TIAI March 9

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MsTrinity333

March 23, 2011, 01:12:47 PM #780 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"

Quote from: "mjaliveomg"

Where is TS?  :?
Maybe he or she is attending something about Elizabeth Taylor's death?  :?

Now i see TS joined the forum on March 20 last time  :?    ....strange, he/she used to post almost every day (night where I live)


I noticed this too... Got the news this am.  Strange.  I couldn't sleep last night and was up between 2-2:30.  I wonder when this all happened? The world has lost one of the last great cinema performers & the QUEEN of Hollywood. Peace be with you TS. <3
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Fide Et Opera

navibl

March 23, 2011, 01:24:02 PM #781 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "MsTrinity333"

Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"

Quote from: "mjaliveomg"

Where is TS?  :?
Maybe he or she is attending something about Elizabeth Taylor's death?  :?

Now i see TS joined the forum on March 20 last time  :?    ....strange, he/she used to post almost every day (night where I live)


I noticed this too... Got the news this am.  Strange.  I couldn't sleep last night and was up between 2-2:30.  I wonder when this all happened? The world has lost one of the last great cinema performers & the QUEEN of Hollywood. Peace be with you TS. <3
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Funny you should mention that MsTrintiy...I didn't sleep either...The Army's connections must have been working overtime! God be with Elizabeth's family and Michael.  I know he and her family is hurting.. :cry:

_Anna_

March 23, 2011, 01:47:38 PM #782 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"

Quote from: "mjaliveomg"

Where is TS?  :?
Maybe he or she is attending something about Elizabeth Taylor's death?  :?

Now i see TS joined the forum on March 20 last time  :?    ....strange, he/she used to post almost every day (night where I live)

You don't need to log in to read the forum. There are always guests who appear to be reading this thread. The last log in date is just the last "log in". You can log out and keep reading.


mjaliveomg

March 23, 2011, 02:23:23 PM #783 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "_Anna_"

Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"

Quote from: "mjaliveomg"

Where is TS?  :?
Maybe he or she is attending something about Elizabeth Taylor's death?  :?

Now i see TS joined the forum on March 20 last time  :?    ....strange, he/she used to post almost every day (night where I live)

You don't need to log in to read the forum. There are always guests who appear to be reading this thread. The last log in date is just the last "log in". You can log out and keep reading.

i know that..but he/she was login almost every day to check our discussion and give some news/clues or directions about the ambulance pic and other things...and now he/she just "puff" disapeared...strange

MJhasSpoken

March 23, 2011, 05:29:21 PM #784 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

There is a possibility TS might be MJ so that's why TS hasn't logged in or posted...but I guess we have to stay on topic...so the rectangle...clueless.


MsTrinity333

March 23, 2011, 05:30:28 PM #785 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "navibl"

Quote from: "MsTrinity333"

Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"

Quote from: "mjaliveomg"

Where is TS?  :?
Maybe he or she is attending something about Elizabeth Taylor's death?  :?

Now i see TS joined the forum on March 20 last time  :?    ....strange, he/she used to post almost every day (night where I live)


I noticed this too... Got the news this am.  Strange.  I couldn't sleep last night and was up between 2-2:30.  I wonder when this all happened? The world has lost one of the last great cinema performers & the QUEEN of Hollywood. Peace be with you TS. <3
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Funny you should mention that MsTrintiy...I didn't sleep either...The Army's connections must have been working overtime! God be with Elizabeth's family and Michael.  I know he and her family is hurting.. :cry:


Amen.  I don't doubt it; some of seem to be locked onto one another. I checked the time line... I was awake during the time she passed & fell asleep shortly after.  I was getting frustrated bc God was so silent and I didn't know why he woke me up. Usually its to pray for someone.  :cry: And for some reason my posts are not showing my correct time zone, :?:  it's an hour off...

Fide Et Opera

mjaliveomg

March 23, 2011, 05:35:26 PM #786 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"

There is a possibility TS might be MJ so that's why TS hasn't logged in or posted...but I guess we have to stay on topic...so the rectangle...clueless.

i dont believe that Ts is Michael..but prolly someone who is very close to him or his family..or not  :?

MsTrinity333

March 23, 2011, 05:59:27 PM #787 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

On the rectangle... :?:
Is there something we are supposed to zero in on or compare concerning the handle/handles?
IDK; out of my field, I don't do digital.

On the leaf pattern...  :?: it looks almost like a negative image to me. But what's it's purpose?
Laural has significance in many things Including my Clan badge, but these are not in the shape of a wreath. Wiki: in Rome they were symbols of martial victory, crowning a successful commander during his triumph. Whereas ancient laurel wreaths are most often depicted as a horseshoe shape, modern versions are usually complete rings. Nor does it look like the wreath of service...they look like the ones hanging around his property.
So I'm clueless :| .

