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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 06:51:41 PM
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i'm having a hard time with some things
 if FBI are involved and MJ's in WPP then why a)have Murray in the mix at all
                                                                   b) leave clues, would the FBI agree to this?
                                                                    c) would the FBI bother with numerology, or let
                                                                        MJ bother with it?

I never said WPP, others are saying that though.  FBI is involved with much more than just WPP.

The Elvis parallels here are also interesting and informative.  Elvis had governement help, and he did leave clues including numerology.  But he decided not to go into WPP, because it would mean NO more contact with family or friends.  Here is a little on that: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

As far as the numerology, I will discuss that further in another comment reply soon.
I have a question. I also always thought that FBI is involved, but what I also think is that some other forms of government are involved. Is that true? Is the government involved?
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
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Also, is it possible that MJ has been working undercover to expose all the Dr Feelgoods??

That's why he went Dr shopping and has so many different drugs in alias names? That is a criminal offense to forge a pescription..Elvis did the same thing by working with the DEA..(drug enforcement agency) Remember MJ meeting with Elvis? He said Elvis told him straight out..."Don't do drugs" Seems like all the pieces are coming together now..


Speaking of Elvis...Michael has 333 pages on his FBI file, Elvis has 663, or 330 more pages, many of which are dated after August 1977.

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Elvis was pronounced dead at 2:56 p.m., 30 minutes after Michael was.  TS stressed the number thirty in TIAI Update 6.5.  I just find that strange...

More interesting Elvis stuff:

"In December 1970, Elvis was inducted into the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) by President Nixon. Elvis had just been awarded one of America's Ten Outstanding Young Men for his efforts to wipe out drugs. Elvis went undercover for the DEA and helped put one of America's largest crime rings behind bars. This particular undercover operation was coded 'Operation Fountain Pen'. Was Elvis really addicted to drugs..., or was he the ultimate actor after all? The U.S. Department of Justice's Federal Bureau of Investigation in Washington confirmed in a letter to Maria Columbus, president of The Elvis Special fan club, that Presley visited FBI headquarters on December 31, 1970 and was given a tour of FBI facilities. Two months prior to meeting with President Nixon, Elvis was presented with a CNOA Membership Certificate that reads: This is to certify that Elvis A. Presley is a member in good standing of the California Narcotics Officers Association. Once when Elvis was on stage, he wanted to prove to the audience that he was not strung out on drugs like everyone said he was. He then displayed a certificate to the audience and said, "This is from the International Narcotics Enforcement Association. This Certificate gives me special honors and a lifelong membership. I've been wearing a federal narcotics badge for six years. They don't give you that if you're strung out." One of the fan letters states that several police uniforms were delivered to Graceland on August 15, 1977"

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Wow.  :shock:
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 07:26:59 PM
Thanks TS, so that also explains Lisa Maries comment...."MJ was afraid he would end up like Elvis"....Wow.  

Michael had a passionate motive after the death of his best friend and icon "James Brown" in the hands of dr feelgoods...including Dr Conrad Murray...

That's why they used the same casket, to drop us some hints.

That's why the family continue to spread the fact that MJ WAS a drug addict and feared for his life.....

It all makes alot more sense even though most of us had that figured from the start.

FBI are involved because he had many death threats, especially from the mafia and Thomne Thomne and the NOI ????  Am I on the right track ???

On December 21, 1970, Elvis Presley paid a visit to President Richard M. Nixon at the White House in Washington, D.C. The meeting was initiated by Presley, who wrote Nixon a six-page letter requesting a visit with the President and suggesting that he be made a "Federal Agent-at-Large" in the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. The events leading up to and after the meeting are detailed in the documentation and photographs included here, which include Presley's handwritten letter, memoranda from Nixon staff and aides, and the thank-you note from Nixon for the gifts (including a Colt 45 pistol and family photos) that Presley brought with him to the Oval Office.

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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 07:38:04 PM
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 07:45:51 PM
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huh . we have vernon , charlie hodge , and i think i see larry geller and there is the famous dr. nick.
but no joe espesito as near as i can tell. thought joe was pretty close to him. strange set up to me.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 07:48:46 PM
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Do you remember this on the 3rd September 2010, one year after the burial?
 No coincidence
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If you look at the cemetary picture on that webpage, it looks EXACTLY like the cemetary used as the background for the Thriller videos they shot for TII....just, ya know, during the day.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 08:07:22 PM
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Well maybe that not the whole FBI agency is in on it, we often talked about key people in key places and when we think about the reasons for the hoax I hardly can imagine that the whole FBI is involved. Certainly a few good guys working there.

