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[bec]

@DreamsandTruth.....very well said and respectfully written. Those are my thoughts exactly.  I am very frustrated.

We are a great group here, a big family, sharing our feelings with each other, and helping each other a lot - not just in connection with the hoax, which is beautiful.

And as there is always something good in bad things too: our frustration helps us a lot to use our brain much harder, and to be this nice to each other here - because we are in the same shoes, and it's easier together. Still hard, but much easier. Both mentally and spiritually.
Thank you for your kind post, anewfan! I was a little worried that I couldn't be respectful enough, mainly because I haven't read more posts from TS. But I was shocked by his attitude, and I just had to tell it.

What I'm worried about a little is that maybe TS is using the old political trick: by telling us what to focus on now, he/she distracts us from those things we should really deal with.

I am very frustrated too but I disagree with the bolded portion. TS has no power that you or me don't give to him. So pay attention if you want, or go research some other aspect of the hoax. There's something in this for everyone, it's multifaceted, the hoax has always been that way.

It's much like a non-linear, open world video game. You're plunked down into an environment at the beginning of a story. What path you chose to get to the ending is totally up to you. It plays a lot like Dead Rising, where the game length is a predetermined number of days. When the clock runs out, the game is over, and you will get an ending of some sort. If you complete all the objectives, you'll get the best possible ending, Ending A. If you miss certain parts you'll get Ending B, C, D, etc through Ending H. No matter what, the end, and the truth, will be revealed according to it's own timeline.

So the way I see it, TS is one aspect of the hoax. You can do the TS thing, you can forum hop, you can chat crawl, you can blog surf, you can do 100% independent research, or you can do any combination thereof... it doesn't matter what we, you and I and everyone, do. It's Michael's hoax and it doesn't need us to figure it out for it to be revealed. The end will come even if we do nothing but sit on the couch and wait for it.

It's the waiting that is making me frustrated btw, not TS.

[MJhasSpoken]

Maybe it's not even a handle...maybe the 'handle' is photo-shopped in too. If you look at the handle it looks flat (which I remember someone saying) not 2D and aren't handles usually the other way around.

[suspicious mind]

ok i am not sure about where else to ask this question. where does the idea come from that i have heard from time to time that michael frequently went to the hospital. was it supposed to be in this same manner? is it a truth or tablied? any answers here?

[scorpionchik]

ok i am not sure about where else to ask this question. where does the idea come from that i have heard from time to time that michael frequently went to the hospital. was it supposed to be in this same manner? is it a truth or tablied? any answers here?

that was said by Ben E., especially was ODD when he added when Michael did not want to give concert, he would go to hospital, and LMP on Oprah.

[Grace]

Remark: I am getting tired also because we are not focussing on a subject but chatting about this and that. I thought we wanted to keep this thread clean? Too many of the posts have nothing to do with the subject and our objectives. There's other threads for chatting.
Peace. We need some discipline or we will not get anywhere.
Agreed?
Remark finished.

The leaves cover the handle and the arm - but this is not clearly visible in each pic.
The leaves cover the handle of the ambulance closet and the arm of the paramedic.

The leaves have been identified by TS as the wreath leaves in the badge of FBI.
A handle may be a pseudonym used in a communication system.
A handle may be a grip attached to an object for using or moving the object, such as a door handle.
The handle and the arm of the paramedic are real objects, even if several layers may have been used to compose the final pictures.

The above opens for the interpretation that FBI may be covering up an activity of opening closed doors via use of "pseudos" where real paramedics and a real ambulance have been called to the house.

TMZ offered us in addition Michael with a police officer badge and they were entertaining the fate of the casket being influenced by a S.W.A.T. operation.

[2good2btrue]

What if the reflection is coming from inside the ambulance, not outside.??

For example, clothing someone is wearing with glitter, or from a belt or FBI badge...or even a jacket like this would cause some sort of reflection if the light is on in the ambulance.
(oops sorry Grace, we must be on the same wavelength..I just saw your post ;) )

[curls]

The leaves have been identified by TS as the wreath leaves in the badge of FBI.

Please can you point me to where he said this? I know it was suggested by others but I apparently missed where he confirmed it.

[PureLove]

Respect should not be confused with tolerance  ;)  and, nothing wrong with laughing with the pics and comments posted btw. All was said in a context after 20+ pages.
"laugh at it like 10 year old kids", "I would expect you guys to be mature enough", being judgemental again aren´t we?  :lol:

Sorry but I do not see anything to laugh in a shit picture. I do not find anything to laugh when people ridicule someone either. If the intention is to have fun, you can create a fun thread and laugh there. Is this the thread to post ridiculous pictures to ridicule TS and laugh at them like 10 year old kids? Is this what we are discussing here in this thread? Any of us is perfect but to know what RESPECT is, you do not need to be perfect.

