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TS is it possible you are the FBI member helping MJ in all of this. I only suggest this because of your inclusion of the word WE when talking about the FBI investigating fake death/empty caskets scams every year.
Next is the FBI “Fake Funerals, Empty Caskets” article, conveniently dated 9-3-2010 which is the one year anniversary of MJ’s fake funeral and empty casket burial! “It’s a morbid tale involving phony death certificates, staged funerals with paid actors, and coffins buried with no bodies, but in the end, it’s just a financial fraud scheme like thousands of others we investigate every year. Earlier this month in Los Angeles, the fourth and final member of an insurance fraud ring was convicted in federal court.”[/b] You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.
But there is another answer, which should be very clear once you understand it; and it has to do with making sure that a sting operation does not qualify as entrapment. “Sting operations are fraught with ethical concerns over whether they constitute entrapment.” You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.If there were no clues about the hoax, then the FBI and/or MJ could be accused of entrapment. However, and I’m going to let another cat out of the bag here: the hoax forums are a very strong defense against entrapment. If the FBI or MJ were ever charged of entrapment, all they would need to do is point to the hoax forums as proof that anybody could’ve figured out MJ did not die, if they really wanted to figure it out
The focus now is going to be the trip from the house to the hospital. And most specifically: who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA? MJ himself, an MJ double (still alive), a real corpse, a dummy, or nothing?
Paramedics didn't realize for nearly 10 minutes the victim was Michael Jackson. As one emergency worker put it: "It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man."
The staff at UCLA just did their jobs. Jermaine is said to have confirmed the reports that were already out there. No one was allowed into the hospital if they were suspect to the UCLA staff/police who handled the security part. That is most likely why no pictures of Michael/the hospice patient have been shown inside the hospital after the ambulance arrived.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... 95128.aspxJul 01, 2009 By Alison Hewitt Staff leap into action as Jackson creates campus' biggest media surge in memoryWhen Michael Jackson's ambulance arrived at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center on Thursday, June 25, the star was soon followed by hordes of paparazzi, TV reporters, fans and more. The crowd only grew from there. News crews swarmed outside the medical center to report on Jackson's death. In what many UCLA staff described as the biggest surge of media on campus in memory, even bigger than the 1984 Olympics, dozens of Bruins from departments all over campus teamed up to respond to the unprecedented crowds. Their tasks ranged from keeping aggressive paparazzi from sneaking into the emergency room, to crowd and traffic control, to arranging a press conference with the Jackson family – not to mention medical care for Jackson. "Staff at the UCLA Medical Center really pulled together during this unprecedented event, from the doctors and nurses to the security, the media representatives and more," said Amir Dan Rubin, the Chief Operating Officer of the hospital. "As hundreds of mourners and press appeared on our doorstep, our team successfully responded to the unexpected surge of interest in one patient without letting it ever interfere with our ability to provide exceptional care for each and every one of our other patients." When Jackson's ambulance arrived early Thursday afternoon, it was clear that the hospital needed to react quickly before the swelling crowd got out of control. A call went out to UCLA's police department moments after Jackson's ambulance arrived, said UCPD Captain John Adams. Hundreds of fans, mourners and media massed outside UCLA's medical center when news broke that Michael Jackson was inside. "We were on scene one minute later," Adams said. Their job was all the trickier because the throngs began arriving even faster than the police did. "We secured the perimeter to make sure that the ER was still accessible to people who needed to be treated, while keeping the paparazzi out. We were cognizant that there could be people who were faking an injury or illness just to get in and snap pictures. We also worked closely with the Jackson family to help them come in safely." All incoming patients and patients' visitors were screened. Charles Young Drive South was closed to all but ambulance traffic, and police set up barricades of yellow tape, reinforced with UC police, hospital security, officers from the Los Angeles Police Department and elsewhere. Adams estimated there were up to 1,500 gawkers, mourners and media around the hospital. "We contacted the LAPD for their assistance because we knew this was going to be a large-scale event," Adams said. "We used their assistance to create safe passage for patients and to keep the looky-loos back." News crews took over the lawns at the medical center to report on Jackson's death. The hospital stopped one reporter who was caught sneaking in via an underground elevator from a parking garage directly to the emergency room, and Adams encountered another. "I'm not sure whether anyone faked an injury, but we did have one individual come in for treatment who was a paparazzi," Adams added. "We made sure they didn't have access to a secure