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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 06:31:44 PM
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Sinderella,Just wanted to thank you for all the hard work and effort you have put in for all of us in providing the updates and everything..It is really appreciated.♥
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Yes. Thank you, Sinderella. I have to be careful when I read the locked prelim thread because it can be disheartening at times. However, I just remind myself that, in the end, we will all see that this was just a part of the hoax. Michael is still alive and wants us to all "Keep the Faith" and know that "[We] Are Not Alone."

Aww,those are lovely messages to come home too,you're so welcome!!
There is a great combined effort going on from everyone.<3
It is hard BUT be strong and focused.When you read day 4,you will see the mess that is this trial.
Day 4,almost done..and trust,you will LOL when y'all read what this Nicole Alvarez has to say....or not..as it happens.
Swear,if some people had brain cells,they would be dangerous.

Hope you're all having an awesome stress free weekend <3
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 07:01:42 PM
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court transcripts from MJ777 (not official)
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 08:01:07 PM
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court transcripts from MJ777 (not official)/quote]

Now Murray is also psychologist :roll:  :?
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 08:12:01 PM
It still baffles me about the family and the truck that was in the house the day after MJ "passed"

There has been no mention of that yet but what I do not get is if there were all those medications and medical things there why did the family not " clean up" at that time? Does anyone know if they were escorted into the house with the police to preserve eveidence? I found not mention of that.

I still have it in my head after all this time that they may have been there to plant things, not take things out. Is it me or does anyone else think that the amount of drugs found is a little over the top?

There was an awful lot of vials etc in that house. Too much ,,, it seems like overkill ( pardon the pun,,, not intended)

If it was my family member and an incredibly famous family member I am not sure if I could resist the temptation to cover some things up if I was able.
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 09:05:38 PM
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Sinderella,Just wanted to thank you for all the hard work and effort you have put in for all of us in providing the updates and everything..It is really appreciated.♥
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Yes. Thank you, Sinderella. I have to be careful when I read the locked prelim thread because it can be disheartening at times. However, I just remind myself that, in the end, we will all see that this was just a part of the hoax. Michael is still alive and wants us to all "Keep the Faith" and know that "[We] Are Not Alone."

Aww,those are lovely messages to come home too,you're so welcome!!
There is a great combined effort going on from everyone.<3
It is hard BUT be strong and focused.When you read day 4,you will see the mess that is this trial.
Day 4,almost done..and trust,you will LOL when y'all read what this Nicole Alvarez has to say....or not..as it happens.
Swear,if some people had brain cells,they would be dangerous.

Hope you're all having an awesome stress free weekend <3

How completely inconsiderate of me. Let me join the others in thanking you for all of the time you've invested and the trouble you've gone through to provide everyone with this wealth of information!
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 09:29:34 PM
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How completely inconsiderate of me. Let me join the others in thanking you for all of the time you've invested and the trouble you've gone through to provide everyone with this wealth of information!

Inconsiderate of you?I don't expect anyone to thank me.I never started either thread for glory purposes,I started them so the information could be shared by and commented on by everyone.
Not sure if that is how you meant it but it sounds extremley sarcastic and really,there is no need.
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 09:56:15 PM
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How completely inconsiderate of me. Let me join the others in thanking you for all of the time you've invested and the trouble you've gone through to provide everyone with this wealth of information!

Inconsiderate of you?I don't expect anyone to thank me.I never started either thread for glory purposes,I started them so the information could be shared by and commented on by everyone.
Not sure if that is how you meant it but it sounds extremley sarcastic and really,there is no need.

Honestly, I didn't mean for it to sound sarcastic. I sincerely meant to say thank you for all the hard work and for sacrificing the time to put this all into one place. It's very generous of you.
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 10:07:55 PM
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It still baffles me about the family and the truck that was in the house the day after MJ "passed"

There has been no mention of that yet but what I do not get is if there were all those medications and medical things there why did the family not " clean up" at that time? Does anyone know if they were escorted into the house with the police to preserve eveidence? I found not mention of that.

I still have it in my head after all this time that they may have been there to plant things, not take things out. Is it me or does anyone else think that the amount of drugs found is a little over the top?

