TIAI March 9

[MJonmind]

SEHF, I like your new avatar. Maybe there should be an M in place of the questionmark! :lol:

[Im_convincedmjalive]

@Andrea: I believe some things aren't going to be explained to us to the fullest degree regarding the FBI's involment with Michael and how they did this. Need to KNOW basis.    I believe that in our own minds we just have to come to our own conclusions and beliefs regarding that.  @looking4truth @RK You are very welcome.

I am also adding a plausable theory regarding there being a back gate at Carolwood that Michael may have slipped out of unnoticed. See below.

Contradictions! This may help shed some light on WHY there are so many contradictions with the people (witnesses) who are involved in Murray's case surrounding the "death" of Michael.

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THURSDAY, JULY 22, 2010

VERY INTERESTING NEW VIDEO

My friend, Susan, has made me aware of a video of Joe Esposito and Charlie Hodge at the hospital on the day that Elvis was pronounced "dead".  

The comments made by Joe in this tape are totally contradictory to every other account we have heard...from Joe himself and everyone else.  The accounts given by everyone involved are at odds with each other most times.

Joe says that Elvis was found on the bed and that he had just gone upstairs  to talk to him about something and found him not breathing.  

Then again, sometimes, he says that he thought he heard him take a breath and that they attempted to resuscitate him until the ambulance arrived.  Then again, many times he has stated that rigor mortis had set in.  This is spoken to explain why Elvis in the coffin looked different than the Elvis we knew at that time...his nose was flatter.

Then we have the ambulance EMT's attempting resuscitation.  They were joined by Dr. Nick who continued those efforts on the ride to the hospital and then, lastly, the efforts were continued at the hospital.  Rigor mortis?

I want to emphasize that I respect Joe and that I do understand all that he has been through and how loyal he has always been to Elvis/Jesse.  It took a long time for me to reach the decision to place the film of him on the Geraldo show in which he spoke "...and that's how Elvis feels about this situation"  on YouTube and on my site.  Same with the footage of him on Larry King with Gail regarding the pool house door photo.  

I do have Elvis/Jesse's carte blanche permission to share that which I want to on my site.  But, should anything on my site be displeasing to him, I will remove it immediately.

I appreciate so much that Susan shared this video with me.  I had heard that Joe made this statement, but this is the first time that I have seen and heard this myself.

That all being said, please do view it with an open mind.

The owner of this video is tcbhome01 . My sincere thanks to this person for making this available for myself and others to see.

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FRIDAY, AUGUST 6, 2010

 ELVIS  An American Legend October 18, 1995...cover shown below:

Within this publication there is an article titled 50 facts about Elvis.

One of these facts has me thinking Hmmmm!??


Here is the full first page of this article:

Also, something of less importance but interesting...this is something that most of us already knew, but it bears repeating with August 16, 1977 in mind:

THURSDAY, JANUARY 13, 2011

Ron Collamore, E-mailed me earlier this week to share an offer he received from the Richard Nixon Foundation.  The offer is for the sale of a newly released edition of the book titled "The Day Elvis Met Nixon".  This is a wonderful book which I loved.  

This is the first time that I have heard of this book being for sale since many, many years ago when it was originally published.  It is being released now on the anniversary of Elvis's 76th (January and President Nixon's 98th (January 9) birthdays.

I have previously devoted a page of my web site to this book and the letter which President Nixon wrote regarding the book just a few days before he passed away.  If you have missed visiting this page, here is the page title and the link:

Perhaps President Nixon knew that Elvis was still here in 1994
 
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Below is an excerpt from my article on that page:
The statement below is "It remains to be seen, however, whether the author of ......will be resourceful enough to be able to arrange for Elvis to appear at a book signing."



The Day Elvis Met Nixon, White House aide Bud Krogh's first hand account of Elvis Presley's historic meeting with President Nixon, has just been published by the Richard Nixon Foundation and is now available online!
Released on the anniversary of Elvis's 76th (January and President Nixon's 98th (January 9) birthdays, the book is a trove of rare photos, original documents, and anecdotes from the December 21, 1970 encounter presented in a fun and interactive way for readers of all ages.

