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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 29, 2011, 09:41:30 PM
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Why is it whenever anyone criticizes the president someone starts cryingg racism?  Do they not have any other defense of the man. I couldn't care less if his skin was purple! The fact is he is a horrible president, the worst in the history of this country. It is ridiculous!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, are you serious? you must be a republican
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 29, 2011, 09:56:47 PM
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Why is it whenever anyone criticizes the president someone starts cryingg racism?  Do they not have any other defense of the man. I couldn't care less if his skin was purple! The fact is he is a horrible president, the worst in the history of this country. It is ridiculous!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, are you serious? you must be a republican
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and either very young or has a very short memory and didn't grade well in history class.
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 30, 2011, 02:25:04 AM
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This is not an issue of color when the American people have been lied to and duped like we are some kind of fools. The American people want to know wtf is up with all this double speak and confusion. I do not vote but I am very aware of what is going on when it comes to this sneaky crap these people are trying to pull on me and my fellow Americans.

Many people put their hopes, dreams, and faith into Obama. He came on the scene as some kind of Saviour after the chaos Bush Jr. and prior Bush Sr. caused their own country's people. The Gulf War was because of Bush Sr. and his son Bush Jr. carried on the chaos with the 9/11 towers destruction and then going to this long drawn out war that aint over yet. Now here comes Obama to continue the destruction of the USA. This is all a preperation to bring in a NWO regime.

I am not blaming Obama for this manipulation of his Birth Certificate because I do know about Mind Control and I also believe he was groomed for this occasion in 2008-2012 and I agree he is a pawn.

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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 30, 2011, 04:31:34 AM
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Yawn.

This is a campaign to discredit the President because he's black. Never in a million years would this ever be discussed if he was a white man.
So very true Bec :twisted:
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 30, 2011, 08:30:48 AM
For the people who claim it looks fake:

Of course it doesn't look like a paper certificate, why? Because the state of Hawaii converted all of their records to digital formats and had to make the old ones readable. It is also a very high quality PDF where you can zoom in pretty far.

The reason he released it finally is because it was distracting everyone from the main issues since Republicans and Tea Baggers can't seem to focus on more than 1 thing at a time. He released it and wants it to be over but you know what they are claiming now? That he was a bad student in school. It never ends.
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 30, 2011, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: "nWo"
For the people who claim it looks fake:

Of course it doesn't look like a paper certificate, why? Because the state of Hawaii converted all of their records to digital formats and had to make the old ones readable. It is also a very high quality PDF where you can zoom in pretty far.

The reason he released it finally is because it was distracting everyone from the main issues since Republicans and Tea Baggers can't seem to focus on more than 1 thing at a time. He released it and wants it to be over but you know what they are claiming now? That he was a bad student in school. It never ends.

For me, the jury is still out as to whether it is fake or not.  I found this analysis quite convincing, especially in part 2 where he looks at the signature and determines that part is pen or pencil and part is computer generated.


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That aside, even if the certificate is real, one has to wonder why it took so long and why now?   And, to my original question, if it is fake, why risk the exposure?  

I had hoped that this thread would not turn into an opinion poll on Obama as that was not my intention.  I was trying to narrow our investigation to whether or not the certificate is real and the meaning behind it's release at this juncture.
Often such controversial events draw attention from real important events that erupt seemingly unnoticed.  For example, there's been a big shake up at the top level with Petraeus taking over the CIA later this year.  Perhaps I am wrong, but I find it odd that an acting General has been selected when I had thought this was primarily a civilian position.  He will retire prior to becoming the CIA director, but it just seemed odd to me.  

And while I did not want to stray from my original intent, I do have to make one correction.  Reference was made in a long post to the 'socialist' NWO.  First off, one of the basic assumptions of a socialist economy is that the resources are owned collectively and not by an elite few.  So to suggest that the NWO will be socialist is at the very least disingenuous, because I think by now we can assume the PTB have no intention of sharing with us.
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 30, 2011, 11:39:09 AM
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Quote from: "jill"
Why is it whenever anyone criticizes the president someone starts cryingg racism?  Do they not have any other defense of the man. I couldn't care less if his skin was purple! The fact is he is a horrible president, the worst in the history of this country. It is ridiculous!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, are you serious? you must be a republican
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and either very young or has a very short memory and didn't grade well in history class.

bec and rofl i have to tell you , i have a husband who is almost 60 , well educated, and voted for the man and he can't understand why now and why when trump is involved and he would normally be saying the same things you are.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 30, 2011, 10:17:36 PM
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Quote from: "jill"
Why is it whenever anyone criticizes the president someone starts cryingg racism?  Do they not have any other defense of the man. I couldn't care less if his skin was purple! The fact is he is a horrible president, the worst in the history of this country. It is ridiculous!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, are you serious? you must be a republican
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and either very young or has a very short memory and didn't grade well in history class.

