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Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?
Lady GaGa is allegedly planning to work with Gunther Von Hagens on a new stage set featuring preserved human bodies.According to The Sun, the singer is considering the collaboration with the controversial 'Body Worlds' doctor in a bid to top the success of her 'Monster Ball' tour.A source told the newspaper: "She is fascinated by Gunther's work and life. He grew up in Germany, a country she loves. He is quite a philosopher and has the kind of past she is drawn to."He was arrested and imprisoned after a student protest, braved the Metropolitan Police to stage the London autopsy and has ridden out the 'Body Worlds' controversy."The added: "GaGa sees a kindred spirit and is hoping to meet him in New York. They've spoken over email and it's gone well. She is keen to have some 'Body Worlds' element in one of her shows, with Vegas being the obvious fit."It would be good to top this tour - which is already out there - with something nobody has done before, using dead bodies as part of a gig."
Quote from: "curls"Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?I've been wondering the same thing curls ... just who IS this Twiggy character and why haven't we heard of him/her before now?? :?
She is a blogger who has been adamant re the hoax. There is a thread here somewhere ( sorry, on my iPad, rushing around)!with her recent interview on radio. Her blog has summaries re the hoax, theories etc.Btw: was this a new redirect or did it go to her twitter again ( as this was the last redirect on 1/4)? The topic would be new as the twitter page would have refreshed- I was just wondering since we had that controversy on 1/5, too.I'm so confused. But yes, the paramedic didn testify he didn't recognize MJ. To not recognize him would not be that unusual ( for example, was he wearing the weave/wig?). Dehydration changes appearance a bit; being thin etc, plus they did not expect to see MJ ( which influences perception) and I'm sure MJ in bed didn't look like MJ onstage. So I could even believe that- if the autopsy description would match. Which it doesn't. If MJ weighed 136 (per autopsy), that is not a bad weight for him. Slim for most men, but he weighed less before. One of the licenses from mid 2000 showed him as weighing 120. So, the frail statement didn't match. Also, then black/blue feet stAtement would have been in the autopsy, but wasn't. That discoloration would still be there, I think.This is indeed another glaring Elvis parallel.
Andrea wrote: Indeed the paramedics didn't recognize the patient...because Michael was never their patient. From the TMZ article in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=17045Richard Senneff testified when he arrived at MJ's house and saw MJ, he looked like a hospice patient -- extremely frail.IF there WAS a body there...maybe that explains the "looked like a hospice patient"... because the body was one. Someone who had recently died but not before volunteering his dying body...someone who was sick and frail and of course didn't resemble Michael Jackson. A brave soul who knew he wouldn't live and offered what help he could?
Richard Senneff testified when he arrived at MJ's house and saw MJ, he looked like a hospice patient -- extremely frail.
Quote from: "emeraldcity"Quote from: "curls"Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?I've been wondering the same thing curls ... just who IS this Twiggy character and why haven't we heard of him/her before now?? :? She believes MJ is alive, she knows Brian Oxman and she has interviewed Joe Jackson. She will also be attending the prelim everyday. There is a thread on here with her interview on a radio station and answering callers questions. Here is the thread (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"Quote from: "emeraldcity"Quote from: "curls"Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?I've been wondering the same thing curls ... just who IS this Twiggy character and why haven't we heard of him/her before now?? :? She believes MJ is alive, she knows Brian Oxman and she has interviewed Joe Jackson. She will also be attending the prelim everyday. There is a thread on here with her interview on a radio station and answering callers questions. Here is the thread (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)Thanks for that. How does she get to attend the prelim every day? Is she a journalist? Is she a fan with a lucky lottery ticket every day? Sorry, I'll read what she says, and store it away in my brain somewhere, but I can't believe as gospel anything some random blogger comes up with.
How could the paramedics recognize Michael if there is no body .