I have a theory regarding Pearl and if I compare her to Gail Brewer-Giorgio who wrote the book Is Elvis Alive? Pearl is referencing it in her twitlonger post as that is the book that Michael read and copied his "death hoax" from...lol

If she really understood how Elvis/Jesse feels about Gail now I don't think Pearl would be saying he read and copied his hoax from that book.

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I didn't want to go here, but . . .

There's nothing new here, some believe that MJ died on June 25, 2009 and that's that!!! Nothing will sway them one way or another. If MJ did a death hoax, he most certainly would not tell Majestik, he is too easily swayed by women to keep a secret as big as that quiet.

The supposed Majestik Message promoted by the most hated MJ fan, Taaj Malik, is just a part of what she does. Create division so she can be on top. She is nothing to me, but someone people should be very wary of.

Nowhere is my name mentioned nor the name of our documentary. But since receiving so many emails regarding Majestik's Message to the fans--seemingly aimed at our company, I had to respond.

Elvis had the same death hoax and MJ studied the book "Is Elvis Alive?" to the tee and copied it. Like LMP said on Oprah "play after play after play was just like my father's". Not a coincidence but something planned by MJ himself. I didn't create any of the clues, we, the death hoax community, have discovered hundreds of clues why we beLIEve Michael Jackson faked his death.

I'm a reporter and the Michael Jackson death hoax is simply another side of the story that we, at Elbow Grease Productions, decided was worth telling.

Tell everyone not one clue was rejected in that slash and burn note. There are only words based on the arrogance of ignorance and not knowing Michael Joe Jackson. MJ would L.O.V.E. a death hoax and be offended that his stardom was not big enough to create one; that's A REASON why I believe he did it, and for several other bigger reasons to lengthy to explain here. That's why I wrote a 115,000 word EmovieBook, "Pseudocide Did Michael Jackson Fake His Death To Save His Life?" to explain in detail.

The clues are still the clues. Now if we are wrong, show us where and how, but nothing like that, just key words that push people's emotional buttons and that is what Taaj, or whatever her name is, is excellent at.

Dah, of course, if MJ did a death hoax, then the kids would know, so fooey on that plea to create more division among MJ fans and ignite a hateful environment.

MJ wrote and released a note stating "See You In July 2011" and that's what I aim to do and promote "Alive! Is Michael Jackson Really Dead" and every other thing in the death hoax, which is numerous, abundant and quite frankly, fun at times, like the 5 Alive Do Do Bird with a party favor in his mouth on Blanket's birthday this year.

Keep Michaeling and please support the documentary "Alive! Is Michael Jackson Really Dead?" This keeps MJ ALIVE and will keep his legacy vibrant. Taaj doesn't understand how the industry works, she only understands slash and burn tactics--her specialty.

This information below comes from a book called EXTRAORDINARY CARE. Anything sound familiar? Like how long the Dr. was performing CPR on Elvis...hmmm could explain WHY Murray said he performed CPR for so long on Michael.

Below you will see the covers and several pages from a book titled EXTRAORDINARY CARE.  This book was copyrighted by THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION in 1986.  I purchased it back around 1990.  I had not thought to put it on here until today.  It is pretty fascinating.

As you will see on the front cover and the back cover, Elvis is featured with Dr. Nick giving an interview.  I do not recommend this book because the very first page is about Elvis and drugs is very unfair and unkind.  I only bought this book because of the two pages of photos which you will see below.

It is an uncanny "coincidence" that in 1986 (several years before Gail Brewer-Giorgio brought this photo to the public's attention) the photo of Elvis (?) with Muhammad Ali appears on a page facing the photo of Elvis and Dr. Nick.  Also, another interesting "coincidence" is that, on the same page with Elvis is a photo of and a quote from Howard Hughes's Dr.   Perhaps this was one of God's little miracles of synchronicity rather than a "coincidence".  Remember that Elvis believed and said that "There are no coincidences.  Everything has a meaning."  I, too, firmly believe this.

