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[awesome1]

Well Michael did confide in Paris, well pretty much every fear he had in the past few months.... i remember reading that he told her that he feared for his life, that people were out to get him... and that he might not be around for much longer.  i think it was in The Sun that i read it.  but yeah a very intellignent girl no doubt.  and i agree that those emotions were real.... like a huge 2 fingers to the media.

Stick it to 'em Paris

[Hotgirl1]

Well Michael did confide in Paris, well pretty much every fear he had in the past few months.... i remember reading that he told her that he feared for his life, that people were out to get him... and that he might not be around for much longer.  i think it was in The Sun that i read it.  but yeah a very intellignent girl no doubt.  and i agree that those emotions were real.... like a huge 2 fingers to the media.

Stick it to 'em Paris

I remember an insiders close to Mike  back during the trial in 05 talking about the fact that even though he was sick and stressed out about the events surrounding his case that when he got home he never let his children see him without a smile on his face and that he tried his best to make things appear as normal as possible even though those children very well may have sensed something was wrong...with that said I truly doubt that this man would heap his burdens and concerns on a child who has enough to deal with living her life in fish bowl of which she did not asked to be brought into in the first place. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this.

[awesome1]

Well Michael did confide in Paris, well pretty much every fear he had in the past few months.... i remember reading that he told her that he feared for his life, that people were out to get him... and that he might not be around for much longer.  i think it was in The Sun that i read it.  but yeah a very intellignent girl no doubt.  and i agree that those emotions were real.... like a huge 2 fingers to the media.

Stick it to 'em Paris

I remember an insiders close to Mike  back during the trial in 05 talking about the fact that even though he was sick and stressed out about the events surrounding his case that when he got home he never let his children see him without a smile on his face and that he tried his best to make things appear as normal as possible even though those children very well may have sensed something was wrong...with that said I truly doubt that this man would heap his burdens and concerns on a child who has enough to deal with living her life in fish bowl of which she did not asked to be brought into in the first place. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this.

yes i can see your point on this and im not going to say that your wrong, and at the same time not going to say im right either, but who knows wether he did or not, may have been just another media story.  everyone is entilted to their opinions .

now if this is a hoax and looking at this in hoax terms, was michael warning his children what he was going to do... if i can find the article on the internet i will post it as soon as i can

[Hotgirl1]

cool!

[Guest]

Jesus Christ.. I just wrote a long response and it got deleted.. I'm annoyed..

Opinions are Opinions and who the F*** knows what is really going on in this?

If one did know, why would they bother to reflect those facts on a forum where they would be shot down and accused of having a superiority complex?

I highly HIGHLY doubt that Michael Jackson's children are anything LESS than the child prodigys that he once was..

Michael Jackson's children was/are his entire world.. The only people that he can really trust and count on his life..

I know of how Prince often sat in on business meetings with his father... I know how Prince has been pretty much "the go to man" for the past year in most things concerning Michael..

Michael Jacksons children don't love the "image" like us.. They love and know the man that is their daddy..

I will NEVER believe that his children are not FULLY aware of what is going on around him and I will also never believe that Michael hid any emotion from his children..

You look at them and can tell that  they are very self aware even at a young age and I have researched VARIOUS articles of interviews with body guards/staff and i've spoken to people that know a lot about Michael on a personal level and have a lot of insight into the upbringing of his children... They are highly intelligent and much much wiser than most children their age..

This being an extremely sensitve topic, I was very apprehensive about even doing the videos on the children... But unfotunately, they play a very huge role in this message and I had to do what I had to do to make that known..

Teensy, no I really REALLY don't care what you think about me..

I posted a video and you made a response to that.. It's my topic so of course I felt obligated to respond back to that comment.. I don't run about this forum making trivial comments about people's post and I only say things when it concerns my posts.. It doesn't mean I care about your opinion.. It means that i'm responding to a post about my topic... It's really nothing personal and i wasn't attacking you..

