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[GINAFELICIA]

I was reading that Jermaine was the one introducing Tohme to Michael.
They were also together at UCLA announcing Michael's death.
Tohme Ramez Tohme - his name
But I am reading Michael fired him back in March 2009 WTH is happening here ?

[GINAFELICIA]

Now I'm reading that Tohme was married with Randy Phillips' sister afraid/
hmmmm...I better stop here before I start to believe Tohme is involved in a conspiracy to murder Michael  :(  pale/

[paula-c]

GINAFELICIA wrote:

Now I'm reading that Tohme was married with Randy Phillips' sister
hmmmm...I better stop here before I start to believe Tohme is involved in a conspiracy to murder Michael

noo, and Jermaine and the whole family .. I believe that the family never talks about Tohme Tohme rr/

[MJonmind]

The events of 11 September 2001 and the threat from global terrorism have put the structure and composition of the US Intelligence Community under intense scrutiny. An important question in this debate over the organization of US intelligence resources is what role, if any, the Federal Bureau of Investigation should play in meeting the intelligence requirements of the US government in the 21st century. Many wonder whether an organization built to investigate breaches of law can rework itself into an organization capable of predicting and preventing acts of terrorism.

With the FBI's future status in the Intelligence Community uncertain, this seems an especially appropriate moment to review the Bureau's role in the earliest development of US intelligence capabilities. One of the most interesting, but least documented, chapters in the history of the FBI is the experience of its Special Intelligence Service (SIS) during World War II. Established in 1940, the FBI's SIS was the first foreign-intelligence bureaucracy in US history, created years before the Central Intelligence Agency and even before the Agency's forerunner, William "Wild Bill" Donovan's Office of Strategic Services (OSS).

The SIS was responsible for intelligence and counterintelligence activities in the entire Western Hemisphere. Although it was part of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI and the Department of Justice, the SIS worked at the behest of the State Department, collecting political, economic, financial, and industrial intelligence throughout Central and South America.1 Through the work of an extensive and diligent network of undercover FBI special agents and later legal attaches officially attached to US legations, the Service excelled in its responsibilities.
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for- ... cle05.html

Like MJ said he would be in the bed with Orianthi and the aerialist, so the CIA, the SIS and the FBI are in bed together .

I know it really looks like the leaf shadows on the ambu pic are the signature stamp left by the FBI, and Marlon's FBI cap is confirming it, but on the other hand it could be a subtle poking fun at them. All levels of authority FBI, LAFD, and LAPD, media, and more were involved with MJ previously and he may have just the right number of well-placed  friends in high places to pull this off, not involving the entire big (bad) FBI. I'm thinking the FBI's purpose is protecting the "genetically related" ruling class and the NWO agenda, not really the common man's well-being (sadly) although they try to make it appear that they do. Perhaps TS is only wanting us to dig into the FBI involvement idea, debunk it, not take his saying it as fact. This all is such a quandry all around. A can of worms. crash/  confused/
Keeps me here! lolol/

[PureLove]

the information of michael being afraid of thome came from june gatlin , correct? is that the only source? and that was on tape. we have seen and heard so many things that are fake how can we just assume this is real. :? on the other hand we did see thome with his hands on michael seemingly in an agressive manner .

There was a tape that Michael was telling June that he was afraid of him. He was doing all his businesses, and telling him who to see and what to do.. I don't know where the thread is. If I find the youtube video I will post it.. blessings.

Michael was saying that all his bank accounts and money issues were under Tohme's control and he was afraid of him. I watched that too.

[PureLove]

TS,
Aren't you a little bit late?

[TheMoonIsDancing]

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=18728

[paula-c]

Tohme at "This Is It" Première

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... &mode=view
Is Tohme tohme :?:

The video is not available
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEQ55ip ... tube_gdata

credits: makethatchange MJHD.NET

[all4loveandbelieve]

TS,
Aren't you a little bit late?

I told you he vanished in Thin air just like Michael. lol

[Andrea]

TS - are you a Top Secret FBI agent?    :lol:   :shock:   Are we helping with your investigation??

But seriously TS, any input you have would be greatly appreciated, as always.  I think we've made some progress but we're all over the place it seems.