Also, below is a copy of an excerpt from Dr. Nick's interview with the author detailing some of the happenings on August 16, 1977.  The most startling thing is Dr. Nick's statement that he did CPR on Elvis for 45 minutes.  Recall, please, that Joe said that rigor mortis had already set in when he saw him in the bathroom.  Amazing contradictions, aren't they!?

Amazing that Elvis, Muhammad Ali and Howard Hughes are all featured on these two pages facing each other in the book.

So I am not going to post every picture on that page but if anyone is interested there is alot of information on Linda's site that will help to explain some things if you believe in the theory that Michael paralleled alot of his "death" with Elvis' "death". In fact you might want to see the pictures on that page because when they are posted here alot of the text is cut off.

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There are more similarities than not when comparing the deaths. The link above is to a page specifically regarding Elvis' death report and autopsy.

[Its her]

i'm having a hard time with some things
 if FBI are involved and MJ's in WPP then why

a)have Murray in the mix at all
b) leave clues, would the FBI agree to this?
c) would the FBI bother with numerology, or let MJ bother with it?

I never said WPP, others are saying that though.  FBI is involved with much more than just WPP.

The Elvis parallels here are also interesting and informative.  Elvis had governement help, and he did leave clues including numerology.  But he decided not to go into WPP, because it would mean NO more contact with family or friends.  Here is a little on that: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

As far as the numerology, I will discuss that further in another comment reply soon.

I have heard of persons in WPP who eventually opted out, went back to their former life, but it is usually always a permanent change to the new life. Michael Jackson could never  <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: --> come back, from protection. MJ, from at least October 2009, promised us a BAM! <!-- s:D --><!-- s:D -->

Some have asked if MJ is working for the FBI as an agent or if the FBI is working for him.

YOU said, right after your "Elvis parallels" statement, that Elvis had help; i.e., they were helping Elvis. The link paints Elvis in an official capacity of some sort WITH the DEA, yet his badge has no number on it. (So sorry, Elvis, but the president cannot cause anyone to be enlisted anywhere, especially, in Federal Law Enforcement. There may be a genuine Certificate of Merit for his appreciated, Officially Recognized, real assistance, but the rest IS honorary. Enlisted get numbered badges.)

One thing I know about FBI, is, if you are hired in official enlisted capacity, you are given an office, a badge, a gun, and a vehicle. All Law Enforcement Badges are numbered, even those of undercover agents. As enamored as MJ was of the idea of the Police Force, and their pretty uniforms, and cadence together, I CAN'T see MJ accepting a loaded weapon to use for any reason. But...what do I know?

For a long time he was JW, and old training dies hard. They had a rule about enlistment in ANY military service, which included police. Of course, they forbade higher education (College), too, which (I think) was simply too  backwards to take seriously, for someone with his mind. College? Thumbs way up. A service revolver? Heck, NO.

But, there is still a way to work with the FBI, if you have a case. I don't know how exactly this was done, because it is a secret to this day, but I have a friend who worked with three agents to take a certain dangerous foul person, down, and even though I saw my friend every other day, I NEVER knew about any of it until the guy had been convicted and sentenced and put away!!

To this day, I don't know who it was; I never knew about any sting operation or however they did this, no trial or anything. He will not tell me anything. I didn't believe him, so I asked where his gun and badge were. He said he was not FBI---just helping them to break their case.

He wouldn't even tell me how he even happened to meet up with FBI, to come to be doing this!---but, as in MJ's case, my friend and his best friend are in that rare group of folks who use more of their brain than the rest of people---very high I.Q.s ; something foreign governments would kill for. (and I don't doubt that the U.S. gov. would be the same, except for the fact that the lawlessness, arrogance and just plain NWO dumbing down of school children these last 100+ years has made the pool of such geniuses impossible to easily find...)

My genius friend worked and spoke with tons of people daily. I think he heard something, knew IMMEDIATELY what it was and contacted the FBI. But I don't really know. He did tell me it took months to accomplish. This sounds, to me, like what MJ could have been involved with.

You said the FBI is involved with more than WPP, and to that, I would say WAY more. In fact, I have a theory, if anyone has time. <!-- s:) --><!-- s:) --> 

I haven't decided yet, whether all or some of the child molestation rhetoric and actual criminal charges were real or fabricated to provide MJ with a "cover", but, to be politic, I will pretend that all that was real and this just COINCIDENTALLY <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->  made MJ very visible as someone who...maaaaaybe might be interested in child trafficking...

