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[bec]

Okay if that was him...how do we know for a fact that he knew he was being filmed?

Another thing to consider is this...perhaps he did not plan a hoax...someone who cared about him did.

Clues dropped, fake court, and numerology. Also the giant budget it must be taking to pull this off. Who else could foot the bill? This is a (so far) 19 month production. It's extremely intricate, complex, and elaborate, with many layers. It had to have taken years of forethought and planning to put it together and run so perfectly for so long with still the vast majority of the world being none the wiser and not one person being able to prove the contrary.

[~Souza~]

Okay if that was him...how do we know for a fact that he knew he was being filmed?

Another thing to consider is this...perhaps he did not plan a hoax...someone who cared about him did.

Clues dropped, fake court, and numerology. Also the giant budget it must be taking to pull this off. Who else could foot the bill? This is a (so far) 19 month production. It's extremely intricate, complex, and elaborate, with many layers. It had to have taken years of forethought and planning to put it together and run so perfectly for so long with still the vast majority of the world being none the wiser and not one person being able to prove the contrary.

Exactly. This is Thriller2, MJ's big masterpiece. He is not some weak little dear that has lost every bit of control over his own life or 'death' for that matter. HE is in control. HE left the clues all those years, no one else. The theory that he was a drug addict that begged for meds and that he did not plan this all himself, doesn't hold ground for a minute.

[RunFaYaLife]

Clues dropped, fake court, and numerology

I'm sorry but I cannot buy any of that... There is no real THERE there.

If this thing went down like I am proposing as another theory...and
he was whisked away...it could have been a quick plan to fix a big pickle
he had gotten himself into.
MJ knew a lot of people in all fields from medical to ...you name it....his name carried weight...big time.
It is a fact his back was against the wall and he stood to lose everything.
It would not take much to have a charted jet waiting and the airport...
him leaving the hospital from an underground entrance or some such.
unseen.
And Wa'la he is out of the country and recuperating somewhere.

It might have taken a little fudging on a few things...
the questionable autopsy etc.
But the majority of the "games" could have started after his death.
There is a method to this maddness...and it has paid off big for him.
:mrgreen:

JMHO of course.

[bec]

Clues dropped, fake court, and numerology

I'm sorry but I cannot buy any of that... There is no real THERE there.

Yah there is but suit yourself.

[paula-c]

RunFaYaLife wrote:

Clues dropped, fake court, and numerology

I'm sorry but I cannot buy any of that... There is no real THERE there.

TS is offering money to the person who can demonstrate that the numerology coincidence

TS wrote: $999 Reward!!!

On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.

[RunFaYaLife]

I'm sorry Paula-c but that is just a big so what to me....
statically speaking  mathematics's can be arguable anyway you look at it.

Now I am not here to buck the traces and I look at life this way...anyone is free to do or believe what they want to...it is not my agenda to stop them. I'm leaving all of that stuff up to ya'll.

I could be wrong but I assume people that post here are free to offer other theories or thoughts on the matter on this forum?
If they are not just let me know and I will go away.

[Im_convincedmjalive]

There is a HUGE difference in reporting the hoax in a ebook and being humble about it. There is a difference in what Geraldine did back when she wrote the book about Michael and the setup from Evan Chandler and what she is doing now in front of the court house screaming and holding court on the steps of the court house...

I see this as a huge circus of people who think they are Michael's best buddies and high sighting. The people who were in TII with Michael helped him pull off the Greatest illusion of all time. They worked for their money. Attitude is everything. People's true colors are showing through now after his death. As far as I know there are very few of his friends who are NOT trying to profit. Knowledge of the NWO and all the other messages Michael has taught us should be free. Free knowledge and free minds. Doing God's work.

Peace

[youtube:26trm8w1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbqpRp-DCMg[/youtube:26trm8w1]

this is probably off topic but isn't geraldeen hughes also usually somewhat involved with the jacksons. as i understand she is quite upset at having been told by someone , one of the brothers i think that they didn't want her reporting on the preliminary hearings. anyone have any info or insite into that? how is she different than pearl jr. in all of this? not being argumentative just wondering if anyone has more details to the difference between the two as far as the jacksons go.

[~Souza~]

I'm sorry Paula-c but that is just a big so what to me....
statically speaking  mathematics's can be arguable anyway you look at it.

Now I am not here to buck the traces and I look at life this way...anyone is free to do or believe what they want to...it is not my agenda to stop them. I'm leaving all of that stuff up to ya'll.

I could be wrong but I assume people that post here are free to offer other theories or thoughts on the matter on this forum?
If they are not just let me know and I will go away.

You can stay, no one said you had to leave, but if your comments don't make sense, you can expect critisism. And I am sorry to say but none of your theories make sense in any way.

[GodhaschosenMJ]

"The day that Michael died, we were waiting for him to come
in to block him into 'Dirty Diana,' which was at the end of
'Dirty Diana' he stepped into an illusion and before your eyes
went up in smoke and then suddenly appeared completely on the
other side of the stage rising up on the cherry picker and out
over to the audience for 'Beat It.'