I still go with a hoax court with some sting elements to suss out certain shady characters in Michael's life, as well as targeting certain "power people/families" in the world.  Michael's influence and contacts are world wide so I definitely think it's possible the FBI are cooperating with Michael to expose media lies/coverups/murders/terrorist attacks, etc, perhaps with the help of Michael's influential friends across the globe.  If this is not what you're getting at TS, why the re-directs to such things in the early days of TIAI?  Connect the dots, right?  Hopefully without getting the lines crossed and all mixed-up.

[Tigger]

If the FBI really wants a BIG sting, they should be going after the entire NWO globalist organization, including the intelligence communities, UN, IMF, banksters, Fed Reserve, current and former leaders of this country and big member corporations - especially the ones with government contracts. Sure, you can start on the local level with the police, DA, city council or whoever you like if you want to, but eventually it all trees up to the top of the pyramid. Yeah, that's right, the one with the eye on top. I have little doubt all of MJ's cases are related to this. Even a 3rd grader with an average IQ and grade point average can see what these elitists are doing. It's not a big secret anymore (although they think so). It's so obvious and too many people know the truth now. Alex Jones has been on their tails for years, has all the proof and evidence. Even I wrote him off as a crazy conspiracy theorist once but now his audience has tripled in just the past few months alone. It's all laid out for those who like to investigate things. Hummm, "conspiracy". Sure has a familiar ring to it. Where have we heard that word uttered before, I wonder? Nearly every politician no matter what party they are affiliated with are in on it too so it's no easy task to bring these guys down. IF the FBI hasn't given into the dark side yet themselves, there may still be hope. Otherwise, WE are the last and only line of defense remaining. There's a bigger peoples' investigation happening out there. This one is just the tip of the iceberg but I sense related. Revolutions aren't just limited to third world countries either. Something has to give and it better be soon or thats just what we will have.

[2good2btrue]

If the FBI really wants a BIG sting, they should be going after the entire NWO globalist organization, including the intelligence communities, UN, IMF, banksters, Fed Reserve, current and former leaders of this country and big member corporations - especially the ones with government contracts. Sure, you can start on the local level with the police, DA, city council or whoever you like if you want to, but eventually it all trees up to the top of the pyramid. Yeah, that's right, the one with the eye on top. I have little doubt all of MJ's cases are related to this. Even a 3rd grader with an average IQ and grade point average can see what these elitists are doing. It's not a big secret anymore (although they think so). It's so obvious and too many people know the truth now. Alex Jones has been on their tails for years, has all the proof and evidence. Even I wrote him off as a crazy conspiracy theorist once but now his audience has tripled in just the past few months alone. It's all laid out for those who like to investigate things. Hummm, "conspiracy". Sure has a familiar ring to it. Where have we heard that word uttered before, I wonder? Nearly every politician no matter what party they are affiliated with are in on it too so it's no easy task to bring these guys down. IF the FBI hasn't given into the dark side yet themselves, there may still be hope. Otherwise, WE are the last and only line of defense remaining. There's a bigger peoples' investigation happening out there. This one is just the tip of the iceberg but I sense related. Revolutions aren't just limited to third world countries either. Something has to give and it better be soon or thats just what we will have.

You tell em' Tigger...and welcome to the madhouse we call home.. lolol/  lolol/  lolol/

Tohme R Tohme was seen everywhere up until his MJ's disappearance..then, conveniently, hands back alot of cash to the family..things that make you go hmmmmmm..

He "supervises" MJ at the 02 announcement and seems to "own" him.  All we can go on, is what we read and see.  To me, this guy is very "Fishy"...part of a bigger plan.

