left his final rehearsal on the night that he passed, he managed to deliver a covert message to some fans through tears. [P] 'You've gotta help me,' he whispered. 'You've gotta get me out of here.' ... As usual, the fans sped to Carolwood to get there before Michael arrived. They did so, as always, but this night was different. According to the fans who stayed outside Michael's house every night to watch him come home from rehearsal, on the night of June 24, 2009, the last night before he passed, when he arrived home from rehearsal, the security measures at the house were much different from any other night when Michael returned from rehearsal. A line of roughly ten men were lined up on both sides of his gate. Normally, he had only the two or three security guards that were with him, and the one that was in the post inside the yard. But this night was different, security was everywhere, and again Michael's car didn't stop on the way inside the gate. ... [One fan reported:] 'I stand outside the gate, and Michael has the same routine every night. After he comes home from rehearsal, he goes upstairs, and about twenty minutes later the light in a room goes off. The night that he died, the light stayed on all night. I got worried. The light never went off. I didn't get it. I didn't understand what had happened. It was very strange. ... Oh, and security was acting strange,' she said. [P] I knew I needed to speak to several other fans regarding that night, and when I did, their stories were the same."

We have long been told that MJ never got any sleep that night, and he was still trying to get to sleep the next morning, when Dr. Murray gave him the propofol to put him to sleep.  But now we know why he couldn't get to sleep that night—because he forgot to shut the light off when he went to bed!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: lolol/

But seriously: either the light was on all night (and all those other strange things that happened) because it was the beginning of implementing the death hoax, or else it was when MJ was murdered (and then they tried to make it look like Murray accidentally killed him the next morning).  Once again, then, which one of these two actually happened?  This is the multi-million dollar question {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19647}.

"One of Michael's last phone calls, the day before he died, was to our father, asking him for protection against the people who were preying on him. Unfortunately, the forces at work against Michael were so great that neither Michael nor Joseph could overcome them, even with their combined strength." (158).

Could this be true?   Could it be that not his family, not his body guards, not the police, not the FBI, etc—not all of them combined could save MJ's life, even though MJ knew in advance the very day that he was going to die?  That is the question for level 5.  Did MJ fake his death on the planned day, or did the people conspiring against him succeed in killing him on the exact day which MJ himself planned and knew about in advance?

In support of the murder theory (which I'm supposed to be defending in this level): La Toya's book speaks out repeatedly and powerfully that he was murdered.  And she also writes with great detail and emotion about MJ's death, and repeatedly seeing him in the casket, etc (see especially chapter 37).  Are these statements in the book true, or is La Toya doing her part in a convincing sting operation?  Or is it possible that La Toya herself is not in on the sting—could a dummy in the casket have fooled her?  These are some of the things to discuss in this thread.

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Appeal for Believers and Non-believers

At this point, no matter how much evidence is presented: very few believers will be convinced that MJ really died, and very few non-believers will be convinced that MJ is alive.  Also, if they did get him on 6-25-09, no amount of investigation and research will ever bring him back to life.

Therefore, perhaps it is time to focus on something that both believers and unbelievers can agree upon: that the Jackson family has been and still is threatened by powers much bigger than a few Sony and/or AEG executives.  And the public needs understand this, including but not limited to MJ fans; there needs to be a widespread awareness of this fact, and then the Jacksons can more directly and more safely work to fight against and expose this major underground corruption.

You can encourage others to read La Toya's book, and be informed of the magnitude of the conspiracy.  This is not merely to promote and sell copies of her book; you can probably go to a library and read it, if you would rather not spend the money to buy it (if a library doesn't currently have it, you can request it and they may order it in).  If nothing else, you can direct people to this thread, which quotes some of the most important parts about the conspiracy, etc.

You can also send tweets to the Jacksons, especially La Toya and Jermaine {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson; http://twitter.com/#!/jermjackson5}; they are the ones who are currently the most involved in trying to expose the conspiracy against MJ.  But don't send tweets asking them about the hoax, that will not help; instead, tell them that you realize what they are up against, and you are willing to do whatever it takes to help them—even at the risk of your own life (but don't say it unless you really mean it).  The more that they see this kind of support, the more they will be able to come out publicly with what they know.  And this is exactly the kind of support that I have been giving for well over a year now, and also encouraging others to give.

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MsTrinity333

Quote from: MJonmind on August 15, 2011, 05:46:07 AM

On 7/7/2011, TS said we should "Keep an eye out for 777!"

