Livestream -- Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim Begins

[Grace]

OMG TMZ are bombarding us with articles today...

will this help prove as it's in (temporary web) print?

[rowdyangel]

Is the Livestream still going on?  All I can see on TMZ now are the update articles.

Yes, but nothing happening on it.  Camera is still outside the court looking at Dr Feidberg MD!!!!

[VeryLittleSusie]

I just wanted to say I'm here with you guys, watching TMZ and listening to u-stream...  

(what are they putting these chairs for??  :shock:  )

[katooooooo]

Is the Livestream still going on?  All I can see on TMZ now are the update articles.

yup i still have it...i didn't refresh...try this?
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[PeaceLoveHappiness]

I've been following CNN and they are bombardng the channels with news of Mac Culkin breaking up with Mila Kunis like it's a huge deal. Almost like the Mac news is to divert our attention away from the MJ news.

Looks like that!

We know there are no koinkidances in this case.
"CNN bombarding the channels"... well, interesting.
They broke up some time ago - so why release the PR statement today?

Mac is a friend to Michael and god-father to Prince who should testify "according to sources".
Mac's half sister died of a drug overdose.

Did Mac have 2 sisters die?  I thought his sister was hit and killed by a car while walking across the street.

[Tarja]

Interesting statement from Brian Oxman on CBS:
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Click under the photo for listening to it.
[attachment=0:1o6qckot]Brian Oxman statement on CBS in mp3.jpg[/attachment:1o6qckot]

I just heared it Grace; I am actually a little in doubt when interpreting this, I mean he says follow the moneytrain and sums up Sony, AEG, The Estate, the children and the family, so I wonder whether I may conclude the money ends up with Michael as well. May I say he IS the end of the chain???Because he is the only one being present, having a part in ALL  these mentioned "organisations/companies", spontaneously I´d think it possibly is a bit far fatched. Which is your opinion?

can you write down what he says? I can't listen to it now, please

[Grace]

Her name was Jennifer Adamson, she was a child from a previous relationship of his father who did not know about her - only after she died.
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[curls]

Is the Livestream still going on?  All I can see on TMZ now are the update articles.

Yes, but nothing happening on it.  Camera is still outside the court looking at Dr Feidberg MD!!!!

I'm obviously not missing much!

Is the Livestream still going on?  All I can see on TMZ now are the update articles.

yup i still have it...i didn't refresh...try this?
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Thanks for that, yes, the link works - shame they couldn't have snuck a camera into the courtroom eh?! Are they going to stay looking at Dr Feidberg all day?!

[Serenitys_Dream]

Did Mac have 2 sisters die?  I thought his sister was hit and killed by a car while walking across the street.

Kit Culkin is the father of Macaulay, Kieran, Rory, Christian, Shane, Quinn Culkin, and Dakota with Patricia Brentrup. Culkin and Brentrup were together for 21 years from 1974–1995, but never married.

On December 9, 2008, Kit's daughter Dakota was struck by a vehicle when she stepped off of a curb. She was taken to UCLA Medical Center where she died of her injuries the following day. Culkin also had another daughter, Jennifer Adamson, from a previous relationship who died in 2000 at age 29 from a drug overdose.
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[m8ighty]

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

If anyone Can record the live stream, plz do because i know there is going to be clues, maybe even in the most boring parts of the stream. This whole thing is very odd..... Live Streaming a preliminary hearing?.... doesnt seem like a normal thing to do to me, if i wrong just let me know. But theirs a cause and reason for everything thats happening and im sure we will catch on to it.

[katooooooo]

Is the Livestream still going on?  All I can see on TMZ now are the update articles.

yup i still have it...i didn't refresh...try this?
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Thanks for that, yes, the link works - shame they couldn't have snuck a camera into the courtroom eh?! Are they going to stay looking at Dr Feidberg all day?![/quote]

lolll why? you don't like the view? :lol:

[Lady J]

I heard that Mel said that MJ was a muslim. Is that right??

[Serenitys_Dream]

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

If anyone Can record the live stream, plz do because i know there is going to be clues, maybe even in the most boring parts of the stream. This whole thing is very odd..... Live Streaming a preliminary hearing?.... doesnt seem like a normal thing to do to me, if i wrong just let me know. But theirs a cause and reason for everything thats happening and im sure we will catch on to it.

