TIAI March 9

[PureLove]

The white fireman/paramedic pouring the pancake batter is the same one in the Hollywood.tv video helping the ambulance back out of the driveway. He is also shown putting the orange cones on the ground. So clearly he is a REAL fireman/paramedic. Not FBI. 8-)
[youtube:28z6vh7f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU[/youtube:28z6vh7f]


The guy circled in this picture is also seen in the Hollywood.tv video close to the end. He is walking towards and up into the driveway at the 1:45 mark when the white truck is driving by. He clearly is a REAL fireman/paramedic. I believe these two guys came to Michael's house in the fire truck and were not the ones that drove the ambulance to the hospital (pictured in the hospital entrance wheeling the gurney in).  8-)

Obviously they can't guide the ambulance out the driveway, set orange cones on the ground and also be seen walking up the driveway after the ambulance has been shown driving backwards and away down the street at the same time these guys are doing their job. All of the above is my opinion of course but common sense and eyesight should be enough to realize the men I spoke about are in the pictures and video excluding the hospital entrance picture.

Peace

Thank you for the input Im_convinced. Yes, that white haired man looks like the same guy who is pouring the pancake. So we know that they're real paramedics and not FBI. What about the ones inside the ambulance? We can not see their faces clearly though.

[PureLove]

Paramedics: Jackson Dead When We Arrived
7/26/2009 9:30 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

Law enforcement sources tell us when paramedics arrived at Michael Jackson's house he was already dead ... and it took them a while to even realize the victim was the famous singer.

Our sources say when paramedics got to Jackson's home he was flatlined. There was no electrical activity in his heart and Jackson showed no sign of life.

Multiple sources say paramedics wanted to pronounce Jackson dead at the scene but Dr. Conrad Murray insisted that the singer be transported to the hospital. Dr. Murray -- as a higher medical authority than the EMTs -- had the power to overrule them.

Paramedics didn't realize for nearly 10 minutes the victim was Michael Jackson. As one emergency worker put it: "It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man."

Huh? What do you mean I looked like a frail old man?

 :lol:

So there're three options.

1-The paramedics are lying about the way he looked that day because Michael wanted them to do so for it to be a clue to us.

2-It was not Michael they brought to the hospital.

3-Michael disguised himself like an old man.

I do not think it would be necessary to use a disguise, so option 1 and 2 sound more possible to me.

[bec]

Option 1.

Because Marlon told everyone in July 2009 that MJ liked to disguise himself as an old man when he went out.

Duh. We could have saved a whole lot of research if we hadn't over thought this whole thing for almost 2 years.

[bec]

^^Just an example of how we could have figured this whole thing out in about 2 weeks.

Ps. Marlon also said, "Michael you're there. You're right there" and pointed towards Hatman and Adams Apple Blonde.

[StrangerInCalifornia]

Hello everyone! I havent been posting much recently, but I have been reading and something caught my attention while watching the video of the ambulance backing out. We've all been focusing on the the ambulance and not very much attention has been given to the firetruck and I've noticed a discrepancy. Of course there is the picture of the 911 call screen that shows that the call originated from the Beverly Hills Hotel. [attachment=0:2vdfbcqr]911_call_screen.jpg[/attachment:2vdfbcqr] This was supposedly shot through the window of the firetruck. However, at the end of the ambulance video (sorry I'm not sure how to post it here), the window of the firetruck is rolled up and the call screen is not visible. I haven't quite figured out exactly how this fits in with everything because I'm still trying to get my thoughts together. Just thought I'd share.

Peace and LOVE  

[Im_convincedmjalive]

Jeffrey Mills was the third one and he is white.
Plus let's not forget about staff from the engine.

Hi Grace,

I am wondering why you think Jeffrey Mills was the third one? Is it because his picture/name/title is included in the photos with the paramedics who arrived at Michael's house? I realize he is a Captain but he is not the Captain I am referring to. Can you please provide evidence to show why you think it is Jeffrey being the third one. Also can you show proof of the staff in the fire engine and explain what you mean by your statement?

Here is who I am referring to as the one key person. Captain Steve Ruda.

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Michael Jackson is dead [Updated]
June 25, 2009 | 2:06 pm

Pop star Michael Jackson was pronounced dead today after paramedics found him in a coma at his Bel-Air mansion, city and law enforcement sources told The Times.

Los Angeles Fire Department Capt. Steve Ruda told The Times that paramedics responded to a 911 call from the home. When they arrived, Jackson was not breathing.

The paramedics performed CPR and took Jackson to UCLA Medical Center, Ruda said. Hundreds of reporters gathered at the hospital awaiting word on his condition. The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said family members rushed to Jackson’s bedside, where he was in a deep coma.