I LOVE people that don't believe in the hoax!!! It makes my job even BETTER.. So just thought i'd tend to your curiousity about that .

@Hotgirl.. You are right, this is NOT that serious at all..

We are all here (id like to think) for the same reason, to figure out what happened to Michael on June 25th 2009....
But also you mentioned what an insider had said.. But if you watch my recent video you will see that Paris was very aware that Michael was sick.. Hence her writing what she wrote on the board about him being sick and getting well soon... He didn't hide things from them and the proof is in that documentary.



 Some of us are in different positions with this.. That's all.. Some people know things.. Some people know nothing.. It doesn't make anyone better..


L.O.V.E  

Listen Observe Verify Evolve

That's all im saying..

That being said, you guys have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

I know I will

[Hotgirl1]

@Hotgirl.. You are right, this is NOT that serious at all..

We are all here (id like to think) for the same reason, to figure out what happened to Michael on June 25th 2009....
But also you mentioned what an insider had said.. But if you watch my recent video you will see that Paris was very aware that Michael was sick.. Hence her writing what she wrote on the board about him being sick and getting well soon... He didn't hide things from them and the proof is in that documentary.

Hello TSM.

I just want to say that I understand where your coming from as it relates to the children and YES they are very highly intelligent young people....I'm not debating that and if you would re read what I said I'm saying the same things you just posted in the your quote above.

I remember an insiders close to Mike back during the trial in 05 talking about the fact that even though he was sick and stressed out about the events surrounding his case that when he got home he never let his children see him without a smile on his face and that he tried his best to make things appear as normal as possible even though those children very well may have sensed something was wrong...with that said I truly doubt that this man would heap his burdens and concerns on a child who has enough to deal with living her life in fish bowl of which she did not asked to be brought into in the first place. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this.

All I'm saying is there is a better way to go about this without arguing with one another....that's all. :cry:

And you have a Marry Christmas as well and that's real talk.

[Guest]

@Hotgirl.. You are right, this is NOT that serious at all..

We are all here (id like to think) for the same reason, to figure out what happened to Michael on June 25th 2009....
But also you mentioned what an insider had said.. But if you watch my recent video you will see that Paris was very aware that Michael was sick.. Hence her writing what she wrote on the board about him being sick and getting well soon... He didn't hide things from them and the proof is in that documentary.

Hello TSM.

I just want to say that I understand where your coming from as it relates to the children and YES they are very highly intelligent young people....I'm not debating that and if you would re read what I said I'm saying the same things you just posted in the your quote above.

I remember an insiders close to Mike back during the trial in 05 talking about the fact that even though he was sick and stressed out about the events surrounding his case that when he got home he never let his children see him without a smile on his face and that he tried his best to make things appear as normal as possible even though those children very well may have sensed something was wrong...with that said I truly doubt that this man would heap his burdens and concerns on a child who has enough to deal with living her life in fish bowl of which she did not asked to be brought into in the first place. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this.

All I'm saying is there is a better way to go about this without arguing with one another....that's all. :cry:

And you have a Marry Christmas as well and that's real talk.

I got you.. Im sorry I read you wrong.. My apology.
Thanks. You have a good one!! Eat lots of turkey!! OMG I LOVE TURKEY!!!  

[teensy]

Jesus Christ.. I just wrote a long response and it got deleted.. I'm annoyed..

Opinions are Opinions and who the F*** knows what is really going on in this?

 :?  But you said you know and understand.

If one did know, why would they bother to reflect those facts on a forum where they would be shot down and accused of having a superiority complex?

I don't think you have one. I felt you put me down and had to defend myself.

I highly HIGHLY doubt that Michael Jackson's children are anything LESS than the child prodigys that he once was..

Michael Jackson's children was/are his entire world.. The only people that he can really trust and count on his life..

I know of how Prince often sat in on business meetings with his father... I know how Prince has been pretty much "the go to man" for the past year in most things concerning Michael..

Michael Jacksons children don't love the "image" like us.. They love and know the man that is their daddy..

