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That was funny longlive, you should have left it.Here's what I found. The "leaf" pattern appears to go behind objects in the foreground in the pic twice. One time the image goes behind the paramedics arm, the second it goes behind the white cloth wee see. See here:This suggests that the image actually existed on the wall/box/side of ambulance interior.I do concede that this could have been manipulated during the editing process.But again the question the shopped theory begs is, why bother?
So now I’m going to start challenging some of the theories out there, on the ambulance photo. Please keep in mind that I’m not trying to pick on anyone specific; I am only asking for critical examination, and clear evidence. And yes, many very good and correct things have been researched and discovered by hoax investigators; I am not trying to discredit all of the tremendous effort that has been put into this for 20 months now. But there are some particular areas that I want to challenge; and if they can be sustained by solid evidence, fine. And if not, then we may need to revise some of our conclusions.Some have said that the photo is fake, because the reflection of the red car is facing the wrong direction. But the red car was parked facing the same direction that the ambulance drove away while leaving, and in the reflection the red car is facing towards the front of the ambulance. A similar idea is that the red car is too low to the ground, for it to be reflected in a window that is much higher than the level of the car. Anyone can debunk this idea by walking up to a mirror (or a window that has a good reflection in it); the closer you get to the mirror/window, the more you can see things lower and lower to the ground. By holding the camera up close to the ambulance window, it would be easy for the camera to see a reflection of something much lower than the ambulance window.Yet another idea is that the red car was parked in the wrong place for it to be reflected in the ambulance window. However, that depends on what point in time the famous ambulance photo was taken. If it was taken while the ambulance was still backing out of the driveway, then yes the car reflection would be wrong; but if the photo was taken later as the ambulance started to pull down the street, then the red car was in the right place to be reflected in the ambulance window.One of the very first theories was that the ambulance photo is fake, because only the yellow shirt guy is there at the window snapping the shot in the still picture (and in the sunshine, no tree shadows); but the red shirt guy is there in the video of it. However, the still photo with only the yellow shirt guy was taken as the ambulance was coming out of the driveway—you can even see the fire engine behind the ambulance in that still picture. The video with the red shirt (and the other guy) is a few seconds later, as the ambulance begins to pull away (and there are shadows of trees in that area).Another common idea is that you can’t take a picture through the tinted ambulance window. This point has already been questioned and debated on the hoax forums quite a bit, and several people—even of those who support the hoax—think that it can be done, if you use the right camera, settings, and flash (which is no doubt what professional paparazzi would be prepared to do). Just because someone tried to do it with a cell phone, and didn’t get good results, means nothing; cell phones don’t normally have flash, and they certainly aren’t the high quality camera and flash equipment that would come on a paparazzi camera. So we can’t really use this tinted glass argument as solid evidence. For those who want to research it, there is actually a lot of information on the internet (having nothing to do specifically with MJ or ambulances) about taking pictures through dark or tinted windows.I’m not going to take the time to include pictures of these things, which most of us have seen hundreds of times now; but if anyone else wants, they can add the pictures of the things we are discussing here. In my next comment, I will start a detailed examination of the possibilities about the leaf pattern, etc.
Another common idea is that you can’t take a picture through the tinted ambulance window. This point has already been questioned and debated on the hoax forums quite a bit, and several people—even of those who support the hoax—think that it can be done, if you use the right camera, settings, and flash (which is no doubt what professional paparazzi would be prepared to do).
So now I’m going to start challenging some of the theories out there, on the ambulance photo. Please keep in mind that I’m not trying to pick on anyone specific; I am only asking for critical examination, and clear evidence. And yes, many very good and correct things have been researched and discovered by hoax investigators; I am not trying to discredit all of the tremendous effort that has been put into this for 20 months now. But there are some particular areas that I want to challenge; and if they can be sustained by solid evidence, fine. And if not, then we may need to revise some of our conclusions.Some have said that the photo is fake, because the reflection of the red car is facing the wrong direction. But the red car was parked facing the same direction that the ambulance drove away while leaving, and in the reflection the red car is facing towards the front of the ambulance.
A similar idea is that the red car is too low to the ground, for it to be reflected in a window that is much higher than the level of the car. Anyone can debunk this idea by walking up to a mirror (or a window that has a good reflection in it); the closer you get to the mirror/window, the more you can see things lower and lower to the ground. By holding the camera up close to the ambulance window, it would be easy for the camera to see a reflection of something much lower than the ambulance window.
Yet another idea is that the red car was parked in the wrong place for it to be reflected in the ambulance window. However, that depends on what point in time the famous ambulance photo was taken. If it was taken while the ambulance was still backing out of the driveway, then yes the car reflection would be wrong; but if the photo was taken later as the ambulance started to pull down the street, then the red car was in the right place to be reflected in the ambulance window.
One of the very first theories was that the ambulance photo is fake, because only the yellow shirt guy is there at the window snapping the shot in the still picture (and in the sunshine, no tree shadows); but the red shirt guy is there in the video of it. However, the still photo with only the yellow shirt guy was taken as the ambulance was coming out of the driveway—you can even see the fire engine behind the ambulance in that still picture. The video with the red shirt (and the other guy) is a few seconds later, as the ambulance begins to pull away (and there are shadows of trees in that area).
Another common idea is that you can’t take a picture through the tinted ambulance window. This point has already been questioned and debated on the hoax forums quite a bit, and several people—even of those who support the hoax—think that it can be done, if you use the right camera, settings, and flash (which is no doubt what professional paparazzi would be prepared to do). Just because someone tried to do it with a cell phone, and didn’t get good results, means nothing; cell phones don’t normally have flash, and they certainly aren’t the high quality camera and flash equipment that would come on a paparazzi camera. So we can’t really use this tinted glass argument as solid evidence. For those who want to research it, there is actually a lot of information on the internet (having nothing to do specifically with MJ or ambulances) about taking pictures through dark or tinted windows.
I’m not going to take the time to include pictures of these things, which most of us have seen hundreds of times now; but if anyone else wants, they can add the pictures of the things we are discussing here. In my next comment, I will start a detailed examination of the possibilities about the leaf pattern, etc.
Pushing further, the shadow cast by the paramedics arm makes the portion of the pattern that it falls over stand out more.This is strange to me because a shadow blocks light. Light is what allows your eye (or a camera lens) to "see" detail.In this case, the shadow appears to enhance our ability to see the pattern detail.Ps. TS, thank you for the A for awesome. lol.
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I'm starting to think this photo was taken in a set and not inside an ambulance. Just a thought....