Looking at the above quote, I think it is interesting that the illusion has MJ disappear and then "suddenly appeared"!! Sounds like a planned BAM to me!

[~Souza~]

"The day that Michael died, we were waiting for him to come
in to block him into 'Dirty Diana,' which was at the end of
'Dirty Diana' he stepped into an illusion and before your eyes
went up in smoke and then suddenly appeared completely on the
other side of the stage rising up on the cherry picker and out
over to the audience for 'Beat It.'

Looking at the above quote, I think it is interesting that the illusion has MJ disappear and then "suddenly appeared"!! Sounds like a planned BAM to me!

When you think of it, it's not much different than what he always did on a show. Thriller, disappearing in a casket, reappearing to 'beat it'. It's just that it is taking a little longer this time before he reappears, lol.

What is with that cherry picker by the way? I remember I found it odd that Kenny was so concerned in TII when MJ was on it. I mean look at the concerts, he was hanging over the edge and all so it was nothing new to him and just standing on it doesn't seem that dangerous to me.

[~Souza~]

Also odd:

He was really looking forward to it. The night before,
he had said to me he was very happy.

He saw the dream coming to light on the stage.
The only thing he wanted me to say to anybody creatively,
dancers, creative team was, 'I love them.

Everybody's doing a great job.
I love you, Kenny. I'll see you tomorrow. Thank you.'"

This was posted on TMZ: http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/jackson-d ... ast-night/

So if he showed up at 10PM, they went home late and they would see each other the next day. Why ask Kenny to tell the team he loved them? He could have done that himself. Unless of course he knew he wouldn't show up the next day.[/color]

[Andrea]

Also odd:

He was really looking forward to it. The night before,
he had said to me he was very happy.

He saw the dream coming to light on the stage.
The only thing he wanted me to say to anybody creatively,
dancers, creative team was, 'I love them.

Everybody's doing a great job.
I love you, Kenny. I'll see you tomorrow. Thank you.'"

This was posted on TMZ: http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/jackson-d ... ast-night/

So if he showed up at 10PM, they went home late and they would see each other the next day. Why ask Kenny to tell the team he loved them? He could have done that himself. Unless of course he knew he wouldn't show up the next day.[/color]

He knew he wouldn't show up the next day and he wanted his "last" message to be of love.  To remind everyone of what it's all about and who he really is.

[RunFaYaLife]

You can stay, no one said you had to leave, but if your comments don't make sense, you can expect critisism. And I am sorry to say but none of your theories make sense in any way.

Alrighty then....
I can handle criticism ...they may not make sense to you and some others
here who prefer to look at things from only one perspective.
Which is fine.

Clues dropped, fake court, and numerology

From my perspective they do to me...
and that is the only person I have to satisfy.
Agree with me or not....I'm not selling anything.
You did say you like debating Souza.

The way I feel about it is why take something so simple and make it so overly complex?

I do like to read everyone's take on the events....like I have said before..I'm open.
:mrgreen:

[~Souza~]

You can stay, no one said you had to leave, but if your comments don't make sense, you can expect critisism. And I am sorry to say but none of your theories make sense in any way.

Alrighty then....
I can handle criticism ...they may not make sense to you and some others
here who prefer to look at things from only one perspective.
Which is fine.

Clues dropped, fake court, and numerology

From my perspective they do to me...
and that is the only person I have to satisfy.
Agree with me or not....I'm not selling anything.
You did say you like debating Souza.

The way I feel about it is why take something so simple and make it so overly complex?

I do like to read everyone's take on the events....like I have said before..I'm open.
:mrgreen:

:?

I do like debating, but it takes 2 to tango and the opponent needs to come up with arguments that are worth discussing, otherwise it's just a waste of time and I am sorry to say that I don't see any use in debating with you because you seem to know it all so well.

I'm not selling anything either and you don't have to agree with me for that matter. But you are wrong when you say we only see everything from one perspective. Some of us have been here since the start and have seen it from ALL perspectives, but we are 19 months ahead now and debunked a lot of things, so keep comments like that to yourself in the future.

[suspicious mind]

"The day that Michael died, we were waiting for him to come
in to block him into 'Dirty Diana,' which was at the end of
'Dirty Diana' he stepped into an illusion and before your eyes
went up in smoke and then suddenly appeared completely on the
other side of the stage rising up on the cherry picker and out
over to the audience for 'Beat It.'

Looking at the above quote, I think it is interesting that the illusion has MJ disappear and then "suddenly appeared"!! Sounds like a planned BAM to me!

When you think of it, it's not much different than what he always did on a show. Thriller, disappearing in a casket, reappearing to 'beat it'. It's just that it is taking a little longer this time before he reappears, lol.

What is with that cherry picker by the way? I remember I found it odd that Kenny was so concerned in TII when MJ was on it. I mean look at the concerts, he was hanging over the edge and all so it was nothing new to him and just standing on it doesn't seem that dangerous to me.

[youtube:3owt0dpf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jRYflS4n0&playnext=1&list=PL6D4C7D5ACF284108[/youtube:3owt0dpf]

after only watching it i need something to calm my nerves . can you imagine living it