As far as the paramedics etc I gave my answers on pgs  :arrow: 11, 16 & 18... ;)

Fide Et Opera

VeryLittleSusie

March 23, 2011, 06:18:21 PM #788 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

The "ordinary" TS (not TS_Comments) logged on March 15 for the last time...  :?

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MsTrinity333

March 23, 2011, 06:23:33 PM #789 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"

The "ordinary" TS (not TS_Comments) logged on March 15 for the last time...  :?

Yes, but it's the same person.  I think Souza already verified this.  ;)
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mjisthemuses

March 23, 2011, 06:54:40 PM #790 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

RIP Elizabeth Taylor
I woke up this morning with my radio telling the news about the passing of Elizabeth Taylor. This is make me down and have the same feeling back to June 25, 2009. It's repeating all over again.... :(

Ok, trying to go back focus on investigation.

I have a thought to answer the leaves pattern and whether the paramedic are on it or not.

Maybe (my opinion), the leaves pattern was photoshopped in to tell that Michael was in that ambulance (because it's look like the pattern forming MJ's face). He was inside that ambulance to give direction to the paramedic and Ben how he wanted the photo taken. So they could use real ambulance (rented) or even fake ambulance (it explain why the interior a bit different). Or maybe they take a photo of ambulance interior then join the photo of the paramedic and the michael in layers. I believe it's easy to be done, because I work with photoshop and do photo manipulation, so it's easy to make those fake photo without the real ambulance or real people.

So it means that the paramedic are not in on it. It reduce the amount of people in the hoax, which is bette.

So on the June 25, 2009, the real paramedics came answering the 911 call. MJ's people or family or whoever in charge or even Murray (I believe, he is one of FBI undercover) told to paramedic like this...."We know that Michael is the famous person in the world, but we don't want media cover his death, the family want a privacy. You just do the routine you normally do to a dying person, just bring to hospital. While we will go from the back door or we will later when all media gone to hospital. We make like a distraction. When people attention to the hospital then we will bring Michael's body out."

So I think the paramedics would do this if the reason if the family want a privacy and the don't want media cover his death.
The paramedics telling the truth in the court about the don't recognize it's michael etc. They don't lie at all, they just tell what they do and see on that day. They will not questioning the photo because they know that it's fake because they were prepared at the beginning that the family didn't want it's covered by media.

It's just my thought. Could be wrong could be right. Because If the fake photo made the other day, am sure Michael would be involved in the ambulance when the photo taken to give direction what he wanted, and the real paramedic not needed in there, also they don't need real ambulance to do this...peace


Im_convincedmjalive

March 24, 2011, 12:19:40 AM #791 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

[youtube:mfkocq0q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k5pbV5JTA8&feature=related[/youtube:mfkocq0q]

Here is part of a Bigger Picture. I really do not like being thought of as "We" especially in the context of frustration, doubts, don't know, and guessing. I do not need to guess. This is ultimately what the bigger picture is. Bring PEACE to our world. I am sad today for the loss of Elizabeth.  :cry: I have been quiet for a few days not posting in this thread but I have been reading.  :ugeek:

TS whenever your ready to resume this investigating "In your own time". I am waiting patiently and I am far from being frustrated by this. You are in my prayers.

Love u more.

Peace


TS_commentsTopic starter

March 24, 2011, 12:40:16 AM #792 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

RIP Liz.   :(

I took a break, and let things settle down a bit.  It really doesn't bother me if people make jokes about me, or laugh at me, etc; if I was easily offended, then I would've been gone from here a long time ago!  Nevertheless, the statements that some have made about respect are worthy of consideration; not so much for my sake, but in a general sense, because there are some people who are easily offended.  Remember, this is "All for L.O.V.E."

It's true that this is a very serious subject we are investigating; but it's also true that a good laugh helps to make it more enjoyable, and keeps us from getting burned out.  This is what I meant when I said "enjoy the ride"; I did not mean that I was taking the subject lightly, or that I would be playing games with anybody—just for my own fun.  I have never done that, and I never will!

I am going to let you in on another little secret.  The leaf pattern is not the most important part of the investigation.  Then why did I start with that, and why do I repeatedly bring it up?  Because it is a very good example of how to investigate—and more importantly, how NOT to investigate.  And in this one sense, the leaf pattern is extremely important.  Because if you use the wrong methods with the leaf pattern, then you will probably use wrong methods in other areas of investigation—and that is when it becomes very important.

Take for example the face that people have seen in the leaf pattern.  It is great to have and use good imagination in investigation; we should imagine any and all possibilities, on everything that we are examining.  It is okay to imagine a face, or letters, OR LEAVES!!!  But don't stop at that point!  Once you have a theory, then you need to try and DEBUNK YOUR OWN THEORY!  And let others try to debunk it.

And if you come up with a theory that has at least two strong points in support of it, and nobody can debunk those strong points; and if nobody can come up with any other strong theories: then you PROBABLY have found the truth.  It is easy to see what we want to see; but it's not always easy to see the truth.  MJ wants us to learn how to see the truth: "the truth will prevail"!