There was an awful lot of vials etc in that house. Too much ,,, it seems like overkill ( pardon the pun,,, not intended)

If it was my family member and an incredibly famous family member I am not sure if I could resist the temptation to cover some things up if I was able.

The investigators were there before the family.  LaToya got there shortly before midnight.  I find it weird though that not all medications and everything medical was cleaned out until the 29th.  Murray sure didn't do a good job cleaning up, did he?  Vials, needles, bottles all over the place, and a stockpile in the closet.
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 08, 2011, 10:43:44 PM
Ever since the testimony of Faheem Muhammad was made public recently and it seemed like as I read that many people thought that this was new info they never heard of before. Well me too. I never read or saw anything before about Faheem being a witness. This wasn't very high on the media's list to report.

So it bothered me why I hadn't a clue about it. I searched the forum and only two threads came up with the exact same article used. I did a search on the web using these key words:
CONRAD MURRAY INTERRUPTED CPR TO COLLECT DRUGS
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So this supposed testimony was already out there and made public. The wording of supposed testimony from Faheem and Alvarez  is very well rehearsed. It appears that the media is not fact checking. They copied and pasted in March and they are doing it again.

From what I have read on Faheem and Alvarez's testimony it is in so many news stories already written before the pre-lim. The media had access to the testimony before hand? What a mess.

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Michael Jackson Employee: Murray Halted CPR to Stash Drug Bottles
Mon., Mar. 22, 2010 5:50 PM PDT by Natalie Finn


Yikes.

Michael Jackson's private physician, Conrad Murray, was performing CPR on the dying pop star but stopped to gather up various drug vials, according to an account given to investigators by a Jackson employee called to his boss's room while Murray was working on him.

Per court documents released Monday, logistics director Alberto Alvarez told authorities that he went into Jackson's room and witnessed a disturbing scene: Jackson lying there, eyes open but not moving, exhibiting no signs of life, an IV sticking out of his leg.

Murray was frantically trying to resuscitate Jackson, Alvarez said, according to the filing, but didn't tell him to call paramedics until the vials had been stashed away.

As far as the prosecutors who want to convict Murray of manslaughter are concerned, this is damning info, but the doc's attorney is already raring to tear Alvarez's statement to pieces.

"We note that this statement was given more than two months after Michael Jackson's death and is inconsistent with a statement he gave the police the day after Mr. Jackson was taken to the hospital," attorney Edward Chernoff said in a statement to E! News, noting that Alvarez was interviewed twice by police

"Further, his statement does not match up with much of the physical evidence found at the scene. The defense would caution against putting too much emphasis on statements leaked by law enforcement or the district attorney's office. These leaks provided are piecemeal and are timed for effect.

"Since Dr. Murray's next court hearing is scheduled 10 days, we expect more leaks," Chernoff continued. "However, we will not be trying this case in the press. We would ask the public to reserve judgment until after the people's witnesses are placed under oath and subjected to the rigors of cross-examination. We are confident that a fair trial will ferret out the truth."


The medical examiner ultimately ruled Jackson's death a homicide caused by acute propofol intoxication, part of a lethal cocktail of sedatives and other drugs in his system.

Alvarez said that he arrived at the Jackson home for work at 10:30 a.m. and, at 12:17 p.m., got a call from Jackson's personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, telling him that something was wrong with the King of Pop.

When he asked Murray what was wrong, Alvarez said, the doctor told him, "He had a reaction. He had a bad reaction."

At one point, Jackson's two eldest children came into the room and saw what was going on before a nanny ushered them away, Alvarez said.

While Murray was performing CPR when Alvarez got into the room, the employee told investigators that the cardiologist then briefly stopped, grabbed a few rubber-topped drug vials and gave them to Alvarez, telling him to put them in a bag. Alvarez said that he put them in a plastic bag he grabbed off the floor, after which Murray directed him to put that bag in a brown canvas bag.

According to Alvarez's account, Murray then told him to take the IV bag (which, Alvarez said, contained a milky white liquid) and to put that in a blue canvas bag.

A 911 call was made from the Holmby Hills house at 12:21 p.m. on June 25. Jackson was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center at 2:26 p.m.

In the days following Jackson's death, a bag of sedatives, including the milky white propofol, were discovered by investigators, with Murray's direction, in a closet in Jackson's bedroom.

The cardiologist has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter and remains free on $75,000 bail.

