Interesting - Reporter's Opinion of Dr. Murray...

[pepper]

Nice to see someone in the media who seems to doubt the authenticity of Dr. Murray and TMZ!

http://www.oregonlive.com/carlin/index.ssf/2010/12
"Published: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:33 PM  Updated: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:58 PM
By  Peter Ames Carlin, The Oregonian

...Beat it, just beat it: As our dubious friends at TMZ report: The defense team for Dr. Conrad Murray, who I like to think of as a real life Dr. Spaceman (you know, "30 Rock"), is preparing to build his defense on a counter-accusation of MJ actually committing suicide. It all happened, the good doctor explains, when he left Jackson's room to visit the bathroom. At which point the singer rose from his bed and cast the hot shot into himself. Which is another of saying that all Spaceman needs to beat the rap is one juror willing to recognize the proverbial shadow of the proverbial doubt...."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ak1-UNwfcI&NR=1

[mformichael]

Next date:04.01.2011 for court...
04.01.1981 "Peter Pan" closes at Lunt-Fontanne Theater NYC after 578 performances.
We can hope? :D

[pepper]

http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-lo ... us-defense

Dr. Conrad Murray's Incredulous Defense

* December 31st, 2010 4:16 pm PT

Hinting at a possible defense in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, Los Angeles County District Attorney believes the defense will blame Michael Jackson's June 25, 2009 death on a self-administered lethal dose of the anesthetic Propofol. "I do think it's clear that the defense is operating under the theory that the victim, Michael Jackson, killed himself," said Deputy DA David Walgren. Ruling his cause of death Aug. 28, 2009 "acute Propofol intoxication," the Los Angeles County Coroner pinpointed Dr. Murray's role in Jackson's death. After a successful rehearsal at Los Angeles' Staples Center for his upcoming British tour, Jackson was found "not breathing" by Murray at 9:00 a.m. June 25. According to police reports, Murray, Jackson's $100,000 a month personal physician, tried to administer CPR before calling paramedics at 11:00 a.m.

Murray set up a makeshift intravenous drip, administering Propofol, AKA Diprivan, to treat Jackson's insomnia. Shorting acting anesthetics, like Propofol, are used for surgery, not treating various causes of insomnia. Murray lacked the training or certification in anesthesia, not to mention appropriate monitoring equipment to engage in such high-risk procedures. By the time paramedics arrived at Jackson's rented Holmby Hills rented home, he was non-responsive, transferred via ambulance to the ER at UCLA's Ronald Reagan Medical Center. Two-and-a-half hours later, Jackson was pronounced dead by emergency medical personnel. No one knew then what the coroner would find Aug. 28 that Jackson died of "acute Propofol intoxication" not a rumored "heart attack." Following Jackson's death, Dr. Murray went missing before eventually found by the LAPD.

Murray denied doing anything improper that resulted in Jackson's death. His Propofol insomnia machine defined gross negligence by a licensed physician, creating his own dangerous procedure for treating Jackson's insomnia. Since the coroner's finding with respect to Jackson's cause of death, the defense has been angling for some plausible deniability. "They don't want to say it but that's the direction in which they are going," said Walgren, referring to the defense's tactic of blaming the overdose on Jackson. Coroner officials found 150 mg of Propofol in Jackson's blood, over five-times the dose Murray admitted to administering. Accounting for the difference, prosecutors expect Murray's defense attorney J. Michael Flannagan to argue that, unbeknownst to Murray, Jackson injected himself with the Propofol causing his own death. Flanagan points to two Propoful-filled syringes found the scene.

Diverting attention away from Murray's gross negligence, Flannagan hopes to eventually create reasonable doubt in jurors' minds. Propofol keeps patients unconscious as long as it's maintained at a certain bloodstream level. Flannagan hopes that jurors believe that Jackson awakened on his own, groped for a syringe and injected himself out of desperation. On Jan. 4, Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will decide whether there's sufficient evidence to bind Murray over for trial on charges of "involuntary manslaughter." Given that a Propofol drip falls out the usual and customary treatment for insomnia and given that Murray lacked the training or certification to administer short-acting anesthesia, his treatment defines gross negligence needed for "voluntary manslaughter." Pastor should find plenty of cause to try Murray for "involuntary manslaughter."

