MJ's Kids -- Murray Couldn't Have Killed Our Dad

[chloead505]

"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."

:roll:  We shall see...

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Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial?  Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team.  That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team.  So MJ is being revealed piece by piece  :)

This is from the wikipedia.

Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]

On April 26, 2004, Michael Jackson removed Mark Geragos as his attorney, replacing him with Thomas Mesereau. In a public statement provided by his spokesperson Raymone Bain, Jackson stated, "It is imperative that I have the full attention of those who are representing me. My life is at stake..." suggesting that Geragos may not have had enough time to handle his case because of Geragos' workload.[23] Geragos, for his part, later said he was dismayed to see Jackson climb atop a sport utility vehicle to the cheers of his fans after leaving the Santa Barbara County, California courthouse in January 2004 when he was first arraigned on the initial complaint.[24] Geragos' co-counsel Benjamin Brafman also expressed disapproval of Jackson's actions.[24] "Although [in January] the lawyers explained the behavior as 'Michael being Michael,' " The New York Times reported, "they are said to have privately expressed consternation at the display of frivolity in the face of serious charges."[24]

My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.

[shelby61]

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Dr. Conrad Murray, whose involuntary manslaughter trial starts next month, has hired a new lawyer for his legal team.

Los Angeles lawyer Nareg Gourjian will assist lawyers Ed Chernoff and J. Michael Flanagan in defending Murray, who is charged in pop star Michael Jackson's death.

A document filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Monday said Gourjian is replacing Joseph Low, who is leaving the Murray defense team.

Gourjian is a former of associate of Mark Geragos, a lawyer known for high-profile criminal cases. He helped Geragos with those cases, including Chris Brown's domestic violence charge and the trial of Scott Peterson, who was convicted of killing his wife.

Gourjian currently represents Joe Finley, an "America's Got Talent" prospect whose wife was found dead last fall at a Los Angeles hotel.

Murray is accused of killing Michael Jackson in June of 2009 with an overdose of the anesthetic propofol.

The defense lawyers and prosecution will meet for a hearing Tuesday to discuss discovery motions and other issues as they prepare for the start of jury selection on March 24.

Judge Michael Pastor ruled last week that the trial can be televised.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/14 ... index.html

[shelby61]

Possible conflict of interest delays new lawyer for Dr. MurrayBy Alan Duke, CNNFebruary 15, 2011 5:50 p.m. EST
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Murray wants lawyer Nareg Gourjian to join his defense team
Gourjian's old firm says he worked on Michael Jackson's criminal defense
The judge will decide if there is a conflict of interest
Gourjian says he was too busy with Scott Peterson to work for Jackson
Los Angeles (CNN) -- The judge delayed a decision on allowing a new lawyer to join Dr. Conrad Murray's defense team until he can determine if there is a conflict of interest.

The lawyer, Nareg Gourjian, had worked on Michael Jackson's child molestation defense.

Murray, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson, wants Gourjian to replace Joseph Low, who left the defense team earlier this month.

Gourjian's former law firm, headed by lawyer Mark Geragos, raised the possible conflict of interest before Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor at a hearing Tuesday.

"We have a great amount of respect for Mr. Gourjian, but it is our duty to disclose his participation in our past representation for Mr. Jackson," Geragos and Geragos attorney Pat Harris said.

The Geragos firm represented Jackson for two years starting in 2003, when he was charged with child molestation. Jackson replaced Geragos with Thomas Mesereau in 2004, saying he wanted an attorney who would devote his full time to his case.

Geragos was also defending Scott Peterson, who was charged with murdering his wife, at the same time.

Gourjian told the judge he was "in no way inolved" in the Jackson case because he was "a brand-new lawyer" busy working on the Scott Peterson murder case at the time.

The decision rests on if Gourjian's work for Jackson was "substantially related" to the current case and if his work for the defense would require "Gourjian to attempt to discredit his former client directly or indirectly," Pastor said.

The judge delayed a decision until more facts are provided by Geragos and there is a response from the lawyer for Michael Jackson's estate.

Mark Geragos will be asked to appear at the next hearing on February 24, the judge said.

Murray is also represented by Houston lawyer Ed Chernoff and J. Michael Flanagan of Los Angeles.