First there was the pic of MJ with the 777 shirt.
Then there was Front's post reminding us on July 12th and 23rd about the numbers 28...   71...80...   37...which equal 777.
Then there's the 777 cake.

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A vision, Aug 25 2006
Lights out, Jun 25 2009
Illumination, Jun 11 2011
Voyage continues, Aug 10 2011
Excluding (1 day of "simmering")

8-25-2006
6-25-2009
6-11-2011
8-10-2011
______________
28-71-80-37

17/71 (rev. in orig. post)...do the math, you get the same answer!

2+8+1+7=18...8-1=7
8+3+7=18...8-1=7
18+7=25...2+5=7
----> 777

Could there be more?
And the cards on the cake equal 21 = 3 x 7 = 777
But who's Front??? 
suspicious//
Fide Et Opera

GINAFELICIA

August 15, 2011, 10:15:41 AM #586 Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 10:17:15 AM by GINAFELICIA

Am I in the Back thread suspicious//?
I was quite sure I clicked the TIAI 7 geek/

Well since I'm here - just want to tell to TS that he is missed bearhug


shamz

check this out people > http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/may/05/liz-taylor-michael-jackson-marlon-brando

if Michael was going to be killed by the 9/11 bombings by having a meeting on the top floor, why was he on a drive with Marlon and Elizabeth?

"I'm happy to be alive, I'm happy to be who I am." - Michael Jackson


GINAFELICIA

Well they said he left with Brando on 9/11 I think, after the attacks.
But I am not sure.


paula-c

I not, if this to be able to use as something

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List of World Trade Center tenants
Built in 1970, the World Trade Center housed more than 430 companies from 28 countries. They were engaged in a wide variety of commercial activities, including banking and finance, insurance, transportation, import and export companies, customs brokerage, trade associations and representatives of foreign governments.

An estimated 50,000 people worked in the World Trade Center, and another 140,000 visited the complex daily. Below is a list of tenants that had office space in the twin towers and four other buildings in the complex.

