TIAI June 25

[Ijustcantstoplovingu]

Thanks TS for our latest task.


My feelings very similar to the previous poster, and when the lastest  Leaked song appeared, I felt it is most appropriate, I believe in deed God has a hand in this "All in your name" says it all for me.  

For me this has been a spiritural journey, something called out to all of us in some way to look into this, still happening to me, thats why we are still here after 2 years!

There are way to many strange things for me to believe it was a murder, all the dates numerology was obviously created years ago, could not have changed that unless the "murder" was planned from years ago which I greatly doubt.  The memorial date 7/7, the gap between memorial and funeral, (all the dates) right down to the 09/09/09 on the autopsy final page was that a coincidence, dont think so.

Im not that good at expressing these points, but for me TS not a murder, I believe if it was a murder we would have had prompt memorial/funeral, court case all over and done with very quickly so as not to draw attention and cause all the controversy.

The family dont seem to be that worried, if it had been my family would have created huge fuss, got all MJ supporters protesting it could have created huge fuss, but no they go off write books, do interviews, say they no who was responsible and nothing happens, dont believe myself that there will ever be a trial.


I think we are going towards an event which will change the world, the last 2 years have been a huge learning experience for me.

My faith is huge in this, Im still here and here I will stay until we know the truth one way or another.


L.O.V.E. is the answer

 respect/  typing/


post script .... just come across this full version of All in your name.....  listen to the lyrics in my humble opinion, this says it all the reasons this has happened  NO WAR ...  PEACE ONLY LOVE IS THE ANSWER  this is it!  the timing and the date of release just perfect for me You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

[2good2btrue]

I want to know "Who really hired Dr Conrad Murray?"

If it was Michael that chose him to be his doctor for the tour, then it is definetly is a HOAX..planned by MJ.  He offers this family Dr, one who know his children well, and who is in finacial arrears, to play a major role in this hoax....and gets paid a handsome amount.

But if he was hired by the 'Illuminati", then its murder.

And why involve a Dr in the first place???  Why didn't he just chose to die of a heart attack at home, while sleeping.??  Why involve a court case and manslaughter trial ?

TO BUY TIME, thats why....to raise questions, and to stimulate peoples curiosity to look further into the truth and find the clues...

The illuminati are not that sloppy....they would not leave a syringe behind with fingerprints on it. And there is no way anyone else entered the house that night and day....thats all for now, but I think its enough...

[2good2btrue]

This is what they are capable of doing....quite scary stuff really:

1. There are many Illuminated groups, with different kinds of secret
knowledge. Anything you might say about them (including this) will be
false for some of the Illuminati, but true for others, which only
adds to the confusion and mystery.

2. The Illuminati infiltrate and take over organizations of all
kinds, from churches to the post office to the corner grocery store,
and turn them to their own ends.

3. And, just as a black joke, some of their subject organizations
advertise themselves as Secret Societies!

4. They have agents and ``sleepers'' planted everywhere. Many of
these people have no idea who they are really reporting to. Others
are active members of the conspiracy, working their way ever deeper
into the fabric of society.

5. They control the schools in order to make sure that young people
learn to enjoy strange tuneless music and weird outlandish games, and
that they dress oddly.

6. They also try to recruit the best and the brightest young people
as agents, to insure the next generation of the Conspiracy.

7. They constantly feud among themselves and war with other groups
and organizations. Each group of Illuminati is constantly striving to
increase its power base and undermine the competition.

8. Their first means of dealing with opposition is to buy it off. To
any group as rich as the Illuminati, a few million dollars are
nothing.

9. Next they try threats. Danger to possessions, status or loved ones
has dissuaded many a would-be foe of Illuminati schemes.

[glow=red:369ghllt]10. And, of course, murder is an ancient political weapon. The
Illuminati have been responsible for some of the most shocking
assassinations of modern times.

11. They also replace people with doubles. For many years they
recruited look-alikes who would serve their ends. Now they are
perfecting cloning technology that will let them replace
anybody.

12. Those who can't be dealt with any other way are discredited or
driven mad.[/glow:369ghllt]

13. The Illuminati conspiracy is hundreds, if not thousands, of years
old. Many of the most famous names of history have been Illuminated,
or Illuminati agents. Indeed, all of history is nothing more than an
outside view of the schemes and struggles of the Illuminati.


14. And, of course, the Illuminati are constantly rewriting history
to serve their own goals. For instance, modern schoolchildren are
taught that there is no historical evidence of Eris or King Arthur, and
they learn nothing about the Russo-German War or the state of Arcadia.