The circumstances of Jackson’s death remain unclear. Law enforcement sources said that Los Angeles Police Department robbery-homicide detectives have opened an investigation into the death, though they stressed that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing.

The detectives plan to interview relatives, friends and Jackson’s doctors to try to figure out what happened. The L.A. County coroner’s office will determine a cause of death. A Los Angeles Fire Department source told The Times that Jackson was in full cardiac arrest when rescue units arrived.

A doctor was in the house performing CPR on Jackson, said the source who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Paramedics were called to a home in the 100 block of Carolwood Drive off Sunset Boulevard.

Jackson rented the Bel-Air home -- described as a French chateau built in 2002 with seven bedrooms, 13 bathrooms, 12 fireplaces and a theater -- for $100,000 a month.

The home is about a six-minute drive from UCLA Medical Center. Jackson has three children -- sons Prince Michael 7, and Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., 12, and daughter Paris Michael Katherine, 11.

Jackson, 50, died as he was attempting a comeback after years of tabloid headlines, most notably his trial and acquittal on child molestation charges.

In May, The Times reported that Jackson had rented the Bel-Air residence and was rehearsing for a series of 50 sold-out shows in London's O2 Arena. Jackson had won the backing of two billionaires to get the so-called "King of Pop" back on stage.

His backers envisioned the shows at AEG's O2 as an audition for a career rebirth that could have ultimately encompassed a three-year world tour, a new album, movies, a Graceland-like museum, musical revues in Las Vegas and Macau, and even a "Thriller" casino. Such a rebound could have wiped out Jackson's massive debt.
[Updated post]
-- Andrew Blankstein and Phil Willon

Im_convincedmjalive  The white fireman/paramedic pouring the pancake batter is the same one in the Hollywood.tv video helping the ambulance back out of the driveway. He is also shown putting the orange cones on the ground. So clearly he is a REAL fireman/paramedic. Not FBI.  

Why can he not be both FBI and paramedic. The FBI use 30,000 professionals in various fields to add their expertise and cover.  It seems to me that the arm of the paramedic pushing the pancake batter device looks like the ambulance photo sitting guy. Almost seems the photo is a deliberate pose in the same arm/hand position and posted for hoax sleuthers.

Hi MJonmind,

Can you please provide proof that the real firemen/paramedics could be both.

Thank you.

[everlastinglove_MJ]

Hello everyone! I havent been posting much recently, but I have been reading and something caught my attention while watching the video of the ambulance backing out. We've all been focusing on the the ambulance and not very much attention has been given to the firetruck and I've noticed a discrepancy. Of course there is the picture of the 911 call screen that shows that the call originated from the Beverly Hills Hotel. [attachment=0:2yqvtcnt]911_call_screen.jpg[/attachment:2yqvtcnt] This was supposedly shot through the window of the firetruck. However, at the end of the ambulance video (sorry I'm not sure how to post it here), the window of the firetruck is rolled up and the call screen is not visible. I haven't quite figured out exactly how this fits in with everything because I'm still trying to get my thoughts together. Just thought I'd share.

Peace and LOVE  

This was supposedly shot through the window of the firetruck

Hi Is this 911 call screen picture actually shot through a window? I wonder.
On the picture of this link You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login (sorry I can't post it because of copy rights) it looks like it has been shot inside the truck. It is also possible that the screen picture has been shot afterwards, I mean after MJ arrived in the hospital, because all data are stored in the computer.

[StrangerInCalifornia]

Hello everyone! I havent been posting much recently, but I have been reading and something caught my attention while watching the video of the ambulance backing out. We've all been focusing on the the ambulance and not very much attention has been given to the firetruck and I've noticed a discrepancy. Of course there is the picture of the 911 call screen that shows that the call originated from the Beverly Hills Hotel. [attachment=0:2mvl0mdf]911_call_screen.jpg[/attachment:2mvl0mdf] This was supposedly shot through the window of the firetruck. However, at the end of the ambulance video (sorry I'm not sure how to post it here), the window of the firetruck is rolled up and the call screen is not visible. I haven't quite figured out exactly how this fits in with everything because I'm still trying to get my thoughts together. Just thought I'd share.

Peace and LOVE  

This was supposedly shot through the window of the firetruck

Hi Is this 911 call screen picture actually shot through a window? I wonder.
On the picture of this link You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login (sorry I can't post it because of copy rights) it looks like it has been shot inside the truck. It is also possible that the screen picture has been shot afterwards, I mean after MJ arrived in the hospital, because all data are stored in the computer.