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LOS ANGELES – As Michael Jackson lay dying in his bedroom in a rented mansion, his doctor stopped CPR on him and delayed calling paramedics so he could collect drug vials at the scene, according to an employee of the pop star who called 911.

Alberto Alvarez, who worked as Jackson's logistics director, told investigators that after receiving a distress call from another worker June 25, he rushed up the stairs of Jackson's home and entered a bedroom to find the singer lying on a bed with his arms outstretched and his eyes and mouth open.

At his side, Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, was administering CPR with one hand.

"Alberto, Alberto, come quickly," Murray said, according to a statement obtained by The Associated Press. "He had a reaction, he had a bad reaction."

Two of the star's children, Prince and Paris, came in the room and cried as they saw Murray trying to save their father. They were quickly ushered away.

The account and other statements obtained by the AP depict a grisly scene in Jackson's room in the final minutes before paramedics arrived.

Jackson's death at age 50 was ruled a homicide caused by an overdose of the powerful anesthetic propofol and other sedatives.

The possibility that Murray may have tried to hide evidence is likely to be a focus as prosecutors move ahead with their involuntary manslaughter case against him.

Alvarez told police he arrived at Jackson's home around 10:20 a.m. He was awaiting instructions for the day in a security trailer outside Jackson's rented mansion when, at 12:17 p.m., his phone rang. It was Jackson's personal assistant Michael Amir Williams, who said Jackson was in trouble.

Alvarez said he was "frozen and stunned" when he saw Jackson on the bed.

Murray then grabbed a few vials with rubber tops and told Alvarez to put them in a bag, Alvarez told investigators. Alvarez picked up a plastic bag from the floor and Murray put the bottles inside, then Murray told Alvarez to put that plastic bag inside a brown canvas bag, according to the account.

Alvarez said Murray then told him to remove an IV bag from a stand and put it in a blue canvas bag. He did, and noticed the bag had a connector with a milky white substance in it. Alvarez didn't say what happened to the bags, nor did he identify what was in the vials.

Two days after Jackson's death, under several hours of questioning by police, Murray eventually directed them to a closet in Jackson's bedroom. In it, they found propofol and other sedatives in a bag.

Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, rejected the notion his client tried to hide drugs. He also noted Alvarez was interviewed twice by police and gave different accounts of what happened in Jackson's bedroom. During the first interview, Alvarez did not mention being told to tidy away medicine vials.

"He wasn't putting bottles in a bag and trying to hide them," Chernoff said. "We are confident that a fair trial will ferret out the truth."

On the day Jackson died, Murray waited until the bags were filled before telling Alvarez to call 911, according to Alvarez's statement.

The documents also detail an odd encounter with Murray after Jackson was declared dead at a nearby hospital. Murray insisted he needed to return to the mansion to get cream that Jackson had "so the world wouldn't find out about it," according to the statements, which provide no elaboration.

Alvarez and the others who gave the statements, Williams and driver/bodyguard Faheem Muhammad, could be key witnesses should Murray go to trial. Except for the brief appearances by the nanny and the children, Alvarez and Muhammad were the only others in the room with Murray as he tried to save Jackson before paramedics arrived.

Murray, 57, a cardiologist licensed in Nevada, California and Texas, has acknowledged briefly leaving Jackson's bedside the day he died but maintained from the outset that nothing he gave the singer should have killed him. It wasn't illegal for him to administer propofol, though whether he followed proper procedures while Jackson was under the influence is a key part of the case.

California Attorney General Jerry Brown's office has asked a court to suspend Murray's license pending the outcome of criminal proceedings against him.

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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 09, 2011, 12:01:17 AM
I found a couple of interesting videos when working on my YouTube channel:

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Especially the second video, where Michael says he likes to improve on eveyrthing he does.  He is really innovative.  That is what we are all involved in now.  Something really innovative--more innovative than anything Michael has done before now.
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 09, 2011, 05:53:18 AM
Wow, it was great to watch these vids, thanks Fita for sharing.
We should change our way of thinking more the way like Michael does: "If the whole world says no, you say YES"..... Do we need anything else to add? Great and innovative people through history always used their minds just like Michael, they don't focus on what's impossible, but how to make it still happen. Most of us can't think like this, that's why always questioning ourselves all the time despite of all the clues, is there anyone who is able to pull this off?? Well, i guess there is.... ;)
We all had/have ups and downs and during these days we should indeed go on and not forget about what we've experienced so far. Stay strong and believe in your intuition and feelings and the happenings you see with your own eyes.
And Sinderella thanks for your hard work and time, it's highly appreciated and i know you don't do this for getting applause from people, but still thanks!  