The defense demanded a speedy trial at last month's arraignment, the trial to start by the end of March. Jury selection is now set for March 24.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/15/cal ... index.html
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[Grace]

And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.

Being tested the acts of June 25 :?:  :lol:

1) The first information TMZ distributed was:

Michael Jackson -- Cardiac Arrest
6/25/2009 1:30 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

UPDATE -- Michael Jackson passed away today at the age of 50.
Click here for the latest.

We've just learned Michael Jackson was taken by ambulance to a hospital in Los Angeles ... and we're told it was cardiac arrest and that paramedics administered CPR in the ambulance ... and it's looking bad.

He was picked up at his home around 20 minutes ago -- we're told his mother is on the way to visit him.

UPDATE: The 911 call came in at 12:21PM at his Holmby Hills home in L.A.

UPDATE: A Jackson family member tells TMZ Michael is in "really bad shape" and the brothers are headed to UCLA.

UPDATE: We just got off the phone with Joe Jackson, Michael's dad, who says "he is not doing well."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-rushed-to-the-hospital/

Content of this article is likely to have been changed over the months, but NOT the PASSING.
A link is directed to the "DIES" conclusive article - why adding so much drama in present tense btw?:

Michael Jackson Dies
6/25/2009 2:20 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/

2) Grace claims to have been with the family in Florida. (Who was with his family in FL?)

3) The kids are said to have called 911. (They know.)

We have again:
1) twisting words + present tense mixed up with past tense -
the "time theme / sleep theme" is on again
2) the family theme
3) the 911 theme.

We are currently missing the
4) child support theme
5) bad theme
6) burn theme
7) change theme.

Watch for the next TMZ articles...

And then:

Some cultural tenets associated with rave culture are:
* "Peace"
* "Love"
* "Unity"
* "Respect"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rave

(That makes me remember my best rave ever which took place in a huge garage somewhere near Redwood, hahaha, we were dancing on top of the roofs of some Chevys from the 50s and God knows I even learned that night how to sleep for some minutes in that heat...  :lol: )

Michael, you rock more than ever... hope you're having a good rave right now...

[katy (MJFAN7)]

MJ's Kids -- Murray Couldn't Have Killed Our Dad... because he's alive and we talk to him all the time :D

[shelby61]

"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."

:roll:  We shall see...

_________________

Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial?  Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team.  That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team.  So MJ is being revealed piece by piece  :)

This is from the wikipedia.

Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]

My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.

Of course it is not a personal conflict, and it is total nonsense.  Law firms can put up firewalls if there is a conflict.... and any legal person would know what I mean by this.

[chloead505]

"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."

:roll:  We shall see...

_________________

Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial?  Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team.  That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team.  So MJ is being revealed piece by piece  :)

This is from the wikipedia.

Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]

My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.

Of course it is not a personal conflict, and it is total nonsense.  Law firms can put up firewalls if there is a conflict.... and any legal person would know what I mean by this.

Here is one  :)

[shelby61]

Murray has an almost "sad puppy dog" look on his face...like "I'm not the bad guy!".

Michael Jackson's children refused to believe their dad died of a heart attack

Once again, wasn't it a "cardiac arrest" if we're sticking to the official story that Michael is "dead"?  And children know best, they know and speak the truth.

paula-c wrote:

And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.

Being tested the acts of June 25  

aaah Any and 911 call was made from a hotel.... 8-)

Good one paula!  Another parallel to the fictitious events of June 25th, 2009.

I think this picture is how Michael was feeling when he was going through his trial.  I believe that some of these pictures represent the parallels of how Michael was feeling at the time, especially the comparison pictures.

[voiceforthesilent]

"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."

:roll:  We shall see...

_________________

Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial?  Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team.  That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team.  So MJ is being revealed piece by piece  :)

This is from the wikipedia.

Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]

My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.

Of course it is not a personal conflict, and it is total nonsense.  Law firms can put up firewalls if there is a conflict.... and any legal person would know what I mean by this.

Here is one  :)

Yes, coming from the two of you who work in that field, I will believe you. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us! Blessings.

[chloead505]

"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."

:roll:  We shall see...

_________________

Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial?  Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team.  That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team.  So MJ is being revealed piece by piece  :)

This is from the wikipedia.

Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]

My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.