Agree with you Sarahli. People talk about if the courts of Murray was fake or not. I do believe that there're key people everywhere who are aware of the hoax. Not everyone should know about it. Not the entire DA, FBI, or the courts know about the hoax. To keep as less people as they could is the best for the sake of the hoax. So I do not think the entire FBI knows about Michael being an agent or knows about the hoax.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 08:13:23 PM
WOW WOW WOW WOW
I have tears in my eyes because it feels like we are onto something here.  I feel more and more hurt for Michael as this goes on.  The more I research and find the more I feel pain for what he lived with.  
This is just unreal to think that maybe Elvis wasn't a drug addict, but instead, working to GET the "drug lords".  Then to think, our Michael, the same thing!!
I remember Michael with Pres. Reagan and being so proud of him going us as an example against drugs...alcohol...and now I see Elvis with Pres. Nixon...same thing???  I am blown away.  I just cannot believe that these two men, stood up with two presidents against drugs, then DIED of drug overdoses!!!
NO!  I will never believe that.
I want to thank every one of you friends who also are taking so much time and love researching all this.  You know I've been wondering about the WHY'S of the need for us to do all the researching and not just believe and wait, and NOW I see.  
Now I see.  
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 08:22:05 PM
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i'm having a hard time with some things
 if FBI are involved and MJ's in WPP then why a)have Murray in the mix at all
                                                                   b) leave clues, would the FBI agree to this?
                                                                    c) would the FBI bother with numerology, or let
                                                                        MJ bother with it?

I never said WPP, others are saying that though.  FBI is involved with much more than just WPP.

The Elvis parallels here are also interesting and informative.  Elvis had governement help, and he did leave clues including numerology.  But he decided not to go into WPP, because it would mean NO more contact with family or friends.  Here is a little on that: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

As far as the numerology, I will discuss that further in another comment reply soon.

Thank you TS for giving the information about WPP and people who goes into WPP can not contact with family or friends. Now it makes me wonder if Michael got into WPP or not. If he is in to WPP, that could explain the tears of Katherine at the funeral and at some interviews. They can not see Michael and that is such a hard situation that they cry because of that, not because of his "death". I also remember some of Michael's friends talk about him how they miss their friend. So we have two opitons. 1-Michael planned everything for such a long time ago and gave all the directions to those key people to give out the clues that Michael planned long ago and then he got into WPP and left. 2-He is working with FBI but didn't get into WPP but still for his safety he doesn't see his family and friends so often. I'll go with number two.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 08:33:58 PM
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I agree with most of It'sHer's theorie, re actor paramedics, staged 911 calls etc. With the addition of low enforcement involvement on some level. It is really the only thing explaining why the real ambulance 71 crew has not spoken up. Also, it ties in to the previously addressed code 71- meaning approved absence. If nothing was random, than the choice of # of ambulance was not, either.
Also, if there was no real 911 call, and there is no law enforcement involvement, I think actual authorites would have come forward.  You can't pay off everyone.  And- there are bigger lures than short-term gain. Meaning, notoriety for exposing the hoax.

To me, some degree of witness protection, similar program, or law enforcement involvement (remember, the chief of la police resigned shortly after June 09- at least I think that's who it was, or other high up police official) is the ONE thing that ties together the non-matching photos, the different version 911 calls, the real paramedics vs actors issue, and impunity.  I always believed there was a threat to Michael's life- as did he according to several people.  Maybe, he finally got the attention he deserved and things tied into his long-term plans.
It also helps explain changes in BAM timeline as well as trail date changes- if things are not purely up to Michael.

Several people are generally on the right track, including this quoted comment here and the one before it {by MsTrinity333, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  So I am now going to drop a huge clue.  Actually, I thought someone would find this before now, especially with the timing clue that I gave when I posted the beginning of this thread (MsTrinity333   :o ).