4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the HoaxIn this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax { You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login }. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?I’m not going to go into great detail on that now, it would be very long—and this update is already the longest update by far. But I will give some hints, to help you go in the right direction if you want to investigate it further.For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.I think we already have a huge clue from Jermaine, telling us that MJ went to the “airport”—NOT the hospital. And in fact, it would’ve been very risky and unnecessary for him to ride alive in the ambulance to UCLA, and then go into UCLA where he could be easily recognized (and hard to play dead), and then try to escape somehow. What would be the point?Based on the planned timing of the hoax, we should now be able to see very plainly that the living MJ body double theory doesn’t work. There is no chance that a living double just happened to die on the right year, the right day, and the right hour.This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -4-38. Only a Few Would Need to Be “In On It”Let me also clue you in on a few tricks, so that only a relatively few people would need to be “in on it”. The endlessly discussed helicopter ride to the coroner: it could’ve had a living and/or a dead body in it, but not MJ; and yet none of the people in the copter, or working that situation, would’ve had any clue that MJ was alive.All you would need to do is create a diversion for the media and public: the helicopter and all would be a big show for the media, while they transport the (supposedly) “real” MJ’s body in an unmarked vehicle—this would keep MJ’s body safer. And all the people “involved” in that diversion operation would play right along, and obey without question like good little boys and girls, thinking all the while that MJ’s dead body was being transported in some unmarked vehicle (and not even questioning whether or not MJ was actually dead). And even if they suspected later that MJ is alive, how would they know? They would not know, they would just suspect it (like hoax believers).The fact that it’s a criminal case is another good alibi for secrecy and cover-up; this way, nobody thinks twice when they’re told not to talk about what they did or did not see at UCLA on June 25 (or other times and places).Some have said that Forest Lawn (FL) would need to be in on the hoax; and maybe they are, but maybe not. If there was an actual dead body used during at least some of the process: then a dead body could’ve been at FL, even though it was not MJ. And sooner or later, the family could say: “We’ve decided to bury MJ somewhere else; but for privacy and security reasons, we want the public to think that he is buried here.”They might even have FL sign confidentiality agreements, promising not to let anyone know that MJ was not buried at FL. Of course FL would still get paid, because the family did purchase space there You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ; and since FL got their money, they would not care where MJ was actually buried, and that would be the end of it—FL might never imagine that MJ is still alive.Do I need to give any more hints? I think I’ve said enough already. Besides, you want some surprises left for after Bamsday, don’t you?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Starting with Page 2 of this document/FICTION story:3. At the time of Michael Jackson’s death, Michael Jackson was in a contract with AEG that covered the production of a lengthy tour of live shows - the “This is It” Tour--featuring Michael Jackson.That JUMPED out at me and said HELLO!Why on earth would a REAL legal document word The This is It tour that way? With the hyphens like we see in TMZ articles and the quote marks emphasizing and drawing attention to that?Then after trying to give this document the benefit of doubt on the chance it is legit, LMAOThis was the clincher for me to know from then on it is ALL RUBBISH and it is a work of fiction. The court papers only. From Page 526. Around the same time in early May 2009, AEG retained Dr. Conrad Murray (“Murray“) to be Jackson‘s personal “concierge“ physician and to exclusively treat Jackson. Really? Highlight the name ("Murray") like that? Like how we say his name here, last name only. lolSo many of the sentences were repeated only in a different way but, it just kept regurgitating the same thing over and over.I do understand that this situation is NOT a joke it is very serious and it is being used to EXPOSE the CROOKS.That document told exactly what happened in a first person narrative, by their accounts of what went down.So I am not dismissing the words but, I am calling this document B.S. and hilarious to read.I really felt like I was reading pages from a work of fiction/Novel.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThis document is riddled with clues.PeaceThe "riot act" is highlighted for attention, and the date of May 8th is noted in the lawsuit... what a terrible thing to be incorporated into effect on my b-day month and day.