Tower 1 | Tower 2 | Building 4 | Building 5 | Building 6 | Building 7

Building: 1 World Trade Center - North Tower

Tenant SF Leased Industry Floor
Alan Anthony N/A Business Services
Royal Thai Embassy Office N/A Government
NY Coffee Station N/A
Tes USA, Inc. 400 Financial Institutions
Strawberry 7,106 Retailers/Wholesalers CNCR
Ann Taylor Loft 7,200   CNCR
Delta Airlines 400 Transportation LBBY
Olympia Airport Express N/A  LBBY
Avis N/A  LBBY
Port Authority of New York & New Jersey 22,411 Government 3,14,19,24,28,31
Geiger & Geiger 1,588 Law Firms 4,25,78
Gayer, Shyu & Wiesel 800 Accountants 5
Thai Farmers Bank 4,512 Financial Institutions 7
Amerson Group Co., Inc. N/A Personal Services 8
Bank of America 132,586 Financial Institutions 9-11,81
Porcella Vicini & Co. 2,200 Transportation 11
Primarch Decision Economics 4,954 Business Services 11
Instinet, Inc. 65,844 Financial Institutions 13,14
Dun & Bradstreet, Inc. 22,750 Personal Services 14
Landmark Education Corporation 44,407 Personal Services 15
Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. 10,000 Transportation 17
Empire Health Choice 461,000 Insurance 17,19,20,23,24,27-31
Tower Computer Service 585 Retailers/Wholesalers 21,29
United Seamen's Service AMMLA 2,400 Personal Services 21
United Hercules Inc. 10,000 Transportation 21
Avesta Computer Services, Ltd. 1,464 Computers/Data Processing 21
Continental Logistics, Inc. 734 Personal Services 21
Dongwon Securities Co. Ltd. 1,171 Financial Institutions 21
Dr. Tadasu Tokumaru, M.D. 520 Medical 21
Friends Villas Fischer Trust N/A Financial Institutions 21
Friends Ivory & Sime, Inc. 13,262 Financial Institutions 21
Infotech 1,400  21
Law Offices of Roman V. Popik 586 Law Firms 21
Lief International USA 3,100 Manufacturing 21
Unicom Capital Advisors LLP 5,483 Financial Institutions 22,84
Chicago Options Exchange Corp. 3,608 Financial Institutions 22
Cheng Xiang Trading USA Inc. 1,900 Computers/Data Processing 22
G.C. Services 2,561 Financial Institutions 22
Gold Sky Inc. 421 Manufacturing 22
Kaiser Overseas Inc. 265 Manufacturing 22
Karoon Capital Management 991 Financial Institutions 22
MLU Investment 1,175  22
P. Wolfe Consultants 2,165 Business Services 22
The SCPIE Companies 2,582  22
Tai Fook Securities 1,500 Financial Institutions 22
R.H. Wrightson & Associates, Inc. N/A Financial Institutions 25
Garban-Intercapital 60,548 Financial Institutions 25,26
China Patent & Trademark USA 400 Law Firms 29
World Travel 25,000 Transportation 29
Banco LatinoAmericano de 3,000 Financial Institutions 32
Chang HWA Commercial Bank 12,182 Financial Institutions 32
Rohde & Liesenfeld, Inc. 5,000 Transportation 32
Berel & Mullen 2,786 Law Firms 33
China Daily Distribution Corp. 800 Personal Services 33
Data Transmission Network Corp. 342  33
Golden King (USA) Limited 190 Transportation 33
Hu Tong International (USA) Co., Ltd. 583 Retailers/Wholesalers 33
Koudis International Inc. 600 Transportation 33
MANAA Trading Group, Inc. 1,013 Financial Institutions 33
MIS Service Co. 2,000  33
Rachel & Associates, Inc. 814 Manufacturing 33
Serko & Simon 8,605 Law Firms 33
Anne Pope, Law Offices of N/A Law Firms 35
Kemper Insurance Companies 92,232 Insurance 35,36
Commodity Futures Trading Commission 35,000 Financial Institutions 37
Government of Thailand 5,109  37
Lehman Brothers 45,100  38-40
Regional Alliance Small 1,692 Business Services 38
Turner Construction Company 1,000 Agri/Mining/Utilities 38
The Cultural Institutions Retirement Systems 5,416 Financial Institutions 39
Overseas Union Bank, Ltd. 3,750 Financial Institutions 39
Xcel Federal Credit Union 4,200 Financial Institutions 39
Mechanical Floor N/A  41-43
N.Y. Society of Security 3,000 Government 44
American Lota International 626 Transportation 45
China Construction America, Inc. 2,000 Business Services 45
The Company Store 800 Retailers/Wholesalers 45
Dunavant Commodity Corp 1,437 Financial Institutions 45
Employee Merit 763 Business Services 45
Fertitta Enterprises 600  45
M.A. Katz, CPA 400 Accountants 45
SRA 1,000  45
Pure Energy Corp. 5,935 Retailers/Wholesalers 45,53
Sassoons Inc. 1,000  45
Security Traders Association, Inc. 1,520 Personal Services 45
Streamline Capital, LLC 2,024  45
ASTDC, Inc. 3,760 Personal Services 46
Auto Imperial Co. 374 Retailers/Wholesalers 46
Blue Sky Technologies, Inc. 350 Computers/Data Processing 46
Can-Achieve 392 Business Services 46
Consolidated Steelex Corp. 2,277 Manufacturing 46
Dahao USA Corp N/A Retailers/Wholesalers 46
J & X Tans International 338 Transportation 46
Kanebo Information Systems Corp. 800 Computers/Data Processing 46
Meganet Management Consultants, Inc. 600 Computers/Data Processing 46
Prospect International, Inc. 966  46
Sinopec USA, Inc. 4,584 Retailers/Wholesalers 46
Suggested Open Systems, Inc. 600 Computers/Data Processing 46
Suntendy America, Inc. 1,000 Retailers/Wholesalers 46