area." The hospital's media relations representatives worked with Jackson's family to arrange an announcement to the press in a downstairs auditorium. There were some anxious moments as crowds of journalists and fans gathered in front of the medical center's main entrance waiting to be let in. More than a dozen hospital and campus media reps joined officers in guiding reporters downstairs five at a time, checking media credentials at the door and turning away fans. Reporters and bulky video cameras soon filled the space, and even though the room seats nearly 200, not all the media could fit. "We all did our best to accommodate an unprecedented volume of reporters on campus due to the extraordinary level of interest in Michael Jackson's death," said Phil Hampton, assistant director of UCLA's Office of Media Relations. "King of Pop is dead at 50," read a newspaper at an impromptu memorial to Michael Jackson the day after his death. Jackson's brother Jermaine confirmed the news already being reported. "The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home," he said. "A team of [UCLA] doctors, including emergency physicians and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour but were unsuccessful." The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department sent a helicopter to lift Jackson's body from the hospital to the coroner's office, and the California Highway Patrol was on hand to create a traffic break and provide an escort in case the helicopter was unavailable. On campus, the UCLA Fire Department stepped in to make sure a candlelight vigil didn't light foliage ablaze. Media relations representatives took calls and answered questions day and night. UCLA's Parking Services juggled the hundreds of bumper-to-bumper TV trucks from around the world seeking curbside access to the hospital, helping them park close enough to transmit live shots from their roving cameras. Some news vans ignored UCLA's parking officers and parked on the grass, where their tires tore into the lawn. "We provided public parking [at the regular rate] in structure 8, and we allowed the TV trucks to park in the north and southbound lanes of Westwood, keeping the middle open for traffic," said Steve Rand, manager of traffic, events and adjudication for Parking Services. "Although we have never had this many media in my memory – that's 30 years on campus – we do have an emergency plan that calls for this very thing." Two tow trucks circled the area, and public cars that parked in media slots were ticketed. E-mails were sent to UCLA staff parked in structures 6, 8 and 9, recommending alternative routes out of campus. Preventing pedestrians from crossing or blocking Westwood Plaza took as much attention as traffic control, Rand said. "Trying to keep people out of traffic lanes was a big part of our job," he said. "There really isn't a lot of room in front of the hospital for people to gather." A sequined glove, a tribute to Jackson's jewel-encrusted trademark, lay among the bouquets, posters and votive candles at an impromptu memorial to Jackson outside the hospital. Slowly, the press and the crowds began to let up. Many TV news crews left after a final 11 p.m. live shot, and although the satellite trucks returned as early as 2 a.m. to begin shooting for morning news shows, the street was almost bare of news vehicles by late morning. Campus and hospital media representatives continued to receive calls for days, and professors from across campus were called on for their expertise to comment on aspects of Jackson's life and legacy. But the same day that the crowds arrived on campus, they also dissipated. Facilities Management sent clean-up crews to collect the debris left behind by the hundreds of onlookers, and an impromptu memorial to Jackson was contained within a red tape barrier. The morning after Jackson's death, the hundreds had dwindled to a half-dozen, and UCLA staff from campus police, fire, transportation, the hospital, media relations, and other units began to return to more routine duties. "We worked really well with the hospital and media relations and parking and the LAPD and everyone else," said Adams. "I'm pretty proud of how all the different units on campus were able to work together to create that controlled chaos." "It took a true team effort on the part of the hospital and the campus community to effectively manage a fluidly unfolding and fast-paced situation," said Roxanne Yamaguchi Moster, director of UCLA's Health Sciences Media Relations. "We are grateful for all of the support we received."Dr. Cooper is reported to have called Time of Death.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... psy-reportDr. Richelle Cooper is who testified at the pre-lim. This is an article on her. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... ck_check=1
The question of whether all, some, or none of the paramedics are in on the hoax, is a question that has not yet been answered with at least two strong points which nobody can debunk. Nevertheless, between the staged ambulance photo, and especially with the FBI involvement: nearly everyone is agreed that at least one or more of the paramedics are in on it. On the other hand, though, so far nobody has offered any strong support for ALL of the paramedics being in on it; and if any of them were not in on it, there would almost certainly need to be a real corpse. Please don’t dismiss this possibility too quickly; it would explain the warm room, the paramedics not recognizing MJ, he looked like a frail old man, etc—and it would also decrease the amount of people that would need to be in on it (both at the house, and at the hospital).