15. They control the news media, so you hear what they want you to
about today's news. Any event that doesn't fit in with their program
will be quickly hushed up.

16. In particular, they control television. They don't permit
intelligent shows to survive; they encourage mind candy that will
keep people from thinking. The only reason good shows are permitted
to appear at all is to convince intelligent people that nobody else
likes such material, and that there must be something wrong with
them.

17. The Illuminati manipulate the stock market and control currencies
on an international level. Your paycheck is worth just what the
Illuminati want it to be.

Theres more here, but you can chose if u want to read it....God bless
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[fordtocarr]

Interesting transition of theories, from "sting operation or sting court" to "illuminati outsmarted and killed MJ" or "MJ outsmarted illuminaty and hoaxed his death". This last theory on the other hand  contradicting "come back" theory, why would MJ wanted to come back & continue his "cold war" with illuminati if he is already free perfectly staging death, and "sting operations" because FBI and court majority people are illuminati & won't act against.
 If  illuminati  killed Michael, the motives are:
1. Lyrics of his songs enlighten people about reality and healing the world which is against illuminati goals?
2. They jealous of MJ success, some black man from Indiana easily earns millions?
If Michael outsmarted them, I don't see why he should come back and continue again be a target.
As for what exactly happened, I think family is the answer. Normally when  someone's  child is killed, the parent would have not sought  money remedies filing  wrongful death lawsuit. As Jacksons used to say about Chandler's father who  agreed to settle case for large $$$ instead of wanting to see Michael in jail "for what he did to his child".  If child is killed,parents & sibblings would have participated in  investigation case themselves to find out who is behind the murder & used CM as a scapegoat as they say. Only 4 years in prison for manslaughter is not what would be the right punishment for killing MJ. How Jackson can be satisfied? Then should bombard the prosecutorr with questions about tapes and why defendant is not charged with murder, why other doctors are not charged & investigated ,etc.
 Instead, we see them calm, indifferent, writing books, working, & spreading clues. After all if Michael is really killed, then Jacksons most disfunctional, heartless, bloodless, selfish monsters deserving disrespect & be ignored.

[font=fantasy:3s0i35tb]Your post just made me think...the family instead of pursuing legal actions, or searching out answers for Michael's death, as you or I would've done, you are correct, that they are selling books, cd's, touring...interviewing.  And, we wonder at this.  So I thought...THEY ARE ENTERTAINERS!  They grab the money while HOT.  Which again leads me to thinking this is all for entertainment.  Michael, the greatest entertainer, the planner...the showman.  I think that this Illuminati theory will be de-bunked like the rest and in the end..we will be left to see, it all a master plan by the great Michael Jackson who fooled the world.  Cleared his name, taught lessons about believing in the media and also in your faith in yourself and him.  He cleared his bank roll also.  Who knows how many changes will be brought in this hoax.  But, I agree with you...clues lie in the family.  They continue to do what they always do.  We always do what comes natural and to them it's selling their name.  This will...to me, end up being a show, and the family are in it...it's the Jackson hoax of the millenium.  [/font:3s0i35tb]

[all4loveandbelieve]

Ts welcome back. Glad to hear you are back. I was wondering, Michael must have outsmarted the Illuminati for sure, genius that he is. How about this theory, Michael needed an informant, that's where Murray comes in. Murray is probably in the illuminati, or masion, so who best to find out what the Illuminati wanted to do with Michael? Now last night I saw on CNN a documentary of Michael Jackson the final days, Phillips said to the reporter, " Michael wanted Murray", Phillips told him why, you don't need him. With a mean look Michael told him that He wants Murray to be his doctor and that is final..So Phillips stepped back and told him fine do as you wish.

Now here goes my scenario, this is just coming to me, Michael always had a doubt, in his mind, or the illuminati wanted him dead. So he met Dr. C. Murray, found out he was in the Illuminati and asked him if he wants to work with him and what ever he finds out about the Illuminati to report directly to Michael. So that's what he has been doing, Murray is the fall guy, he had to show the illuminati that he killed Michael with the leathal dosage of propofal. In reality there was someone else in that bed the day 25/06/ 2009, who ressemble Michael. The paramedics stated that they did not recognize the person, until they told him. I guess he did not ressemble Michael that much. Michael is alive today because Murray went against the illuminati, and he helped Michael escape. If you remember at the beginning the police were looking for Murray and he was no where to be found, maybe he went to the head of the illuminati to report the death of Michael.. Now if we add up 25, 2009= 2+5=7+2=9+9=18 Didn't we see Murray with a blue sweater with the number 18? I cannot find the  picture anymore. If anyone has it you can post it, it may be important to what TS is saying. (maybe not) Anyways, this is my theory for now, I usually don't like watching documentaries of the death of Michael, because I know he is alive and what they are saying about him taking drugs it gets me mad. Ironically last night I watched it and today Ts comes back and I added what I heard last night and what Ts wrote and came to the conclusion that Murray was Michael's scapegoat,(the fall guy) which Murray knows he is. He got paid very well from Michael.  He was the informant and that's why Michael outsmarted the Illuminati.. The family knows for sure. Just when the family talks in the interview they acknowledge that they know who killed their brother with a smurk on their faces. I think even if you know you wouldn't spread the words just for precaution, and to protect yourself and the family.  I will try to find out more info once I do I will post more. blessings to all ..