I don't expect more from them than to be kids, not even a prodigy. I feel uncomfortable comparing them to their father. To me it's a disservice.Their talents are their own.

Children should count on their parents, not parents counting on tweenage children. He knows/experienced that kind of pressure. Why do that to his children?

Children sitting in on a parents business meeting or exposed to their business dealings is not uncommon, especially those of their economic class. As for being "the go to man"... :?  ok

I don't know why you bring up the "image." They love their father,  because he is their father. I bet, and by all accounts, he's a great dad.  

I will NEVER believe that his children are not FULLY aware of what is going on around him and I will also never believe that Michael hid any emotion from his children..

You look at them and can tell that  they are very self aware even at a young age and I have researched VARIOUS articles of interviews with body guards/staff and i've spoken to people that know a lot about Michael on a personal level and have a lot of insight into the upbringing of his children... They are highly intelligent and much much wiser than most children their age..

Who said whether they were fully aware or not? I know that Michael would never expose his children to things beyond their years to handle and cope with. That's just part of being a good parent.

They were raised to be that way, have to be that way. Michael grew up with the media in his face. He had to teach his children what he knows. Anyways, they have the best education money can buy. Michael makes sure of that. He loves to study and learn himself.

Who are these people to be telling you about his kids? That's disturbing.  :?

This being an extremely sensitve topic, I was very apprehensive about even doing the videos on the children... But unfotunately, they play a very huge role in this message and I had to do what I had to do to make that known..

Teensy, no I really REALLY don't care what you think about me..

If you didn't you wouldn't even go as far to say that. Have I offended you I some way?

I posted a video and you made a response to that.. It's my topic so of course I felt obligated to respond back to that comment.. I don't run about this forum making trivial comments about people's post and I only say things when it concerns my posts.. It doesn't mean I care about your opinion.. It means that i'm responding to a post about my topic... It's really nothing personal and i wasn't attacking you..

If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded. Just because someone posts in your thread doesn't mean it elicits a response. I've posted in your threads before and the only time you responded was when I disagreed with you. Whether you meant to or not, you insulted me.

I respect you opinion. It's well thought out and reasonable. I don't argue with your sources or research. We are just not of the same opinion.

Some of us are in different positions with this.. That's all.. Some people know things.. Some people know nothing.. It doesn't make anyone better..

This is what I'm talking about. I guess I'm just too sensitive about your comments directed to me. Usually, I brush things off. I'm just astonished that you...I guess I had ideas about the kind of person you were from your videos and interviews. I didn't think you  would respond to me that way. It's silly. I guess I held you in higher esteem than I thought. Now, it seems to be tarnished some. No grudge.  :cry:

[Guest]

Jesus Christ.. I just wrote a long response and it got deleted.. I'm annoyed..

Opinions are Opinions and who the F*** knows what is really going on in this?

 :?  But you said you know and understand.

If one did know, why would they bother to reflect those facts on a forum where they would be shot down and accused of having a superiority complex?

I don't think you have one. I felt you put me down and had to defend myself.

I highly HIGHLY doubt that Michael Jackson's children are anything LESS than the child prodigys that he once was..

Michael Jackson's children was/are his entire world.. The only people that he can really trust and count on his life..

I know of how Prince often sat in on business meetings with his father... I know how Prince has been pretty much "the go to man" for the past year in most things concerning Michael..

Michael Jacksons children don't love the "image" like us.. They love and know the man that is their daddy..

I don't expect more from them than to be kids, not even a prodigy. I feel uncomfortable comparing them to their father. To me it's a disservice.Their talents are their own.

Children should count on their parents, not parents counting on tweenage children. He knows/experienced that kind of pressure. Why do that to his children?

Children sitting in on a parents business meeting or exposed to their business dealings is not uncommon, especially those of their economic class. As for being "the go to man"... :?  ok

I don't know why you bring up the "image." They love their father,  because he is their father. I bet, and by all accounts, he's a great dad.  