We already know that everyone and their brother hits on wealthy people all the time for money, but THESE bastards are particularly helpful, providing a real and discreet service for the man with discriminating tastes and lots of money.

I have seen parents put action porno pix of their OWN children on a popular list "for a good time", and I KNOW I've only seen the tip of this filthy, rotten iceberg...

MJ, was a very high profile persona, rumored to have a taste for young boys---IN FACT, after his death, certain pedophiles campaigned to make MJ the poster boy for Nambla.This thought would attract every trafficker in the world to get in on a piece of his wealth. Suppose some creep solicited him and he contacted the FBI...

MJ could have been taking down pedophile traffickers for years! I NEVER bought the stories that he cancelled concerts because he had "a fainting spell" or was ill from drugs, and I posted this a few times before: We all KNOW MJ works a show to the end if he's throwing up, back injury, dying.

We have SEEN him, exhausted, dance like he's got The Red Shoes on, for another hour. He doesn't stop a show; he doesn't cancel shows(never mind that he did!!! He may have been extorted into it.)---the show must go on!

Yes he had cancelled shows and came on TV apologizing for "his weakness" so people wouldn't hate him, so people would try to have a heart for him, forgive him. I am convinced the only time he would cancel a show would be if the fans had been threatened in some way.

TPTB threatening to massacre a hundred thousand, here and there, in some random shows. If that was a show YOU had tickets for, MJ most probably saved YOUR LIFE that day. <!-- s:o --><!-- s:o -->

NO lie.

He would NEVER scare us by telling us the reason. We would never know this---he's NOT going to glorify evil. He just keeps the secret, and heroicly PROTECTS... <!-- s:) --><!-- s:) -->

But they must have figured out that it was MJ working undercover, when he actually WAS NEVER into sex with kids, but, doing stings for the Law. This child trafficking network is global and well connected. As parts of the evil were taken down, word must have gotten around that MJ was NOT actually pedophile, but police. Not a Black heart, but a Black NARK. <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> 

They began terrorizing him at his job, threatening to break him at the bank, smother his creativity in future endeavors, and physically harm his fans. BESIDES trafficking children. What is he to do?

Go under further. Underground. DEAD.

"Back" mentioned something, or linked to something once, about MJ coming back to us as a BLACK KNIGHT. I would say, if he has gone that far down, to actually stand in as a fake customer and see these child sex slaves, in order to bust their captors, he must be bawling all the time. Every single day just to wash his eyes of the tragedies.

But it makes sense. omg I believe he would do  <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> ANYTHING <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->  for children. Even subject himself to deep, seething hatred---from strangers, outside, those sheep believing the media lies that he's dirty, and, worse, from inside, coming from his own pure heart, just from what he's seen: horror upon horror which can't ever be undone, even though he's ended the perpetrators' actions...

Can anyone confirm or deny that this could be what Back may have meant about that Black Knight business? or do you think he was just being all mysterious and showbizzy, describing MJ's new STAGE look? 

It is not this darkly serious, is it?

I know MJ is hero material. It is a golden thread through all he says, sings, writes or does. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->  "He's the only one with the heart and power to do this", BJ said. One only needs heart and power for a great sacrificial leap. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

I also know he wanted to be Knighted, once. But there's a [size=14ptHUGE [/size]difference in being "One Hot Knight" , dressed like a wraith or The Batman, in his show...and a real one endangering his own real life...Can anyone say if MJ isn't doing anything remotely this dangerous and psychologically draining?

This is serious heavy stuff. TOO serious for any ARG. It makes aLOT of sense, now, in light of this theory, that his usual bodyguards are no longer with him. The stated reason was, I think, that Miko and others would be recognized and lead people to MJ.
 