When the coroner revealed a 150 mg lethal dose of Propofol, the defense could no longer claim trace amounts of benzodiazapines found in Jackson's blood contributed to the 50-year-old pop singer's death. Because the 150 mg of Propofol was all that was needed for death, the defense now had to blame to lethal dose on someone other that Dr. Murray. Flannagan must convince a jury that Jackson administered the lethal dose to himself. While Murray admitted to police he administered only 25 mg, he believes it's credible to blame Jackson for the additional product. Whatever Propofol-filled syringes were found at the scene, it doesn't mean that Jackson took his treatment into his own hands. While the defense can't make any outrageous allegation, it's incredulous that Jackson would overdose himself. Jurors will have to decide what sounds more plausible: Overdose by the doctor or Jackson himself.

Whatever happened in the early morning of June 25, 2009, it's a known fact that Dr. Conrad Murray, without proper training or certification, engaged in gross negligence administering a risky form of anesthesia to treat Jackson's insomnia. Quibbling over who administered the lethal injection, jurors must ferret out first Murray's credibility after administering a highly suspect insomnia treatment. While experiments do go awry, the California Medical Board hasn't taken lightly Murray's dangerous and negligent insomnia treatment. Arguing after the fact that he only injected Jackson with 25 mg can't hide his gross negligence in devising such a high-risk procedure. Focusing on the milligram dosage that killed Jackson diverts attention away from Murray's gross negligence. What killed Jackson was an arrogant physician playing with anesthesia without proper training, experience or certification.

About the Author

John M. Curtis Ph.D. is editor of OnliineColumnist.com, the Web's leading source of nonpartisan commentary analyzing spin in national and global news. He's a consultant, seminar trainer and news analyst on national radio shows. Dr. Curtis is considered the nation's leading authority on SPIN in the news. His politically neutral commentaries appear in U.S. and foreign newspapers. You can find his columns on OnlineColumnist.com.
http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-lo ... n-m-curtis

[nefari]

Spaceman made me think of this old Steve Miller song in regards to Murray:

Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Some call me the "gangster of love"
Some people call me Maurice
Cause I speak of the pompitous of love

People talk about me, baby
Say I'm doin' wrong, doin' you wrong
Well, don't you worry baby
Don't worry
"Cause I'm right here baby, right here, right here, right here at home"

I'm a "joker"
I'm a smoker
I'm a midnight toker
"I sure don't want to hurt no one"

[Kim]

Spaceman made me think of this old Steve Miller song in regards to Murray:

Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Some call me the "gangster of love"
Some people call me Maurice
Cause I speak of the pompitous of love

People talk about me, baby
Say I'm doin' wrong, doin' you wrong
Well, don't you worry baby
Don't worry
"Cause I'm right here baby, right here, right here, right here at home"

I'm a "joker"
I'm a smoker
I'm a midnight toker
"I sure don't want to hurt no one"

[youtube:asg64n35]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yle1USyhCY[/youtube:asg64n35]
Nice song tho :mrgreen:

[suspicious mind]

http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-los-angeles/dr-conrad-murray-incredulous-defense

Dr. Conrad Murray's Incredulous Defense

* December 31st, 2010 4:16 pm PT

Hinting at a possible defense in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, Los Angeles County District Attorney believes the defense will blame Michael Jackson's June 25, 2009 death on a self-administered lethal dose of the anesthetic Propofol. "I do think it's clear that the defense is operating under the theory that the victim, Michael Jackson, killed himself," said Deputy DA David Walgren. Ruling his cause of death Aug. 28, 2009 "acute Propofol intoxication," the Los Angeles County Coroner pinpointed Dr. Murray's role in Jackson's death. After a successful rehearsal at Los Angeles' Staples Center for his upcoming British tour, Jackson was found "not breathing" by Murray at 9:00 a.m. June 25. According to police reports, Murray, Jackson's $100,000 a month personal physician, tried to administer CPR before calling paramedics at 11:00 a.m.