Fourth, if the FBI is involved, why would TS expose this publicly on the internet? Again, look at the Elvis case. Why does Linda's website publicly expose the fact that government agents helped Elvis in the past and recently? Is Linda's website putting anyone in danger? No. Why not? Because the general public has never heard of her website; and of the few who do see it, many still don't believe it. Same for this MJ hoax website. It is not getting millions of hits a day (not yet, anyway ). Few are watching, most of which are merely forum members here; and even some of those don't believe what I am saying about the FBI.Fifth, there is more than one way to skin a cat. So let's look at it from the other side of the coin. If the FBI did not help out, then how could the Bel Air station not know something is fishy? Would they sit by quietly, and say nothing, while MJ hired actors and rented an ambulance to look just like the LAFD #71 ambulance? And why would the LAFD Captain say {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggewNtwvHJ4}: "On June 25, 2009, LAFD responded ... our paramedic ..."--if indeed the LAFD did NOT respond, and it was merely actors in a rented ambulance?Do you think professionals could ALL be bought out for money? And when the truth came out, wouldn't there be serious consequences for all of them? Do you think they would not be charged with abuse of public office--ESPECIALLY if they got paid for it? Can they get out of it all, by saying that it was all just for a movie--and this or that legal loophole squeaks them by? Did you know that legal loopholes do not prevent people from getting charged with a crime? Did you know that loopholes may not even prevent someone from being convicted of a crime? Different people interpret the law differently; that is why there are lawyers and judges and juries.However, if key people in the FBI are cooperating with LAFD and MJ: then when the truth comes out, all they have to do is show success in catching some public corruption through this process--and all is well that ends well. After all, once again, that is their "top priority among criminal investigations" {http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
Seems to me that the EMTs had to be involved. I just don't see how else it could have been pulled off. Same goes for the FBI. Didn't they release 333 pages of MJ's file? Is that a hint at the numerlology connection? Haven't had time to reread all the links. I'll get on that soon.
Quote from: "paula-c"or maybe not if this person already had a medical history with the disease he had and there was no autopsy. Good point paula.
or maybe not if this person already had a medical history with the disease he had and there was no autopsy.
Hi all,I will say that I also believe there was a real corpse in the ambulance.Because as TS says, “The question of whether all, some, or none of the paramedics are in on the hoax, is a question that has not yet been answered with at least two strong points which nobody can debunk.” I don’t believe that all of the paramedics were in on it because of the statement that was reported, “Paramedics didn’t realize for nearly 10 minutes the victim was Michael Jackson. As one emergency worker put it: ‘It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man.’” #1 the fewer people in on the hoax, the better!Also because of two things that concern the coroner’s office:First there is the initial autopsy report that stated that his “emaciated body was riddled with needle marks and scars, and his head was virtually bald… Jackson's body had wasted away to a mere 112 pounds, and his stomach was completely empty except for partially dissolved pills.” The second relates to a discussion I had with a guy on my job toward the end of 2009. I was telling him about all the things that were pointing to Michael not being dead, and he was definitely a non-believer. He said he had a friend that worked in the coroner’s office and who told him that she saw Michael’s body. And because she told him that, along with the news reports, he was totally convinced that Michael was dead. I told him “I don’t deny that she saw a body, but it wasn’t Michael’s body.” To say the least that statement didn’t go over well with him. Having an actual dead body was a necessary key in putting this hoax over. They needed a real body for the paramedic(s) and others (such as employees in the coroner’s office) that were not in on the hoax. #1 the fewer people in on the hoax, the better.Stay blessed!OnTheWingsOfLove