Take for example the shadows on the red car.  This is one strong point, nobody has debunked, on why the ambulance photo was staged.  But this is not the only strong point, in support of the photo being staged.  Furthermore, even with the shadow, I added a second and closer picture of the shadow versus sunshine on the front left wheel area {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18053&p=310880&#p310880}.  So there are two strong evidences of the shadow aspect alone; and the shadow aspect alone is only one of more than two strong points about the ambulance photo being fake (and staged).  This is how you build strong investigation.

Nobody has yet even made a serious attempt to debunk the shadow differences on the red car.  Souza said maybe a local whirlwind; but of course she was just joking.  It is theoretically possible, but very unlikely; furthermore, even if there was a whirlwind, we could probably find evidences of it in the video and/or the series of still pictures (with a whirlwind, even a split second would make a big difference in the shadows on the car—and you could probably hear it in the audio track).

Also, being early afternoon, the sun would be high in the sky; so something moving on the ground would not be in the right position to block the sunlight on the red car.  It would have to be something in the sky; but clouds move too slowly to change the shadows that much in a few seconds.  Maybe an airplane flew by just at the right second to block the sun!  Again, extremely unlikely; and even if that's what happened, you could probably hear it (and/or see evidences of the shadow moving rapidly, while the pap was running with the camera).

I'm not trying to go back and discuss the red car and shadows again in great detail; but I am trying to show an example of solid investigation.  Some have mentioned over-analyzing (the leaf pattern, etc).  Many people are not used to heavy investigation; and if they don't want to do it here, that is their choice.  But the leaf pattern certainly has not been over analyzed, at least not in the sense of going way beyond establishing a solid theory—because NO solid theory has been established yet!  It is possible that with some things, we will not be able to establish any solid theory; and if something comes to that, then so be it.  But I don't think we are at that point yet with the leaf pattern.

I already gave four strong points why it's not a part of the background image {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18053&p=309086&#p309086}.  However, did anyone give two or more strong reasons in support of there being an intentional face in the image (and not an imaginary face, like seeing things in the clouds)?  Did anyone try to debunk the face idea?  Did anyone try to debunk the theory that the pattern is Photoshopped?  And were there at least two strong reasons why it is Photoshopped?

Could it be a reflection of natural leaves during the staged photo shoot?  That would answer why they don't move with the background image (red car); but it would probably indicate an outdoor staging, which would be an unnecessary high risk.  Also, in that case the pattern should overlap the paramedics arm (not go behind it).

Did anyone try to debunk the idea that it is an intentional leaf image?  Did anyone notice that in my very first post about it, I referred to is as "a leaf-like pattern" {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18053}?  Has anyone noticed that the leaf shapes are somewhat random, and not very artistic?  This would be expected if it was a reflection of natural leaves; but the reflection theory has some problems.

Could it be nothing more than an optical illusion, resulting from the combination of multiple lights and shadows—all bouncing off of the somewhat random, yet mostly circular ambulance interior pattern?  If you take two overlapping circles, the area that overlaps will be shaped roughly like a leaf.  Has anyone noticed that the "stem" of the main leaf pattern goes vertical, in exactly the place where the paramedics arm shadow hits the ambulance compartment wall?

I am giving far more questions here than answers; but again, far more important than the leaf pattern itself, is how we approach the process of investigation.  Yet it may have a degree of significance, in the current question of whether or not ambulance #71 was used for the staged photo (and therefore whether at least some of the paramedics are involved in the hoax).

I do want to get back to the paramedics, the FBI, etc; and hopefully we can move on to a new level soon.  But I really felt that most people still were not getting the basic concept of critical analysis.  I hope that it comes through clearer now, and that we will not forget to challenge our own theories—this is the only way that we can expect the truth to prevail!   :)


~Souza~

March 24, 2011, 12:50:18 AM #793 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "TS_comments"

I do want to get back to the paramedics, the FBI, etc

Sounds like a bloody good idea!

GINAFELICIA

March 24, 2011, 01:08:58 AM #794 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "TS_comments"

I am going to let you in on another little secret.  And in this one sense, the leaf pattern is extremely important.  Because if you use the wrong methods with the leaf pattern, then you will probably use wrong methods in other areas of investigation—and that is why The leaf pattern is not the most important part of the investigation.  Then why did I start with that, and why do I repeatedly bring it up?  Because it is a very good example of how to investigate—and more importantly, how NOT to investigate.  Then it becomes very important.

LOL you chose the most unexplainable detail of that photo to give us un example of how to investigate because there are no answers to that leaf-pattern. We can investigate it for a 1000 years and not agree over what it is. Thank you very much  :roll:

I would approach it this way: if none of the theories trying to explain it can be sustained with at least 2 solid arguments than it has to be just a result of lights and shadows.


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