TS...Tohme Sucks

[GINAFELICIA]

If the FBI really wants a BIG sting, they should be going after the entire NWO globalist organization, including the intelligence communities, UN, IMF, banksters, Fed Reserve, current and former leaders of this country and big member corporations - especially the ones with government contracts. Sure, you can start on the local level with the police, DA, city council or whoever you like if you want to, but eventually it all trees up to the top of the pyramid. Yeah, that's right, the one with the eye on top. I have little doubt all of MJ's cases are related to this. Even a 3rd grader with an average IQ and grade point average can see what these elitists are doing. It's not a big secret anymore (although they think so). It's so obvious and too many people know the truth now. Alex Jones has been on their tails for years, has all the proof and evidence. Even I wrote him off as a crazy conspiracy theorist once but now his audience has tripled in just the past few months alone. It's all laid out for those who like to investigate things. Hummm, "conspiracy". Sure has a familiar ring to it. Where have we heard that word uttered before, I wonder? Nearly every politician no matter what party they are affiliated with are in on it too so it's no easy task to bring these guys down. IF the FBI hasn't given into the dark side yet themselves, there may still be hope. Otherwise, WE are the last and only line of defense remaining. There's a bigger peoples' investigation happening out there. This one is just the tip of the iceberg but I sense related. Revolutions aren't just limited to third world countries either. Something has to give and it better be soon or thats just what we will have.

If we are the last and only line of defense - they have nothing to fear about.
Anyway, if we look back in the history, all empires have a natural cicle of life, they rise - glow and eventually fall.
Are the NWO organisations better than that?

[navibl]

The FBI or any other Gov intelligence will not go after their own.  They are part of NWO.  However key players outside and in, have a purpose to uncover the people in Michael's life that meant him harm, that work for members of the elite.  Once in the courtoom it will become appearent who these people are and they will ultimately tell on themselves because they have not been prepared all along for Michael to do what he has done.  They now think he is gone, so they will show their true colors, as where they would not to his face or to the public while he was here.

We will then see just how deep the rabbit hole goes.  Most of the people on the surface don't know who they work for, they are just the puppets, paid well for what they do.  It most likely is a sting of a whole different kind.

God Be with US.  We know he is, and the only one that can fix this mess.  It is all out of our control.

[MsTrinity333]

Tohme Tohme... Reminds me of that double headed ssssnake in L7W's video.  suspicious//

No doubt two faced Tohme is part of this tangled web.  Here's some of my notes from conversations with Kitty & friend last year:

At the death announcement, why was he there? How did he know so quickly and to pretend to be a representative? What's up with the money he took & returned?  Hand caught in the cookie jar?

kittycat
MJ took the precaution of having Rev. Gatlin tape conversations where he expressed fear and distrust of Tohme, and the fact that he'd done a background check. Evidence and a bit of insurance, I think Phil Anschutz and Tom Barack have shady business pasts too, and apparently go back a long ways. I think MJ was coerced into this from the beginning. Did you know Barak (Colony Capitol) owns 1200 acres adjacent to Neverland, that he is heavily invested in gambling in Nevada and had plans for "Thriller themed" casinos on Neverland? Think MJ went along with that?

kittycat
Forgot to add that it all started with Tohme who, it seems, was already working for Colony when he "suggested" MJ meet Barak and discuss refinancing Neverland. This preceded by Jermaine introducing MJ to Tohme as a potential financial advisor. Tohme said he'd talked MJ out of a 6 month residency in Vegas and into the AEG concerts in London. He "convinced MJ that summer in England would be better for the kids than summer in Las Vegas." The Vegas shows would have paid MJ $100M. Tohme is on the payroll of one of the backers of This Is It. (Colony Cap) From the London Eve.

I think MJ went to someone high up in law enforcement for help--coercion & racketeering (one of the criteria for Witness Protection), then the request for a favor in return-assisting the DEA. Putting the 2 together explains everything & nothing else does.

