Body language analysis of O2 press conference.

Started by EyeHeartMJ, February 23, 2011, 03:26:40 AM

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I viewed this particular video of the press conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE

I'm no expert, but I've read a lot of body language books, I'm really into psychology (hoping to study it soon.)  I found new, interesting things from the video as I went along, that I'd never noticed until now.  Here's my take it on it, and I hope it makes sense:

When Michael starts to say "These will be..." he uses what experts call a "politician's point" which, as the name suggests it's the gesture a lot of politicians use. It means they are trying to get a clear point across.  The gesture is when he presses his index finger and thumb together.

Michael then shows the palm of his hand for quite a long time. Any time we see the palm, we can assume the person is honest.  Perhaps Michael knows this and kept it up for a long time, purposely to gain the audience's trust; as if to prove he is being honest.  After this he goes back to the politician's point.

He then starts to say "This will be it, and when I say this is it, it really means this is it..."  and right as he says "it really means this is it" he closes his fingers over his palm (not so honest?)

He starts giggling which could be from all the attention and he feels embarrassed (he's done that plenty of times) and he leans over the podium, as if he doesn't want to look at the audience (again may just be embarrassment.) The hand over the chest implies again, honesty, sincerity.  But he puts his left hand first and then right, so both hands are on his chest. Defensiveness, insecurity maybe?  

Then he smiles and touches his bottom lip: "I'll be performing the songs my fans wanna hear." When he says the word "fans" his shoulders go up, that suggests tension, nervousness.  Touching the lip/laughing could mean lying but any time anything goes up to the mouth, it means the person is seeking reassurance.  So insecurity is there.

Then he starts saying again "This is it, I mean this is really it..." Notice the palm is back, just like the first time he tried to make it clear "This is it."

Something else I just picked up on (I'm watching it bit-by-bit as I type this to be sure I don't miss something lol.)  he then says "I'll see you in July."  Do you notice when he pronounces the word "July" it makes the whole statement sound more like a question.  More like "I'll see you in July?"  This means he is unsure of himself because if he was sure of himself it would come out like a definite statement.  Maybe he was unsure if he could go through with the concerts, or maybe he knew there wouldn't be any concerts.

Omg another thing I only just noticed. Look at 4:45 in the clip.  After he says "I'll see you in July" (sounding like a question) he says "And..." He is smiling and he suddenly closes his mouth. Watch his throat! He swallows! He could be lying, or feeling nervous.  Why, I wonder?  He then tilts his head to the audience, did he just see someone who made him nervous?

THEN he puts his hand up, giggles and says "I love you. I really do..." Now, go back to my last paragraph. What did he mean when he said "And..." AND WHAT Michael?  It looked like he wanted to add something, then stopped himself and felt nervous, thus closing his mouth to swallow.  Then, to distract the audience from what he almost said after the "And..." he puts his hand up (another palm), giggles and tells them he loves them a few times.  "You have to know that" he says. Why do we *have* to know it? All his fans know he loves them back.  I don't think I've ever heard him tell an audience he loves them the way he did.  I know it was meant to be his final shows, but if he said it in such a final way because of that, surely he would make more of a speech, thanking people throughout his career, his family, fans?  He would be clearer and say thanks for all the decades of loyal fans, and thanks to all the people he worked with.  The whole speech just sounded so disjointed.


He definitely looked nervous about something, I can tell you that much.  Either he was nervous of his fans' reactions to him implying he was retiring, or he was nervous because he was hiding something.  He couldn't possibly be that nervous out of shyness and the embarrassment of all his fans cheering for him; he has done plenty of other speeches (recent ones) where fans were cheering him on, yet he did not act that way.

HOLY cow I just picked up something else.  At 3:31 he says "These will be my final show performances...in London." WATCH the way he emphasises the word London. After he says "performances" he moves his head quickly to ADD the word "London."  He also raises his eyebrows when he adds "London."  So does that mean it's his last shows in London, but not elsewhere?  It looks as if he adds "in London" to clarify he only means London and not elsewhere. Can you see what I mean?  Watch closely.

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Lovely One

February 23, 2011, 09:14:48 PM #15 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!

Great analysis!!  I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also
believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!

Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool!



"Those who were dancing were thought to be quite insane by those who could not
hear the music....."

all4loveandbelieve

February 23, 2011, 09:25:44 PM #16 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings.