I will NEVER believe that his children are not FULLY aware of what is going on around him and I will also never believe that Michael hid any emotion from his children..

You look at them and can tell that  they are very self aware even at a young age and I have researched VARIOUS articles of interviews with body guards/staff and i've spoken to people that know a lot about Michael on a personal level and have a lot of insight into the upbringing of his children... They are highly intelligent and much much wiser than most children their age..

Who said whether they were fully aware or not? I know that Michael would never expose his children to things beyond their years to handle and cope with. That's just part of being a good parent.

They were raised to be that way, have to be that way. Michael grew up with the media in his face. He had to teach his children what he knows. Anyways, they have the best education money can buy. Michael makes sure of that. He loves to study and learn himself.

Who are these people to be telling you about his kids? That's disturbing.  :?

This being an extremely sensitve topic, I was very apprehensive about even doing the videos on the children... But unfotunately, they play a very huge role in this message and I had to do what I had to do to make that known..

Teensy, no I really REALLY don't care what you think about me..

If you didn't you wouldn't even go as far to say that. Have I offended you I some way?

I posted a video and you made a response to that.. It's my topic so of course I felt obligated to respond back to that comment.. I don't run about this forum making trivial comments about people's post and I only say things when it concerns my posts.. It doesn't mean I care about your opinion.. It means that i'm responding to a post about my topic... It's really nothing personal and i wasn't attacking you..

If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded. Just because someone posts in your thread doesn't mean it elicits a response. I've posted in your threads before and the only time you responded was when I disagreed with you. Whether you meant to or not, you insulted me.

I respect you opinion. It's well thought out and reasonable. I don't argue with your sources or research. We are just not of the same opinion.

Some of us are in different positions with this.. That's all.. Some people know things.. Some people know nothing.. It doesn't make anyone better..

This is what I'm talking about. I guess I'm just too sensitive about your comments directed to me. Usually, I brush things off. I'm just astonished that you...I guess I had ideas about the kind of person you were from your videos and interviews. I didn't think you  would respond to me that way. It's silly. I guess I held you in higher esteem than I thought. Now, it seems to be tarnished some. No grudge.  :cry:

Ok "teensy" ok....

I know who I am.. The right people know who I am....

You create some hug scenario that doesn't really exisist...

It's amusing.. It's funny.. Because really, it's not THAT serious..

The only thing that I want to say to you is that there is absolutely "nothing" disturbing about my relationship with people that advise me of certain things.. Nobody is "telling" me anything.. I know people that are aware of the relationship that he had with his children.. It doesn't mean some creepo is running to me like giving me the inside scoop on MJ's personal life.. It means that there are people that really admire and respect MJ as a father and have no problem at all with discussing that with people who have a genuine interest in knowing so..

You know that Michael would never expose his children to things beyond their years? Really? Do you think a chronological age means anything in the mind of genius child? Michael has always made sure it was important for his children to be CHILDREN first, but that certainly does not mean that they are not HIGHLY aware of worldly things.. You can trust and believe that...

I never compared his children to them..  Michael has said  SEVERAL times that he would encourage his children to do BETTER than he ever has.... I get that.. You obviously don't... And YOU are twisting what I said around to make the situation look like something that it is not.. This was common in Michael's life.. So yeah.. ok


Stop twisting things and trying to seriously make this entire thread into something that it's not.. I like used to do stuff like that on forums when I was 13...

We have different opinions.. Fine.. Cool.. Good.

I'm not responding to you anymore because this is not the "teensy" and "maura" show..

This forum is about Michael and not taking out the measuring tape to see who's "opinions" are bigger..

You can keep going if you want to.. But I know what I know and you just like to argue for some really weird reason.. But you should be productive with that.. Use those debate skills to make a change in this world and not argue over if Paris Jackson was actually crying and what a bitch I am..
Im being serious.. Im not responding or even opening this thread back up..

It's gone far enough

Have a good holiday..

Night.