T&T Enterprises International, Inc. 1,006 Financial Institutions 46
Yong Ren America, Inc. 394  46
G. Z. Stephens, Inc. 1,200 Business Services 47
NFA/GGG, Inc. 2,053  47
American TCC Int'l Group, Inc. 5,736 Financial Institutions 47,90
Pacific American Co. 4,753 Retailers/Wholesalers 47
Quint Amasis, L.L.C. 1,000 Personal Services 47
W.J. Export-Import, Inc. 800 Retailers/Wholesalers 47
Dai-Ichi Kangyo Trust Co. 100,000 Financial Institutions 48-50
AT&T Corporation 11,612 Communications 51
C & P Press N/A Personal Services 51
TradeWeb N/A Online trading 51
The Williams Capital Group 578  52
Bramax Manufacturing (USA) Corp. 800 Retailers/Wholesalers 52
Gayer Shyu & Wiesel N/A Financial Institutions 52
Hill Betts & Nash, LLP 21,609 Law Firms 52
Temenos USA, Inc. 6,000 Retailers/Wholesalers 52,84
Howly (US) Corporation 1,150  52
Leeds & Morrelli 1,617 Law Firms 52
Okasan International (American) Inc. 2,250 Financial Institutions 52
RGL Gallagher PC 984 Accountants 52
Richard A. Zimmerman, Esq. 1,150 Law Firms 52
A I G Aviation Brokerage, Inc. 2,500 Insurance 53
Bank of Taiwan 7,500 Financial Institutions 53
China Resource Products USA Ltd. N/A  53
Keenan Powers & Andrews 4,500 Law Firms 53
LoCurto & Funk, Inc. N/A Financial Institutions 53
Natural Nydegger Transport Corp. 3,500 Transportation 53
Pacrim Trading & Shipping, Inc. 1,200 Transportation 53
Brown & Wood, L.L.P. 223,100 Law Firms 54,56-59
Pace University 45,943 Personal Services 55
World Trade Institute N/A  55
Asahi Bank, Ltd. 40,000 Financial Institutions 60
Airport Access Program N/A Financial Institutions 63
Hal Roth Agency, Inc. 2,250 Insurance 77
Jun He Law Office, LLC 894 Law Firms 77
Martin Progressive LLC 13,789 Computers/Data Processing 77
New-ey International Corp. 894 Personal Services 77
Partner Reinsurance Corp. N/A Insurance 77
World Trade Centers Association 5,400 Personal Services 77
Avenir, Inc. 2,162 Computers/Data Processing 78
Baltic Oil Corporation 981  78
Cedar Capital Management Associates 909  78
Cheng Cheng Enterprises Holding Inc. 4,073 Retailers/Wholesalers 78
Hyundai Securities Co., Ltd. 1,600 Financial Institutions 78
International Trade Center, Inc. 3,298 Business Services 78
Korea Local Authorities 1,000 Government 78
Meridian Ventures Holding, Inc. 3,315  78
Phink Path 1,214 Business Services 78
Traders Access Center 1,027 Financial Institutions 78
Daynard & Van Thunen Co. 4,750 Insurance 79
First Liberty Investment Group 1,000 Financial Institutions 79
International Office Centers 26,367 Personal Services 79
Nikko Securities 9,340 Financial Institutions 79
Okato Shoji Company, Ltd. 2,729 Computers/Data Processing 79
Securant Technologies 2,729 Computers/Data Processing 79
Agricor Commodities Corp. 3,200 Financial Institutions 80
The Beast.Comm 21,000 Computers/Data Processing 80
Intrust Investment Realty, Inc. 3,320  80
Noga Commodities Overseas, Inc. 6,518 Financial Institutions 80
RLI Insurance Company 3,900 Insurance 80
Shizuoka Bank Ltd. 2,200 Financial Institutions 80
New Continental Enterprises 2,055 Transportation 81
Network Plus 8,500 Communications 81
NY Metro Transportation Council 7,000 Government 82
General Telecommunications 8,994  83
Global Crossings Holdings Ltd. N/A Computers/Data Processing 83
Lava Trading, LLC 7,589  83
Taipei Bank 12,111 Financial Institutions 83
eMeritus Communications 7,203 Communications 83
Bright China Capital, Ltd. 2,016 Financial Institutions 84
David Peterson 1,863 Law Firms 84
LG Securities America, Inc. 1,800 Financial Institutions 84
San-In Godo Bank Ltd. 2,000 Financial Institutions 84
Daehan International 1,200 Financial Institutions 84,89
SMW Trading Corp. 3,000 Financial Institutions 85
Thermo Electron 2,289  85
Julien J. Studley, Inc. 6,372 Real Estate 86
May Davis Group 12,824 Financial Institutions 87
Barcley Dwyer 12,211  89
Broad USA, Inc. N/A Retailers/Wholesalers 89
CIIC Group (USA), Ltd. 2,500 Financial Institutions 89
Drinker Biddle & Reath 10,000 Law Firms 89
Metropolitan Life Insurance Co. 7,119 Insurance 89
Mutual International Forwarding 1,200 Transportation 89
Strategic Communications, Inc. 2,400 Communications 89
Wai Gao Qiao USA, Inc. 1,528 Business Services 89
Wall Street Planning Association 2,154  89
The Chugoku Bank, Ltd. 1,500 Financial Institutions 90
American Bureau of Shipping 8,400 Engineers 91
Fred Alger Management 36,078 Investments 93
Marsh USA 361,000 Insurance 93-100
Kidder Peabody & Co. N/A  101
Cantor Fitzgerald Securities 22,000 Investments 101-105
The Nishi-Nippon Bank, Ltd. 10,325 Banks/Financial Institutions 102
Channel 4 (NBC) 400 Cable/Television 104
Windows on the World 40,000  106
Greatest Bar on Earth 13,333  107
World Trade Club 13,333  107
Channel 5 (WNYW) 200 Cable/Television 110
Channel 31 (WBIS) 1,400 Cable/Television 110
Channel 47 (WNJU) 800 Cable/Television 110
Channel 2 (WCBS) 400 Cable/Television 110
Channel 11 (WPIX) 400 Cable/Television 110