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I found a couple of interesting videos when working on my YouTube channel:

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Especially the second video, where Michael says he likes to improve on eveyrthing he does.  He is really innovative.  That is what we are all involved in now.  Something really innovative--more innovative than anything Michael has done before now.
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 09, 2011, 10:55:18 AM
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Honestly, I didn't mean for it to sound sarcastic. I sincerely meant to say thank you for all the hard work and for sacrificing the time to put this all into one place. It's very generous of you.

I apologise,I was tired and it just sounded like you were being funny with me.
You're welcome,and thank you for your contributions to the forum as well =]

In other news....

What do you do when you're up on manslaughter (man's laughter) charges for taking the life of the most famous man in the world,have people testifying against you inc the mother of your child,face years in prison.....
You go hang out and drink coffee in Santa Monica,in public and not give a shit about the dead mans fans possibly attacking you obviously.
This was yesterday


PS. I also spot a can of Coca Cola there....#justsayin
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 09, 2011, 11:28:37 AM
That pic should be shopped or before June 25th 2009  :?
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 09, 2011, 11:32:20 AM
Could this work/be a way out/put an end to this nonsense....possibly...

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DEAL FOR MICHAEL JACKSON DOCTOR
9th January 2011
By Mike Parker and Dominik Lemanski

MICHAEL Jackson’s doctor could walk free from court if he accepts responsibility for the star’s death.
Lawyers believe Conrad Murray is being “pushed towards” admitting his guilt over the singer’s demise.
And he could escape with a suspended sentence if he strikes a plea bargain.
The cardiologist, right, has denied involuntary manslaughter in relation to Jacko’s death.
But he admits supplying him with powerful hospital drug propofol.
The 57-year-old, who was the star’s personal doctor, said Jackson gave himself the overdose that caused his death.
Lawyer Truc Do last night claimed the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office opted for a two-week “full-blown” hearing rather than a “bare bones” two-day version in an attempt to urge Murray to accept a plea bargain.
She said: “They are hoping that an overwhelming display of evidence might push him into considering a plea deal. Hearing all the prosecution evidence in advance of a trial can be a real reality check.”
A string of witnesses have already challenged Dr Murray’s version of events on June 25, 2009, the day Jackson died in his bed in the exclusive Holmby Hills area of Los Angeles, aged 50. Richard Senneff, the first paramedic to see the singer’s lifeless body, said he believed Dr Murray was lying about what drugs the star had taken.
Further expert testimony over the next week during the preliminary hearing is expected to be even more damning, a spokesman for the DA’s Office revealed last night.
Attorney Do said Dr Murray could feel “so overwhelmed” by the end of a second week that he may accept a plea deal rather than face the prospect of being tried before a jury.
If convicted by a jury Dr Murray faces up to four years’ jail, the maximum under California law for involuntary manslaughter.
But if the West Indian-born heart specialist accepts a plea deal he could walk free with a suspended sentence.
This would also please the Jackson family who want to avoid the singer’s eldest child Prince Michael having to go through the trauma of a trial.
But as we exclusively revealed last week, the 13-year-old is likely to be called to testify at the pre-trial hearing in the next few days.
Meanwhile, sources close to the Jackson family said they are becoming increasingly angry at some of the evidence that has been emerging during the court hearing.

Remember it is a trashy tabloid,but it is something to think about.
Also,feel free to complain about the use of 'Jacko' being used frequently when his name is Michael Jackson.
Use it..or don't say anything about him at all.


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That pic should be shopped or before June 25th 2009
It was taken by a fan yesterday,she lives in LA.
Didn't realise it had cut the date/time off...I will get it in full now.
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Re: Official General Prelim Discussion thread
January 09, 2011, 11:40:20 AM
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That should work.
I wouldn't post it if I thought it had been 'shopped or taken pre 2011
I am not down with photoshopped pictures.
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