I was under the impression that it was shot through the window (I can't remember why), but after seeing this picture it does appear that it was taken inside the truck. Does that mean that one of the paramedics that arrived in the fire truck took the picture and leaked it to the media? I'm sure the paparazzi or fans wouldn't have access to the inside of the fire truck. Unless of course it was left unlocked and someone took a little peak inside, but lets hope that nobody is that bold.  :lol:

[Im_convincedmjalive]

[youtube:3gbthnau]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU[/youtube:3gbthnau]

In this video Ben is the guy with the tan shirt holding the video camera.

Hello everyone! I havent been posting much recently, but I have been reading and something caught my attention while watching the video of the ambulance backing out. We've all been focusing on the the ambulance and not very much attention has been given to the firetruck and I've noticed a discrepancy. Of course there is the picture of the 911 call screen that shows that the call originated from the Beverly Hills Hotel. [attachment=0:3gbthnau]911_call_screen.jpg[/attachment:3gbthnau] This was supposedly shot through the window of the firetruck. However, at the end of the ambulance video (sorry I'm not sure how to post it here), the window of the firetruck is rolled up and the call screen is not visible. I haven't quite figured out exactly how this fits in with everything because I'm still trying to get my thoughts together. Just thought I'd share.

Peace and LOVE  

[youtube:3gbthnau]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wCdllj2eDI&feature=related[/youtube:3gbthnau]

This is Ben explaining the fire truck's call screen.

[StrangerInCalifornia]

[youtube:2w6xlzav]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU[/youtube:2w6xlzav]

In this video Ben is the guy with the tan shirt holding the video camera.

Hello everyone! I havent been posting much recently, but I have been reading and something caught my attention while watching the video of the ambulance backing out. We've all been focusing on the the ambulance and not very much attention has been given to the firetruck and I've noticed a discrepancy. Of course there is the picture of the 911 call screen that shows that the call originated from the Beverly Hills Hotel. [attachment=0:2w6xlzav]911_call_screen.jpg[/attachment:2w6xlzav] This was supposedly shot through the window of the firetruck. However, at the end of the ambulance video (sorry I'm not sure how to post it here), the window of the firetruck is rolled up and the call screen is not visible. I haven't quite figured out exactly how this fits in with everything because I'm still trying to get my thoughts together. Just thought I'd share.

Peace and LOVE  

[youtube:2w6xlzav]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wCdllj2eDI&feature=related[/youtube:2w6xlzav]

This is Ben the guy who shot the video of the fire truck's screen.

Thanks! I knew there was some footage of the screen being shot through the window. That also brings me back to the point of how he got that footage when the window was rolled up at the end of the ambulance video. Either the footage was shot on different days or someone was playing with the window rolling it up or down when there was an "emergency" going on.

[mdc]

Jeffrey Mills was the third one and he is white.
Plus let's not forget about staff from the engine.

Hi Grace,

I am wondering why you think Jeffrey Mills was the third one? Is it because his picture/name/title is included in the photos with the paramedics who arrived at Michael's house? I realize he is a Captain but he is not the Captain I am referring to. Can you please provide evidence to show why you think it is Jeffrey being the third one. Also can you show proof of the staff in the fire engine and explain what you mean by your statement?

Here is who I am referring to as the one key person. Captain Steve Ruda.

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Michael Jackson is dead [Updated]
June 25, 2009 | 2:06 pm

Pop star Michael Jackson was pronounced dead today after paramedics found him in a coma at his Bel-Air mansion, city and law enforcement sources told The Times.

Los Angeles Fire Department Capt. Steve Ruda told The Times that paramedics responded to a 911 call from the home. When they arrived, Jackson was not breathing.

The paramedics performed CPR and took Jackson to UCLA Medical Center, Ruda said. Hundreds of reporters gathered at the hospital awaiting word on his condition. The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said family members rushed to Jackson’s bedside, where he was in a deep coma.

The circumstances of Jackson’s death remain unclear. Law enforcement sources said that Los Angeles Police Department robbery-homicide detectives have opened an investigation into the death, though they stressed that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing.

The detectives plan to interview relatives, friends and Jackson’s doctors to try to figure out what happened. The L.A. County coroner’s office will determine a cause of death. A Los Angeles Fire Department source told The Times that Jackson was in full cardiac arrest when rescue units arrived.

A doctor was in the house performing CPR on Jackson, said the source who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Paramedics were called to a home in the 100 block of Carolwood Drive off Sunset Boulevard.

Jackson rented the Bel-Air home -- described as a French chateau built in 2002 with seven bedrooms, 13 bathrooms, 12 fireplaces and a theater -- for $100,000 a month.