The live stream I see, is outside and just on the doctor that has set up his book promotion "set". There is nothing to record. ow they are scanning teh people outdise on the street; an impersonator being interviewed but it has no audio.

[Grace]

More info from inside the court (if true   ):

Courtroom Notes: Inside the Preliminary Hearing of Dr. Conrad Murray

Published January 04, 2011

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Fox News Reporter Sally Arthy was in court today for the preliminary hearing of Michael Jackson’s Doctor Conrad Murray. Here are her notes from inside the courtroom.


There are no definite witnesses in court today
Judge goes through court proceedings regarding photographs etc/comings and goings/cell phones
There is a lottery for public seating each morning

Judge Walden opening statement 0910
7-8 Day hearing
20-30 witnesses
Show Michael Jackson preparing for important tour in U.K.
Major world event also important for MJ career
MJ crew rehearsal at Staples Centre in the evening
Defendant Murray working as personal psychologist, preventative treated
Murray treating MJ at home in Holmby Hills
Murray going late evening-midnight-1am at night and provide care..6 nights a week at MJ home giving Propofol to help MJ sleep for 2 straight months every night
No indication Propofol can be used for sleep aide

TIMELINE:
June 23rd 2009..MJ normal routine to Staples Centre..rehearsal fabulous
June 24 same routine good rehearsal at staples..MJ optimistic
Returns home at 1am June 25th
Murray’s BMW car in driveway according to security
MJ dropped off at home
June 25
1:30am Court learned through evidence that Murray began treatment
2:00am valium pill administered
3:00am Intravenous diazebeem, IV of benzso
5:00am other treatment
7:30am other drugs through IV
10:40-11am infusing with propofol..at some point he ceases to breathe and dies after that
MJ dead before paramedics arrived
Only 2 pepople in room at the time— MJ and Dr. Murray
11:51am call- lasted 11 mins..witness heard noises at other end of phone
Likely Conrad Murray who realized MJ was not breathing.
12:12pm Call by Murray to Michael Emeer Williams, security, saying he needs help..left a message.
12:15pm Williams returns call and Murray says MJ had a bad reaction.
Williams calls another member of security who is not at house.
12:17pm Williams then calls Alberto Alvarez who is in second trailer outside house, checks permission to go in house, goes upstairs to MJ’s bedroom.
He Sees MJ on bed, Murray doing one handed CPR on the soft bed.
Murray reports MJ had a bad reaction and asks Alvarez to collect medical evidence.
Prosecution says Murray has still not called 911 at this point.
12:21pm Alvarez told to get a bag and Murray collects medical bottles, and IV bag etc., as told and only then is he told to call 911.
Possible that Murray waited 20 minutes to call 911...MJ could have been dead before noon.
12:26pm Paramedics treating MJ on site. MJ’s Eyes fixed and dilated and he was cool to touch. He flatlined so heart action taking place. MJ dead...no observation of appropriate equipment for treatment with propofol, according to paramedics.
Asked Murray about underlying medical condition.
Murray asked what drugs he had given...doesn't mention propofol
Prosecutors says this could have been useful.
UCLA medical center advised futher care on MJ useless..they in contact with paramedics.
1:07pm Paramedics transport to UCLA with MJ
1:13pm Arrive in ER room.
Doctors at hospital only asked Murray what he treating MJ for. Mentioned on drug, valium and flomax..no mention of propofol to UCLA doctors.
Doctors still tried to bring MJ to life.
2:26pm Dr. Cooper at UCLA pronounced MJ dead.
Murray had conversation with security personnel at hospital.
Detectives question Murray next day and then learned of propofol.
Autopsy - acute propofol intoxication
Court will hear from medical experts...extreme deviation from expected standard of care...

Key points made by Prosecution:
-Lack of appropriate equipment
-Propofol doesn't help imsomnia
-Cocktail of drugs
-Ineffective CPR
-Failure to call 911 immediately
-Failure to maintain appropriate medical records

End of opening statement from prosecution

No opening statement from defense.

