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The pavement of the pics above does not match the videos and the "bell box" hidden under leaves is missing. In addition, a grey roof is being shown very briefly in the videos.This is my old post:You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginQuote from: "Grace"[...]Surprise: some more leaves (this time they are not moving only by overlaying parts of an arm but they are moving themselves). First, watch the leaves around the bell box. They look familiar, right? [youtube:3ccibrwt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdLON-hvsHM[/youtube:3ccibrwt]You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThese plants are to be found everywhere around the houses of the block, so the (similar but too blurry) leaves in the ambulance may indicate we are somewhat close to the "hot spot".Watch the video again for noticing the irregular flagstones in front of the hidden gate - usually concrete is being used in Caliland gateways so this is something special to keep in mind.This is giving another perspective on a rear gate we did not notice so far (watch for 0:25):[youtube:3ccibrwt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM8AWX2z-Go&feature=related[/youtube:3ccibrwt]You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginAn ariel view on the house (north is left):You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginNotice the small "garden" house behind the pool. Gray roof. Close to the fences / walls.A Google streetview is available for 144 Monovale Drive, Los Angeles. The mansion appears on the left side.So we check out whether there is a third "hidden" gate to the property.Searching for that gate turns out to be a little bit tricky. (Feeling again like in a fairy tale cracking the prince's brainteaser - a feeling I did not really could shake off during this whole journey in which the prince would ask riddles to be solved...)OK, my brain will give it a try.You will notice driving around the block on streetview (except for Carolwood Dr. which is blocked on Google) that the area is a little bit hilly. The mansion is surrounded by straight walls on Carolwood Dr. hidden by trees and a little green, high but irregular walls on Monovale Dr. hidden walls on Sunset Blvd. (behind a little hill and big trees) and some smaller hedges on Ladera Dr. However, on Ladera Dr., there should be no direct connection to the mansion, these should be separate properties.Now having worked the circuit around the property, I do not see any other possibility of finding the gate except it were hidden north / left of the garden housewith the gray roof (green square). (Btw. the blue square gives Elvis's former house with its main gate on 144 Monovale Dr.)This is a still with the "moving" gate:This is another arial showing that due to the hilly features of the area and the constructions, the gate is IMPOSSIBLE at that location.I noticed in addition - when comparing streetview with the video taken in May - that there is not any wild growing tree on Monovale Dr that would resemble those in the "new home" video. Google streetview / maps are sometimes a little bit outdated. That might explain slight differences.Conclusions:1) There was some guy popping up out of the blue in January and May 2009 reporting as a "neighbour" for OVGuide.com - a video platform site (former top 500 site). He was ringing the bell at a rear gate of MJ which appears to be new evidence (I saw those vids in 2009 already but could not connect... LOL). This man introduced the "rear gate" to us.2) The leaves of the plants surrounding the bell box from the video ressemble those in the ambulance pic pretty much, yet they are not only to be found at that bell's address.3) There may be a "hidden" gate of "moving branches" as the real gate to the Jackson family home.4) I would consider talking a complete different house and gate and that Carolwood was a smokescreen since I do not have seen any proof yet that the green "rear" gate does exist there. Maybe one of our fellows in LA may check that for us? If the green gate does not belong to Carolwood mansion, it is likely to be found in some hilly area though and may be located just across the street.5) This is a DEEP rabbit hole.6) I'd rather give my eyes some rest now. :lol:7) Maybe the OVGuide guy was just an attention seeker making this all up. But why would we have leaves in the ambulance pic? Michael leaving? So simple?
[...]Surprise: some more leaves (this time they are not moving only by overlaying parts of an arm but they are moving themselves). First, watch the leaves around the bell box. They look familiar, right? [youtube:3ccibrwt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdLON-hvsHM[/youtube:3ccibrwt]You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThese plants are to be found everywhere around the houses of the block, so the (similar but too blurry) leaves in the ambulance may indicate we are somewhat close to the "hot spot".Watch the video again for noticing the irregular flagstones in front of the hidden gate - usually concrete is being used in Caliland gateways so this is something special to keep in mind.This is giving another perspective on a rear gate we did not notice so far (watch for 0:25):[youtube:3ccibrwt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM8AWX2z-Go&feature=related[/youtube:3ccibrwt]You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginAn ariel view on the house (north is left):You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginNotice the small "garden" house behind the pool. Gray roof. Close to the fences / walls.A Google streetview is available for 144 Monovale Drive, Los Angeles. The mansion appears on the left side.So we check out whether there is a third "hidden" gate to the property.Searching for that gate turns out to be a little bit tricky. (Feeling again like in a fairy tale cracking the prince's brainteaser - a feeling I did not really could shake off during this whole journey in which the prince would ask riddles to be solved...)OK, my brain will give it a try.You will notice driving around the block on streetview (except for Carolwood Dr. which is blocked on Google) that the area is a little bit hilly. The mansion is surrounded by straight walls on Carolwood Dr. hidden by trees and a little green, high but irregular walls on Monovale Dr. hidden walls on Sunset Blvd. (behind a little hill and big trees) and some smaller hedges on Ladera Dr. However, on Ladera Dr., there should be no direct connection to the mansion, these should be separate properties.Now having worked the circuit around the property, I do not see any other possibility of finding the gate except it were hidden north / left of the garden housewith the gray roof (green square). (Btw. the blue square gives Elvis's former house with its main gate on 144 Monovale Dr.)This is a still with the "moving" gate:This is another arial showing that due to the hilly features of the area and the constructions, the gate is IMPOSSIBLE at that location.I noticed in addition - when comparing streetview with the video taken in May - that there is not any wild growing tree on Monovale Dr that would resemble those in the "new home" video. Google streetview / maps are sometimes a little bit outdated. That might explain slight differences.Conclusions:1) There was some guy popping up out of the blue in January and May 2009 reporting as a "neighbour" for OVGuide.com - a video platform site (former top 500 site). He was ringing the bell at a rear gate of MJ which appears to be new evidence (I saw those vids in 2009 already but could not connect... LOL). This man introduced the "rear gate" to us.2) The leaves of the plants surrounding the bell box from the video ressemble those in the ambulance pic pretty much, yet they are not only to be found at that bell's address.3) There may be a "hidden" gate of "moving branches" as the real gate to the Jackson family home.4) I would consider talking a complete different house and gate and that Carolwood was a smokescreen since I do not have seen any proof yet that the green "rear" gate does exist there. Maybe one of our fellows in LA may check that for us? If the green gate does not belong to Carolwood mansion, it is likely to be found in some hilly area though and may be located just across the street.5) This is a DEEP rabbit hole.6) I'd rather give my eyes some rest now. :lol:7) Maybe the OVGuide guy was just an attention seeker making this all up. But why would we have leaves in the ambulance pic? Michael leaving? So simple?