[MissG]

Thanks for the post! I´ll reply to your quotes but I am not replying to you. I know you copied and pasted.

I don´t believe in "illuminati" as presented now a days at all in terms of world conspiracy.

To me, The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups...Historically, the name refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.
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"The group" back then was questioning the church and that´s why they needed to become "secret".

11. They also replace people with doubles. For many years they
recruited look-alikes who would serve their ends. Now they are
perfecting cloning technology that will let them replace
anybody.

This sounds like science fiction.

13. The Illuminati conspiracy is hundreds, if not thousands, of years
old. Many of the most famous names of history have been Illuminated,
or Illuminati agents. Indeed, all of history is nothing more than an
outside view of the schemes and struggles of the Illuminati.

Considering that many wars have been created "in the name of God", let´s say yes.

14. And, of course, the Illuminati are constantly rewriting history
to serve their own goals. For instance, modern schoolchildren are
taught that there is no historical evidence of Eris or King Arthur, and
they learn nothing about the Russo-German War or the state of Arcadia.

This should be happening in USA then because in my country we learn world wide history with no exception.

15. They control the news media, so you hear what they want you to
about today's news. Any event that doesn't fit in with their program
will be quickly hushed up.

Hhhhmmm...we all know who control the medias, and the people who owns media. Is this site calling illuminati the jewish groups behind the media industry?

17. The Illuminati manipulate the stock market and control currencies
on an international level. Your paycheck is worth just what the
Illuminati want it to be.

Once again a reference regarding Jewish powerful families?



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[hesouttamylife]

It has always been  part of my theory that the illuminati planned to kill Michael during the 0-2 concerts.  However, it has also been my conclusion that he was forewarned of their plans and thwarted them.  I believe that the rigourous rehearsals that happened 3 days before the “death” was the beginning of filming for the This Is It Movie.  June 22nd is the date that is alleged by one of the dancers to have been when Michael’s security team all attended rehearsal which was not the norm.  I believe at that time, Michael was made aware of this scheme and advised that this hoax had to happen NOW w/in 72 hours.  He had to be gone within a timeframe to undermine what had been planned.  It had to happen prior to his scheduled departure for London or he would be putting his life and the lives of other innocents in imminent danger.  It had to be plausible and believable.  Murray, already hired, now had a different role to play. When Michael said his final words in This Is It signaled in my mind that once he left that rehearsal he was on his way not to Carolwood Drive, but to where ever he needed to go to be safe. No one witnessed Michael being worked on in his home except 1 security guard.  The staff were instructed to leave before he was brought down to be placed in the ambulance.  The ambi picture is hoaxed.  Nothing is black or white.  I don’t believe that everyone is in on the hoax who worked for Michael.  I don’t believe his whole family was aware at the onset.  It would have been a bad decision to have everyone in on it.  Grief had to be real.  Anger had to be real.  Emotion had to be real, fluctuating normally.  Acting can only go so far.  However, I believe over time that the people who needed to know have been aprised of the plans and their aftermath.

[suspicious mind]

here is the problem everything we have or think we have has come through some form of media. which we can probably only begin to scratch the surface of how it can be manipulated. even what we hear coming from the family and others is not really anything more than hearsay. as far as i know none of us were there to see him, to touch him to hear him to , to smell him ( guess i had better stop with that before some get distracted) , so in truth are we not all responding to something that is goin on deep inside of our own soul that is compelling us to believe that michael is alive.

[alsmom380]

Ok, this may seem a bit far fetched but please, amuse me!