But, no... The Man needs ARMED backup, now. omg. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

When will he ever be safe, then?   
Tell me it is not this serious. <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| -->
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[Im_convincedmjalive]

Im_convincedmjalive, I remember reading that before. Makes me think of verses, "And there was war in heaven, Michael fighting with the dragon."  I have no way of knowing if the writer of this info is giving us the actual reality or is mislead. But it is certainly interesting. It makes me think of the Disney 2003 movie, Eloise at Christmastime (cute 6 year old girl and Julie Andrews), there is a funny part in there about the King of Bavaria and in the end someone dresses like him, and Eloise's spying abilities enables the authorities to capture crooks wanted in 3 states for forgery, fraud and extortion. (Clues in movies!)

Here is the first article I ever wrote about the Factions:

FACTION TWO -- THE ABWEHR -- KNIGHTS TEMPLARS
Posted By: Rayelan -

Date: Sunday, 10 September 2000, 5:19 p.m. - An Explanation Faction Two

To really understand where my ex-husband is coming from, when he told me about Faction Two, you need to know a little about him, who he was, where he came from and what he knew.

You might also want to see what he looks like. This is part of the only video interview that is in the public domain. The producers of ABC and Geraldo Rivera's canceled TV program, Now It Can Be Told also have taped interviews of Gunther, but they have never released them.

Admiral Gunther K. Russbacher was a 30 plus year veteran of the CIA and the Office of Naval Intelligence. He was also the co-founder of the print edition of Rumor Mill News.

That is her husband she is talking about here. I took this info from the text I posted above. If you go to that website Rumor Mill News there is alot of information on there that explains who her husband is/was, who she is and what has happened to both of them over the years. There is alot of information on there that is worth reading to gain better insight on the inner workings of undercover work and other points of interest.
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Who Are Gunther and Rayelan Russbacher?

[MJhasSpoken]

So how does the FBI fit with this?

by TS » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:30 am

 

As ignisaeternus just pointed out: "... it has been mentioned numerous times that the 333 pages were released o 12/21 (2009)- which of course is also time of the 911 call." {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  Actually, they were released on 12-22-09; but 12-21 was the date that the 333 pages were supposed to be released, and it got delayed one day because of bad weather.

Anyway, some have questioned if the FBI would be involved in the numerology; and as I already mentioned, Elvis had governement help and also used numerology (including planning the death date to fit the numerology).  So regardless of why, the fact is that they can include numerology--and in fact they already have done so with Elvis, so why not with MJ?

Anyone who has read the numerology posts already knows that 111 is the most fundamental number of the MJ hoax {see especially Update #4, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  Along with almost all of the hoax numbers, 333 also divides evenly by 111.  The chance of this being a coincidence is about 1 in 111.

However, planning to release these exact same 333 pages on 12-21, what are the odds that this was ALSO a coincidence?  With 365 days in a year, it would be 1 chance in 365.  Of course someone could say that there are more opportunities for a coincidence during the year, such as 11-5 (V); however, that date would not divide evenly by 111; and 1221 does divide evenly by 111.  Also, 12:21 is the time of the 911 call.  So there is no day of the year which would fit better to release the 333 pages, than on 12-21 (also the date of TIAI Revealed   ).

Now what are the odds that the pages were 333 by coincidence, AND the planned release was 12-21 by coincidence?  Multiply the two odds: 111 x 365 = one chance in 40,515 that this was just a coincidence.  And if it's not a coincidence, then we know that the FBI are helping with the hoax--and we also know that they are including numerology, just like with Elvis.

Finally, what are the odds that the FBI funeral article with the "Thriller" graveyard would be dated on the anniversary of the MJ burial, just by coincidence--in addition to the above "coincidences" (333 & 12-21), and all the other "coincidences" (FBI cap, other numerology, etc)?

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 :lol:  you can't get everything perfect.  :lol: (in bold)

@ AllinGoodTime I was thinking the same but it doesn't have to be about doctors it could be other things like corruption of the courts or something. But I think when MJ is done with giving the info the FBI want then he will comeback...I'm guessing. So I don't think that the FBI has what they need to stamp out corruption or whatever the case may be. I think and again I'm guessing, that it will probably come out in court.
Soon we have the trial coming up...can't wait.