No, Bec, I'm not young.  I probably have kids older than you. And by the way, I did very well in history class.  In fact I have done a lot of reading and studying on this very subject.  Unfortunately, the things that are being taught as history for the past 30 years have been altered with a great libralistic slant in order to indoctrinate our youth into believing a bunch of lies. My complaint was whenever anyone speaks out against Obama or disagrees with his policies, bullying, manipulation, arrogance and down right stealing from the American people, librals start screaming racism.  Very rarely do they defend his policies or ideas with facts or a good debatable argument.  Now that is ignorance!  I did not attack you or anyone else personally.  I certainly do not appreciate the attack on my education or age,  which you had all wrong by assuming you know something you do not.  Remember, pride goes before destruction and arrogance before a fall.  And as for the comment made about which political party I am affiliated with, again it was wrong.  I consider myself to be Independant.  I follow my heart reguarding politics.  I want what is best for the future of this country for my children and my children's children.  Don't assume you know someone you have never met.
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
April 30, 2011, 10:48:58 PM
Hey guys, I'm not from the US and don't have a handle on this debate but I would appreciate if someone could enlighten me how you could think Barak Obama could be worse than George Bush? Seriously, America was ridiculed internationally because of George W. I have walked into relative's homes and found posters on the wall saying George Bush...greatest terrorist in the world.
Is the critisism of Obama because of the downward spiral of the American economy and his health care policies? All nations seem to be following a premeditated plan in this respect, so I think it's not so much who is of the appearance of being in power, but who holds the real power behind the scenes. In Australia, our previous PM  Kevin Rudd was booted out by his own party and his next in line Ms Gillard took office. It seemed sad for Kevin on the surface, but as he's fluent in Mandarin and has now been elevated to minister for foreign affairs, it was very convenient. Considering that China is earmarked as a future world powerbase in NWO plans and agendas.
So to my point in rambling on.. is this a political difference debate or should we expect no better because of corruption and point our fingers at the global elite who manipulate and manufacture situations to control us 'cattle'.
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
May 01, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
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Why is it whenever anyone criticizes the president someone starts cryingg racism?  Do they not have any other defense of the man. I couldn't care less if his skin was purple! The fact is he is a horrible president, the worst in the history of this country. It is ridiculous!

First of all what is the significance of this thread on this forum? But since you pose the question, I'm having a hard time believing you could be serious. The worst president? Hands down GWB - that is a no-brainer. Who do you think got us into these wars and debt? Now President Obama is trying to fix the mess Bush got us into. It's not easy to undo 8 years of Bush! The birth certificate issue is a joke, a waste of time. If it's not racist then what is it? Which other president has been hounded to show his birth certificate? But even after he did show it, that wasn't good enough. What a surprise!
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
May 01, 2011, 10:08:21 AM
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First of all what is the significance of this thread on this forum? But since you pose the question, I'm having a hard time believing you could be serious. The worst president? Hands down GWB - that is a no-brainer. Who do you think got us into these wars and debt? Now President Obama is trying to fix the mess Bush got us into. It's not easy to undo 8 years of Bush! The birth certificate issue is a joke, a waste of time. If it's not racist then what is it? Which other president has been hounded to show his birth certificate? But even after he did show it, that wasn't good enough. What a surprise!

You ask for the significance of this thread.  I assure you, it was NOT my intention to incite a debate on Obama's or any other presidential record, but to try and assess the meaning of the sudden release of a document that had been repeatedly requested for over 2 years.  Did Obama deliberately release it, or was it released on his behalf?  Is he being set up?  Was the release meant to distract us from something else?  Why was the document signed by someone named U K L Lee?  Is this some kind of joke?  