What if Michael AND the REAL Dr. Conrad Murray is no longer "with us". Like, in protective custody. From here on out I will call the real Conrad Murray "real dr." and the fake Conrad Murray "fake dr."  What if the real Dr. was hired to kill MJ but his conscience got the better of him. He obviously wouldn't be able to get out of that one because he would know too much. He insteads go to Michael for help. Since authorities would never listen to MJ, the real Dr. tells all and gives proof. An FBI sting goes into affect with the fake Dr. acting as the real Dr....(hence the "does anyone know CPR" statement and the CPR on the soft bed. This couldv'e been put in place to make incompetency more believable.) The fake Dr. could be an agent himself. The real Dr. will have been compensated from Michael for saving his life. And compensated from FBI because he turned over evidence. Of course the fake Dr. won't go to prison. He IS the law  <!-- spenguin/ -->penguin/<!-- spenguin/ --> And the FBI is "following the money trail". That's what LaToya has been saying. And the involement of others. If this is the case the fake Dr. is the decoy in order to catch the "higher ups".

So, this would make it a homicide. A fake one, but nonetheless, a homicide.

I think Michael did plan a hoax for some time. But what better timing?  <!-- smj_bad/ -->mj_bad/<!-- smj_bad/ -->

[RK]

Here is Paris wearing a band that has her father's birth and supposed death dates; a recent picture from the kids outing to the movies last week. This will cause many a double minded person to waver in their belief.
Why the emphasis from the family now to dampen the hoax talk down? They have had two years to squash it, but are making an attempt now with LaToya's book, Jermaine's tweet, and now Paris's wrist band.
You ask the question TS...did the illuminati out think MJ, Or did he out think them.
Upon gleaning through the chapter content in LaToya's book this week, I was struck by the difference between who I perceive Michael to be :sharp as a tack, empathic, an amazing father, spiritually aware.... standing in stark contrast to to the image projected by the book of a victim with traits that have been reported on and played out in the world's media.
We have two streams of information running at the same time. Hence the confusion in knowing what is truth and what is fabrication. I put to you that Michael did indeed out think them and has been playing his role to perfection. He said it himself in the killer thriller speech. They did not think this performer would out think them. Yes, because of his profound acting abilities, they absolutely underestimated him. In TII, we were invited to discover the man we never knew, and it has been an amazing revelation. No victim...only victor.  The illuminati were sucked in and bought MJ's persona hook, line and sinker.  
These are my 4 o'clock in the morning ramblings. I will be back with more after a few hours sleep.

[MissG]

We talk about Murray, but MJ seemed to have problems also with some people at Carolwood Drive who complaint about his x-mas decorations for example. Imo, Michael may be Michael felt people were being too pushy. Who knows if some crack pot entered the home and wanted to attack him. To this point, nothing is clear. There is a man, Murray, who is waiting to be judged for Michael´s death. But, what about the others? Didn´t we read somewhere that someone else was in the room at that time as well? or was just gossip?

In any case, what we know is because media let us know. I wish I could have access to the real case and read the real documents, if any...

[CC]

I think that Michael outthought them and that´s why we have "that day and the other day ..." I think that MJ wants them to think that they did it, and I think at first they thought they kill him but now... mmm... maybe they doubt about the death and mybe thay are looking for him...
 confused/
I´m sure that he is alive but not sure about the how of this hoax...

[alsmom380]

I think that Michael outthought them and that´s why we have "that day and the other day ..." I think that MJ wants them to think that they did it, and I think at first they thought they kill him but now... mmm... maybe they doubt about the death and mybe thay are looking for him...
 confused/
I´m sure that he is alive but not sure about the how of this hoax...

Yes. Which may be the reason that all of a sudden the family is saying..."he's dead, he's dead, he's dead".

[esfema]

more of the same crash/

[paula-c]

well what I understand is that this level is to support the theory of murder and discredit the hoax, .. TS can begin to discredit the numbers? His own theory

TS wrote:

Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET


Today is 9-9-10 (CA time), the one year anniversary of 9-9-09! It’s also 77 days (inclusive) after the one year anniversary of the MJ “death”. And my very first post was about the 9-9-09 numerology, posted two days before on 9-7-09; maybe a few here remember this (it was posted on the old MJDH.com forum).

As stated in Update #6, Update #7 probably will not be before bamsday. I’m not calling this post an update, because it’s really not much new information; it’s more of a response and challenge to the critics, and backing up what I’ve said already with a $999 reward.

Outline:
$999 Reward!!!
The Coincidence Test
You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist
Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?
Answering the Critics
Does MJ Have Any Informers?
Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer

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$999 Reward!!!

On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.

Anyone can accept this offer, but they must do each of the following 5 steps.

Step 1: Carefully read each of the following three times: all of this post, and TIAI Updates #4b, #4c, #5a, #5d, #6 (especially #6-8 & #6-9).