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Building: 2 World Trade Center - South Tower

Tenant SF Leased Industry Floor
Continental Insurance Company 40,000
CINDE N/A
Xerox Document Company 5,400 Manufacturing BSMT
Johnston & Murphy N/A  CNCR
Nichols Foundation, Inc. 1,000 Government GRND
Verizon Communications 155,490 Communications LL,9-12
Colortek Kodak Imaging Center 731 Personal Services 1
EuroBrokers, Inc. 32,104 Financial Institutions 12
Union Bank of California 25,146 Financial Institutions 14
Patinka International (USA) Inc. N/A Personal Services 14
Charna Chemicals, Inc. N/A Manufacturing 14
Paging Network of New York 19,203 Communications 14
Mancini Duffy 28,091 Engineers/Architects 15,22
Candia Shipping 1,600 Retailers/Wholesalers 15
John W. Loofbourrow Associates, Inc. 1,807 Financial Institutions 15
John J. McMullen Associates, Inc. 15,000 Engineers/Architects 15
Orient International N/A  15
James T. Ratner, Law Office of N/A Law Firms 15
National Development & Research Institute 44,325 Personal Services 16
N.Y. Institute of Finance 24,539 Business Services 17
Showtime Pictures 5,470 Business Services 18,107
Professional Assistance & Consulting 1,163 Business Services 18
Intera Group Inc. 1,180 Business Services 18
Alliance Consulting N/A Business Services 18
Pines Investment, Inc. N/A  18
Caserta & Company N/A  18
Law Offices of Abad, Castilla, and Mallonga N/A Law Firms 18
Weiland International 1,000 Financial Institutions 18
Chen, Lin, Li, & Jiang, LLP 1,994 Financial Institutions 18
Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor 2,000 Government 19
N.Y. Shipping Association 80,000 Transportation 19,20
Thacher, Proffitt & Wood 120,000 Law Firms 20,38-40
Career Engine 7,183 Personal Services 21
Adecco SA 2,000 Business Services 21
Charoen Pokphand USA, Inc. 2,000 Transportation 21
Sinochem American Holdings, Inc. N/A Financial Institutions 22
Washington Mutual, Inc. 1,117  22
Antal International, Inc. 2,086 Business Services 22
SCOR U.S. Corporation 59,000 Insurance 23,24
Unistrat Corporation of America 10,000 Business Services 23
Allstate Insurance Company N/A Insurance 24
TD Waterhouse Group, Inc. 18,591 Financial Institutions 24
China Chamber of Commerce, Inc. N/A Personal Services 24
Globe Tour & Travel N/A Transportation 24
Sinolion (USA) 694  24
December First Productions, LLC 821  24
Sun Microsystems, Inc. 89,162 Computers/Data Processing 25,26
New York Stock Exchange, Inc. 10,853  28-30
Big A Travel Agency N/A Transportation 28
Law Office of Joseph Bellard 3,400 Law Firms 28
Hua Nan Commercial Bank Ltd. 12,500 Financial Institutions 28
Weatherly Securities Corp. 18,801 Financial Institutions 29
Hartford Steam Boiler 1,600 Insurance 30
Oppenheimer Funds, Inc. 231,000 Financial Institutions 31,32
Commerzbank Capital Markets 45,540 Financial Institutions 32
ABN-AMRO, Inc. 40,000 Financial Institutions 35
Frenkel & Company, Inc. 59,670 Insurance 35,36
Sitailong International USA, Inc. N/A  40
Morgan Stanley 840,000 Financial Institutions 43-46,56,59-74
Guy Carpenter 320,000 Insurance 47-54
Seabury & Smith 40,000 Insurance 49
Garban Intercapital N/A  55
Dow Jones & Company, Inc. 72,133 Communications 57,58
First Commercial Bank 4,500 Financial Institutions 78
Fuji Bank 182,956 Financial Institutions 79-82
bepaid.com N/A  84
Harris Beach & Wilcox, LLP 48,800 Law Firms 85
Keefe, Bruyette & Woods 97,600 Financial Institutions 85,88,89
NY State Department of Taxation & Finance 73,982 Government 86,87
Corporation Service Company 22,916  87
Fiduciary Trust Company Intl. 245,156 Financial Institutions 90,94-97
Gibbs & Hill  Engineers 91
Washington Group Intl.  Engineering 91
Raytheon Company 48,800 Manufacturing 91
AON Corporation 219,133 Insurance 92,99,100
Regus Business Centres 49,028 Employment Agencies 93
Sandler O'Neil & Partners 30,000 Investments 104
Atlantic Bank of New York 50,061 Banks/Financial Institutions 106