And, ultimately, I confess, when someone pointed out that Ukelele signed the document, I had to wonder at the similarity to the more humorous aspects of the MJ hoax.  This may seem far fetched, but I've always wondered at the fact that Obama appears at the beginning of the This Is It DVD.  There is a simple explanation, of course, but I wonder if there is a greater connection between MJ and Obama?  Now this may not sit well with the Obama haters, but I'm hoping we can look at this situation objectively to assess the deeper meaning, if in fact, there even is a deeper meaning.
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
May 01, 2011, 11:23:43 AM
My reply was not against you, Gwynned, I understand your post, but I wanted to say that the name on the bottom of the birth certificate is not Ukelele and I don't think it's a joke. But I understand there are those here who have the time on their hands to play with all this nonsense, which is fine. I'm choosing to believe that President Obama is a just a normal, highly intelligent person who was elected president, and Donald Trump is an ass who jumped on the 'birther' bandwagon because he has a huge ego and loves attention, and can't stand that we have a Black president.
So carry on, don't mind me ... I just think that everything is not a conspiracy , but if you look hard enough you can find something odd or suspicious in anything if you really want to. Some of these bizarre theories about Obama remind me too much of the ridiculous rumors and accusations that were spread about Michael.
I've attached here a copy of someone else's birth certificate from Hawaii which shows the same signature as Obama's. But I guess that will be dismissed as a forgery too.
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
May 01, 2011, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: "gwynned"
Quote from: "Is_it_scary"
First of all what is the significance of this thread on this forum? But since you pose the question, I'm having a hard time believing you could be serious. The worst president? Hands down GWB - that is a no-brainer. Who do you think got us into these wars and debt? Now President Obama is trying to fix the mess Bush got us into. It's not easy to undo 8 years of Bush! The birth certificate issue is a joke, a waste of time. If it's not racist then what is it? Which other president has been hounded to show his birth certificate? But even after he did show it, that wasn't good enough. What a surprise!

You ask for the significance of this thread.  I assure you, it was NOT my intention to incite a debate on Obama's or any other presidential record, but to try and assess the meaning of the sudden release of a document that had been repeatedly requested for over 2 years.  Did Obama deliberately release it, or was it released on his behalf?  Is he being set up?  Was the release meant to distract us from something else?  Why was the document signed by someone named U K L Lee?  Is this some kind of joke?  

And, ultimately, I confess, when someone pointed out that Ukelele signed the document, I had to wonder at the similarity to the more humorous aspects of the MJ hoax.  This may seem far fetched, but I've always wondered at the fact that Obama appears at the beginning of the This Is It DVD.  There is a simple explanation, of course, but I wonder if there is a greater connection between MJ and Obama?  Now this may not sit well with the Obama haters, but I'm hoping we can look at this situation objectively to assess the deeper meaning, if in fact, there even is a deeper meaning.


Obama has been trying to fix the mess that Bush left behind in his wake, yet people continuously point fingers at him claiming that he is such an awful President.  Bush is one of the reasons that the US has experienced an economic downturn, but people just want to blame Obama for it.  And yes, race is the underlying reason for A LOT of Obama bashers, NOT ALL, but many.

In regards to the signature on the BC, there is nothing weird or funny about that name.  Obviously, the person's name is a native Hawaiian name so it isn't going to resemble most American names.  There were a lot more native Hawaiians living there in 1961, so the name on the signature isn't out of the ordinary at all.  On the same token, Barack Hussein Obama II doesn't sound American or Hawaiian, hence the likely (and logical) decision to log the baby as 'African' instead of 'black' on his birth documents.  His father was present at his birth, and aside from the fact that he was probably asked where he was from, it wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to determine that Obama Sr. was not American, but rather African.

Finally, to suggest that Obama's BC is fake is to suggest that he is a fake/fraud.  Personally, I think that calling the President of the United States a fraud is heresy.  And to the OP, when you post a thread suggesting that the President of the US is a fraud, yes it is going to get political.

As an American who loves my country and respects ALL of my leaders (even the ones who I didn't vote, nor care for), I would love to see this thread get locked.
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
May 01, 2011, 12:33:10 PM
What do you mean by 'fake'? Why would they fake someone's birth certificate? Yes, I have seen a couple videos about this already and to me it seems like the stuff there is in it, has been added years later.

What does this mean? Did he like come from space or something? Pfft.. :P
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Re: Obama Birth Certificate - fake?
May 01, 2011, 12:36:59 PM
I agree entirely with @Is_it_scary and @PeaceLoveHappiness and others I am not even from the US, but have family connections there and it would be a good thing if this thread were locked. In addition I am appalled by the thread about the Royal Wedding and find it offensive, especially with what has been posted today.
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