Step 2: Start a post (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “$999 Claim, By John Doe [don’t use this name, use your own username]”. Include in your post steps 3 and 4, below; also, any discussion regarding step 5 should be done in this same thread.

Step 3: Show your calculations for each separate numerology (a. to l.) happening by chance {for an example, see the 12:21 phone call time, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.
Be sure to include:
a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)

Step 4: Show your calculations for the combination of all these numerologies happening by chance. Your answer here at step 4 must be 1 chance in 999,999 or less (because one chance in a million or more does not qualify for the reward).

Step 5: Allow me to question/challenge your calculations.

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

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The Coincidence Test

If nobody is able to collect the $999 reward: the only way out at that point will be to claim that a one-in-a-million chance actually happened. However, while it’s fairly easy to merely claim that it was all coincidence, it is much harder to demonstrate it. This is why I have created “the coincidence test”—so that people can easily see whether the one-in-a-million coincidence claim is realistic or not.

First of all, to help put things in perspective, if the odds of something happening by coincidence are 1 chance in only 2: there is still a 50% chance that it will not happen by coincidence. And if it’s 1 chance in 10: there is a 90% chance that it will not happen by coincidence. If it’s 1 chance in 100: there’s a 99% chance that it won’t happen by coincidence. 1 chance in 1,000 is 99.9% that it won’t happen by coincidence. And finally 1 chance in 1,000 times 1,000 (one in a million)—is 99.9999% chance that it would NOT happen by coincidence!!!!!!!!!

Saying that the MJ “death” timing and numerology all happened by coincidence would be like playing Russian roulette with 999,999 bullets, and one blank {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette}. Although there is one big difference: Russian roulette only puts one person’s life in danger; but with NWO and end of the world, millions of lives are in danger!

For those who want to play “the coincidence test”: it’s quite similar to a lottery, except fortunately it won’t cost money like gambling and the lottery (and also nobody will win money). I saw a bumper sticker once that said, “Lottery: a tax on people who failed math class.”

Anyway, if you want to try the coincidence test: start a thread (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “The Coincidence Test”. Then take a guess at what the last two digits (right of the decimal) will be in the Dow, Nasdaq, and S&P 500, once the stock market closes for the day {see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. You must state your guess at least 24 hours in advance; and also identify which date your guess applies to (use the date based upon a time zone in the USA); the digits remain in view for more than 12 hours after the market closes, so there is plenty of time to see if your guess was right (they are also recorded permanently).

Make sure you identify which two digits go with Dow, and which ones go with Nasdaq, and which ones with S&P 500. For example: Dow = .77; Nasdaq = .79; S&P 500 = .99; this will make a six-digit number (777,999), which has a one chance in a million of being correct (000,000 to 999,999). These stock market decimal numbers are quite random, and nobody will be able to know them 24 hours in advance (or control them); so if someone gets all six digits correct, then that will be a one-in-a-million coincidence!

Now we must not forget the aspect of opportunities, when we are calculating odds of a coincidence. For this to actually happen as a one-in-a-million coincidence: it has to be the very first person who gets the six numbers correct. Because the second person will be two-in-a-million, and the third will be three-in-a-million, etc.

If one hundred guesses are made, that would be a one-in-ten-thousand chance; because although though the odds are one in a million, the opportunities are one hundred (so 1,000,000 divided by 100 = 10,000). Nevertheless, if hundreds or even thousands of “coincidence test” guesses are made—it is still very unlikely that anyone will get it right!

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You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist

If nobody can succeed in the $999 reward, or the coincidence test—not mathematicians or anyone else—then we will all know the MJ “death” related numerology happened by plan. You won’t need to be a rocket scientist or a statistician, to understand that the numerology was not by chance.

And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.

Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc.

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Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?

And speaking of MJ planning intentional parallels with the Elvis “death”: although some responded very positively to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, and the Elvis/Eliza developments, unfortunately many others did not.

There are millions and millions of MJ fans; that is, if you are referring to people who are fans of MJ’s music. But far less people are fans of MJ the person! And if you are a fan of MJ himself, not just his music: the only question should be whether the Elvis connections were planned by MJ, or coincidence. If planned, then you should not go against what he himself planned (unless you’re just an MJ music fan).

Actually, the numerology alone should show that the Elvis connections were carefully planned, and not all coincidence (unless someone can collect the $999 reward). And if MJ did not want the public to know about the Elvis connections: then why did he put the MJ 2040 visible on stage where everyone could see it??? {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}

There are numerous other amazing parallels with Elvis, only possible if they were planned by MJ (they can’t all be coincidence). And several of these parallels were made very public by MJ—such as the title, “This Is It” paralleling with “This Is Elvis”, and much more {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php}.