Of course it is not a personal conflict, and it is total nonsense.  Law firms can put up firewalls if there is a conflict.... and any legal person would know what I mean by this.

Here is one  :)

Yes, coming from the two of you who work in that field, I will believe you. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us! Blessings.

Always happy to share my knowledge  ;)  I'm just waiting for the moment when even "ordinary" people (not lawyers, not hoaxers, not even fans, just anyone and everyone) will start to notice all these oddities that are slowly turning into unprecedented absurdities that just make you question your own sanity because you can't believe your eyes and ears LOLL.

[Lovely One]

So we know for some odd reason Michael had Murray see one of the kids years back as a physician.
But, didn't murray come on the team in MAY '09?  He had been Michael's dr. just a MONTH when this happened.  I've read that 100 times.  I am wondering things like, how long had Michael lived at Carolwood...how long since he'd lived in Vegas, because, how'd he be a regular in the place if he was just hired a month prior to "death".  Did they "hang out" concocting this hoax for years...Florida, Vegas, Carolwood....then, goodbye??
I know none of this matters and the jist of the article is that we are hearing positive confirmation that Michael is still sending clues...but, also, this points to Murray being involved with Michael multiple times a week for a much longer time than just May when he was hired.  Sounds like he's been on team Michael for a long time, and not just as a cardo doc for the kids.
Rehearsing??

AHH! Good point! Something new to consider.  8-)
All that time rehearsing and planning what would go down! This would make sense!!

[pepper]

MJ's former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, spoke with LAPD investigators in the months after Michael died  ... and explained how Murray became a "regular" around the house when the singer lived in Vegas ... coming by at least two times a week.

This is the part that is strange to me.  Murray was a "regular" around the house.  Yet in his video he does not express sorrow that his friend, Michael, is "dead".  He does not express his condolances to Michael's family.  Murray only uses this worldwide platform to let his patients know he will be "fine" and the "troot will prevail." This seems rather cold and crass to me!

[youtube:1lfahqw4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bjDWRJx9I[/youtube:1lfahqw4]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bjDWRJx9I

Also, if Murray was a "regular" around the house, wouldn't Miko Brando have known him?  Miko Brando says he was essentially Michael's "go to guy", his right hand man, (Miko has been around Michael since before the Pepsi fire incident!) and yet in this video Miko says he never met Dr. Murray.  Listen from 7:49 to 8:25.

[youtube:1lfahqw4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84[/youtube:1lfahqw4]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84

I wondered if Kenny Ortega had met Dr. Murray before the day that Murray got mad at Kenny for sending Michael home from rehearsal early according to this source: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... eath-.html

According to http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... =36&page=4

"Ask if Dr Conrad Murray was a regular presence on the set, and Ortega replies that he only met him "a couple of times. I had a couple of conversations with him. He was Michael's personal choice doctor, and was his daily physician as I understand it. And was doing everything in his..." Ortega falters, as if he's mindful of the ongoing legal situation. "He was helping Michael stay nourished and healthy and, you know, looking after him."

[paula-c]

this photo is from 2005, trials.... WHITE
innocent?  Murray?

credits: Milena

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... 1&start=20

[PeaceLoveHappiness]

What I find interesting about this is that the bodyguards just posted something on facebook a week or so ago, asking people how they thought Michael met Murray.  This article claims that one of the bodyguards is the one who hooked them up.  Those three guys have also said that they were the only bodyguards/security that Michael had while living in Vegas, so if the article is true on that statement, then the bodyguards already knew exactly how Michael met Murray.  Hmmm...

[AnaMarcia]

If Michael said this to the children, it is because he trusted Murray. It seems that Mrs. Katherine also sympathizes with this doctor, she never accused of anything! Murray even said he loved her as a mother.
This shows that the Jacksons can be friends with Murray for a long time, especially if he lived in Las Vegas and Michael went there very frequently.
What Grace said, about the time he was in the house does not make much sense. She was not fired in the beginning of 2009? And so we know Michael Murray was just one month, then ... someone is lying here! As always!
Anyway, this seems like a good news. The trial is approaching, and it seems the truth is slowly coming out!
Paris already said long ago, she did not think was to blame for Murray, but the AEG that was exploring Michael.
I don't have a link to this news, but I remember hearing it somewhere!