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Oh, wow- I was not able to come on and check much this weekend- come back to see what I missed and find my post.  I am SO THRILLED- and humbled- thanks, TS.
Now, interesting that you mention that WPP is not the only thing the FBI is involved in.  I have been thinking for a while: the two things people connect to Michael (beyond music) are drugs and children.  If you add the FBI factor- those elements all tie to sexual exploitation of children and or pornography (usually drugs are involved).  Now, this might come out of left field, but bear with me for a moment: Think of one of the themes that seems to stick out in recent songs- the corruption of Hollywood and how young girls (in those cases, but boys are affected as well) are exploited.  You find this in Hollywood Tonight and Do you Know Where Your Children Are.  In Hollywood Tonight, you have a line in the text book after “she’s taught that that’s not clean”- that says something like “she’s only 16” (or was it 15- once again too lazy to go check).  Some motto in DYKWYCA- the girl in that song is 12.  
Michael having been accused of the heinous acts against children might have awoken or strengthened his disgust at what was going on.  Young children/ teens being exploited is an open secret in Hollywood and you better believe he knew what was going on, having been a child in Hollywood himself and probably having seen much.  Due to his insider status- he might have been able to open doors regular FBI informants could not get through.
Of course, this then, ties to the top of the Entertainment Industry and would have made him many enemies (if word or even suspicion) got out.  Hence- the drive to destroy him (and the money to be made on the side was certainly a bonus).
So, just like Elvis the “druggy” might have worked for law enforcement to combat drug trafficking, Michael, the accused child molester might have worked behind the scenes to expose people involved in sexual exploitation of minors in the “industry.”
How does the hoax/ numerology tie in?  Well, he had the idea obviously for a long time.  And if he knew he was in danger on several fronts, he then combined the hoax agenda with the FBI activities (whatever they are).  
Someone earlier asked how the FBI ties in with the “end of the world”- well, it has been mentioned numerous times that the 333 pages were released o 12/21 (2009)- which of course is also time of the 911 call.  So, was it FBI to the rescue?
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 08:50:05 PM
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I was thinking about the time of "death", wich had to be exactly at 2:26 to fit the hoax numerology. Therefore someone at the UCLA medical center must have been "in on it"?? Don't know if it has been talked about. Who pronounced the time of death?
As far as I remember, it was Jermaine who announced the time of death.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 08:51:39 PM
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Do you remember this on the 3rd September 2010, one year after the burial?
 No coincidence
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If you look at the cemetary picture on that webpage, it looks EXACTLY like the cemetary used as the background for the Thriller videos they shot for TII....just, ya know, during the day.
I knew there was something familiar about that picture n i just couldnt put my finger on it! :shock:
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 08:52:36 PM
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Quote from: "ignisaeternus"
I agree with most of It'sHer's theorie, re actor paramedics, staged 911 calls etc. With the addition of low enforcement involvement on some level. It is really the only thing explaining why the real ambulance 71 crew has not spoken up. Also, it ties in to the previously addressed code 71- meaning approved absence. If nothing was random, than the choice of # of ambulance was not, either.
Also, if there was no real 911 call, and there is no law enforcement involvement, I think actual authorites would have come forward.  You can't pay off everyone.  And- there are bigger lures than short-term gain. Meaning, notoriety for exposing the hoax.

To me, some degree of witness protection, similar program, or law enforcement involvement (remember, the chief of la police resigned shortly after June 09- at least I think that's who it was, or other high up police official) is the ONE thing that ties together the non-matching photos, the different version 911 calls, the real paramedics vs actors issue, and impunity.  I always believed there was a threat to Michael's life- as did he according to several people.  Maybe, he finally got the attention he deserved and things tied into his long-term plans.
It also helps explain changes in BAM timeline as well as trail date changes- if things are not purely up to Michael.

Several people are generally on the right track, including this quoted comment here and the one before it {by MsTrinity333, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  So I am now going to drop a huge clue.  Actually, I thought someone would find this before now, especially with the timing clue that I gave when I posted the beginning of this thread (MsTrinity333   :o ).

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Oh, wow- I was not able to come on and check much this weekend- come back to see what I missed and find my post.  I am SO THRILLED- and humbled- thanks, TS.
Now, interesting that you mention that WPP is not the only thing the FBI is involved in.  I have been thinking for a while: the two things people connect to Michael (beyond music) are drugs and children.  If you add the FBI factor- those elements all tie to sexual exploitation of children and or pornography (usually drugs are involved).  Now, this might come out of left field, but bear with me for a moment: Think of one of the themes that seems to stick out in recent songs- the corruption of Hollywood and how young girls (in those cases, but boys are affected as well) are exploited.  You find this in Hollywood Tonight and Do you Know Where Your Children Are.  In Hollywood Tonight, you have a line in the text book after “she’s taught that that’s not clean”- that says something like “she’s only 16” (or was it 15- once again too lazy to go check).  Some motto in DYKWYCA- the girl in that song is 12.  
Michael having been accused of the heinous acts against children might have awoken or strengthened his disgust at what was going on.  Young children/ teens being exploited is an open secret in Hollywood and you better believe he knew what was going on, having been a child in Hollywood himself and probably having seen much.  Due to his insider status- he might have been able to open doors regular FBI informants could not get through.
Of course, this then, ties to the top of the Entertainment Industry and would have made him many enemies (if word or even suspicion) got out.  Hence- the drive to destroy him (and the money to be made on the side was certainly a bonus).
So, just like Elvis the “druggy” might have worked for law enforcement to combat drug trafficking, Michael, the accused child molester might have worked behind the scenes to expose people involved in sexual exploitation of minors in the “industry.”
How does the hoax/ numerology tie in?  Well, he had the idea obviously for a long time.  And if he knew he was in danger on several fronts, he then combined the hoax agenda with the FBI activities (whatever they are).  
Someone earlier asked how the FBI ties in with the “end of the world”- well, it has been mentioned numerous times that the 333 pages were released o 12/21 (2009)- which of course is also time of the 911 call.  So, was it FBI to the rescue?