I agree with respect should not be confused with tolerance. But I see nothing to tolerance when people post shit pictures and call TS as The Shit. I do not understand your sense of humor about this but this is definitely disrespectful for TS and for the ones who want to stick with this topic and discuss about it. It has nothing to do with the tolerance. We can laugh and have fun and there is already a thread for this that Souza gave the link of. This thread is not a place to post shit pictures and ridicule TS. And yes, I find it very childish when people keep on laughing at a shit picture ON THIS THREAD and ridicule TS with stupid names! And I would be appreciated if you stop telling me that I'm judgemental as you judge my opinion about this "fun" subject.

[PureLove]

Remark: I am getting tired also because we are not focussing on a subject but chatting about this and that. I thought we wanted to keep this thread clean? Too many of the posts have nothing to do with the subject and our objectives. There's other threads for chatting.
Peace. We need some discipline or we will not get anywhere.
Agreed?
Remark finished.

Very well said Grace.

[PureLove]

The leaves have been identified by TS as the wreath leaves in the badge of FBI.

Please can you point me to where he said this? I know it was suggested by others but I apparently missed where he confirmed it.

Actually it was Souza who wrote about the wreath leaves in the badge of FBI. TS didn't approve or deny it.

[PureLove]

What if the reflection is coming from inside the ambulance, not outside.??

For example, clothing someone is wearing with glitter, or from a belt or FBI badge...or even a jacket like this would cause some sort of reflection if the light is on in the ambulance.
(oops sorry Grace, we must be on the same wavelength..I just saw your post ;) )

Yes, but if the reflection was coming from the inside like a reflection of a glittered shirt, wouldn't it look like a bright light reflection instead of a dark shadow look of the leaves? I mean, wouldn't it look bright if it was a reflection of something glittered?

[~Souza~]

For those who are frustrated about TS or think He's playing games, please open a thread here: viewforum.php?f=127 so others can continue the on topic discussion.

Thank you.

[suspicious mind]

ok i just tried to make this ( the photo of the arm area )bigger to look at the badge which no doubt someone already has somewhere. but anyway when i did suddenly it looked like the stretcher was very far away from the ambulance wall . is that just an trick of the eye or what?

[navibl]

I haven't seen TS post any responses yet, and I pray to God that he doesn't get totally fed up with the BS brought in here.  I am continually amazed at the attitudes here. Everyone is getting tired of this ride?!  REALLY YOU ARE GETTING TIRED!! OMG!!  That statement tells me that there are those that have no clue after all the months upon months of posting and redirects, what is really going on here.
Michael Joe Jackson's life is at stake, he is fighting for his life and that of the worlds and you say you are tired of the game and the RIDE is not FUN anymore.  God be with us!  I don't even know where to go with that other than heaven help.  There are many other website that think this is a game, and waiting for Michael to jump back on the stage and do concerts.  Maybe those sites would be a little more entertaining for you.  Because this forum thread is about facts and research, not to amuse people.  I find it really sad that people take Michael's life so blasé.  If it were the other way around and your life depended on the truth being found and understood, would you appreciate such a cavalier attitude of boredom from your team of support.  My guess would be NO!  Why not just go ahead on with life and wait until Michael comes back and then you can ask him for all the answers, if you really believe it is him and that he is telling the truth.  My guess would be many will question on that day, but I am sure Michael will have everything spelled out by that time as in TS.

So why have this attitude in here, like TS owes anyone anything to do with Michael.  I don't see that a single member of this forum is a victim of TS, so why play such.   TS must very close in spirit with Michael to have to patience of a saint to deal with this ridicule.  If you feel you are being diverted why are you here.  There are a vast array of theories out there, and I am sure you could find on that suites you.  I mean that is how the media plays it.  Whatever sounds good for that day.

This site is one of the most widely known sites on the internet, and I am sure the guest that come in to watch and review, find some of these comments to be what is most amusing, and that is why they are dropping out of here, because of the constant ridicule.  As long as TS was posting something that gave hope, EVERYONE just loved it.  But now that he is trying to show us how we can be manipulated by the press , the media, the government, the banking system, when the heat is turned up and it gets rough around the edges, all the complaints start rolling out.

Well there is a old saying..."If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch"  That way those that are interested in exploring clues and learning the system, will be able to do so without all the piles of BS that float around.  Those of us that want to learn greatly apologize to the ones who are skilled and seasoned at CSI and CIA, and FBI investigations and that already know everything and are just in here for a good story.  Not everyone considers the information given to us by TS, telling us how to think, but rather giving us the material to look at and think with that are of importance.  Maybe not to everyone, but just because you don't see the importance doesn't mean it isn't.  These people that Michael had to face don't think like you and I.  They are so eat up with evil, their minds function in a whole different realm than what most are familiar with.  So this plan is very complex, and although most would like answers in a condensed easy to read format, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

I just pray TS does not give up on those of us who care to see how this unravels and how to uncover lies.

I am sure many will disagree and not like what I have to say, but at this point I really don't care.  Respect is a two way street and there are those of us who appreciate what is being presented here, so if you want respect Give it.
Love is unconditional and I do love each and everyone even if you don't agree.  But I am ready to move forward and uncover more lies because the tentacle on this Monster is far reaching.  God Bless you all.

[suspicious mind]

@navibl:  God Bless you too dear  :D