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My personal feeling is that he wasn't clothed, but then someone put pants on him before leaving the home out of respect for Michael.
The thing that is fishy to me are not the facts surrounding the condom catheter or the incontenace pad, or that he might have been naked from the waist down- i know that all is possible. What I have a problem with is the question another poster brought up, which was ignored. WHO and WHY would anyone take a picture of MJ on the floor? He did not die ( declared dead) in his house. So, there would be no oportunity for evidence pictures. Hence I tend to believe that there are no such pictures. And yes, the parallels to 1992/3 and 2005 are glaring.
Yes, he was fully naked, and so were the other two convicts. Though all forms of public nudity is against Hebrew custom, the perverted Romans seemed to have delighted in it, especially when executing condemned prisoners. Most historians say flogging and beating a convict, then stripping him naked is part of the Roman's procedure before and during crucifixion. Most Catholic crucifix and paintings depict Him wearing a loin cloth because the Vatican deemed it improper to show Jesus' nakedness. It's a rather "sensitive" issue (pun intended).Read more: Was Jesus naked while on the cross? | Answerbag You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness" My personal feeling is that he wasn't clothed, but then someone put pants on him before leaving the home out of respect for Michael.If that is the case, then this would have been reported in the autopsy report. It isn't, as I previously posted Michael is reported as unclothed, with no clothing to examine. This then brings up the issue of identifying him with his driver's license, as the autopsy report indicates because he didn't have it on him, or in his clothes (he was naked) and he was not able to tell anyone where it was (he was supposedly dead). The staff had been dismissed from the house, no reports of family members returning, to the home to get his wallet, prior to the identification of the body etc. And it isn't something that seems to be a priority when an ambulance is taking someone to the hospital, in an effort to save their life, especially when everyone is in a panic.
Quote from: "Kim"I work in a nursing home and there are people who are incontinent, but never naked from the waist! They wear a diaper. There is a difference between an incontinent person needing to wear a diaper because they can't control themselves, and a person having an incontinence pad placed beneath them, or a condom catheter (for a man) being placed on the penis when the person is under anesthesia. IF Michael was really being put under with propofol, he most likely had an incontinence pad placed beneath him, a condom catheter placed on his penis, or both.IF he really needed CPR, and was taken from the bed to the floor, it is quite possible that if he was wearing a condom catheter, it would have slipped off while he was being moved, thereby exposing his penis. With this in mind, a potential photograph taken of him on the floor would most likely have captured his penis along with the rest of his body. And IF there really is a photograph and it was shown in court, then yes his penis would have been shown.EDIT - And since some folks are claiming that Michael was already dead when the paramedics arrived, the prosecution may very well be treating the bedroom as a crime scene.Unfortunately naked photos are shown in court all of the time when a victim is found naked. This is simply the reality of crime scenes. When a woman is raped and murdered, she is almost always found naked, and YES those photos are shown in the courtroom. It isn't disrespectful, but rather necessary, particularly in the actual trial where the prosecution wants to leave a lasting impression on jurors.
I work in a nursing home and there are people who are incontinent, but never naked from the waist! They wear a diaper.
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"Quote from: "Kim"I work in a nursing home and there are people who are incontinent, but never naked from the waist! They wear a diaper. There is a difference between an incontinent person needing to wear a diaper because they can't control themselves, and a person having an incontinence pad placed beneath them, or a condom catheter (for a man) being placed on the penis when the person is under anesthesia. IF Michael was really being put under with propofol, he most likely had an incontinence pad placed beneath him, a condom catheter placed on his penis, or both.IF he really needed CPR, and was taken from the bed to the floor, it is quite possible that if he was wearing a condom catheter, it would have slipped off while he was being moved, thereby exposing his penis. With this in mind, a potential photograph taken of him on the floor would most likely have captured his penis along with the rest of his body. And IF there really is a photograph and it was shown in court, then yes his penis would have been shown.EDIT - And since some folks are claiming that Michael was already dead when the paramedics arrived, the prosecution may very well be treating the bedroom as a crime scene.Unfortunately naked photos are shown in court all of the time when a victim is found naked. This is simply the reality of crime scenes. When a woman is raped and murdered, she is almost always found naked, and YES those photos are shown in the courtroom. It isn't disrespectful, but rather necessary, particularly in the actual trial where the prosecution wants to leave a lasting impression on jurors.You are correct about taking pictures at a crime scene. IF the parmedics or police knew Michael had died in the bedroom, photos would be taken before the body is removed. I had a neighbor who 2 weeks ago hung himself. The police took many photos before the medical examiners office removed the body from the house. the pictures were taken as evidence incase it wasnt a suicide.
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I cant remember, when did the police finally get involved? When was the first time they went to the house? he following day after the family went through the house?