On the FBI file
It’s a morbid tale involving phony death certificates, staged funerals with paid actors, and coffins buried with no bodies, but in the end, it’s just a financial fraud scheme like thousands of others we investigate every year.
Seems like MJ to me.  8-)

Also since MJ was getting help from the FBI just like Elvis, Elvis still hasn't come back...just saying...I'm not saying he won't...but I'm saying why didn't Elvis come back?

[Ijustcantstoplovingu]

Joe says that Elvis was found on the bed and that he had just gone upstairs to talk to him about something and found him not breathing.   :shock:   since 1977 when Elvis died I always believed/remembered that he died in the bathroom!  :shock:   He was found on the bed not breathing like MJ WOW  :shock:   just the same!

Confirmed in the above video also  

Sorry to go a bit of topic but Im like  :shock:   I never knew that Im sure it wasnt reported that way, I can remember the day Elvis died like yesterday and where I was and what I was doing.   :?

Sorry guys gone a bit off topic but Im like  :shock:

There is indeed much more to all this than it first appears.

Thank you TS for being here and leading us in the right direction.

 

[trustno1]

The myth that people think they know as fact, i.e. Elvis died in the bathroom holding a cheeseburger or whatever they think, is another example of something almost passing into folklore because it's been joked about or parodied so much.  The truth always gets lost in the hearsay.  Now I'm off-topic too Thanks for the guidance TS.

[GINAFELICIA]

I know MJ is hero material. It is a golden thread through all he says, sings, writes or does. 8-)  "He's the only one with the heart and power to do this", BJ said. One only needs heart and power for a great sacrificial leap. :?

Of course he is.
I must have missed when BJ said that  :?

[paula-c]

The comments made by Joe in this tape are totally contradictory to every other account we have heard...from Joe himself and everyone else. The accounts given by everyone involved are at odds with each other most times.

Joe says that Elvis was found on the bed and that he had just gone upstairs to talk to him about something and found him not breathing.

Ijustcantstoplovingu wrote:

Joe says that Elvis was found on the bed and that he had just gone upstairs to talk to him about something and found him not breathing.  since 1977 when Elvis died I always believed/remembered that he died in the bathroom!  He was found on the bed not breathing like MJ WOW  just the same!

Confirmed in the above video also  

Sorry to go a bit of topic but Im like  I never knew that Im sure it wasnt reported that way, I can remember the day Elvis died like yesterday and where I was and what I was doing.  

Sorry guys gone a bit off topic but Im like  

There is indeed much more to all this than it first appears.

Thank you TS for being here and leading us in the right direction.

I also believed that Elvis was found in the bathroom

[Mish1981]

I've always thought that there were similarities between Elvis and Mj's "death", in fact on the original forum I wrote a post about it and pointed out the similarities that I had found. Although it wasn't in depth, I was disappointed when no one responded to it. It looks like I was on the right track this whole time.  

[fordtocarr]

Great post.  Great thinking and reasoning.  Can you tie in the "we have 4 years"? (is that right?)

Hm.. Well, I think Jehova Witness teaching still influenced Michael's spirituality very much (no matter what his non-religious activties were).  According to their teachings, the end of the world does not mean destruction, but deliverance from those who are evil (and I know this because my husband started to have Bible Study every week with a Jehova's Witness).  In that- helping uncover corruption that endangers children on the micro level and (as pointed out by TS can reach up so high it endagners our national security) would fit in with - having 4 years to get it right.  That part, of course, again, was influenced my Michael's religious views.  Now, I know that the JW do not pick 2012- but Michael might have seen this as the dates he had in mind.  Or maybe, 12-21-12 is more of a symblic date (signifying the end) which was then tied in in a more concrete manner into the clues of TII and the hoax.  The four years, using inclusive reckoning, would extend from 2009 until 2012 (counting 2009 as year one- and 2012 as year 4)- as previously discussed.