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Building: 4 World Trade Center - Commodities Exchange Center

Tenant Square Feet Leased Floor Industry
Deutsche Bank 273,991 4,5,6 Financial Institutions
New York Board of Trade 125,000 7,8,9 Government
Overseas-Chinese Banking Corp. 6,516 7 Financial Institutions
Green Coffee Association 7,500 5 Personal Services
Gelderman, Inc. 4,000 7 Personal Services
Tony May's Gemelli Restaurant & Bar 10,000 GRND Retailers/Wholesalers

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[Building: 5 World Trade Center - Northeast Plaza

Tenant Square Feet Leased Floor Industry
JP Morgan Chase & Co. N/A 1 Financial Institutions
FedEx Corporation N/A 1 Transportation
The Charles Schwab Corporation N/A CNCR Financial Institutions
Morgan Stanley 325,200 4,5,6 Financial Institutions
Credit Suisse First Boston 179,244 7,8,9 Financial Institutions
US Airways 400  Transportation
Sam Goody 4,000 CNCR Retailers/Wholesalers
American Airlines N/A CNCR,PLAZ Transportation
Lower Manhattan Cultural Council 4,467 9 Personal Services
Howard Publications, Inc. 1,180 9 Manufacturing
Council of State Governments N/A 9 Government
Children's Discovery Center N/A PLAZ Personal Services
Affiliated Physicians of St. Vincent 6,250 3 Medical
NYS Court of Claims 24,909 8 Government
World Trade Center Dental Group 4,500 3 Medical
DHL Courier Services N/A 1
Perfumeria Milano 1,200 CNCR Retailers/Wholesalers
American Shipper Magazine N/A 9 Manufacturing
Express Mail N/A  Government
Our Planet Mgmt. Institute, Ltd. 5,500 9 Personal Services
Hunan Resources & Tech. Institute N/A 9
Hon. Christopher J. Mega N/A 8
Daniel Pehr, Inc. 1,000 LBBY Personal Services
Borders Books & Music N/A PLAZ Retailers/Wholesalers
Continental Forwarding N/A 8 Transportation

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Building: 6 World Trade Center - U.S. Customs House

Tenant Square Feet Leased Floor Industry
U.S. Department of Commerce 4,500 6 Government
BATF (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms) 1,200 2,6 Government
U.S. Department of Agriculture - AAPHIS N/A 2 Government
U.S. Department of Labor 10,200 6 Government
Export-Import Bank of the U.S. N/A 6 Financial Institutions
Eastco Building Services N/A

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Building: 7 World Trade Center

Tenant Square Feet Leased Floor Industry
Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 GRND,1-6,13,18-46 Financial Institutions
Internal Revenue Service Regional Council 90,430 24,25 Government
U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government
American Express Bank International 106,117 7,8,13 Financial Institutions
Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10,13,26,27 Financial Institutions
Provident Financial Management 9,000 7,13 Financial Institutions
ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19-21
First State Management Group, Inc 4,000 21 Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institutions
NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11,12,13 Financial Institutions
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt 45,815 23 Government

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/tenants1.html


paula-c

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List of World Trade Center tenants
Built in 1970, the World Trade Center housed more than 430 companies from 28 countries. They were engaged in a wide variety of commercial activities, including banking and finance, insurance, transportation, import and export companies, customs brokerage, trade associations and representatives of foreign governments.

An estimated 50,000 people worked in the World Trade Center, and another 140,000 visited the complex daily. Below is a list of tenants that had office space in the twin towers and four other buildings in the complex.

