MJ's Kids -- Murray Couldn't Have Killed Our Dad

[paula-c]

paula-c wrote:

And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.

Being tested the acts of June 25
aaah Any and 911 call was made from a hotel....

TS wrote:
4-23. The 911 Call Was at 12:21

Whether you think MJ really died, or it's all a hoax, everyone recognizes that the whole thing kicked off with a 911 phone call placed at 12:21 PM on 6-25-09. However, all the other timing was planned: death 77 days until 9-9-09; memorial on 7-7 (full moon), and 7 years from will; burial 7 days from 9-9-09 (and essentially full moon), etc. So is it possible that the timing of the 911 call was also planned? Yes, there are several ways to show that 12:21 was planned.

First, the call was received at exactly 12:21, and 4 seconds; you can see this in the centre of the computer screen {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=254; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson}. You can be sure that emergency facilities have their time very accurate, down to the second. Also, most cell phones today have very accurate time set automatically; so it was easy for the 911 caller to know the exact time.

With most phones, you can preset a speed dial (such as 911) with one button; so it would only take a second or two to place the call. Then the 911 operator would answer immediately, as soon as the call comes through. So if the caller was waiting for the right time to make the call, 12:21—and then pushed the speed dial button—about 4 seconds into the minute is what we would expect, for when the 911 operator would receive the call.

This does not mean that the exact second was planned; it would be difficult to get the call through on a specific second. However, the exact minute was planned; and as soon as the planned minute arrived, the call was placed.

This explains why the 911 call was not made earlier. If it had been a real emergency, obviously there would've been no hesitation or waiting until 12:21 to make the call; but since this was all planned, down to the minute, nobody was put in danger by waiting until 12:21 to place the 911 call.

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4-24. Was the "Death" Time (2:26) Also Planned?

Quite obviously, the exact minute of the 911 call was planned. Could it be, then, that the exact minute of the "death" (2:26 PM) was also planned? Once you realize that MJ has been planning this for decades (see 4-27): you should not be too surprised to find that yes, the exact minute of the death was part of the plan (by the way, the redirect about 12:21 and 2:26 was done on 2-26).

8-)

[PureLove]

"Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world." Reminds me of Paris' speech. Our daddy is the best father in the whole world  :D

Exactly and plus: THIS IS THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH! ;) Murray Couldn't Have Killed their Dad because he is a friend and was helping him out. :D

Haha..they're spoon-feeding the hoax to the public.

First stage: Murray couldn't have killed our Dad.
Second stage: Nobody could have killed our Dad.
Third, and last stage: If nobody killed the Dad...the Dad is ALIVE!

Exactly! :lol: And fourth stage: MJ BAMS!  :D

[Lovely One]

BTW - it is nice to see the timing the article was posted

2/20/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff

Hmmm....Good observation Forest!  ;)  :D

[scorpionchik]

"Grace offered no further explanation about the mysterious leverage.
And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place."

Is leverrage about the different names used instead of MJ to get medications for Michael? I guess so.

What Florida trip, when, is this 911 call about June 25,2009?

So, kids and Michael were in Florida when MJ "died"in 06/25/09 at Carolwood Drive in Los Angeles house and 911 call was made from the Florida hotel but it is unclear when incident (death) took place. Is that it? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
This is mandarin, not English; really bomshell........ unless I am missing something.

[SoldierofLOVE]

Here's another view of Grace in Time online depicting her as someone who was so loyal to Michael that she would never share any information about him in public.  

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1911880,00.html

The Michael Jackson Case: The Return of the Nanny
By Bryan Alexander / Los Angeles Wednesday, Jul. 22, 2009

An enigmatic woman in Michael Jackson's inner circle is re-emerging just as the battle over the guardianship and paternity of his kids continues. Grace Rwaramba — the Rwandan nanny of Prince Michael I, 12; Paris Michael Katherine, 11; and Prince Michael II (known as Blanket), 7 — is the woman Jackson insiders describe as the most maternal personality the children have known. She left Jackson's employ, perhaps dismissed, last year but is now staging a comeback that may be key to the fate of the three young Jacksons. Indeed, her return to the side of the children — and the Jackson clan — may reinforce, at least in the public eye, the family's claim to being the best guarantors of the children's well-being.

Rwaramba worked for Jackson for 17 years, first as his secretary and then, after the children arrived, as their nanny. According to sources, Rwaramba is resuming the work she did throughout the children's lives. Her job ended abruptly in 2008 when she was allegedly fired by Jackson for yet-established reasons. Since his death, however, sources say Rwaramba has resumed child-caring duties at the Jackson clan's Encino, Calif., compound and was seen taking the children to Jehovah's Witness classes.

Introduced to Jackson by his friend Deepak Chopra, Rwaramba was such a constant in the singer's life that there were even rumors that they were secretly married. But according to documents filed in Nevada's Clark County, she was married to her first husband during the majority of her employment with Jackson and married her second husband, Joseph Kisembo, in December 2008. There were other, almost Svengali-like rumors. "I hear some odd things about her — this woman in the background with all of this power, flexing her muscles," says former Jackson spiritual adviser Firpo Carr. "That's not the Grace I know. Unless she has this other secret life I don't know about," says Carr. "She is one of the humblest people I have been around."