I'm happy to be alive, I'm happy to be who I am.
Michael Jackson

EyeHeartMJTopic starter

February 23, 2011, 10:22:06 PM #17 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"

EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings.

Oh it's cool that we have a psychologist on the site  :) and yeah I don't know what to make of it now, haven't really considered it being an impersonator but if it is then it must be a damn good take-off...perhaps the real Michael taught him exactly how to act...but how could you explain the voice he had? Only when he said "Thank you all" his voice went deeper than normal. But otherwise it was MJ's voice? I mean, he couldn't have mimed it that well could he?  :?
Quote from: "Lovely One"

Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!

Great analysis!!  I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!

Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool!

Yeah that would be awesome! Yeah I was thinking the timing of the conference was just too close to his "death" and I think others have said he did it that way so it would not be a shock to anyone, as in, it's more convincing as people would think "oh, it's all the pressure and physical activity that caused his cardiac arrest, no wonder..." and if there were doubles in TII it also adds up. Instead of just out of the blue he has a cardiac arrest. Because also if it was out of the blue, people would be suspicious as to why Conrad Murray just happened to be with him.  Whereas it's more believable if he's got upcoming "concerts", of course he'd want a doctor with him to keep him healthy etc.

@ curls Ok good to know the event was genuine.  Maybe it was the front people who were actors, I do still think they seemed a bit fake.

Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way  :lol:

Hold me, like the river Jordan
And I will then say to thee
You are my friend

becca26

February 23, 2011, 10:39:07 PM #18 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "EyeHeartMJ"

Quote from: "becca26"

Great job hun!!! Also everytime I see him jumping around at the O2 I picture Tom Cruz on Oprah's show when he was telling her how much he loved Katie.....It was just not MJ like to me....I think of Tom Cruz everytime I see him when it comes to the O2 :lol:

:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Omg I never thought of that. That's exactly what it was like!

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Ok I am not alone lol O2 and Tom cruz lol thats what I see, I need to up load that video clip. :D

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people & use things instead of using people & loving things."
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becca26

February 23, 2011, 10:57:59 PM #19 Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 07:39:25 AM by ForstAMoon

Here Tom Cruz reminds me of the O2 a bit. <!-- s:lol: --> :lol: <!-- s:lol: -->

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people & use things instead of using people & loving things."
"Some see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not." -George Bernard Shaw

curls

February 24, 2011, 02:50:32 AM #20 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "EyeHeartMJ"

Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way  :lol:

He hosts X Factor in the UK and he always sounds like this!!

Aintnosunshine

February 24, 2011, 12:48:47 PM #21 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Tom Cruse must have been on drugs.

And maybe Michael wasn`t quite "alone" at the O2 stage, but it was him,for sure.

All I`ll say:  The eyebrow-effect...!

[size=150]L.O.V.E.  Aintnosunshine[/size]


Datroot

February 24, 2011, 12:54:38 PM #22 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

The 02 announcement was real - my work colleague was there.  She was fairly near the front and said she though MH look totally different to how she'd seen him in the past - she has been to several MJ concerts with me.



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karen924

February 24, 2011, 03:14:30 PM #23 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "Datroot"

The 02 announcement was real - my work colleague was there.  She was fairly near the front and said she though MH look totally different to how she'd seen him in the past - she has been to several MJ concerts with me.

Did she how he looked different? Does she feel it was mJ or not MJ? It would be interesting to find out what someone who was there thought.

Hugs and Love


all4loveandbelieve

February 24, 2011, 06:11:47 PM #24 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "EyeHeartMJ"

Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"

EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings.

Oh it's cool that we have a psychologist on the site  :) and yeah I don't know what to make of it now, haven't really considered it being an impersonator but if it is then it must be a damn good take-off...perhaps the real Michael taught him exactly how to act...but how could you explain the voice he had? Only when he said "Thank you all" his voice went deeper than normal. But otherwise it was MJ's voice? I mean, he couldn't have mimed it that well could he?  :?
Quote from: "Lovely One"

Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!

Great analysis!!  I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!

Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool!

Yeah that would be awesome! Yeah I was thinking the timing of the conference was just too close to his "death" and I think others have said he did it that way so it would not be a shock to anyone, as in, it's more convincing as people would think "oh, it's all the pressure and physical activity that caused his cardiac arrest, no wonder..." and if there were doubles in TII it also adds up. Instead of just out of the blue he has a cardiac arrest. Because also if it was out of the blue, people would be suspicious as to why Conrad Murray just happened to be with him.  Whereas it's more believable if he's got upcoming "concerts", of course he'd want a doctor with him to keep him healthy etc.