Tower 1 | Tower 2 | Building 4 | Building 5 | Building 6 | Building 7

Building: 1 World Trade Center - North Tower

Tenant SF Leased Industry Floor
Alan Anthony N/A Business Services
Royal Thai Embassy Office N/A Government
NY Coffee Station N/A
Tes USA, Inc. 400 Financial Institutions
Strawberry 7,106 Retailers/Wholesalers CNCR
Ann Taylor Loft 7,200   CNCR
Delta Airlines 400 Transportation LBBY
Olympia Airport Express N/A  LBBY
Avis N/A  LBBY
Port Authority of New York & New Jersey 22,411 Government 3,14,19,24,28,31
Geiger & Geiger 1,588 Law Firms 4,25,78
Gayer, Shyu & Wiesel 800 Accountants 5
Thai Farmers Bank 4,512 Financial Institutions 7
Amerson Group Co., Inc. N/A Personal Services 8
Bank of America 132,586 Financial Institutions 9-11,81

credit to Bank of America was supported by the catalog.
And had another loan granted by the Bank for $ 200 million, and secured, this time with the catalogue of songs by The Beatles?

Grace

Quote from: GINAFELICIA on August 15, 2011, 11:33:30 AM

Well they said he left with Brando on 9/11 I think, after the attacks.
But I am not sure.

Page 4 of this thread - the story of leaving with Marlon Brando is pure phantasy.
There are fans who claim to have seen him leaving with the kids.
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3) Picking one major point of interest that was cited:
a meeting on top of WTC in the morning of Sept 11, 2001 that was cancelled.
There were news in British controlled press that Michael drove off NY together with Elizabeth Taylor and Marlon Brando after the attacks. The fact that this story was more or less only reported in British tabloids and that it appeared in May 2011 only - well fitting timewise - makes this most likely to have been a planted and invented story.
So what really happened that day?

Checking Sept 11, 2001, this is what is to be found in the net:
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NEW YORK SEPTEMBER 11 2001?
Joined: Jan 2008
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 20:07
Miss Moonstreet:

>did you know Michael was in New York September 11 2001?
all you newbies, fans and members
September 2001 was Michael Mania in New York. It was soo crazy, YOU ROCK MY WORLD had been "leaked" to a radio
station, Michael made a surprise appearance at the VMA'S with NSYNC and then the 2 huge concerts friday September 7 and Monday Spentember 10 2001.
The morning of tuesday Spetember 11, about 40 fans were outside the PALACE HOTEL, where Michael and his children were staying, along with his staff and dancers and musicians.

9AM and our world changed forever
That day still haunts me, and all the other MJ fans, who were there for the 2 MSG concerts.
Me and my friends were supposed to fly home to Ireland that day. We had checked out of our hotel early in the morning and dragged our luggage to Michaels hotel, where we had planned to spend the day until going to the airport in the evening for our flight. At about 9 am I decide to go to the deli for breakfast for us and thats when people started screaming and poniting to the sky and our lives changed forever. That day and the days after will haunt me forever.
We are the lost stories of September 11, the MJ fans and all the tourists trapped in a city under attack, cut off from the outside world, scared to stay in our hotels but also scared to go outside, not knowing even when we we could fly home, with no money to sometimes buy food, trying to call home, but not being able to cos the phones where not working, conflicting info about flights from airlines and embassys and all the while hearing the endless emergency services sirens, and looking downtown and seeing the smoke and smilling it in the air.........
Together we got though it, all the MJ fans togther, making sure everyone was ok, sharing flight info, food and making sure everyone had somewhere safe to spend the night.
Those were special times. And one special person made it just a little bit easyier. The knowlege that Michael cared and was making sure we were ok when he didnt have to, made each day we were stranded just that bit easier to get through.
http://www.michaeljackson.com/au/node/237653

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Joined: Aug 2009
Boca Raton, Florida
United States
Friday, September 17, 2010 - 21:50
Lola7Pepa:
Re: MJ and 9-11-01

OK,
Just to clear it to you all.
I was in NY for both concerts, we were so hyper after the Sep 10th concert that we didn't even go to sleep. Around 7:30 am of Sep 11th, 2001 my friends (MJ fans from around the world) and I were having a breakfast in Manhattan. An hour later the craziness had started... We were shocked as we were watching the news and hearing how the planes were hijacked and how the Twin Towers were hit. We rushed out and as we were looking around trying to figure out what was happening (the Towers had just crashed) ... then a crazy person told us... 'hey, you heard... MJ had died, he was near the area" ... He saw us with our MJ shirts so he knew we were fans. Our hearts stopped ...