Also, even though MJ and LMP are not married anymore: yet it is disrespectful to MJ (as well as LMP) to minimize the Elvis connection—even if there were NO other connections! Just a few days after the TIAI Update #6 on Elvis and MJ was posted, Jermaine spoke very highly of LMP and MJ {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE}. Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??

For those who opposed bringing Elvis into it, because people would think we are even crazier: so what? If the truth hits the public on either “death” (Elvis or MJ), then they will realize that we were not so crazy after all! Then they will be much more likely to come back, and hear what else we have to say.

However, if we wait till the public knows: nobody will pay attention to us then, because everybody will know by then from the mainstream media. If we rattle cages now: then when it comes out in public, they will be back to find out how we knew BEFORE it came out publicly! Then they will be much more ready to listen to the rest of the message!

Furthermore, even though Elvis fans have been saying he’s alive for 33 years, yet only recently has DNA evidence surfaced that scientifically proves Elvis lives! We don’t need to be intimidated anymore, by those who ridicule Elvis being alive as a crazy “conspiracy theory”; we can challenge them with hard DNA evidence, the Eliza court case, no Elvis relative has provided DNA to disprove Eliza, etc.

Speaking of Eliza’s case, and the next step: there’s often a 30-day window for objection to a Motion for Summary Judgment. For now, though, let’s wait until there are major developments in Eliza’s case, before going to the media again about Eliza.

Speaking of Elvis and going to the media: this was another area of major disagreement on the forum; some in support of it, and many not in support. So on July 20, I redirected to the ALLJACK5ONS tweet about “media take notice” {http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson/status/10355780029; formerly You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. Yet to some this was not good enough, because it was tweeted about three months before my Elvis and MJ update (#6).

But the “media take notice” was referring to the hoax; we know this because the media already has taken notice of the homicide and murder theories. And if the Jacksons want the media to take notice of the hoax, then that includes the Elvis parallels—since MJ planned those parallels, and even made some of them very public (2040, This Is It, etc).

Last but not least: it was this very same “media take notice” tweet, which became the focus of the post by bec titled “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity”
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=0}. This tweet-delete happened in early August, which was after all of the disagreement about Elvis and MJ, and whether or not to go to the media, etc; and it was also after I redirected (on July 20) to this “media take notice” tweet, in support of going to the media with the Elvis connection. Therefore, if the Jacksons were against the Elvis connection and/or going to the media: then why in August did they delete enough tweets to keep “media take notice” at the very bottom of the page, exactly as I said clear back in May?

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Answering the Critics

Shortly after Update #6, there was a fair amount of discussion on a few threads criticizing TS. Several of the questions and objections are worthy of response; and in fact, a few members already posted some very good responses. {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6951;
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However, I’m going to add a few replies of my own. And let me make it clear that I don’t mind sincere criticism, because truth can stand up to questions and objections—the truth will prevail! The problem is when people make empty accusations, with no evidence, such as “TS is nonsense”; statements like this with no evidence are useless, and I won’t even try to respond to them.

Should the Jacksons tweet about TIAI? This was suggested and even urged by a few. Well, they can tweet this if they want; but it’s not very likely, especially not before bamsday. Also, they did recently delete enough tweets to keep the AOL (Army Of LOVE) tweet on the bottom of the page—just like I said back in May; see again the post by bec, “Strong Evidence of TS Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

Also, for those who want to disprove TS/TIAI: why don’t you ask Jacksons to tweet something against TIAI? Surely if they don’t do that, then this will be final proof that TS is not fake—right??? And if that reasoning doesn’t hold much water, then neither does the opposite reasoning (Jacksons not tweeting in support of TIAI proves that TS is fake).

There were also some concerns that I mentioned the concept of people being tested, and some failing the test; it was suggested that MJ would not do this. Well, what about Murray? Don’t you think many people have failed the same basic (prejudice) test—calling him a murderer, even before the preliminary hearing?? Don’t you think that MJ planned this test, to help expose the problems of prejudice and trial by media? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187832; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}

Passing the test does not mean gullibly believing anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it; you have always been asked to verify the evidence for yourself, and debunk it if you can, etc. However, those who refuse anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it—regardless of any and all evidence that has never yet been debunked—they are not at the A+ level on the report card!  