The home is about a six-minute drive from UCLA Medical Center. Jackson has three children -- sons Prince Michael 7, and Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., 12, and daughter Paris Michael Katherine, 11.

Jackson, 50, died as he was attempting a comeback after years of tabloid headlines, most notably his trial and acquittal on child molestation charges.

In May, The Times reported that Jackson had rented the Bel-Air residence and was rehearsing for a series of 50 sold-out shows in London's O2 Arena. Jackson had won the backing of two billionaires to get the so-called "King of Pop" back on stage.

His backers envisioned the shows at AEG's O2 as an audition for a career rebirth that could have ultimately encompassed a three-year world tour, a new album, movies, a Graceland-like museum, musical revues in Las Vegas and Macau, and even a "Thriller" casino. Such a rebound could have wiped out Jackson's massive debt.
[Updated post]
-- Andrew Blankstein and Phil Willon

Im_convincedmjalive  The white fireman/paramedic pouring the pancake batter is the same one in the Hollywood.tv video helping the ambulance back out of the driveway. He is also shown putting the orange cones on the ground. So clearly he is a REAL fireman/paramedic. Not FBI.  

Why can he not be both FBI and paramedic. The FBI use 30,000 professionals in various fields to add their expertise and cover.  It seems to me that the arm of the paramedic pushing the pancake batter device looks like the ambulance photo sitting guy. Almost seems the photo is a deliberate pose in the same arm/hand position and posted for hoax sleuthers.

Hi MJonmind,

Can you please provide proof that the real firemen/paramedics could be both.

Thank you.

 Not sure if this is any help but concerning Steve Ruda... I think he is just a media relations/spokesperson and is not actually at station 71. I read somewhere that he was head of the Public Information Unit. I think the Captains of station 71 are/were Michael Coleman (A platoon), Antonio Gonzales (B platoon), and Jeffrey Mills (C platoon).

On another note, I at one time thought the ambulance picture was taken outside station 71 and that maybe those leaves were from that wall but it appears that they didn't get their wall and fancy electric gate until after June 25, 2009...like right after. Not sure why but I found that interesting. Wonder did MJ pay for that gate. lol Here is where I got that information:
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[Andrea]

I’ve been thinking about the FBI’s involvement, the possible clues they’ve given and numerology.

As we all know, the FBI intended to release 333 pages on Michael Jackson on 12/21 but was delayed a day.

Here is the link I found when googling “Michael Jackson 333 pages”:

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Here is the image with that article:



See how it clearly says “Michael Joe Jackson”.  When you look at the actual 333 pages that were released, the always refer to him as “Michael Joe Jackson” or just “Michael Jackson”.

From the above link, there’s another link at the bottom of that page:

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Michael Joseph Jackson
Michael Joseph Jackson, a celebrity pop star, was born on August 29, 1958. He died unexpectedly on June 25, 2009 at the age of 50.
Between 1993 and 1994 and separately between 2004 and 2005, Mr. Jackson was investigated by California law enforcement agencies for possible child molestation. He was acquitted of all such charges. The FBI provided technical and investigative assistance to these agencies during the cases. The Bureau also investigated threats made against Mr. Jackson and others by an individual who was later imprisoned for these crimes.

So when the FBI is referring to Michael being dead, they call him “Michael Joseph Jackson”.  Very interesting, wouldn’t you say?  A deliberate clue like the DC and a subtle reference to an Elvis parallel with the middle name?  The Elvis/FBI involvement has been discussed in this thread and many know that his full name is Elvis Aron Presley but on the grave stone it says “Elvis Aaron Presley”.


Now let’s have some fun with math and numbers (words I never thought I would ever say  :lol: ).

There were 333 pages intended to be released on 12/21. 1221 being the time of the 911 call and a reference to the EOW date.

The release of these 333 pages were from 7 separate files.

In the first file, 111 pages were withheld.  TS told us the importance of 111, being the fundamental number in the hoax.  The This Is It movie is 111 minutes.  Weird, right?

There’s a total of 675 FBI pages on Michael Jackson – 333 released and 342 withheld.
3+3+3=9
3+4+2=9
6+7+5=18 1+8=9

I was playing around and found this as well:
333 X 7= 2331 (2+3+3+1=9)
333 + 1998 (Dangerous autograph) = 2331
2331 / 111 = 21 (7,7,7)
And 2331-1221= 1110 then - 333= 777

Here’s the FBI’s recap of the 7 files:

This release consists of seven separate files, as described below:

9A-LA-142276: 1992 to 1993, 196 pages
This file details a Los Angeles field office investigation into extortion threats against Michael Jackson and others in 1992. The subject of this investigation pled guilty and was sentenced to prison in 1993.
A total of 111 pages were withheld to prevent duplication of material already released or to protect personal privacy, the identity of sources that provided information to the FBI in confidence, and internal rules and practices. Some information was referred to the U.S. Secret Service.