Ohhh, you know I'd have to respond to the Witness comments ))  It's great for your hubby to be studying the Bible, now matter who with, because it is in doing that that we reach what we can discover as the truth we, individually, can accept.  I did that with MANY religions.  
I also still hear the Witnesses teachings in the songs.  Most recently,Jackie's new single.  It is about changing the world and prejudice.  Jackie said on the online radio show last night, that he wanted some of Michael's words on the single to give reference to these ideas as they are things Michael stood for.  He did add Michael's speaking.  These are things Michael always sang about.  They are JW teachings from the Bible.  You can especially hear these in Can You Feel It.  I wonder about various things though, as when Michael left the organization, he didn't do it because he no longer believed the teachings.  That is why he continued to use his medium to preach these ideals.  But, Witnesses are not into numerology.  So, I don't really put a lot into that, with regards to Witnesses.  But, I DO think that Michael is following the Elvis "script" and therefore, may have used numbers to either give clues or make it a copycat.  This to me, don't give a reason for "4 years" though.  Maybe it will be the end of Obama's first (maybe only)term.  Maybe as he's the first black president, Michael, with the anti-prejudice ideals, don't want Obama to come out as a presidential failure, and the media run with that.  Just an idea.

Anyway- this is just one theorie (as in hyothesis, not as in proven theorie) that's been swirling around in my mind.  

Maybe, to be thorough, we should also look at why the FBI CANNOT be involved- to make sure we have a solid case for involvment.  I already stated that I think they are.  For arguments sake, I am not that great at numerology, so I would need some solid proof to show how it ties in (beyond the 33, the 12-21 release date of the file)- I can see that one could argue, FBI protection or involvment would make aderence to numerology more difficult.  (even though, I am sure that if this went on for years, MJ had established some ammount of creative freedom in how he would pull this off).

I'm not sure yet about the FBI, but it's looking like involvement, especially to overcome some legalities with court and all.  But, it don't have to be that way either.  A lot of this is absorbed on faith for me.  There are a lot of theories on here, and perhaps, trying hard enough, we could make any of them work.  But, why?  Either he'll come back and explain and we'll be right.  Or he won't come back, and we'll still be right, he'll just have decided not to return for his own reasons.  We just won't know what they are.  But, he won't be dead in any reason.  I can live without knowing as long as I believe he's alive.  And I do.

[suspicious mind]

The comments made by Joe in this tape are totally contradictory to every other account we have heard...from Joe himself and everyone else. The accounts given by everyone involved are at odds with each other most times.

Joe says that Elvis was found on the bed and that he had just gone upstairs to talk to him about something and found him not breathing.

Ijustcantstoplovingu wrote:

Joe says that Elvis was found on the bed and that he had just gone upstairs to talk to him about something and found him not breathing.  since 1977 when Elvis died I always believed/remembered that he died in the bathroom!  He was found on the bed not breathing like MJ WOW  just the same!


i think maybe the bathroom factor is supposed to tie in with the drug use and too many peanut butter and banana sandwiches    . i remember reading some alledge autopsy detail of an impacted bowel. and the very last line in the book was the two guys talking and at the same time telling each other that elvis had cancer.Confirmed in the above video also  

Sorry to go a bit of topic but Im like  I never knew that Im sure it wasnt reported that way, I can remember the day Elvis died like yesterday and where I was and what I was doing.  

Sorry guys gone a bit off topic but Im like  

There is indeed much more to all this than it first appears.

Thank you TS for being here and leading us in the right direction.

I also believed that Elvis was found in the bathroom

sorry , got my post in the wrong place. don't know how to fix it so i highlighted it :oops:

[AnaMarcia]

Seems we're finding the light. Thanks TS, I love when you give us important answers.
I've always believed that the FBI help Michael, but I do not think that is a witness protection program, but only an agreement between them.
If it is, Michael can return with the same identity and security, it's right?

[PureLove]

Seems we're finding the light. Thanks TS, I love when you give us important answers.
I've always believed that the FBI help Michael, but I do not think that is a witness protection program, but only an agreement between them.
If it is, Michael can return with the same identity and security, it's right?

Agree and IF Michael is some kind of secret agent in FBI, he doesn't need WPP.

[all4loveandbelieve]

Michael is not a secret agent. More as the FBI is protecting him in some sort of way. But who know with Michael. If Elvis was in the CIA , Michael can be in the FBI.. Nah.. I don't see Michael as an FBI agent. he is too delicate for that.  Elvis was more built, and he also was in the army which is a plus.  This is my opinion. Blessings.