We knew were Michael was staying so we just started to run toward the hotel. We got there and started to call Michael... he responded right away... he sent down two of his bodyguards. They told us Michael is in the hotel and he and the family are fine and they are getting ready to leave.
They asked us how we are doing and told us that MJ feels terrible for what had happened, especially for the fans that came from around the world. They went back up, then came down again... This time they told us that Michael is very concerned and that we should try to call and reach as many fans as we can and find out how are they doing and if they need anything.
After a while, Michael and the kids were down getting into their cars and heading out of Manhattan. Not before Michael said 'GoodBye' to us and wished us well. He said that he had left some of his ppl behind to take care of us . Michael had booked hotel rooms around NY for the fans and had paid for some of the flights back. Some fans even stayed at the hotel were Michael was staying since they were already paid for.
I will never forget that day, as he getting his kids into the car he looked at us and kept telling us that we are not alone, he's with us and he asked us to be strong. Even in those moments he cared and showed us so much love. I was the only one with a camera and I have recorded Michael's departure from the hotel and those special moments. However, I have not and will probably not put it up. I haven't even looked at it since then.
I was stuck in NY for 2 more weeks before I could finally leave. We hung out with the fans everyday and MJ songs comforted us everyday... and knowing that he was safe.
http://www.michaeljackson.com/in-en/node/235660

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.msg342588.html#msg342588

Create your day. Create the most astounding year of your life. Be the change you want to see in the world! L.O.V.E.
***********************************************************************************************
"I am tired, I am really tired of manipulation." Michael Jackson, Harlem, New York, NY, July 6, 2002
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******* Let's tear the walls in the brains of this world down.*******

Time to BE.

paula-c

Playing a little with the numbers: Bank of America 132.586 Instituciones Financieras 9-11,81
9/11
6 +6 +6= 18.. 81 errrr

I think of this by looking at the post of Starchild

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20108.new.html#lastPost

~Souza~

Badkolo sent me this on Skype. I think it's pretty interesting and bec, it could explain the Times Square appearance:
http://io9.com/5830664/this-is-bullet+proof-spider-silk-skin-+-made-from-goats-milk-yes-really


paula-c

Jalila Essaidi is an artist and she is the creator of this, awesome, am I wrong?


Grace

August 17, 2011, 12:47:09 AM #595 Last Edit: August 17, 2011, 01:12:19 AM by Grace

A video in English:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILgwy5c6W04

Her homepage:
http://jalilaessaidi.com/

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With this work I want to show that safety in its broadest sense is a relative concept, and hence the term bulletproof. The work did stop some partially slowed bullets but not the one at full speed. But even with the skin pierced by the bullet the experiment is still a success. It leads to the conversation about how which form of safety would benefit society.

Breeding of spider-goats in Laramie, WY:
http://jalilaessaidi.com/2011/08/12/spidergoats/
Create your day. Create the most astounding year of your life. Be the change you want to see in the world! L.O.V.E.
***********************************************************************************************
"I am tired, I am really tired of manipulation." Michael Jackson, Harlem, New York, NY, July 6, 2002
***********************************************************************************************
******* Let's tear the walls in the brains of this world down.*******

Time to BE.

MissG

 :shock: :shock: is that a hoax?

If a bullet impacts on the surface of the skin even if the skin is protected I guess that the skin still gets a damage and also the internal organs.

("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


"Why a four-year-old child could understand this hoax. Run out and find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it"

Grace

August 17, 2011, 01:19:56 PM #597 Last Edit: August 17, 2011, 01:22:45 PM by Grace

MsG, that's what you'll find on her site and on links.
This is no hoax. This is how science works these days.

Create your day. Create the most astounding year of your life. Be the change you want to see in the world! L.O.V.E.
***********************************************************************************************
"I am tired, I am really tired of manipulation." Michael Jackson, Harlem, New York, NY, July 6, 2002
***********************************************************************************************
******* Let's tear the walls in the brains of this world down.*******

Time to BE.

Andrea

Quote from: MissG on August 17, 2011, 12:28:41 PM

:shock: :shock: is that a hoax?

If a bullet impacts on the surface of the skin even if the skin is protected I guess that the skin still gets a damage and also the internal organs.

I was reading a random fact list on the internet a couple months back and there's a spider in the amazon that makes webs 25X the strength of steel and they were working on trying to reproduce it.  So this spider goat thing is very possible.  But yes, I still think it would hurt like hell to get hit by a bullet.  A person would probably be ok though if it doesn't pierce the skin or if it doesn't hit somewhere crucial.

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