62D-LA-162715: September 16, 1993 to August 8, 1994, 56 pages
This file involves a Los Angeles field office investigation opened to assist local authorities with a child molestation case in 1993. The case never went to trial.
Ninety-five pages were withheld to prevent duplication of material already released or to protect personal privacy, the identity of sources that provided information to the FBI in confidence, and internal rules and practices.

62D-L0-11779: September 2, 1993 to October 22, 1993, 9 pages
This file was opened by the FBI’s legal attaché office in London when it assisted local authorities with a child molestation investigation in 1993.
Thirteen pages were withheld to protect personal privacy and the identity of sources that provided information to the FBI in confidence.

95A-HQ-1148159: October 30, 1995 to January 24, 1997, 8 pages
This file details a request made to the FBI to analyze a VHS videotape provided by the U.S. Customs Service as part of a child pornography investigation.
Some information was redacted to protect personal privacy. Four pages were referred to U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement for a release determination.

62D-LA-236081: January 15, 2004 to April 27, 2004, 41 pages
Our Los Angeles field office opened this file when it was asked by local authorities to provide forensic computer analysis assistance in a child molestation investigation in 2004. The examination of evidence in this case was conducted by the FBI’s Computer Analysis and Response Team (CART). Mr. Jackson was ultimately acquitted of these charges in a California court.
One hundred and twenty-three pages were withheld to protect personal privacy, the identity of sources that provided information to the FBI in confidence, and internal rules and practices or to prevent the disclosure of techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions.

305B-LA-239204: September 14, 2004 to December 9, 2004, 5 pages
This Los Angeles field office file was opened in 2004 to investigate child molestation allegations. Due to lack of witness cooperation, the case was closed.

252B-IR-6808: March 1, 2004 to June 29, 2005, 18 pages
This file involves a request made of the FBI's Critical Incident Response Group to provide advice and assistance to local authorities concerning a child molestation investigation in 2004.
Some information was redacted to protect personal privacy and internal rules and practices.

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So why would certain individuals in the FBI be involved with Michael?  It "offically" started off because Michael’s life was threatened, then their involvement was with the molestation accusations.  It’s entirely possible that the agents researching Michael uncovered a plot where someone(s) was out to destroy Michael.  If these bad people couldn’t get close enough to kill him, they would extort him and attempt to destroy his career and reputation.  Suddenly it doesn't seem so far-fetched that the FBI (not the whole Bureau but certain individuals) would help Michael with his long-planned hoax - because it helps keep Michael safe and they are able to flush out those people in Michael's life who were a danger to him.  The numerology is important because it shows their involvement is deliberate and planned, as is everything else with the hoax.

[GINAFELICIA]

Interesting post Andrea.

Now Michael used FBI or FBI used Michael?
Or Michael is dead and this hoax is just our daily morphine? To forget about the pain of losing him...

[MsTrinity333]

Excellent post Andrea...numbers & all.  I hate math. :lol:

[Im_convincedmjalive]

Now look at these findings.......this is from another ambulance..78

LOOK AT THE PATTERNS ON THE DECOR

You have some very good evidence. If possible can you provide a link to where you found that picture of Ambulance #78. Your absolutely right in looking at the decor. I went back to the link for the pancake breakfast to look at some more pictures and I found a picture of Ambulance #71 with the doors open. You can see the same decor inside. Now I could say that the leaf/face pattern was created because of that decor and I could now say it was part of the interior of the ambulance but I still see an intentional face. Uggg. Optical Illusions. :shock:  

You can't see the ambulance # on the right side because the picture shrinks on here but go to the link and you can see through the window the #11803.
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TS_comments wrote:
This zoomed area is a leaf-like pattern (whether or not you see a face hidden in the pattern). So the big question for now is whether the pattern ...
#1 ... is part of the secondary image (with the red car, etc)?
#2 ... is part of the ambulance interior design?
#3 ... is edited into the picture (Photoshop), not part of the ambulance or secondary image?

To help you figure out the answer: I have included below four different ambulance photos, a video of the wall area behind the red car, and a video of the inside of ambulance 71 (11803, CA 1261551).


Inside ambulance 71 (starting at 9:00):

[youtube:3k1szb8c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMB5gfcVChg[/youtube:3k1szb8c]