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginUnited StatesThe principle of the Riot Act was incorporated into the first Militia Act (1 Stat. 264) of 8 May 1792. The act's long title was "An act to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions".Section 3 of the Militia Act gave power to the President to issue a proclamation to "command the insurgents to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes, within a limited time", and authorised him to use the militia if they failed to do so. Substantively identical language is presently codified at chapter 15 of title 10, United States Code.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"In another thread I wrote that I'd read Leonard Rowe's book. I was drawn to it, not because Rowe is a laudable figure from what's out there in the press, but because he use to work for Michael, was fired, and then called back to work for him (accordingly to Rowe), a few months before 6/25/09. I'm drawn to anything that continues to repeat this pattern of Michael re-employing people only months before that fateful day. That is more than a coincidence.Ultimately, Rowe's book is about AEG and the racism of concert promoters. Weren't we discussing somewhere awhile ago that Murray's role is to expose all these jokers and ensnare them by any means necessary? So, is it farfetched to believe that Mrs. Jackson is helping Michael to do this and it's by design that on one end, she is suing AEG and Joe Jackson is on the other end suing Murray?Then Murray's role is to ensnare everyone that Michael's trying to bring down including AEG and Arnie Klein. What if Michael married Debbie to get the information he needed about Klein the way MJ may have done with LMP to get the information he needed about hoaxes?MJ's song Morphine, is a song to say, I see what you're doing with your demerol, etc.Perhaps MJ learned what Arnie Klein was really about with his drug pushing, he wrote a song about it, and got even more info about him when MJ married Debbie...probably very damaging info...And, what does Back say about Klein and others:"What is relevant is the immense potential for blowback. And i'm not going down alone."11/6/09You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... ost2353379Re: TMZ Live -- Dr. Arnie Klein ... Take Two --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Calm thy nerves.......Arnie IS on the de-KleinHe's desperate and scared sh*tlessBecause he knows it's just a matter of tImE.......Tables are meant to be turned!And lying backstabbers shall reap what they sow.Your so hitting the nail on the head.I have noticed this theme as well and had drawn a conclusion...Mike knows his enemies and lured them with the one thing he KNOWS backstabbers wont turn down and they will do ANYTHING FOR MONEY!Don't let the RIGHT HAND know what the LEFT HAND is doing.Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.The best way to take down your enemy is to infiltrate them and become one of them.Deep Undercover Smooth Criminal 8-)
In another thread I wrote that I'd read Leonard Rowe's book. I was drawn to it, not because Rowe is a laudable figure from what's out there in the press, but because he use to work for Michael, was fired, and then called back to work for him (accordingly to Rowe), a few months before 6/25/09. I'm drawn to anything that continues to repeat this pattern of Michael re-employing people only months before that fateful day. That is more than a coincidence.Ultimately, Rowe's book is about AEG and the racism of concert promoters. Weren't we discussing somewhere awhile ago that Murray's role is to expose all these jokers and ensnare them by any means necessary? So, is it farfetched to believe that Mrs. Jackson is helping Michael to do this and it's by design that on one end, she is suing AEG and Joe Jackson is on the other end suing Murray?Then Murray's role is to ensnare everyone that Michael's trying to bring down including AEG and Arnie Klein. What if Michael married Debbie to get the information he needed about Klein the way MJ may have done with LMP to get the information he needed about hoaxes?MJ's song Morphine, is a song to say, I see what you're doing with your demerol, etc.Perhaps MJ learned what Arnie Klein was really about with his drug pushing, he wrote a song about it, and got even more info about him when MJ married Debbie...probably very damaging info...And, what does Back say about Klein and others:"What is relevant is the immense potential for blowback. And i'm not going down alone."11/6/09You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... ost2353379Re: TMZ Live -- Dr. Arnie Klein ... Take Two --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Calm thy nerves.......Arnie IS on the de-KleinHe's desperate and scared sh*tlessBecause he knows it's just a matter of tImE.......Tables are meant to be turned!And lying backstabbers shall reap what they sow.
TS said: This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times {http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/}? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man?