Others are sensitive to the pivotal position Rwaramba occupied in Jackson's life. "You have to be aware of the most powerful nanny in the universe," says a former Jackson confidant. "She was the gatekeeper for Michael, and she wielded that power. She absolutely did."

Her influence on the children was undeniable. "Grace was like the mother, and Michael was the father," says Jackson friend and filmmaker Bryan Michael Stoller, who often visited Neverland. "The only person I saw get close to the kids besides Michael was Grace." Rwaramba returned at their time of crisis. The actor Mark Lester, star of the movie musical Oliver! and godfather to Jackson's children, spoke to her soon after the singer's sudden death and describes her as "shocked and grief stricken." Still, Lester tells TIME, "she's a very strong person, and she's a tower of strength for the children. She is the closest thing to a mother that they have ever experienced." While not sure if her return is permanent, he adds, "Right now, it's important they have some continuity."

Carr says some of the talk about Grace came about as a result of her loyal silence about Jackson. In a world where former friends and employees often sold their version of life with Jackson to the highest tabloid bidder, Rwaramba maintained her secrets.

There was therefore disbelief at a story that appeared shortly after Jackson's June 25 death. Britain's Sunday Times wrote a piece quoting Rwaramba allegedly giving explosive details about Jackson's drug use. The story cited her attempts to curb his addiction as the reason she was let go. "I had to pump his stomach many times. He always mixed so much of it," the paper quoted Rwaramba as saying. "There was one period that it was so bad that I didn't let the children see him ... He always ate too little and mixed too much." Rwaramba quickly put out a statement disavowing the piece: "I don't even know how to pump a stomach." She said she had never spoken to the Sunday Times: "The statements attributed to me confirm the worst in human tendencies to sensationalize tragedy and smear reputations for profit."

The incident did little to damage her relationship with the family. The next day, Joe Jackson, the star's father, publicly called Rwaramba "a good friend of the family and to the kids," going so far as to say a more permanent role in their lives was under consideration. Rwaramba was also given prime position in the official Michael Jackson souvenir book at the lavish public memorial. "Thank you for entrusting me with your precious children, my love for them will never waver," she wrote in its final solo entry.

"She is totally dedicated to the children and will do whatever it takes to make the children happy," Chopra tells TIME. "She will play a large part in those children's lives," says Carr. Her work may be key as details of Jackson's alleged drug use emerge. Addiction specialist Dr. Drew Pinksy tells TIME that children of addicted parents frequently suffer from a sense of abandonment, but the caring, "emotionally available" support that Jackson set up could provide a "life-saving link that might help these children stay healthy. I'm praying for the status quo for these kids." In the eyes of many Jackson watchers, Rwaramba is that status quo.

[onthewingsoflove]

I think now is a good time to believe more than ever.
This trial is slowly going down the drain one drip at a time.

BAM!!

[longlivetheking]

OK, so according to this article, MJ's children KNOW how to place a call to 911 because on one occasion they DID just that - called 911 from the hotel on their trip to Florida.  If one of his children witnessed the so-called events on the afternoon of 6/25/09; one would think the child would have called 911 on that date as well???

[scorpionchik]

OK, so according to this article, MJ's children KNOW how to place a call to 911 because on one occasion they DID just that - called 911 from the hotel on their trip to Florida.  If one of his children witnessed the so-called events on the afternoon of 6/25/09; one would think the child would have called 911 on that date as well???

thanks, so the trip to Florida had happened some other day before June 25,2009. Now it is clear. TMZ has started to speak tagalog for some reason. Speak English Harvey!
Exactly, that is what I was always surprised too; how come no one besides Murray could call 911?

[RunFaYaLife]

OK, so according to this article, MJ's children KNOW how to place a call to 911 because on one occasion they DID just that - called 911 from the hotel on their trip to Florida. If one of his children witnessed the so-called events on the afternoon of 6/25/09; one would think the child would have called 911 on that date as well???

No access to a telephone....remember there were no landlines or so it is said.

thanks, so the trip to Florida had happened some other day before June 25,2009. Now it is clear. TMZ has started to speak tagalog for some reason. Speak English Harvey!
Exactly, that is what I was always surprised too; how come no one besides Murray could call 911?

MJ used to go to Florida quite a bit...he had so called friends there....Brett Ratner, Al Malnik, [maybe some not user friends too]  took the kids to Disneyland....and  he also took those horrid Avrizo kids that brought yet more pretend child molestation charges against him.

[becca26]

Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....then the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :?  Don't know why he did that  :lol:

[Andrea]

Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....the the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :?  Don't know why he did that  :lol:

:lol:
That's cute.  Maybe he didn't want anyone saying he would be there so he could be the one.  Just like how he'll decide when he returns, it'll be on his cue.

[becca26]

Whom knows when it comes to this man :lol:  :D

[lovemj4everandever]

:mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

[chloead505]

Oh, btw, Murray was a regular around the house. OK. But he didnt know the address of the compound? YEAH RIGHT!

[RunFaYaLife]

Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....then the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :? Don't know why he did that :lol:

lmao!  TOO FUNNY!