Great post.  Great thinking and reasoning.  Can you tie in the "we have 4 years"? (is that right?)
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 09:02:17 PM
I have had this picture saved to my computer for 16 mths....

Also, the pictures of Liberian Girl at the funeral & memorial possibly suggested MJ was in Liberia, Africa.  Joe Jackson always wore his African necklace.  Liberia a Long Way From Winning War on Drugs.....there is a major drug and drug trafficking problem there........

Liberia's Drug Enforcement Agency says it lacks the financial and logistical support to adequately crack down on illegal drug trafficking. Agency officials say the country's weak drug laws are compounding the problem.

According to Liberia's Drug Enforcement Agency, law enforcement officials lack the man power, money and laws to deter drug trafficking.
Colonel James Jaddah is the executive director of the agency. He says there is a need for better logistics within his organization. "Right now we are operating with only five vehicles, all assigned to headquarters,” Jaddah said. “In the other 15 counties we don't have the capacity to purchase vehicles, so this has been hindering our progress when it comes to operational activities."He says the DEA also lacks adequate financial support, from the government and from the international community.Jaddah says Liberia's weak drug laws present another serious problem. He says drug dealers are more typically fined than jailed, with the average penalty costing a dealer about $50. "We go out there and we make all the arrests,” he added. “The suspect [is] taken to court, the suspect is being given a cash bill, and as soon as the cash bill is paid, that person is out on the street doing the same thing that they were doing before. The penalty is very weak, it's nothing compared to other countries."Jaddah says a bill based on Nigeria's tougher drug laws was drafted and introduced to Liberia's Legislature. The lower house approved the bill, but it has since stalled in the upper house. Although marijuana is locally produced, Jaddah says it is mostly foreigners who bring harder controlled substances like cocaine and heroin into Liberia.Lamin Kollie, 28, a drug user, said he first began taking cocaine during Liberia's civil war years. "I'm taking cocaine. I've been taking this for more than two years. I can't do without it,” said Kollie. “I've been arrested on many occasions, but I manage to escape."Kollie said if the government would provide jobs, he would stop doing drugs.Jaddah says Liberian youths who are expected to one day lead the country are falling victim to drug habits. He says more has to be done to prevent drugs from ruining the younger generation.

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Re: TIAI March 9
March 14, 2011, 09:20:41 PM
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Great post.  Great thinking and reasoning.  Can you tie in the "we have 4 years"? (is that right?)

Hm.. Well, I think Jehova Witness teaching still influenced Michael's spirituality very much (no matter what his non-religious activties were).  According to their teachings, the end of the world does not mean destruction, but deliverance from those who are evil (and I know this because my husband started to have Bible Study every week with a Jehova's Witness).  In that- helping uncover corruption that endangers children on the micro level and (as pointed out by TS can reach up so high it endagners our national security) would fit in with - having 4 years to get it right.  That part, of course, again, was influenced my Michael's religious views.  Now, I know that the JW do not pick 2012- but Michael might have seen this as the dates he had in mind.  Or maybe, 12-21-12 is more of a symblic date (signifying the end) which was then tied in in a more concrete manner into the clues of TII and the hoax.  The four years, using inclusive reckoning, would extend from 2009 until 2012 (counting 2009 as year one- and 2012 as year 4)- as previously discussed.

Anyway- this is just one theorie (as in hyothesis, not as in proven theorie) that's been swirling around in my mind.  

Maybe, to be thorough, we should also look at why the FBI CANNOT be involved- to make sure we have a solid case for involvment.  I already stated that I think they are.  For arguments sake, I am not that great at numerology, so I would need some solid proof to show how it ties in (beyond the 33, the 12-21 release date of the file)- I can see that one could argue, FBI protection or involvment would make aderence to numerology more difficult.  (even though, I am sure that if this went on for years, MJ had established some ammount of creative freedom in how he would pull this off).
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