@ curls Ok good to know the event was genuine.  Maybe it was the front people who were actors, I do still think they seemed a bit fake.

Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way  :lol:

Not at the begining. If you close your eyes, and listen to him starting his speech that is not michael's voice. totally different. Than his voice started to be like Michael's than it went deeper. This man is not Michael. Just try it dear, and let me know.



I'm happy to be alive, I'm happy to be who I am.
Michael Jackson

hesouttamylife

February 24, 2011, 06:32:03 PM #25 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Can someone explain to me the salute, the turn and then the wave from behind?  I have never seen him end a speech or ever make an exit like that before.  He almost semed as though he didn't know exactly where the exit was. :?

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue."

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World...
   and leaving me Speechless!

"True goodbyes are the ones never said

DancingTheDream

February 24, 2011, 06:57:13 PM #26 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "EyeHeartMJ"

Also the English guy at the end, it seemed inappropriate and very rude he would say "was that weird for you too?" Actually it just occurred to me right now; MJ hated the English tabloids. Do you think there's a connection between that and why this would be held in London?

No, Dermot O'Leary was not being rude. x

EyeHeartMJTopic starter

February 24, 2011, 08:19:32 PM #27 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"

Quote from: "EyeHeartMJ"

Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"

EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings.

Oh it's cool that we have a psychologist on the site  :) and yeah I don't know what to make of it now, haven't really considered it being an impersonator but if it is then it must be a damn good take-off...perhaps the real Michael taught him exactly how to act...but how could you explain the voice he had? Only when he said "Thank you all" his voice went deeper than normal. But otherwise it was MJ's voice? I mean, he couldn't have mimed it that well could he?  :?
Quote from: "Lovely One"

Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!

Great analysis!!  I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!

Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool!

Yeah that would be awesome! Yeah I was thinking the timing of the conference was just too close to his "death" and I think others have said he did it that way so it would not be a shock to anyone, as in, it's more convincing as people would think "oh, it's all the pressure and physical activity that caused his cardiac arrest, no wonder..." and if there were doubles in TII it also adds up. Instead of just out of the blue he has a cardiac arrest. Because also if it was out of the blue, people would be suspicious as to why Conrad Murray just happened to be with him.  Whereas it's more believable if he's got upcoming "concerts", of course he'd want a doctor with him to keep him healthy etc.

@ curls Ok good to know the event was genuine.  Maybe it was the front people who were actors, I do still think they seemed a bit fake.

Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way  :lol:

Not at the begining. If you close your eyes, and listen to him starting his speech that is not michael's voice. totally different. Than his voice started to be like Michael's than it went deeper. This man is not Michael. Just try it dear, and let me know.

I was talking about the host guy sounding mean but apparently he wasn't so never mind...  :lol:

But yeah I heard MJ's voice go deep when he said "Thank you all" but I thought his voice was actually deep anyway?

I think his jumping around & chanting "This is it" maybe he was either high or pretending to be high, to create the confusion and get people talking/wondering...also when he "died" people would look back and say "well he did act differently so it's no wonder he passed, if he was taking drugs..." so it would be more convincing...ahh I don't know  :roll:

Hold me, like the river Jordan
And I will then say to thee
You are my friend

EyeHeartMJTopic starter

February 24, 2011, 08:54:13 PM #28 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

In thinking about if the O2 guy was a double or not, I got wondering about the lines on his left palm.  If someone has a better shot of the O2 guy's left palm please put it up for comparison.  The only one I could find is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/42390966@N05/4096385371/

I then found 3 pics of the real Michael's left palm:

http://realurbanentertainment.blogspot. ... chive.html (you need to scroll down for that one)

http://fred-astaire.blogspot.com/2008_0 ... chive.html

http://www.pbpulse.com/gossip/celeb-sta ... l-charges/

Let me know your opinions!  :P
Hold me, like the river Jordan
And I will then say to thee
You are my friend

Liberian Girl Heehee

February 24, 2011, 11:14:30 PM #29 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Whenever I see this picture of the real Michael standing at the curtain watching the O2 crowd, I gotta believe that the two are not the same people.  The one at the curtain sure looks like the MIchael we know much more than the O2 guy.  IMHO


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