Murray set up a makeshift intravenous drip, administering Propofol, AKA Diprivan, to treat Jackson's insomnia. Shorting acting anesthetics, like Propofol, are used for surgery, not treating various causes of insomnia. Murray lacked the training or certification in anesthesia, not to mention appropriate monitoring equipment to engage in such high-risk procedures. By the time paramedics arrived at Jackson's rented Holmby Hills rented home, he was non-responsive, transferred via ambulance to the ER at UCLA's Ronald Reagan Medical Center. Two-and-a-half hours later, Jackson was pronounced dead by emergency medical personnel. No one knew then what the coroner would find Aug. 28 that Jackson died of "acute Propofol intoxication" not a rumored "heart attack." Following Jackson's death, Dr. Murray went missing before eventually found by the LAPD.

Murray denied doing anything improper that resulted in Jackson's death. His Propofol insomnia machine defined gross negligence by a licensed physician, creating his own dangerous procedure for treating Jackson's insomnia. Since the coroner's finding with respect to Jackson's cause of death, the defense has been angling for some plausible deniability. "They don't want to say it but that's the direction in which they are going," said Walgren, referring to the defense's tactic of blaming the overdose on Jackson. Coroner officials found 150 mg of Propofol in Jackson's blood, over five-times the dose Murray admitted to administering. Accounting for the difference, prosecutors expect Murray's defense attorney J. Michael Flannagan to argue that, unbeknownst to Murray, Jackson injected himself with the Propofol causing his own death. Flanagan points to two Propoful-filled syringes found the scene.

Diverting attention away from Murray's gross negligence, Flannagan hopes to eventually create reasonable doubt in jurors' minds. Propofol keeps patients unconscious as long as it's maintained at a certain bloodstream level. Flannagan hopes that jurors believe that Jackson awakened on his own, groped for a syringe and injected himself out of desperation. On Jan. 4, Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will decide whether there's sufficient evidence to bind Murray over for trial on charges of "involuntary manslaughter." Given that a Propofol drip falls out the usual and customary treatment for insomnia and given that Murray lacked the training or certification to administer short-acting anesthesia, his treatment defines gross negligence needed for "voluntary manslaughter." Pastor should find plenty of cause to try Murray for "involuntary manslaughter."

When the coroner revealed a 150 mg lethal dose of Propofol, the defense could no longer claim trace amounts of benzodiazapines found in Jackson's blood contributed to the 50-year-old pop singer's death. Because the 150 mg of Propofol was all that was needed for death, the defense now had to blame to lethal dose on someone other that Dr. Murray. Flannagan must convince a jury that Jackson administered the lethal dose to himself. While Murray admitted to police he administered only 25 mg, he believes it's credible to blame Jackson for the additional product. Whatever Propofol-filled syringes were found at the scene, it doesn't mean that Jackson took his treatment into his own hands. While the defense can't make any outrageous allegation, it's incredulous that Jackson would overdose himself. Jurors will have to decide what sounds more plausible: Overdose by the doctor or Jackson himself.

Whatever happened in the early morning of June 25, 2009, it's a known fact that Dr. Conrad Murray, without proper training or certification, engaged in gross negligence administering a risky form of anesthesia to treat Jackson's insomnia. Quibbling over who administered the lethal injection, jurors must ferret out first Murray's credibility after administering a highly suspect insomnia treatment. While experiments do go awry, the California Medical Board hasn't taken lightly Murray's dangerous and negligent insomnia treatment. Arguing after the fact that he only injected Jackson with 25 mg can't hide his gross negligence in devising such a high-risk procedure. Focusing on the milligram dosage that killed Jackson diverts attention away from Murray's gross negligence. What killed Jackson was an arrogant physician playing with anesthesia without proper training, experience or certification.

About the Author

John M. Curtis Ph.D. is editor of OnliineColumnist.com, the Web's leading source of nonpartisan commentary analyzing spin in national and global news. He's a consultant, seminar trainer and news analyst on national radio shows. Dr. Curtis is considered the nation's leading authority on SPIN in the news. His politically neutral commentaries appear in U.S. and foreign newspapers. You can find his columns on OnlineColumnist.com.
http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-lo ... n-m-curtis

that is the thing that has always floored me about the whole thing .people acting  like getting anesthetized for insomnia is a casual thing

[paula-c]

Suspicious mind you are right, some talk as if using propofol is a normal thing