Speaking of trying to debunk TS: one particular member kept dwelling on my statements about “few” in on the hoax—claiming that there were more than “few”, so this alone proves that TS is a fake {see Update 4d, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. However, this is just another of many examples of critics not carefully reading what I said. The word “few” is always relative; and in comparison to all the stars in the sky, one thousand is a “few” stars. Taken in context, the “few” that I mentioned was in relation to this statement: “the entire state of California is not in on the hoax. ... only a relatively few people would need to be ‘in on it’” (in 4-36 & 4-38).

I never gave any specific number other than “more than three”; but if you read all my posts, you will find that I myself did mention several specifically involved with the hoax: MJ, family, Conrad, Kenny Ortega, coroner, hospital, FBI, TMZ, etc. And there are many others (friends/celebrities) who may not have a direct role, and yet understand that it’s a hoax (much like us).

For those who have suggested that TS edits posts later to hide mistakes, etc: notice that Update #4d (referenced above) has not been edited even once (see bottom of the post). I do not edit posts after posting them, except when adding a link to new parts—and that is only a few days later at most (see for example the bottom of Update #4a, #4b, & #4c, all say “edited 1 time in total”). Also, every TS post is copied onto several other hoax forums, where it would be practically impossible to edit them. So if you want to verify what I originally wrote, check it out on other hoax forums!

Another question was this: “why didn’t he [MJ] wear anything with the number 9 in TII?” Answer: he wore 777 on his red shirt, and had 999 in the vowels of the title (as well as 1998 again, which is 999 x 2, etc {see Update #5a, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. If he had 999 on the shirt, and 777 in the title of TII—you probably would’ve complained that he didn’t wear 777!

Furthermore, TII movie poster was officially released on 9-9-09; and TII itself released 7 weeks after 9-9-09, etc. And the “death” and “burial” was 77 & 7 days from 9-9-09 (resurrection). How much more do you want???

Yes, if you don’t use inclusive it doesn’t work. But it CAN’T POSSIBLY work with BOTH inclusive AND standard reckoning; so you MUST pick one of the two, if you are planning it out. And inclusive is the BETTER of the two options: because it is Biblical, and most widely known in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus! Also MJ used inclusive when he said “four more years” in the spring of 2009; normally that would end in 2013—but inclusive is 2009 (year one), 2010 (year two), 2011 (year three), and 2012 (year four).

There are two other major areas of TS criticism. The first complaint is that TMZ and TS are just playing around; and the second complaint is that TS return/bam predictions have not come true. These two subjects are addressed in the next two sections, below.

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Does MJ Have Any Informers?

Elvis/Jesse had Dr. Hinton as an informer, and he helped to write the book {see Update #6, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. And Elvis/Jesse still has Linda as an informer {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/index.php}. So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198&start=25#p189140}

Is the Jackson family the only informers? And if so, why have they given almost no clues for quite a while? And if the family is against TMZ, then why have they done interviews with TMZ {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?keywords=recap&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=50&sc=0&sf=titleonly&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=100&t=0&submit=Search}? Why don’t they openly speak out against TMZ? Yes, Jermaine did mention a complaint about camera people laughing in court {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}; but this is all that he mentioned, he said nothing against TMZ reporting MJ news and/or hoax information, etc.

And let’s go back to the beginning once more: why was TMZ first to report the MJ “death”? Some have suggested that this is merely because TMZ was faster than all the other media, and got the information ahead of everyone else. But would MJ be so sloppy, as to accidentally allow an internet tabloid site be the first to find out about the “death”? If MJ planned this all out so well for so long (see Updates #4 & #6): don’t you think that he would also plan what media facility he wanted to first announce the “death”?

Furthermore, if MJ does not have a news source in on the hoax: then how can he demonstrate the problem of the media running stories from other news facilities, without checking it out for themselves (which is exactly what happens when TMZ posts articles)? And if MJ did plan to demonstrate this, then what news company is he using—if not TMZ??

Even if MJ were really dead, it’s possible that one or more in the Jackson family would read the hoax theories on the internet. And if you are sure MJ is alive: then you can be certain that they are watching the hoax on the internet. And even if they read one and only one hoax forum, surely it would be this one (MJDHI); because it’s the first hit on Google, because you don’t have to sign up to read it, and because it is the only hoax forum on the TMZ blog roll {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/}.

Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the on the TMZ blog roll!

For those who have claimed that TS is only connected with TMZ, but not anything else in the hoax; here is the list yet again (with one more added). And this time there are sixteen ones with a * (instead of a #); these sixteen are all connections to more than just TMZ.