[teensy]

The only thing that I want to say to you is that there is absolutely "nothing" disturbing about my relationship with people that advise me of certain things.. Nobody is "telling" me anything.. I know people that are aware of the relationship that he had with his children.. It doesn't mean some creepo is running to me like giving me the inside scoop on MJ's personal life.. It means that there are people that really admire and respect MJ as a father and have no problem at all with discussing that with people who have a genuine interest in knowing so..

It's not any of my business what they say to you or not. If you want to share what you learn, that's your right as well. And I think a lot better of you than to believe that you would listen to a bunch of creepos. And just because it's nice things does not mean they aren't saying too much.

Stop twisting things and trying to seriously make this entire thread into something that it's not.. I like used to do stuff like that on forums when I was 13...

If you look at your first response to me, that's what it's about. Your right, I must be immature to have responded to you the first time.

We have different opinions.. Fine.. Cool.. Good.

This forum is about Michael and not taking out the measuring tape to see who's "opinions" are bigger..

I know what this forum is for. No need to tell me.

This... our post aren't about a different in opinion.

You can keep going if you want to.. But I know what I know and you just like to argue for some really weird reason.. But you should be productive with that.. Use those debate skills to make a change in this world and not argue over if Paris Jackson was actually crying and what a bitch I am..

I wasn't responding to myself.  

Why can't we debate about whether Paris was crying or not? Is that off limits? Are we not suppose to question everything? Should I not question your sources and research? Is challenging your opinions and speculations off limits because of your status as a video maker? Your the one who brought up his children in the first place. Your making videos about them.

No, I don't think your that at all. I just find that your first response to me was petty  and simple-minded. There was no substance to what you said and didn't need to be said at all. You offended me. I couldn't believe you had the nerve to say what you did.

Im being serious.. Im not responding or even opening this thread back up..

Ok. :roll:  It's good, because I think you've misunderstood me in all this. You don't care, so this is pretty much over. This is over. Nothing to carry on about.

Also, I'm immature enough to be glad I get the last word!  :lol:

[rayvyn]

Also, I'm immature enough to be glad I get the last word! :lol:

Too funny!

[Guest]

Also, I'm immature enough to be glad I get the last word! :lol:

Too funny!

L.O.V.E....

[teensy]

Wow.  :shock: It's okay. I just won't respond anyone. :roll:

We seem to be people who like to rise to the occasion.  

[truth_prevails]

You know that Michael would never expose his children to things beyond their years? Really? Do you think a chronological age means anything in the mind of genius child? Michael has always made sure it was important for his children to be CHILDREN first, but that certainly does not mean that they are not HIGHLY aware of worldly things.. You can trust and believe that...

I think you are very right about that...Paris is very mature and she has a serious look on her face for her age. Children know when things are wrong and being a "good father" doesn t always mean to keep everything away from them and leave them wondering in the dark...it also means to make a decision about what and when your children are able to handle and accept whats going on in the adult world. Michael HAD to prepare his children at apretty early age, if you ask me, for they are MICHAEL JACKSON s children and the world will NOT look at them as non-connected-individuals but as MJ s children. This might not be how it should be but its the way the world works. since we assume MJ was planning the hoax, we also must assume he gave his children as much knowledge about it as he had to and as little as absolutely neccessary.
Being a good father to his children means preparing them for life, which is a lot harder for MJ to do as for a lot of people, preparing them to deal with publicity,media a.s.o....
I still believe that Michael also left his children enough time to be children, probably more than most parents do....

I know there was quite a little disagreement going on on this threat, so i wasn t sure to post, but i wanted MAURA to know that I think she was doing a great job with her video and that it was okay to include the children as long as its in a respectful manner, which it certainly was
Keep up the good work, can t wait to see your last two vids ( couldnt yet, since I m in Germany)

Happy Holidays  

[icebluestarlight]

I think Paris was just fiddling with her hair I think she had been told to cover her face so people could not tell what she was saying.  Maybe that is why she looks like she is talking to her purse. Maybe the kids were not told he was alive until after the memorial and the emotions were real who knows.