Kenny Ortega called to stand.
Kenneth Ortega states name.
Told to speak in loud voice

Walden starts questions:
Job?
Director and Choreographer in theatrical production
How long?
Chore since 1970’s and director since 1980’s
First meet MJ?
1991
MJ interested in creative partnership and directing tour dangerous world tour which Ortega did.
1991-2009 relationship?
Most of time when rehearsing production..MJ looking to do something at right time when appropriate..most time spent working together.
This is it tour...did u discuss w MJ?
Talks started April 2009...MJ and me co-directed productions.
April interaction from then on with MJ?
3-4 days a week before prod then 4-5 days when rehearsing per week
MJ demeanor?
Called and invited..great about this ...like u to work with me...excited about it...tremendous potential to be creative..MJ shared reasons for wanting to do it.
Reason?
Good time to perform again, his kids appreciate it, for his fans, remind people to take care of planet and each other.
Plans beyond tour
MJ asked about going to India....wanted Ortega to go..MJ asked if Ortega had visited Japan...taking show to these places.
Professionally...MJ post tour?
After tour MJ wanted to help direct with Ortega on motion pictures. MJ liked film making and wanted to dev movie ideas.
Rehearsals prior to June 25...were u at rehearsals at Burbank at start before moved to staples?
Yes...at beginging of May and April.
Transitioned to forum in L.A. in June...then to staples..large scale rehearsals.
Yes
U on staples every day?
Yes
When start staples?
At some point in June moved to staples
Demeanour of MJ at staples...excited?
Yes
General schedual at staples?
Diff call times for crew, dancers, MJ etc
What mj sched?
Late pm
Evening?
Yes
Length?
6 hours max...4 days a week
MJ involved in every creative decision.
Friday June 19 2009...incident at rehearsal...what?
Ortega: at staples..MJ arrived he didn't appear well at all. MJ chilled soft spoken seemed not well...
Did u have concerns?
Absolutely
He wasn't in condition to be at rehearsal..he didn't seem well enough to be there...he didn't rehearse and didn’t want to go home..asked for choreography to do his part and watch from arena..this happened for a while. He just appeared very lost it was scary..it felt scary..said MJ
Asked--would you rather go home..he said would u be ok with that..Ortega said absolutely.
Previously like this?
Meeting next day at MJ home on June 20th.
Did u know what meeting about? No
Who there?
MJ there. Murray there (Ortega asked to i.d. Murray in court)...Frank Deleo MJ manager and Randy Phillips.
What next?
Quickly clear meeting about me that Murray upset I had sent MJ home and not allow to rehearse and voiced my concerns about MJ health..Murray said not my responsibility..to leave MJ’s health to him
Murray scolding towards me...
Response?
Tried to explain..choice made together...MJ in danger and others if went on stage..it was MJ’s choice and I supported it.
Better for all if I focus on show
MJ physically and emotionally fine according to Murray.
Tues June 23 rehearsals resumed. How was this?
Fantastic, MJ in great form..MJ we all knew...
Weds june 24?
Involved active participation in rehearsal...
Discussion at end w MJ...?
2 wonderful days of rehearsing...was feeling good and confident..MJ asked if happy? He said was happy..MJ said he was happy..asked to thank crew for all hard work and talked regarding next days rehearsal..
Practicing illusion..
Said goodnight
Thurs june 25
Learned news of MJ
Had phone call to Staples....
I was on way to rehearsal and Randy going to pick up MJ for rehearsal..Randy said calling for different reason and I am at house for different reason there is ambulance outside
Prosecution finished:
Chernoff cross examine Ortega:
Tour would enhance your reputation?
If dancers etc
If u created show was poor
Would that affect reputation?
It could
Meeting at house..who called meeting?
I don't know.
Why manager there?
Who is Randy Phillips...high up in AEG?
On 19th observed MJ to be chilled. First time MJ came to rehearsal and looked sick?
First time came and looked like he couldn’t perform?
Yes
For most part we were headed to greatness...but MJ sometimes didn't show up..created anxiety for me...difficult to move forward...if not there
Why not present?
Don't know
19 June: anything else observed?
Ortega: seemed to be in state that he wasn’t present...I was troubled by his appearance.

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[ignisaeternus]

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

If anyone Can record the live stream, plz do because i know there is going to be clues, maybe even in the most boring parts of the stream. This whole thing is very odd..... Live Streaming a preliminary hearing?.... doesnt seem like a normal thing to do to me, if i wrong just let me know. But theirs a cause and reason for everything thats happening and im sure we will catch on to it.

And it's even odder that TMZ is sticking with it( they KNOW there is nothing going on outside...or is there?) - So, I agree.
Also, I thought it was remarkable that they kept that ONE camera in that ONE position all that time.  

I have to run out to find lunch- will catch back up later!