kittycat
Business time line MJ is BRILLIANT!! Watch the dates.   mj_dance/
Michael Jackson's original loan holder, Fortress Investment Group, slated Neverland Ranch for public auction if the loan, exceeding $24M, remained unpaid on March 19, 2008. MJ managed a last-ditch deal with Fortress by March 13, 2008. In May 2008 Colony Capital buys the loan - this is where Tohme introduced MJ & Tom Barrak of Colony. I don't know when Tohme met Jermaine, but I'd bet he pursued him as a way to get to MJ. Part of the deal with Colony was that MJ could put off making payments for a while in exchange for more $$ down the road. In Sept 2008 MJ has Rev June Gatlin record conversations where he expresses fear & distrust of Tohme.  In Nov 2008 MJ transfers ownership of Neverland to Sycamore Valley Ranch Co. LLC - Neverland was called Sycamore Valley Ranch when MJ bought it. A listing on the CA Sec of State web site does not ID the owners of SVR Co but it has the same Century City address as Colony Capital. USA Today reports MJ filed a grant deed on the ranch showing SVR Co as the owner of Neverland, and that SVR Co is a joint venture between MJ & Colony Capital. So 2 months after the Gatlin phone recordings MJ retains part ownership of Neverland, which his estate now controls. Tom Barrak cannot develop the land without their participation.  End of 08 or beginning of 09 MJ rehires trusted legal/mgmt team. These lawyers turn out to be executors of his will Oh What a Surprise. Jan April 2009 Nurse Lee treats MJ as nutritionist. She runs blood tests & gives vit/mineral IV-sees no sign of drug use. Feb 2009 MJ passes ins physical/drug test.   lolol/

April 2009 Tohme sends James Weller of TRW Advertising (Tohme Rogich Weller) to see Darren Julien of Julien's Auction House Beverly Hills. Long story short ask if you want it -on Tohme's instructions Julien's life is threatened if he goes ahead with the auction of MJ's possessions taken from Neverland on Tohme's authority. LAPD are involved & the dispute is settled, sort of. As of Sept 2009 Tohme had not returned these items to the estate. May 2009 MJ fires Tohme with Frank DiLeo's help. It is assumed the Auction House incident is the last straw, but maybe it was EVIDENCE! On being fired the next month Tohme threatens MJ & his family. May 2009 is when Dr Murray starts work for MJ .  Kai Chase is rehired. Aug 2009 Chief Bratton's surprise departure from LAPD-now heads a co that provides Justice Dept program support. E Taylor once described MJ as cunning. Now I see what she meant!   mj_bad/
...and I bet MJ set Tohme up at the Oliver event, to have Dr. Tohme's abusive behavior, get caught in pictures. What do you think?

Tom Barrak is One of Tohme Tohme's many identities is of a US citizen of Lebanese decent raised in LA. Fresh out of USC law school Barrak was sent by his employer to Saudi Arabia for 4 1/2 years. Tohme has another identity as an orthopedic surgeon from Saudi Arabia. Both men are in their early 60s.  Tom Barrak/Colony Capital is heavily invested in gambling. Very long story short, those investments were not paying off. According to NBC he was charged with realestate fraud and making threats in the 90s. He goes on to tell AP he was working with others to renegotiate the terms of MJs main assets: the Sony/ATV catalog & the MiJac catalog that owns MJs own music.

Tohme says he talked MJ into the AEG deal saying summer in Vagas would be better for the kids than summer in England.  Remember TRW Advertising? Tohme, Rogich, Weller. James Weller was the one who, on Tohme's orders, threatened Darren Julien of Julien's Auction House. LAPD had to get involved.  Tom Barrak held 2 days of tours & lavish parties (at Neverland) to tell locals he had no plans to make Neverland a West Coast Graceland (despite Tohme's claims that's just what MJ wanted), lawyers for one of his companies filed 20 trademark applications for the names Neverland, Neverland Ranch...Thriller themed casino. This on Aug 12. This request was hurriedly abandoned Sept 8 after the story leaked & Joe Jackson told the media Colony Cap cannot do this without our permission.

I watched that entire Elvis series--so glad you sent it, mmlj is watching it now. If you read my entire channel you know she and I got together from my asking her medical opinions....I had concluded MJ was being forced into more than he could or wanted to do with TII by AEG & Colony. It seemed that with his background check on Tohme that he mentions to Rev Gatlin, so conveniently on tape, he found proof of coercion and racketeering. Mmlj had thought from day one that he was somehow involved in a DEA sting, something she knows about first hand. She just couldn't figure out why. We put out theories together and it seemed to explain everything. Then to see that Elvis most likely did the same thing! It really does look like "they" tried to correct the flaws in Elvis' death with MJs.
If fans didn't pay such close attention and have the internet, it might have worked. elvis_/  

:D  albino/