*1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
*2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
*3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
*6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
*7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
*8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
*9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
*10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
*11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
*12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
*15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
*16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
*19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
*20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
*21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
*22. “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}

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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer

TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?” And yes, summer is nearly over. So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?

However, although the critics will no doubt be eager to use this reasoning as soon as summer is over, there is one minor problem with this reasoning—and that problem is the following list of the others who would also have to be fake, using the same basic reasoning: Jermaine, 5 Brothers, TMZ, Paris, Ortega, Janet, and even MJ himself!

Jermaine’s “The Tribute” has said “coming SOON” for about a year now {http://www.thetribute2010.com/}; actually, it was originally titled The Tribute 2009 {http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22the+tribute+2009%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=5d0b50e146560710}. The “5 Brothers Enterprises” website—with BAM illustrated visually and in the audio—has also said “coming SOON” since December 2009 {http://www.whois.net/whois/5brothersenterprises.com}.

TMZ had a “big clue” for January 18, 2010; but nothing happened {http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/18/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-investigation-applied-pharmacy-search-warrant-las-vegas/; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. And in the same month (January 2010), Paris said “Daddy was supposed to be here. Daddy was going to perform this year.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5024}

Many already know about Kenny Ortega’s tweet: “Smee: Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out and the flowers are all in bloom Captain Hook: He’s back” {Sep 1st, 2009 via web; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. This was so obvious, that he got several questions about it; so only one day later, Kenny said: “... I was quoting text from Peter Pan. Please don’t look for hidden messages. Promise they’re not there. Just fun” {http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3706966897}.

Now if MJ were really dead, then we wouldn’t pay much attention to these tweets from Kenny; but if MJ is alive, then the first tweet was indeed a clue—and the second one was to deter further questioning. It is true that the first tweet doesn’t give a specific year, it only mentions springtime; however, unless he was referring to the very next spring (2010), then this tweet was essentially pointless—because it could be ANY spring from now until forever.

On June 14, 2010, Janet tweeted this: “It’s time the fans know the truth …”
{Jun 14th via web; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, verified account}. What “truth” was Janet referring to, that was then “time” for the fans to “know”? Perhaps that MJ is dead, and he was murdered? If so, that is nothing that hasn’t been said many times already. Furthermore, if MJ is alive, then murder would not be the “truth”—instead, the hoax would be the truth. Yet nearly three months have passed since then, and no hoax truth has come out publicly from the Jacksons.

Last but not least, MJ himself said at the London press conference: “see you in July”! If he really died, then this was merely a reference to the planned concerts in July 2009; but if he was planning a fake death, then the “July” did not refer to 2009. Of course he didn’t say what year, just like Kenny’s tweet; but once again, if MJ didn’t mean July 2010, then it could be any year—and therefore it would be practically meaningless.

Actually, if you’re going to include all of the above as fake MJ hoax informers, then you might as well include Dr. Hinton as a fake Elvis hoax informer; because Dr. Hinton—the very one who helped write the book with Elvis/Jesse—said Elvis would come out publicly in the year 2002, but it didn’t happen {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.

And what about attorney Mayoras, who is an informer with Eliza’s case? Back in May he said: “Eliza Presley’s court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer. … Stay tuned until this summer. That’s when the real fun begins.” {http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}. Summer is about over, so does “this summer” make him a fake informer? By the way “This Summer” is the exact phrase that I used in my Update #6—along with two question marks {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}.

Eliza herself knows that there can be delays, when you are dealing with court cases. She said the following: “Of course, any time that you deal with the legal system, you cannot predict a time frame, can you?” {http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_elizapresley1.htm}.

Like everyone else involved in the MJ and Elvis hoaxes, I can’t give any certain dates for bam; I can only give possibilities. And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.
There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.

What we do know for sure is that: “It’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}. This is what Jermaine said back in February, 2010; and it was stated in the context of the “airport” slip, so we know he meant the hoax is all going to come out {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.

Jermaine also reiterated this again on Larry King interview in June, 2010. “[Larry:] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine:] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. ... We’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows what really happened.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}.

Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already). But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members.

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I’m not going to take the time and space in this post, to explain the latest set of redirects; most of them were understood correctly anyway. For those who want to see a list of them, LilWendy has done a great job of keeping track {http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/}. Also, don’t expect more redirects—at least not until there are significant developments with the Elvis/Eliza or MJ/Murray cases.

Meanwhile, anyone can promote this $999 reward through any method that you want. But please do NOT reference You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login for the $999 reward, because sooner or later it will probably get redirected away from this post. Instead, use You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login for the $999 reward (and I will ask Mo & Souza to put a link from that page to this post).

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